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Mrgunsngear and other youtube idiots

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Just saw his newest video pop up that “all 22lr ammo will be gone”. There has been zero mass purchases here of 22 ammo but idiots like this creating panic where no panic exists are ruining this sport. All just to make $$ on clicks and subs. I will not only be boycotting viewing his videos, I will also not do business with any of his sponsors.

sorry rant over.
 
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redhooker said:
Just saw his newest video pop up that “all 22lr ammo will be gone”. There has been zero mass purchases here of 22 ammo but idiots like this creating panic where no panic exists are ruining this sport. All just to make $$ on clicks and subs. I will not only be boycotting viewing his videos, I will also not do business with any of his sponsors.

sorry rant over.
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Yes, same in my area of Texas. There is currently .22 ammo everywhere. It may dry up eventually now that all other ammo is gone but who knows.
 
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I didn’t care for him before but this tipped me over the edge. There was TONS of 22 at my local big boxes Friday, none of the initial personal defense panic cared about 22. Now we are on a domino to a full ammo panic. Hopefully people can resist this but I doubt it.
 
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I know that I have been to 3 different academy stores and they have been out of everything. But my local gun shop has plenty of ammo in every caliber.... Don't think there is any reason to panic!
 
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As for .22LR ... just checked Ammoseek, looks like there is still plenty from online sources, running now around 4.5 cents a round. I'm not sure how much is "enough" of .22LR. I've got two .50 cal GI ammo cans filled to the brim with the stuff. I think that's around 10,000 rounds or so. I still have not even shot my new Ruger Mark IV Huntsman and I bought it nearly two years ago! Geesh. Time to get it out I suppose. The trusty old Ruger 10/22 has not been used for a very long time either
 
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I look seriously askance at those that attempt to make their living or a significant portion of it from posting youtube videos casting themselves as authorities of any sort on any topic. The very few youtube stars that know what they're talking about enough to not receive such looks are identified by their failure to make promotional statements in favor of any sponsor. Instead the people that know what they're talking about seem to rely on donations from individuals via Patreon rather than ad or product-sponsorship dollars. Yes, I'm judgemental. Yes, they deserve it.
 
Patreon is systematically fighting pro-gun/conservative people. There's a constant switch going on. New services pop up and everyone moves there... then they be anti-gun, so everyone looks for a new one.

Tech businesses are very disappointing to me.
 
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Patreon is systematically fighting pro-gun/conservative people. There's a constant switch going on. New services pop up and everyone moves there... then they be anti-gun, so everyone looks for a new one.

Tech businesses are very disappointing to me.
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It's cultural anymore in the high tech industry. I won't even work for farcebook or twatter or scroogle or a host of other outwardly totalitarian/prog-lib outfits regardless of how much they offer (and they have) because they're outwardly prog-lib and because they're outwardly prog-lib they make bad business decisions like alienating millions of legitimate, legal, paying customers. A lot of us conservative high tech sorts have started to move toward other companies, especially companies in the defense and industrial sectors where company memos don't spend their time bashing us or our views but focus on the real mission of the organization. It's causing a great rift in the job market because prog-libs, while often technically savvy and creative as hell, are hyper-prone to making strategic decisions that are catastrophically bad since they rule with their politics instead of their desire to have a successful business. So if a company is stuffed full of prog-libs and a conservative or just non-prog-lib tries to join, they'll be circular filed without any true consideration (seen it a number of times). I moved out of the purpled haired world of deformed earlobes and patchouli stank for a life in the defense industrial sector. It is bliss. There's still prog-libs but in small numbers and their vapid inability to think clearly leaves them languishing at the lower levels of individual contributor or being pushed right out while the rest of us set direction and execute.
 
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I moved out of the purpled haired world of deformed earlobes and patchouli stank for a life in the defense industrial sector. It is bliss. There's still prog-libs but in small numbers and their vapid inability to think clearly leaves them languishing at the lower levels of individual contributor or being pushed right out while the rest of us set direction and execute.
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That made me smile larger as I read through it. It's comforting to know that I'm not the only one that sees flat brim hats, colored hair, giant things stuffed into their ears, and piercings everywhere and sees someone mentally ill.
 
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For reasons like this is why I always keep at least one unused case of 22LR on hand. I also have 3 cases of 7.62x39 on hand for those "just in case scenarios". As the old saying goes, better to have and not need than need and not have.
 
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I have been selling and tradeinf ammo, I stocked up good years ago. Decided to consolidate and sell off unused calibers while the demand is there.

Not gouging by any means, my local dealer gave me parts I needed and a nice discount on a new gun in trade, and flipped it all for a nice profit on his end.
 
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I have at least 50,000rnds of rimfire ammo... with the cheapest being CCI subsonic HP's. I think I have around 20,000rnds of that. The rest is center-x or better. Though I will need to buy at least 4-5 cases of center-x/midas+/xact to see me through the summer.
 
I can't stand watching that guy anyways.


My 597 loves eley match, but shoots the target 90% as good for half the price. Apparently the $5/50 was close enough to cheap all the target was gone. Still plenty of match left so I guess I'll be buying $100 bricks for a bit.
 
I can't see where this is any youtuber's fault. To use a quote from the movie MIB - "People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

I also agree with Mrgunsngear - 22 rimfire will be the last type of ammunition manufacturers bring back into production - it's just a business decision.

The LGS rec'd 48 new Glocks last Tuesday - with the exception of a G20 & a G34, they were all sold by Thursday. Ammo sales went just as high - either from the new buyers, or people not wanting to be left behind again. All of the AR's are gone, all of the home protection size shotguns are gone. (but you can have your pick of bolt action hunting rifles - they are still on the wall)

Many of the people that came into the LGS were people that had never wanted to own a gun before that day. They are afraid of what they hear and see on the news.

When police depts. say they will not respond to many common crimes, people are realizing (maybe for the first time in their lives) that they are responsible for their own protection and the protection of their family.

I'm sorry people are panic buying, but it is not surprising.

Stay safe,
Bob S.
 
I haven’t watched him since he was advocating for calling authorities when someone made a video of themselves cutting up an AR. His angle was “they made an SBR when they cut the barrel.”

This was very bad for several reasons:

1: there’s no mens rea

2: authorities ain’t gonna waste time

3: and most importantly, you’ll give the person who had mass reports filed a pedestal. All of a sudden their voice will be heard when it would have otherwise just disappeared.


Along with most anytime he attempts to make a legal analyzation, it’s almost always flawed.
 
Most You tube gun related videos are just ridiculous, incorrect info, accuracy claims that are obviously wrong, gunsmithing tips that are dangerous, etc. As far as 22 ammo shortage I shoot nothing cheaper than SK std+, on a rare occassion I will use CCI SV, so no worries there
 
Be careful who you watch on YouTube...... That guys a paid shill here's proof. And Garand Thumb, IV888 all of them are.

https://www.leviathantribe.com

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Be careful who you watch on YouTube...... That guys a paid shill here's proof. And Garand Thumb, IV888 all of them are.

https://www.leviathantribe.com
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I fail to see how that's "proof" that any of them are "paid shills" as you referred to them. It seems to me that Leviathan Tribe is just a marketing agency for outdoors/tactical/2A people on social media which, if anything, means they're probably paying the agency to get their content out there. Be it that the definition of a "shill" is "an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others", then the only thing I can see any of them being a "shill" for is the 2nd Amendment and shooting sports which isn't a bad thing in my eyes.

I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me.
 
Maverick3009 said:
I fail to see how that's "proof" that any of them are "paid shills" as you referred to them. It seems to me that Leviathan Tribe is just a marketing agency for outdoors/tactical/2A people on social media which, if anything, means they're probably paying the agency to get their content out there. Be it that the definition of a "shill" is "an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others", then the only thing I can see any of them being a "shill" for is the 2nd Amendment and shooting sports which isn't a bad thing in my eyes.

I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me.
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Then what exactly do you think they mean by this;

"Select influencers based on your market strategy to target the right audiences. Your next influencer marketing campaign will be managed by our highly skilled influencer experts."

Or this;

"We provide multiple ways to work with the channel you choose to represent you, your brand, and your product. Choose from fifty plus Leviathan influencers and creators to start your social media campaign."
 
roamin said:
Then what exactly do you think they mean by this;

"Select influencers based on your market strategy to target the right audiences. Your next influencer marketing campaign will be managed by our highly skilled influencer experts."

Or this;

"We provide multiple ways to work with the channel you choose to represent you, your brand, and your product. Choose from fifty plus Leviathan influencers and creators to start your social media campaign."
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To ME, it sounds like they're allowing potential clients to choose social media influencers that're already established in whichever realm they are trying to get into, I don't know, I'm not an influencer nor a marketing agent. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm sure there's a lot of those people that we don't know about behind the scenes, but I'm also not saying you're right either.
 
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Not sure about any of the above but I am 100% sure there is 0% bulk rimfire ammo anywhere near me now. And the cheap stuff is double what it was 2 mos ago here if u can find any. I think Ray Charles could've seen that coming
 
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Not sure about any of the above but I am 100% sure there is 0% bulk rimfire ammo anywhere near me now. And the cheap stuff is double what it was 2 mos ago here if u can find any. I think Ray Charles could've seen that coming
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About 2 or 3 weeks ago I bought a half case of SK Standard+ for my match rifle from Good Shooting Inc.
 
roamin said:
Then what exactly do you think they mean by this;

"Select influencers based on your market strategy to target the right audiences. Your next influencer marketing campaign will be managed by our highly skilled influencer experts."

Or this;

"We provide multiple ways to work with the channel you choose to represent you, your brand, and your product. Choose from fifty plus Leviathan influencers and creators to start your social media campaign."
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I watch a couple of those guys. All are very open about when a company sends them something. For example. MAC says federal sends them all the ammo for their videos. he probably says nice things about their ammo. Does that make him a shill? No I don’t think so.

God forbid these guys that created a successful platform that reaches millions of people try and make a little money for doing these videos that take hours to film, produce, and edit.

go be a troll somewhere else
 
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I watch a couple of those guys. All are very open about when a company sends them something. For example. MAC says federal sends them all the ammo for their videos. he probably says nice things about their ammo. Does that make him a shill? No I don’t think so.

God forbid these guys that created a successful platform that reaches millions of people try and make a little money for doing these videos that take hours to film, produce, and edit.

go be a troll somewhere else
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I don’t see it as trolling at all. The website seems to lead one to believe you can contact the agency and pay them to have one of these influencers push their product.

Generally speaking, these reviewers will always be a bit biased. As they can’t give a bad review or word will get around to other companies and they won’t be requested any longer. They could refuse to publish a review if they don’t like the product after testing it. But that may also end up in less business in the future. That’s all going to be based on the individual’s ethics. It’s very common for money to compromise ethics.

This is far different than “they gave me ammo” or “they let me keep the optic.”If they are being straight up paid, then there is even more potential for a biased review.

This is a huge reason the only time you will see a bad review is if it’s done by someone who gets absolutely nothing out of it, or if it’s just totally junk.

You’ll almost never see a bad review of a product form a large or reputable company, as that’s a sure way to not receive anymore incentives.

Bottom line, 90% of reviews are heavily biased in regards that it will definitely be a positive review.
 
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^^^^^^^what he said.

That’s actually well-said and makes tons of sense. I’ve always thought along those lines but that’s a good way to lay it out.

Find online reviewers you enjoy, put on your bias filter, voraciously scour The Hide for guys who know what they’re talking about, and try to figger out the truth.
 
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^^^^^^^what he said.

That’s actually well-said and makes tons of sense. I’ve always thought along those lines but that’s a good way to lay it out.

Find online reviewers you enjoy, put on your bias filter, voraciously scour The Hide for guys who know what they’re talking about, and try to figger out the truth.
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It’s also a good idea to look into what guys where using/speaking well about before they were affiliated with something.

There’s a few products I’ve raved about in the past, because I genuinely like them. Now I have working relationships with those companies because they appreciated my support and also want opinions on things based on mine or others experience. So, I’ll obviously be a bit biased as that’s human nature......but I’m only in the situation because I originally had an unbiased appreciation for the product.

So, when I see something like that, I still find value in the information. When it’s someone who bounces around from manufacturer to manufacturer or does reviews on random things all the time, I’m a bit more skeptical.
 
Just like the television, sometimes you have to dig through a lot of crap to find the corn.
 
Dthomas3523 said:
I don’t see it as trolling at all. The website seems to lead one to believe you can contact the agency and pay them to have one of these influencers push their product.

Generally speaking, these reviewers will always be a bit biased. As they can’t give a bad review or word will get around to other companies and they won’t be requested any longer. They could refuse to publish a review if they don’t like the product after testing it. But that may also end up in less business in the future. That’s all going to be based on the individual’s ethics. It’s very common for money to compromise ethics.

This is far different than “they gave me ammo” or “they let me keep the optic.”If they are being straight up paid, then there is even more potential for a biased review.

This is a huge reason the only time you will see a bad review is if it’s done by someone who gets absolutely nothing out of it, or if it’s just totally junk.

You’ll almost never see a bad review of a product form a large or reputable company, as that’s a sure way to not receive anymore incentives.

Bottom line, 90% of reviews are heavily biased in regards that it will definitely be a positive review.
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i don’t watch everyone on that list, but have watched a bunch from a handful of them. To say that they are shills and you shouldnt watch them, I dont think is warranted. Any body that ever does reviews is going to be called a shill by someone. I’ve seen Those guys each say negative things about a company and be open about it. For example, I’ll use MAC again, got a PSA AKV and had problems with it. Posted the video, PSA made a correction to the entire platform. Got new gun, didn’t have problems, said positive things about it. So is he still a PSA shill?

yes I do agree that if somebody is being paid for an review they are going to have a positive spin on it. Do I think most of those guys sell out completely and won’t say something negative about a product of their is an actual problem? I don’t think so. I also don’t see these guys reviewing the low end stuff and saying good things about it, shilling Chinese junk. Usually with high end products, their aren’t many problems to begin with, so the review becomes more of a show how it works.
 
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i don’t watch everyone on that list, but have watched a bunch from a handful of them. To say that they are shills and you shouldnt watch them, I dont think is warranted. Any body that ever does reviews is going to be called a shill by someone. I’ve seen Those guys each say negative things about a company and be open about it. For example, I’ll use MAC again, got a PSA AKV and had problems with it. Posted the video, PSA made a correction to the entire platform. Got new gun, didn’t have problems, said positive things about it. So is he still a PSA shill?

yes I do agree that if somebody is being paid for an review they are going to have a positive spin on it. Do I think most of those guys sell out completely and won’t say something negative about a product of their is an actual problem? I don’t think so. I also don’t see these guys reviewing the low end stuff and saying good things about it, shilling Chinese junk. Usually with high end products, their aren’t many problems to begin with, so the review becomes more of a show how it works.
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Well put, MAC has been notoriously critical of numerous firearms platforms to the point that I've seen people avoid watching him cause they think he's just going to shit on whatever he's reviewing, the "first gen" Sig P365 and the FN509 Tactical come to mind. (He didn't "dislike" the 509 but he had a lot of issues with the included recoil spring that was to be used will running suppressed).
 
Maverick3009 said:
To ME, it sounds like they're allowing potential clients to choose social media influencers that're already established in whichever realm they are trying to get into, I don't know, I'm not an influencer nor a marketing agent. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm sure there's a lot of those people that we don't know about behind the scenes, but I'm also not saying you're right either.
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Looks like a smoking gun to me. They're allowing manufacturers of guns and gear to choose social media influencers to create marketing content including YouTube videos on their behalf for the purpose of advertising/marketing. They even mention the client will own the rights to such content. That's shilling this is cut and dry. Do you work for Leviathan?
 
roamin said:
Looks like a smoking gun to me. They're allowing manufacturers of guns and gear to choose social media influencers to create marketing content including YouTube videos on their behalf for the purpose of advertising/marketing. They even mention the client will own the rights to such content. That's shilling this is cut and dry. Do you work for Leviathan?
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Fuck! You figured me out, my cover is blown! I could've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that dog and those mettling kids!!!!!!!!
 
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I watch a couple of those guys. All are very open about when a company sends them something. For example. MAC says federal sends them all the ammo for their videos. he probably says nice things about their ammo. Does that make him a shill? No I don’t think so.

God forbid these guys that created a successful platform that reaches millions of people try and make a little money for doing these videos that take hours to film, produce, and edit.

go be a troll somewhere else
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And does he tell you he works for a social media advertising company who gets paid to create advertising content featuring their clients products? Howbout IV888 who works for Leviathan as well?

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Fuck! You figured me out, my cover is blown! I could've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that dog and those mettling kids!!!!!!!!
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Well these guys are shills plain as day there's no denying this if you've poked around on Leviathan's website for more a minute there should be zero doubt so how you're questioning this is beyond me.
 
Wow a whole $250 discount to keep the gun!

roamin said:
Well these guys are shills plain as day there's no denying this if you've poked around on Leviathan's website for more a minute there should be zero doubt so how you're questioning this is beyond me.
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From Leviathan's website:

Code: 
Colion Noir

Military Arms Channel

IV8888

TwangNBang

Richard King

FourGuysGuns

.22 Plinkster

Hank Strange

Rated Red

Demolition Ranch

Breach Bang Clear

Full 30

Instructor Zero

Daniel Shaw

Doug Marcaida

Billy Birdzall

Chris Cerino

Hickok45

Mr Guns and Gear

Media Lodge

Polenar Tactical

Zero7One

Michael Rooker

Recoil Mag

Off Grid

Ballistic
 
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Wow a whole $250 discount to keep the gun!


From Leviathan's website:

Code: 
Colion Noir

Military Arms Channel

IV8888

TwangNBang

Richard King

FourGuysGuns

.22 Plinkster

Hank Strange

Rated Red

Demolition Ranch

Breach Bang Clear

Full 30

Instructor Zero

Daniel Shaw

Doug Marcaida

Billy Birdzall

Chris Cerino

Hickok45

Mr Guns and Gear

Media Lodge

Polenar Tactical

Zero7One

Michael Rooker

Recoil Mag

Off Grid

Ballistic
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Listed on Leviathan's website there's also;

Sootch00
Garand Thumb
Jerry Miculek
Kentucky Ballistics
Texas Plinking
Talon Sei
VSO gun channel
James Yeager
Tibosourous Rex
Big Daddy Hoffman 1911
13C gun reviews
Fit n fire
 
roamin said:
Well these guys are shills plain as day there's no denying this if you've poked around on Leviathan's website for more a minute there should be zero doubt so how you're questioning this is beyond me.
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Hey Don Quixote, we don't give a fuck about your stupid crusade. The windmills are over there -->

Don't forget Sancho Panza, his donkey's kinda slow.
 
Never would have thought that hiring a marketing company would make you a shill. The cool thing about YT is that they aren’t providing you with a physical product, so you don’t have to worry about burning your Nike slippers or cancelling your season tickets. You just hit “do not recommend this channel” or block them and boom, done. One less viewer. Once viewership goes away, the business shuts down or remodels. 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
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I’m sure most people did not know they were reviews paid for by the manufacturers. I’m not saying they’re liars, but if they’re professional marketers making a commercial, and not just guys who are making videos about their hobby it’s not the same.

Why not a logo with a “sponsored by...”? I think that would make it honest. I get why people think it doesn’t pass the smell test.

I will still watch cool shit in a commercial. I don’t think they would loose viewers by being honest. They will loose them by being deceptive though...
 
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Never would have thought that hiring a marketing company would make you a shill. The cool thing about YT is that they aren’t providing you with a physical product, so you don’t have to worry about burning your Nike slippers or cancelling your season tickets. You just hit “do not recommend this channel” or block them and boom, done. One less viewer. Once viewership goes away, the business shuts down or remodels. 🤷🏻‍♀️
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You didn't look over the information posted.
 
So, what’s the difference in this and an athlete being paid by Nike?

I don’t take the paid athlete seriously and I wouldn’t take guys paid by a company to push their product on social media. At least I wouldn’t trust it to not be biased.

The marketing scheme here is it’s called a “review” and not an endorsement.
 
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