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I think we're going to get a GSD for the family. Not 100% decided yet, but close.

That face
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Piece of cake right? Be easy to remember when we got him, he and my son make together make a bad little German 88. Son is 8 months and Mr. yet to be named is 8 weeks.View attachment 8405495
Color me a smidge jealous.

I wanted children but it did not work (long story for another time.)

I had a dog and he passed away, I would like to get another dog but my life patterns right now would leave him alone in a back yard for much of a day. Not a bad life but dogs need human companionship.

I still have our medium White Persian cat, Jade. She is a few months over 18 years old but still doing well for an old lady.
 
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Congrats ! That picture is priceless . You are blessed to have two beautiful young ones to enjoy . Please post updates as they mature together .
There are three more in the backseat chomping at the bit to see the new puppy. They haven’t had a dog in their lives for about 2.5 years now.

My kids are not quite this bad under supervision, but if left to their own devices this is about what they’d look like with the new pup.
 
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Color me a smidge jealous.

I wanted children but it did not work (long story for another time.)

I had a dog and he passed away, I would like to get another dog but my life patterns right now would leave him alone in a back yard for much of a day. Not a bad life but dogs need human companionship.

I still have our medium White Persian cat, Jade. She is a few months over 18 years old but still doing well for an old lady.
I met my wife on my 32nd birthday and I knew right away she was the gal for me. She didn’t want children and I accepted that we would remain childless. Her mother passed 5 years later and I like to think she changed my wife’s mind and heart from heaven. Started having babies the next year.

I am sorry you were never able to have your own. But from your posts I gather you are probably the type that has passed on a lot of wisdom and mentored as many young minds as you were able when appropriate.

As many guys on here that seem like total fucking assholes and unabashedly self absorbed pricks, I suspect at least half of them have done the same.
 
View attachment 8388766View attachment 8388766Giant Schnauzer, all day. They will defend the boys all day against any threat. very easily trained, no shedding but do require regular grooming.
Giant Schnauzers are commonly used in Germany for Police K9 dogs. I was a police K9 handler/trainer and came across a Giant Schnauzer that a Sheriff's Department in Collier County, FL had. That Giant Schnauzer bit me harder than any other dog breed I've ever decoyed for in a bite suit. Had welts and bruising on my arms and legs for a week. I'd never even seen one before that, but boy howdy that dog left an impression.

I kind of chuckled when I first saw the Deputy walk up with it because the damned thing had a silly looking Schnauzer beard face. I wasn't chuckling when it latched on to me, I'll tell ya that.
 
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There are three more in the backseat chomping at the bit to see the new puppy. They haven’t had a dog in their lives for about 2.5 years now.

My kids are not quite this bad under supervision, but if left to their own devices this is about what they’d look like with the new pup.

You have your hands full . I remember those days, nothing like watching a new pup grow with the kids. That cartoon is perfect., I am sure the pup with suck it up, Please let us know what you name him .
 
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Beautiful pic of the pupper and your child. I took my German Shepherd to the train station yesterday. I couldn't do it. The local vet will come out tomorrow. You are right about the people on here. Some good ones, some not so good. I also got diagnosed with cancer a couple days ago. I won't die from it but will probably lose my eyesight. Oh well, life goes on. Best wishes for your kid and puppy......
 
Bangs head against wall.

My 5 year old daughter is scared of the pup. She just said she’s afraid of all animals. ??? WTF? OMFG. Now I have to use my fake nicey-nice voice and try to explain to her…everything? Honestly I am positive we went over all of this.

The only dog of ours she remembers is our little inherited Pomeranian. And she says she wasn’t afraid of her because she was used to her. Okay well you’ll get used to this dog too. It’s like she went to bed last night had a bad dream about dogs and woke up afraid of the puppy. In reality I think what actually happened is it took him until yesterday to really feel comfortable here. He’s now running around with a little spunk and he’s showing some of his prey drive now and it put my daughter on the defensive.

So I’m trying to explain to her that he can’t hurt her and he also doesn’t even want to. This morning just threw me for a loop because all of a sudden she’s backing off and shying away from the dog. So I said we can take it slow and she can get used to him before I ask her to interact with him more, but I want her to at least stand up straight and tall when he comes near her and not back off.

I’m just really bad at faking nice and sugar coating everything. I have to be really careful because half of the time when I talk to them matter of factly they freak the fuck out. Just recently I was explaining to them what a tick was (re-explaining for my 8 year old…she forgot) and what the bite might feel like to them. Mainly I wanted to make sure my 5 year old knew to tell us. She’s On the spectrum of whatever you call that can’t feel pain syndrome. She can feel it, but sometimes she makes me wonder. She is way more afraid of telling us about a wound/injury than she is of getting injured. Terrified of cleaning a scrape or cut. Anyhow, piece of cake right?

Pups sister looks black and tan.
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Think pup is bi-color?
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Excellent choice . My advise is get use to hair , hardwood floor's and put up anything that can be shredded for the next to years , it's going to be like having a t-rex in the house .they are con artist and way smarter than we think they are . It's great that the pup will grow up with the children The more they bond the safer your children will be . I can't leave. the house unless these to maniac's are on my heel's . Mine are named Bailey and Bella , but I should have named them chaos and mayhem . Both of them weigh around 85 lb's
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I haven't had a big/kinda big dog in forever, but holy shit this guys paws are fucking huge! He still nips at people, but he's calmed down a ton. He doesn't need to constantly look for me as much as he did to stop biting. He has a tougher time with it inside, but outside running with my children he is pretty much good to go. Couple days ago my 3 year old was holding his leash, I told him he better hang on, etc. Tank (the dog) saw/heard something and flat bolted. My son had his arm about yanked out of his socket and got fully superman'ed out and then ate shit in the gravel. Obviously he was fine, but :ROFLMAO:
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I haven't had a big/kinda big dog in forever, but holy shit this guys paws are fucking huge! He still nips at people, but he's calmed down a ton. He doesn't need to constantly look for me as much as he did to stop biting. He has a tougher time with it inside, but outside running with my children he is pretty much good to go. Couple days ago my 3 year old was holding his leash, I told him he better hang on, etc. Tank (the dog) saw/heard something and flat bolted. My son had his arm about yanked out of his socket and got fully superman'ed out and then ate shit in the gravel. Obviously he was fine, but :ROFLMAO:
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Yeah I'm laughing my ass off, but not at your poor son.....YOU! Now the daughter is scared of him. Doing a great job there...........S.O.S (Stuck ON Stupid!!).

I just hope a hospital trip doesn't end up in the future for one of your family members. What if your kid had some serious injuries? They're going to ask questions about what happened,,,,,Just let that sink in.
 
Yeah I'm laughing my ass off, but not at your poor son.....YOU! Now the daughter is scared of him. Doing a great job there...........S.O.S (Stuck ON Stupid!!).

I just hope a hospital trip doesn't end up in the future for one of your family members. What if your kid had some serious injuries? They're going to ask questions about what happened,,,,,Just let that sink in.
Are you fucking retarded?

Daughter was scared of him for a week or so. Then she was just a little apprehensive. Just took her a minute to get used to him, she's now fine.
 
Are you fucking retarded?

Daughter was scared of him for a week or so. Then she was just a little apprehensive. Just took her a minute to get used to him, she's now fine.
As a famous philosopher once said: Stupid is as Stupid does.

In the meanwhile, I'll pray for you and your family. Have a good day.
 
Are you afraid of dogs in general or are you afraid of what they can do?
The later, especially with respect to children. Look, I have two GSD's and I have taken my share of bites and KO's from the more aggressive of the two. We started training at 8 weeks old with simple commands and then moved up to advanced training with the breeder. It's a 1-1/2 hour drive to that facility.

At 4 years old ( many years ago) I was bitten by a dog and had to go to the emergency room. My parents waited anxiously for the word as to whether the dog was properly vaccinated. For all of the parties involved, it was not a pleasant experience and it took a long time for me to get over it at that age. Nothing worse than knowing that you may have to take those shots.

The breeder, that we know, trains GSD dogs for individuals, l.e., and military. Guess what they gave their young son for his first dog..............A lab retriever. That should tell you something and I'm not out of my element on this.

I wish you, the family, and the dog the best and hope it all works out..............
 
I have a very healthy respect for what dogs can do. Any dog can become a problem. Sometimes it just takes the right/wrong circumstance.

You're more likely to be in a car accident than be bitten by a dog. And far more likely to be seriously injured in a vehicle as well. <shrugs> That's life man.

My 3 year old gets in pretty much every dog or cats face that he meets. Hasn't gotten him into a whole lotta trouble yet, but he's been disabused a time or 3 by said critters. And this is with me warning him before the encounter even begins. Again, life.

Thanks for the prayers and well wishes.
 
I have a very healthy respect for what dogs can do. Any dog can become a problem. Sometimes it just takes the right/wrong circumstance.

You're more likely to be in a car accident than be bitten by a dog. And far more likely to be seriously injured in a vehicle as well. <shrugs> That's life man.

My 3 year old gets in pretty much every dog or cats face that he meets. Hasn't gotten him into a whole lotta trouble yet, but he's been disabused a time or 3 by said critters. And this is with me warning him before the encounter even begins. Again, life.

Thanks for the prayers and well wishes.
Yep. I've posted the whole story before so short version, I was bitten/attacked by our 200 lb. English Mastiff, ended up in the ER for stitches and x-rays. He really was a big baby, but lost his mind that night. We still have very large dogs and probably always will.


On a more humorous note, our 1st dog was a Lab. When he was about 9-10 months old, my wife was playing with him and they both turned their heads at the wrong time. He head butted her right in the nose! She was gushing blood. I thought for sure it was broken, a trip to the ER was in order, and I was going to jail. No way in hell they were gonna believe the dog did it! Fortunately, the bleeding stopped and we decided it wasn't broken.

Another 'the dog did it' story: I had to write a note for our son 1 time, when a different Lab of ours really did eat his homework! :ROFLMAO:
 
My dog and I would play in the backyard and there was a few times where I took a fang to the knuckle.

He was not trying to bite. He had his mouth open to breathe and we both zigged or zagged at the same time.

But there was one time he bit me. I had him in for a check up and asked the vet to give him a sedative so that I could clip his nails. He hated that.

So, I clipped them and got too close to the quick on a few and had some bleeding. I called the vet and he said to bandage it.

I did. And Sjhadow woke up slowly. He was getting some water and the bandages were coming loose. I came up from behind me to get the bandage off and he got me but let go. Lesson learned.

His previous owners could have helped by getting him used to trims as a small puppy but they really had no business owning a dog. They had no idea how to potty train a dog. So, at times, our friend who was the guy's mother, would sit with him got him trained by letting him out when he went to the door. He trained himself, he just needed a human barely bright enough to open a door.

All that being said, dogs have personalities that are different. So, he was not always bomb-proof with everyone. Some dogs are.

Not everyx GSD or Belgian Malinois is good for K9 work. It takes a specific temperment and trainability, for example.

So, most GSDs are good and loyal but they are big and can play like a big and rough puppy.
 
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Sounds like your family has committed itself to this dog which is great. It's also going to be to your benefit that you are so open about discussing the dog and any issues you are having as a first-time German Shepherd owner. Being able to take advice from those who have raised multiple shepherds is an admirable quality to have and it sounds like you want to do the right thing by your family and dog. Very cool!

As you have probably already found out, puppies love to chase things. One of the best puppy toys I have ever used is a cheap homemade one. I used a 1/2" wooden dowel that is about three feet long, a piece of 550 para cord also about three feet in length, and a normal wash cloth.

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Tie the wash cloth to one end of the para cord and connect the other end of the para cord to the end of the dowel. The dogs love chasing the towel and you can really tire them out with minimal output on your part. You can also use it to play tug-of-war and it is a great way to desensitize or introduce the dog to something it might be afraid of like a lawnmower or leaf blower.

For example if the dog is frightened of the mower. You could start the mower, then immediately turn it off and go play (tennis balls, treats, etc also would work). Then mow a couple minutes, stop, then play again. Do this a few times, which is a lot of work, but the dog will eventually start to associate the mower with play time and fear will be gone forever.

If your dog likes tennis balls, you could pull the cord, throw the ball. When the dog returns, pull the cord, throw the ball. This concept works inside the house too with the vacuum cleaner, putting on a collar or leash, nail trimming--reward after every nail. Same with taking a bath. Lure the dog in there with treats of lift him. Reward the dog heavily for being in the tub. Do that a dozen or more times over a couple days to the point the dog gets excited about being in there. Then run warm water quickly and reward the dog heavily. Splash a little water on a paw and reward heavily--do that a bunch of times. Then move up and hit the dogs shin--reward heavily. Do that a few more times. Then move the water to the dogs body and reward heavily.

The goal is to not only totally desensitize the dog to taking a bath but make them actually want to take a bath. The above procedure is kinda worst case scenario. If you already have a reward/communication system in place with your dog, you can do the whole thing in a couple minutes not a couple days.

Ice cubes work great for a teething dog as do marrow bones, cut into about two inch sections, they will keep a pup occupied for a good while.

It's been my experience harnesses are more likely to cause aggression issues than a collar and it is also much easier to teach a dog not to pull on a collar. Dog trainers will utilize harnesses to hold a dog back from something they want to train the dog to go after. Your control over the dog is also greatly diminished with a harness because the leash usually connects so far down the neck or onto the body. You have the most control over a dog with a collar attached as high on the neck as possible.

Pinch collars are not painful for a dog if used correctly. I was initially mortified at the idea, so I put one around my forearm and gave it a good tug and it didn't hurt at all.

I use both as each has its own rules. On the collar, the dog is expected to walk alongside me, calmly. With the harness the dog is allowed to pull--we use this when bicycle riding for example. I've also seen guys on skateboards letting their dogs pull them along paths. Keep up the good work brother! :)

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@AmmoFort

Sounds like your family has committed itself to this dog which is great. It's also going to be to your benefit that you are so open about discussing the dog and any issues you are having as a first-time German Shepherd owner. Being able to take advice from those who have raised multiple shepherds is an admirable quality to have and it sounds like you want to do the right thing by your family and dog. Very cool!

As you have probably already found out, puppies love to chase things. One of the best puppy toys I have ever used is a cheap homemade one. I used a 1/2" wooden dowel that is about three feet long, a piece of 550 para cord also about three feet in length, and a normal wash cloth.

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Tie the wash cloth to one end of the para cord and connect the other end of the para cord to the end of the dowel. The dogs love chasing the towel and you can really tire them out with minimal output on your part. You can also use it to play tug-of-war and it is a great way to desensitize or introduce the dog to something it might be afraid of like a lawnmower or leaf blower.

For example if the dog is frightened of the mower. You could start the mower, then immediately turn it off and go play (tennis balls, treats, etc also would work). Then mow a couple minutes, stop, then play again. Do this a few times, which is a lot of work, but the dog will eventually start to associate the mower with play time and fear will be gone forever.

If your dog likes tennis balls, you could pull the cord, throw the ball. When the dog returns, pull the cord, throw the ball. This concept works inside the house too with the vacuum cleaner, putting on a collar or leash, nail trimming--reward after every nail. Same with taking a bath. Lure the dog in there with treats of lift him. Reward the dog heavily for being in the tub. Do that a dozen or more times over a couple days to the point the dog gets excited about being in there. Then run warm water quickly and reward the dog heavily. Splash a little water on a paw and reward heavily--do that a bunch of times. Then move up and hit the dogs shin--reward heavily. Do that a few more times. Then move the water to the dogs body and reward heavily.

The goal is to not only totally desensitize the dog to taking a bath but make them actually want to take a bath. The above procedure is kinda worst case scenario. If you already have a reward/communication system in place with your dog, you can do the whole thing in a couple minutes not a couple days.

Ice cubes work great for a teething dog as do marrow bones, cut into about two inch sections, they will keep a pup occupied for a good while.

It's been my experience harnesses are more likely to cause aggression issues than a collar and it is also much easier to teach a dog not to pull on a collar. Dog trainers will utilize harnesses to hold a dog back from something they want to train the dog to go after. Your control over the dog is also greatly diminished with a harness because the leash usually connects so far down the neck or onto the body. You have the most control over a dog with a collar attached as high on the neck as possible.

Pinch collars are not painful for a dog if used correctly. I was initially mortified at the idea, so I put one around my forearm and gave it a good tug and it didn't hurt at all.

I use both as each has its own rules. On the collar, the dog is expected to walk alongside me, calmly. With the harness the dog is allowed to pull--we use this when bicycle riding for example. I've also seen guys on skateboards letting their dogs pull them along paths. Keep up the good work brother! :)

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WOW.................Great looking pooch, and those ears/stabling. Beautiful.

You bring up some great points........Our trainer/breeder calls pinch collars throttle control. Once the pup knows how to handle the 4 paw drive, it's a good idea to use one for throttle and they don't hurt the dog. Lots of walks with the collar training will get them to slow down to your pace and resist chasing deer other dogs. Reward and positive reinforcement are critical. They love treats, play, and affection.

The other point you brought up is noise accommodation. Good idea to start out with small db's of sound as pups, then expose them to louder noises as they get older. All of the loud sounds like mowers, chain saws, cars, atv's, gun shots, and other sounds common to their environment are good to start out with. Ours get exposed at a distance to things like chain saws and over time we bring them in closer to the source. Now I have two guards in the woods when I'm felling trees and splitting wood. Makes me fell a lot more comfortable to have my buds near by and they compete over who gets to go for the atv ride.
 
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I have a prong collar for Tank, but he's not ready for it. We tried it the other day and it's just a no go at this point. He is definitely a smart dog and picks things up quickly, but he is only interested in training for brief stints. Really brief. We're basically spending most of our time with him just walking around the property while he is in a harness and trailing a leash. He doesn't get too distracted while walking. Only if he finds some deer poop he needs to eat. Hasn't strayed outside the barbwire yet.

First time he and I went anywhere alone in the truck today. Ready for some water!
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I have a prong collar for Tank, but he's not ready for it. We tried it the other day and it's just a no go at this point. He is definitely a smart dog and picks things up quickly, but he is only interested in training for brief stints. Really brief. We're basically spending most of our time with him just walking around the property while he is in a harness and trailing a leash. He doesn't get too distracted while walking. Only if he finds some deer poop he needs to eat. Hasn't strayed outside the barbwire yet.

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He has you well trained...........
 
I had a GSD/Chow Chow mix, female, from 2003-2014. She was a shelter dog, exact age unknown. About 1.5-3yrs old, by her teeth, said the vet when I first got her. First several years, she routinely jumped the 3ft fence at property front, would go wandering. Someone would call me and say, "got your dog, good thing you put that tag on her." Eventually she got used to her terrain and stayed, despite being able to clear the fence still. She was headstrong and semi-feral. Let me pet her, but did not often let others pet her. Not unfriendly, just wary of human contact. Probably abused as a pup. I exercised her often, daily long walks and plenty of running after a ball or a stick or a frisbee. Swimming after sticks in the river or irrigation ditch.

She used to go on mtn bike rides with me. On one ride, she did a u-turn and chased something at a point where I could not regularly turn my head to see if she was with me. I went back up trail, no dog. Slowly returned to my truck. No dog. Drove home, put bike away, grabbed some food and changed clothes, and drove back to the place where I'd been. Now getting dark. Up the access road, headed toward me, she is trotting. I open the truck door and she jumps in like this was all part of the day's fun.

Like many GSDs and GSD mixes, she had hip and knee problems as she aged. But she was a great dog all the way to the end. The intelligence, athleticism, prey-drive need attention but they are smart loyal dogs.
 
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In Texas, in July, being in the 90s is a cool front.

My brother's second wife was from Maine, where they lived. I told her that down here, we get days and weeks of 100+ F. We call that July and August. She declared she would definitely not visit here at such times.

Fair enough.

Then, the divorced. But my brother has remarried to an English lady. He even has been across the pond to meet her family.
 
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We got a Great Pyrenees, wife was bit badly by a shepherd with an idiot for an owner as a child.

She won’t go near one.
Every Great Pyrenees I've met has seemed decent. Never run afoul of one. I've met tons of German Shepherds and it's always gone fine, but there have been a few where I thought, "this guy is either leery of me or this situation." Where with the Pyrenees it has always seemed more like, "If my people are good, then I'm good."

Met a little blue heeler collie mix today that was sweeter than sweet tea. Holy shit. I flat told the gal I'd buy her 12 week old pup if she would sell her. Damn what a little sweetie. Shoulda took a pic
 
Any dog takes work. GSDs are very trainable and smart.

And very tough. So, train them with a clicker and R+. This will do more wonders than trying to wrestle them to the ground or speak in stern terms.

In short, let's say that the dog pees on the floor of the house. You get upset and command the dog come to you. Then you bang him on the snout. You think you punished him for peeing in the wrong place when really, you punished him for coming to you. Next time, he may not be so quick.

If you use a punishment, the dog has to see a punishment and link it to the behavior you want stopped. However, they do work for rewards. That being said, likewise, the dog needs to see the reward as a good thing and link it to the behavior that you want repeated.

Different things can be a reward. I knew a few people that trained K-9s. They train with tug on a towel as a reward instead of food.
Exactly. Dont be a retard that yells at the dog after the incident happens. Definitely use a collar to train and recall. It’s always the humans fault. Remember that and don’t be lazy
 
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Holy shit this guy is getting big a little over 5 months, he's 20.5" and 56 lbs.

I think he's going to take to training fine, he just isn't going to start it in earnest as early as I thought. He'll still only train for short periods. Gets distracted when too many people are around. After he gets tired playing with everybody he starts to lapse back into bite mode, but it is just a teeny tiny nibble. I'm not sure how I'm going to get him to stop bowling over my 3 year old son. Lol, that's almost a daily occurrence. He goes around him when he see's him, but when they are kinda near each other and he is focused on something else it's like blind siding someone in bumper cars.

Occasionally needs to be reminded to not jump on people when he is first let out of the outside kennel, but maybe only 10% of the time. Getting much more focused on his treats as rewards. He could take them or leave them before after the first few minutes.

Pretty good boy over all.
 
Holy shit this guy is getting big a little over 5 months, he's 20.5" and 56 lbs.

I think he's going to take to training fine, he just isn't going to start it in earnest as early as I thought. He'll still only train for short periods. Gets distracted when too many people are around. After he gets tired playing with everybody he starts to lapse back into bite mode, but it is just a teeny tiny nibble. I'm not sure how I'm going to get him to stop bowling over my 3 year old son. Lol, that's almost a daily occurrence. He goes around him when he see's him, but when they are kinda near each other and he is focused on something else it's like blind siding someone in bumper cars.

Occasionally needs to be reminded to not jump on people when he is first let out of the outside kennel, but maybe only 10% of the time. Getting much more focused on his treats as rewards. He could take them or leave them before after the first few minutes.

Pretty good boy over all.
My dog was a mix of Siberian Husky and Lab. More Sibe in features. Double suspension gait, which means all 4 limbs in the air, like a greyhound. I estimated his top speed around 30 - 35 mph in his prime.

And he was 36 inches long from tail set to snout. My wife is 5' 5 1/2" and he could stand up and put his paws on her shoulders.

He liked to jump people, just playing. I tried to punish that with a scruff grab and pin down but he thought that was rasslin', a reward. So, I used treats. I don't the bagged ones you buy. I mean I would go get a piece of grilled pork chop or smoked brisket. Especially when he was chasing the cat. I would call "off" and he would, just about in mid-stride and come back to me. And I would give him such a treat, the mother lode for listening to me.

Listening to me was more rewarding than anything else.
 
Holy shit this guy is getting big a little over 5 months, he's 20.5" and 56 lbs.

I think he's going to take to training fine, he just isn't going to start it in earnest as early as I thought. He'll still only train for short periods. Gets distracted when too many people are around. After he gets tired playing with everybody he starts to lapse back into bite mode, but it is just a teeny tiny nibble. I'm not sure how I'm going to get him to stop bowling over my 3 year old son. Lol, that's almost a daily occurrence. He goes around him when he see's him, but when they are kinda near each other and he is focused on something else it's like blind siding someone in bumper cars.

Occasionally needs to be reminded to not jump on people when he is first let out of the outside kennel, but maybe only 10% of the time. Getting much more focused on his treats as rewards. He could take them or leave them before after the first few minutes.

Pretty good boy over all.
Training takes a lace at just about every moment you own a dog. Either you are training him or he is training you.

If Tank seems uninterested, there are quite a few things that will boost his engagement.

Vary the type of treats you give him. The same treat over and over gets boring.

Train when he is hungry. Nothing wrong will using his kibble as training treats in place of just giving him a bowl of food. Dogs like to work for their food.

Vary the time between rewards and also the number of treats he gets each time. If you do the exact same thing over and over the dog gets bored and checks out real quick.

If you make him wait different amounts of time, and then give different amounts of food, the dog will stay much more engaged.
 
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