Theres a member that just registered. I live in IL where FOID cards are required to purchase or possess firearems. This person wanted to do an FTF transaction. They live in chicago, where all guns must be registered, if they are even legal to have in chicago. The person kept pushing to do it FTF. I asked if they had a FOID and suggested to do it through an FFL, but the person completely ignored those questions. Finally admitted to not having a valid FOID, that it expired 2 months ago but they have to have the gun now and they want me to sell to them anyways. They know it was illegal and were trying ot hide the fact that they didn't have the foid. They neighborhood zip code I was given also isnt a very good neighborhood in chicago.

Be careful about this kind of stuff. Would you contact the police btw? This is the reason they are trying to ban private firearm sales in IL.

post that shit so no one else gets burned...

Some aren't as familiar with the laws as others.

Good catch!

SECONDED get that public noone needs or wants this crap here.

+1

Out the bastard!

Notify!

Get this kind of crap gone, and have it known that this is not the place to purport illegal activity.

We all don't need to have that kind of crap shadowing us any more than it already is.

Remember, Allegations are 9/10ths the law.

I would delete the thread and contact the local LE. they may want to follow up on this.

Why would you delete the thread? That statement makes it seem as if there was something to hide.

I agree with everyone else, make it public so that everyone who sees it realizes that this or ANY type of illegal activity is NOT condoned on Sniper's Hide. I would also go as far as to name the member who wanted to buy the firearm outside the parameters of the law.

because LE may want to see if the buyer would actually purchase the gun illegally.

After all that, I am all for making it public.

By making it public do you mean to post the PM convo?

How do i do that?

Chicago law enforcement "follow up" on this? Yea, they'd probably arrest Tome, then the guy who tried to buy would sue for discrimination (against illegal activity) or something.

Chicago is almost as corrupt as New Orleans. (Almost.)


Post the PM exchange, no hiding from that.

And don't sell him the gun!

Copy and paste.

Post a link to the sale thread, post the PM's and contact the authorities - not necessarily in that order but do all three.

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hi, do you still have the rifle? im in il also

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#1437773 - Wed Oct 28 2009 05:09 AM Re: gap,
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Hello,

I still have it... like 5 people have said they were interested and they'd take it and they're not wasting my time... and backed out at the last minute. Its getting annoying..

But I still have it, feel free to email me with any questions.

Tom.sziler@gmail.com


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#1437774 - Wed Oct 28 2009 05:09 AM Re: gap,
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Hello,

I still have it... like 5 people have said they were interested and they'd take it and they're not wasting my time... and backed out at the last minute. Its getting annoying..

But I still have it, feel free to email me with any questions.

Tom.sziler@gmail.com


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#1439980 - Wed Oct 28 2009 10:10 PM Re: gap,
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id like to buy it cash and ftf ,, if you can lower your price,

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#1440157 - Thu Oct 29 2009 05:51 AM Re: gap,
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Hi,

Where in Il are you?

I could drop the price to $3000 since there is no shipping packing, etc to deal with.

I could do ftf, but I'd feel better if we did it thru an FFL. Theres one by where I work that does transfers for $35. If not, I'm sure we could work something out FTF, provided you have a valid FOID card, etc.

Let me know what you'd like to do. The gun is ready to go as soon as you are.

Thanks,

Tom S.

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#1447931 - Mon Nov 02 2009 12:00 AM Re: gap,
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hi, sorry for the late reply, just got back from ohio, im at hardwood drive 60634, do you haVE A phone number? hope your gap rifle shoots nice with factory ammo... reguards,, jason

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#1448066 - Mon Nov 02 2009 06:08 AM Re: gap,
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Loc: Chicago Suburbs, IL
Hey,

I've never used factory ammo, but its guaranteed 3/8" moa with factory ammo, so I wouldnt think that will be a problem

If you need to contact me, my cell is 708-341-xxxx. If I dont answer just leave a message and I'll get back to you asap.

Thanks,

Tom

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#1452968 - Today at 04:35 AM Re: gap,
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Loc: Chicago Suburbs, IL
Hey Jason,

Any updates?

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#1453089 - Today at 07:11 AM Re: gap,
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yes good am, the money is ready allready, as ageed 3k, where do you like me to meet you, im at 60634, and can you pm me the full specs that you will include with the rifle? bipod case etc...?

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#1453244 - Today at 09:03 AM Re: gap,
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Best way I'd say is through an FFL. I have one that I use in Oak Lawn. I'll take care of the fees, and all you have to do is fill out the paperwork. I'd have to call him to see when he is available to do the transfer.

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#1453355 - Today at 10:17 AM Re: gap,
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With the gun will come the hard case and the scope rings.. no bipod or anything.

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#1453480 - Today at 11:34 AM Re: gap,
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ok, ill take it.. where can we make the ftf deal, m at 60634

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#1453512 - Today at 11:53 AM Re: gap,
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Well I was looking to do this through an FFL. It is not a gun store, just a private individual who has an FFL, and does transfers officially and legally for a small fee, which I will pay.

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#1453584 - Today at 12:36 PM Re: gap,
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ok, my foid card just expired, 2 months ago, called the station and respond me that i can have it by 1st week of feb. because of the backlog, but i cant wait to have the gap rifle, can you make an deed of sale and ill have it sign when we see each other, and ill give you a copy of my drivers lic card... reguards , Jason

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#1453593 - Today at 12:39 PM Re: gap,
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I'm pretty sure its not legal for me to transfer a firearm to someone without a valid foid, especially in chicago.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000

(just wanted to use a "chicago style" number)

Well I see your point but I don't think that this is the place to start conducting "buy/bust" operations. I think that by making it clear that this type of activity will not be tolerated on here or other reputable gun sites it sends out a strong message to the general public that for the most part gun owners are law abiding citizens.

Kudos to Toome for bringing this to light and doing the right thing.

I would only do an FFL sale in the first place. It will always make a safe transaction for you.

I agree to that. I have only done ftf/foid transactions with close friends and family.

Dude New Orleans ain't a patch on Chicago's behind with regards to corruption.

Tome, you did the right thing and protected your FOID. The other person has yet to commit a crime. The IL FOID Act states that a person has to buy, sell, or transfer without a FOID. Attempting to buy with an expired FOID will get him nothing. If the FOID has been suspended/revoked then it may be another story.

I had a guy a few years back that offered me like 2-300 more than my asking price if I shipped a gun straight to him skipping the FFL!!! I told him to keep his damn money.

Maybe that was one of Bloomberg's cronies.

That's the first thing I thought as well.

are you kidding me???

I got this today...

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archielao Online content
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is there any way i can buy your rifle, called the foid station, and told me that i can have it on january, what if you declare your rifle lost, and ill buy it after, pls pls help...

Some ones fishing !!

Don't get caught !!

Its not even about getting caught. Doing something like this would never even cross my mind!

Its the fact that this person knows what he is doing is illegal, and is blatantly trying to push the issue and buy the rifle anyways, and trying to get me to participate!

Absolutely not!

Something is definately way fishy about that guy.

Maybe a setup by ATF or FBI....hmmmm

Not worth it, just not worth it.

Un-f*cking-believable......
FFL or no deal. I live in a free state and if anything feels odd at all I go FFL or not at all. Even with folks that seem GTG I want a signed receipt with DL/CCW permit number attached.

Here's a twist, for sure.

Say yes.

Agree to meet him.

(bring friends)

Make a citizens arrest, and press charges and whatnot. Be sure to help him up, and prevent him from falling down the stairs again, for the 37th time.



Yes, the above was all sarcasm and satire, but really. As a group here, of law abiding citizens, I urge all to do what you can to prevent anything like the AlGoritis creation of the 'website-loophole' and more stuff we don't need.

Tom, I don't think you're doing anything wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, the seller always has the option to tell the potential buyer to F--- off (tactfully) if the transaction doesn't feel right. As a potential buyer, the same also holds true.

The interweb provides a lot of anonymity, but that's no excuse for illegal or ungentlemanly behavior.

Tell him to quit wasting your time. Do the transfer at the FFL or GTFO

Secondly whats a FOID card???

I'm not from the state of Illinois but when I was there on a road trip, I tried to purchase some ammo at a Walmart in Peru, Illinois, the clerk refused to sell due to the fact that I didn't have one of the FOID thinga-ma-jigs. Even though, I presented him with my LEO ID card which is good anywhere else, it wasn't good in Illinois.

Needless to say, I had to travel into Nebraska in order to make my purchase where they didn't even ask for a driver's license.

Its a stupid card that only Illinois out of all 50 states uses, as far as I remember...

Firearm Ownders ID..

Considering no other state uses it and it works out just fine, I'd say its not really that necessary... But in this case I guess it worked out for me.

If, and only IF, that offer of a "deed of sale" document is to get legal title but NOT possession, so he can spend the money and have rights to the rifle once he gets the FOID fascism thing taken care of, then it would most likely be okay.

Not sure how many buyers would really want to give up the money now and take possession of it later (other than buying custom rifles...I'll resist posting links to THOSE threads), or how many sellers would want to have the moral burden of having the goods AND the money for several months.

Who bears the risk of loss between payment and delivery, and/or who is responsible to carry appropriate insurance, are issues that are best put in writing and signed by all parties.

Anything other than the *possibility* mentioned here is a big, big, RUN!!!!

"Dude New Orleans ain't a patch on Chicago's behind with regards to corruption."

I second that

He is not on this board anymore.

New Joisey uses the same type of card !

Another Fucktard place !

Regards,

Steve

By not getting caught I meant not getting caught in a trap.

Not to be the voice of dissention here but are yall REALLY getting all vigalante about something thats not illegal IN THE OTHER 49 STATES!??

So, if I understand correctly, the guy wants to do a FTF purchase, which is 'illegal' in IL. But if you stepped across the street (in any direction) to Missouri or Indiana, youre GTG. And you wanna arrest the guy, do buy-bust stings, etc?? Riiiiight...

Im glad I live in Texas.

Just curious, but how many of you guys have ALL your guns on some form of Government record? Dont answer that...

An IL resident is not "good to go" if he leaves the state to do a firearm transfer. He is still bound by state law, which requires a FOID even from an out of state FFL, and yes, we have to abide by the laws of our home state as well as those of the purchaser's state. The sale is also bound by Federal law, which prohibits private sales of firearms across state lines.

Personally I think IL's FOID law is bravo sierra, but until it is either repealed by the legislature or overturned in the courts, I have to follow it.

+1 I don't see how some of you all tolerate such anti 2nd amendment states

yeah....all them FOID cards really helped this past summer on the south side of sickcago

As far as I know, FTF transfer of a Long gun is not illegal in IL, as long as the buyer has a valid FOID card. It is a restriction on IL residents, and those who would associate with them. A resident of an adjoining state is generally not prohibited from purchasing a long gun; but IL law, should an IL resident try to purchase a LG (or even ammunition) in IN, for example, the IL buyer must have a valid FOID card.

An IL resident without a valid FOID can not possess any firearm, or ammunition, anywhere, anytime, without violating their state's laws (note lower case...). Furthermore, anyone, anywhere, who allows an IL resident without a valid FOID to possess any firearm or amunition is also guilty of violating said firearms-related law (say "goodbye" to your 2nd, too).


"By not getting caught I meant not getting caught in a trap." - My first thought....

Cheers,

Bill

I like the way you think.

OK I just sold my rifle to someone from NY that has 0 post and have never heard of having to have a permit to buy a firearm. I will be sending it to an FFL from my FFL once the check clears.........here is what he sent me:

Oh, and there's no need to rush boxing/sending out the rifle on your end. As you probably noted from my address, there is a lot of BS on my end to properly transfer it here. I'm still waiting on my rifle permit (yeah, I know), so if you'd like, you can actually hold onto it for a while and I'll let you know when it's all clear to transfer via FFLs.

By the way, what's your FFL's contact info? My FFL will have to fax them their license.



He later stated that he may just have me send it to GAP so they can install the scope. Does this sound ok or does it look a little fishy. What happens if he is denied his permit would I have to refund his money. Just looking for advice as if this is not good I will just send the check back and not sell him the rifle? Thanks for any advice you may give.

Shawn,I would call his FFL and see what it takes in NY to get a permit to buy a firearm. I would ask the FFL if the rifle you sold him is leagal for him to own. If it takes 6 months to get a permit would the FFL hold it for the buyer? Or dose he need the permit first before buying the rifle? Ask the buyer if his permit is denied will he be asking for a refund? I would only send the rifle FFL to FFL. I would not send it to GAP first.