Gun looks good! What is the difference between the .308 Win chamber and the KAC II chamber? Good to know on the gas port. If it doesn't need to be done, all the better.FYI that is not a Stainless barrel.
The ECC and ECR (and M110 etc) barrels are 4150 Ord steel 5R cut rifled.
The dif between the ECC chrome is it has a .308WIN chamber, while the non chrome guns have a KAC II chamber.
I've always wanted to dimple a 20" 7.62mm barrel - the difference between the EC and the ECC barrels are .5LB, and the EC has the same profile as the ECR but is 4" shorter.
IF you cut the barrel, I would not recommend opening the gas port - and if you do, it only need 0.001 addition...
My 20" ECR upper on my SR-25 ECC lower.
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I agree. I've had the ECC on order for 5 months now... I think it was $3500 all said and done? But I may not get it, I still haven't heard anything on the rifle or the magazines I ordered for it before Christmas. I did go ahead and order the DTA HTI I always wanted, sure that'll be a tack driver of the first degree with the .375CT bbl., and .50BMG for fun. I got .50 to start with (of course). I always wanted one and this hoopla made it difficult to get other stuff so I went ahead and finally got this; couldn't be happier, can't wait to get the barrel so I can index and order the suppressor through Elite.
The Satern cut rifle barrel I have for my Grendel is the tits. It is a no shit .33MOA stick with handloads. I own nothing else like it in a semi. Hell, I own nothing else like it period. I want more of his barrels but they aren't easy to get. Cut rifling all the way, I wish all my barrels were cut rifled. By a master like Mr. Satern.
I think the ECR is also dimpled instead of fluted, and that is just ingenious. It significantly increases surface area without compromising strength or flex like standard fluting does. And I wonder if it can be done to barrels that have been rifled already. It also has other differences that make it cost more, for instance the new URX handguard and the canted flip sights. I think it has changes on the inside too, I can't remember. The 3/4"-24(?) barrel threading leaves plenty of meat up there at the muzzle and several QD suppressor mounts work. I planned on affixing my SDN-6 to it, though I know that'll kill any accuracy it has. I figured on a USO DFP scope (dual focal plane). 1-6x I think. But mine was cut rifled. In that case, I'd want more glass.
KAC makes good stuff, I suppose I am a bit of a fanboy as most of my rails and parts are KAC. But it is because I used a lot of it in the field and it worked. Their rifles have undergone some tweaking, particularly these new ones. I couldn't get a Larue OBR, first on the list, so this was second on the list but had to go with ECC. Due to magazine shortage and difficulty finding any of these, it is currently off the list. I may try again later when it dies down and a surplus gets built back up.
Have you priced KAC mags? They are peerless, heavy but peerless. No damn Pmag gonna stack up to a KAC mag. But if you plan on having a few socked away, get a night job. They aren't gouging, they were always $150 ea. If you don't mind this and you can get that ECR and want a good, no bullshit .308, get it. By all means, get it. And like you said, they do hold resale value if you decide to order that OBR later.
The dealer I dealt with works directly with KAC. Said they had shortages of these in the first place due to them becoming popular with soldiers over the M110. Not sure if he meant ECC or ECR, but pretty sure he meant ECC knowing the Army. Considering the M110 is what, $20,000 for the kit? I'd rather have the rifle they WANT, not what they currently get issued, because when it does get issued, it'll be like all of KAC's other specialty military stuff, particularly sniper rifles: available in a kit and expensive as hell. SR25 used to be just UNGODLY high back in the day! And personally, I'd MUCH rather have that cut rifle barrel over any chrome lined or button rifled barrel any day. And having it dimpled is even better. Them doing away with the full rail and making it more user friendly with different bolt on covers and rails is nice too. Big change for them, and though I like my URX2 and FF M5's and M4 rails, that newest one is the best one they make by far.
Retail price on our Mag is $124.43
We did not raise our prices during the Barracalypse.
Only commercial barrels dimpled at this time, are the SR-25 ECC, and the SR-15E3 SBR Carbine (14.5").
We did not raise our prices during the Barracalypse.
Only commercial barrels dimpled at this time, are the SR-25 ECC, and the SR-15E3 SBR Carbine (14.5").
Where did you buy / order an ECC for $3500? That's a great price.
That is not a 'right' price -- as the dealer price on it is more...
The EC (non Chrome, Non Dimple) 16" gun is right around there for dealer pricing.
The EC (non Chrome, Non Dimple) 16" gun is right around there for dealer pricing.
Yup -- nice gun.
Like this one?
Nice. 0-300 yards, this would be my pick. My Leupold is on the way, will use my KAC mount and a Surefire Fury light with a Vltor/ADM mount. I'm digging how compact the can is. Good job.
Whew, thanks for clearing that up. When I read $3500 for an ECC, I thought I'd gotten hosed on my ECC.
Same here thanks for info, i'm looking at the ECC as well...whats a good price?
Also this may be a dumb question but I've checked lawmens site out and can't find kac guns anywhere, where is the best place to pick one up?
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I have one on order from Lawmen's, they don't have KAC rifles posted on their website. The wait, as I think Kevin would tell you, is if you ordered right now it could be two months or 12 months. He has sold a bunch to .gov's and others. I am told there are over 300 ECC's on back order, not including the other 3 models. Just an FYI when I ordered mine in December I was told 30-90 days, 6 months later I am still waiting and not much luck or news of getting it anytime soon. Not sure if other vendors are seeing any of their orders coming in for SR25's or just the SR15's. I did order a SR15 upper and got it within the quoted 30-60 days, very happy to have it. Like BM11 I got the 14.5" upper.
Last pricing I got from several vendors was:
ECC list $5700, $4800 to $5300
EC list $4400, $3800 to $4300
ECR list $5600,
Lawmen's is really great to deal with. While waiting for my ECC I buy lots of other stuff from them. You can also try boltcarrier.com or gungalleryjax.com
Last pricing I got from several vendors was:
ECC list $5700, $4800 to $5300
EC list $4400, $3800 to $4300
ECR list $5600,
Lawmen's is really great to deal with. While waiting for my ECC I buy lots of other stuff from them. You can also try boltcarrier.com or gungalleryjax.com
Pretty good gun, I just dont think it's worth the price. Id get a proofresearch or ORB.
What's your experience with the SR-25 that brought you to that conclusion?
The same can be said for just about any uber expensive, "top of the line" rifle. I am the guy who pays a bit extra. I shoot an AIAX rifle, not a 700 in a chassis, I bought a Colt M16A1 rather than a Sendra, and I drive a BMW M3, not a Ford Mustang. In each case the less expensive product would get it done for less cash, but I paid a bit extra because it was worth it to me.
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Well played, I probably would have said something a little more brash. By the way I think you are my long lost brother, 14.5 SR15, ECC, M3...
