I agree with you and would add that a military base is even more reason to have armed guards considering the equipment that can be stolen, the secrets that can be discovered, (troop movements, deployments, troop strength, etc.) also the high concentration of troops in one location, etc etc. I would say when on a military base NCO's and above should be armed while on base, on duty.

Heres what I want to know, wouldn t there be MP s stationed around the base? why is it a local officer was the first responder? And what was she doing on an Army post anyways? I may not know much about how local LEO s deal with military installations, but I figured the local in house guys would deal with this and go from there...can someone explain this for me?

Handome-J,

Most if not all military posts have contracted security forces/Fed LE.

I havnt felt this pissed in a long time
to say the least, but i cant figure out
how a civilian LEO was the one that took
care of him and not........an MP? Were
thay all on break? I wish i knew more
about what went on i just cant bring
myself to take anything from a news
source seriously anymore.

Actually now that i turned my brain of
all the Army bases ive been to have
contractors for security, i dont thing
the Marine bases do, at least not while
i was in.

OPTEMPO has dictated the necessity of contracting Law enforcement on post due to the deployment and training schedules of the MP units. There are still MP Patrols but they are augmented by contracted LE and Fed LE.

MPs rarely pull gate guard anymore and if they do, at least at Carson and Stewart, it's one patrol unit during the latenight/weekend business hours for DUI interdiction and arrest.

The problem with post security is it's a facade. Car has a sticker and theres no APB (you guys still use that term right?), and the driver just shows a driver's license.. he won't be questioned generally. If he is, he just has to say he forgot his ID on post and is going back to get it.

I have tried various things out of curiosity to be questioned. I've shown my meal card when I had one, I've shown an expired drivers license that was old, I've even shown a hotel card key with the magnetic strip facing them so they couldnt see the "call dominos!" advertisement. I only did this during peak hours at the gate. early morning PT.."oops, I'm tired, sorry, heres my ID". Sadly, they never caught it.

When i had a 91 dodge caravan cargo version with no windows in the back, we would pile half the platoon in there and I would show only my ID while everyone hid in the back, etc.

The assumption is if someone is on post, they made it past the gate and are good to go.

the comparisons to the "gun free zones" like schools are right on.

It's all a sham.

Just watch, the only solution the "protectors" will come up to prevent massacre's like this one will be to renew the high cap mag statute.

See document page 29 (PDF page 32) - Nidal Hasan (Uniformed Services University School of Medicine) was on the Homeland Security Policy Institute's Presidential Transition Task Force

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

1+ and then some.

New video of him at store right before Jihadi Major Nidal Malik Hasan went on his suicide attack. It was released on a local news station that his poor job performance was because he was attempting to convert wounded soldiers to Islam when they came back. Thankfully Officer Kim Munley stopped him in his tracks before he killed more..

If this had been a white boy wrapped in a confederate flag yelling "the south will rise again" it would be all over the news as a white supremist terrorist attack. But a muslim screaming "Allah whatever" isn't? Where am I?

If this were the case, would half the dudes posting here just blame the individual and not swear on their PBR that the "moosuhlems" all need to be deported and lump the masses into the actions of an individual?

You're in America, where crazy christians do stupid illegal stuff like blow up federal buildings and murder abortion doctors in church.

Tell me what you really think.
Radical Islamist blows himself up at a Synagogue.
Crazy Christian blows himself up at a Mosque.
Suicidal Jew blows himself up at a Church.

One of these things just doesn't belong here, one of these things just doesn't belong. (singing in my best sesame street voice)

Christians and Jews dont generally commit suicide in the quest of killing those they quarrel with, so, the logic in your example is flawed. However, Christians and Jews are friggin amazing at killing. Not being one who has studied the torah and talmud in any degree outside of the context of the bible as it relates to the new testament...however, you might see some things that are highly similar in the levitical laws to the Quranic laws you despise.

at any rate: for your viewing displeasure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KzmoXvyek

food for thought... halal, kosher, or fish-fry friday. your choice.

It occurred to me today that the worst news has not surfaced yet. My thoughts; In this mans official capacity he dealt with soldiers returning from tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He evaluated said troops mental state. As a matter of course he may have been able to mis-evaluate a soldiers mental state knowingly. He could then declare a severely troubled individual to be fine or a healthy one in need of psycotrophic drugs,and counseling. With his reported efforts to recruit others to Islam, may not he also have told returning troops how horrible their actions had been, and how guilty they had to feel? With a combination of drugs and his counseling a man returning home could really get messed up.
It seems to me the potential harm he could have caused might out weigh what we know him to have done at this point.
I know this is just conjecture on my part but......

Islam's evangelism / prosetlyzing process is as follows

submit to Allah and the teachings of the koran, living under Muslim rule/control/doctrine

or

convert to islam and the teachings of the koran- becoming a muslim

or

DIE -

it is NOT a peaceful religion -
it is NOT a loving religion -


the koran bears this out ; and we are FOOLS for buying in to the crap being peddled by these American muslim groups; who right now are doing damage control , plain and simple

" all muslims are not like this; this was a dispicable act, we condemn this type of behaviour" et al .

inspite of what BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA says we are at war with Muslims

and they are at war with us ;

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read it while you can

First I'd like to say that My prayers go out to the family's of those killed and wounded. It makes me sick to think that this guy is going to be treated like a criminal instead of the fucking terrorist he is.
I would like to be able to have a glimmer of hope that this will cause the Military to wake up on their concealed carry policies on post. I don't know a single American that wouldn't have tried to stop that asshole if they were armed.
I don't know about anyone else but when I hear Muslim I watch that guy, if you get what I mean. Now it looks like the FBI has been investigating him for 6 months. All I have to say is WTF. This is another Terrorist Attack on American Soil, and those in power(if you will) will go out of their way to turn him into a petty criminal case. He did this because he wasn't ok with having to deploy, and fight fellow muslims, but Americans he's ok with killing. Including a Pregnant Woman, God Rest Her Soul. I think it's time to bring back public execution, and show the world we won't stand for this shit.
Let's all Pray for the Families involved, God know's they need it.

My point is that this is terrorism...and they aren't calling it like it is! Lot's of people do stupid shit based on ideaology but I'm talking about this specific situation and how it is being addressed.

But this is terrorism in its purist form = Jihad.

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Yeah it's enough to make me sick. Good thing we're all on the watchlist at DHS right.

Yeah it's enough to make me sick. Good thing we're all on the watchlist at DHS right.

Yep, lets deport every Muslim from American soil or put them in detention camps. Look at all of the benefits we gained by doing that in WWII with the Japanese. Screw the Constitution and the Bill of Rights we can change the rules for dealing with the Moosslims and anyone else of color we don't trust.

I'll just explain to my 2 Muslim friends that they are now a risk to my country and even though they were born here like me it is time for them to go.

For those that think that Jews aren't capable of suicide bombers or violence against Palestinians or Muslims need to read a little bit of Israeli history.

Sad thing is had he been a proclaimed Christian with an "American" sounding name he probably would have been relieved of his job a loooooong time ago. BUT, with as Politically correct as the Gov't/Military has become its "how dare we fire a muslim"? The ACLU would have been all over that court case had the Gov't fired him when they noticed that he was having "issues".

This is the problem: They (people, Gov't, Military) tip-toe around these guys to avoid being called discriminatory. They tip-toe around them so much to the point these guys can get away with almost anything.

I've always said that political correctness will be the down fall of this country. Lets start calling a "spade" a spade, and stop worrying about whose feelings we hurt...... People's lives are at stake!

I don't think that the miltiary should sent someone of any particular religion/culture to go kill people of the same religion/culture. WTF is up with that decision? I would have him doing something less critical to our mission. It's not like there isn;t a lot of B.S. duties and stations in our military.

If anyone has info on PD Sgt. Kimberly Munley in regards to her views on the 2nd amendment or firearms in public hands.
Please send it this way.

I have `journalist`using the women vs guns vs police officer angle, to justify the gun registery in kanada.

I would love to shut her up with facts of Texas and LE perspective on firearm ownership.

Thanks

I knew a mortarman who was Albanian Muslim...he caught shit from his platoon and the Iraqi Army guys he prayed with...he was also quick to pop off in a firefight and even got transferred to HQ platoon for refusing to sign the blanket CIB recommendation because while he earned it, it was not in the firefight cited. He was probably one of the top 10 dudes I ever met for being genuine while in.

People suck, religion aside. Individuals make choices, unfortunately people will find anything to categorize it to make their brains comprehend it. Often at the expense of good sense, as it will play to their own bigotry and affirm the things they think.

Good post cav.

Whether its a good idea or not to send someone of a particular background/religion to go fight against people of similar background/religion makes no difference.

This assclown was a SHRINK, not an Infantry soldier or MP.

Even if he was deployed to a combat zone he probably wouldn't even be issued a damn pistol.

Chances are he would have been sent to one of the monster bases like Anaconda or BIAP and would have maybe heard an explosion or two off in the distance.

This whole talking about him not wanting to run the risk of other muslims is pure bullshit. Use common sense, the only locals he would have seen would have been the ones installing his internet and cleaning the shower and shitter trailers.

I mean, honestly, all that talk is just cover up talk, taking away from the real reasons.

And if I'm wrong and that was truely that douchebag's reason, that he truely thought he'd have to fight, well then, something needs to be said about intelligence levels there.

Why is this incident not being called an act of terrorism? Please help me understand. Is the military afraid to admit it was infiltrated? Not in vogue to speak the truth? Deflection?

His last commander should be held accountable. All the warning signs were there but he chose to sweep his problem under the rug by transferring him to Ft Hood!

I don't think someone should join the military if they are not willing to do what is asked of them?

They are not terrorists anymore. They are "enemy combatants".

I heard the shooter didn't want to deploy and tried to resign his commission, but was denied.

He didn't have to do this shit though.

he could have simply hung a pic on his office wall of himself with his dick in a billygoat's ass. That would have gotten him the desired result, while enjoying one of the pleasures of his culture.

On FOX they reported that he didn't want to deploy because he might have to kill a fellow Muslim. Too bad he didn't feel that way about fellow Americans. I hope he dies a slow death for what he did.

Unfortunatly there are those in the service that would not do what is right because "that would damage his career".

Fuck his career and every other one like him, and those that play political bullshit fucking games to cover for duchebag noload dip-dunk headcase assholes that have no bussiness even wearing the same uniform as those who "get it done"

Hopefully some intern at the hospital will bring Hasan a pork sammich before accidentaly giving him a large dose of drain cleaner.

"Infiltrated" nah. This mother fucker is probobly homegrown, which makes him a TRAITOR.

Should not have been allowed to enlist. The only thing that would stop me from my duty would be a contradiction to my sworn duty to uphold the Constitution...

We had the civil war that pitted brother against brother. We freed slaves gave them the rights of any man. Did the US fuck up some? Sure but the US was also the fastest to protect all races and religions too. I don't think a radical Islamist should have any position in our military period..

As said earlier, this guy is a doctor, a shrink. He wasn't being sent to engage anyone in combat. He would have been in a relatively safe place, doing his doctorly duties.

He's just a cowardly traitor at the end of the day.

He'll get his trial, and be sentenced to death. They should hold him at Gitmo in the meantime.

Guess who paid for this MF to go thru college and get his shrink degree. I just wish the fine lady that shot him after being shot herself had been able to double tap between the eyes. Let the military, CIA have this goat fucker now!

From the day he bombed the federal building it took 7 years to execute McVeigh. We will see how long it takes for this guy to pay for his crimes.

Ask John Allen Muhammad. Today could be his red letter day...

I like the federal system, mcveigh, muhamMUD, all 7 years and bam - they get the needle....no 25 year appeals....

Had this been a proclaimed Christian with an "American" sounding name, religion would not have even been mentioned up as a motivating factor before we learn all the facts about this tragedy.

Witness those "Christian" Fred Phelps crazies who protest at soldiers' funerals, holding signs that say "God is your enemy" (if you don't know these people: http://abcnews.go.com/US/Politics/story?id=1728788&page=1). No one ever thinks they represent mainstream Christian thought or values, or surmises from their protests that the Christian God REALLY wants our soldiers to die because they are evil. We just think of these crackpots as disrespectful, deluded loonies, acting alone on their own mental instabilities, not as spokespeople for Christianity.

To me, this was an unstable guy who cracked, and the system missed the signs -- until evidence appears otherwise, his religion or beliefs have nothing to do with whether he was kept in the service for "political correctness", or his motivations for doing what he did.

Agree. I would extend it further, saying I don't think a radical ANYTHING should have any position in our military.

Unfortunately, I think he was radicalized while IN the military.

I also am wondering one thing, back when the DHS said veterans might be a source of domestic terror, and everyone freaked out about how disrespectful and "America-hating" that statement was... but now this happens, and this Hassan guy happens to be Muslim, some people are worried about radical Muslims "infiltrating" the military and being a potential source of terrorism.

So if the military could be infiltrated by Islamic radicals, don't you think the military might also contain other radical elements? White supremacists, black supremacists, Mexican gangs? So was DHS right after all?

Funny thing Gewgaw, but I was looking over the Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) Presidential Transition Task Force's Proceedings Report of April 2008 - January 2009 titled "Thinking Anew - Security Priorities for the Next Administration," and guess whose name pops up on Page 29 as a participant from the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine?