That is way too close to another acronym I get tired of seeing
But maybe that was your intent?Rifle Scopes Is a Viper PST Gen 3 coming???
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But maybe that was your intent?Just make it:
3-18x42
FFP with a nice mil-hash reticle
.1Mil, with lockable 10mil elevation and capped windage
600gm weight or less
30mm tube
Somewhere on a top branch of the quality tree
Parallax adjustable
And I'll sell every riflescope I own and buy 5.
I have been saying this for 10 years or more and it hasn't happened yet
3-18x42
FFP with a nice mil-hash reticle
.1Mil, with lockable 10mil elevation and capped windage
600gm weight or less
30mm tube
Somewhere on a top branch of the quality tree
Parallax adjustable
And I'll sell every riflescope I own and buy 5.
I have been saying this for 10 years or more and it hasn't happened yet
I heard you guys were excited about a new scope so I made you a SFP available only in MOA with Chinese glass, you’re welcome.
Seriously hope FFP is there, and its not just a 30mm lightweight Strike Eagle.
"Heard ya'll asking for a 20-22oz Japaneeze 3-18x42 FFP MIL with locking elevation and capped windage and a hunting friendly reticle, heres a 26oz Chin-nuh 3-15x44 SFP Strike Turkey...cause its for hunting, get it???"
But seriously, hopefully it's something good. I just sleuthed that pic on the internetz.
"Heard ya'll asking for a 20-22oz Japaneeze 3-18x42 FFP MIL with locking elevation and capped windage and a hunting friendly reticle, heres a 26oz Chin-nuh 3-15x44 SFP Strike Turkey...cause its for hunting, get it???"
But seriously, hopefully it's something good. I just sleuthed that pic on the internetz.
I would love the old bushnell lrhs donut reticle, 3-15 ish FFP around 20 oz illumination would be a bonus but not required, locking elevation and capped windage with parallax adjustment and zero stop with razor quality glass
There is a FFP version of the Viper HD 5-35-50 coming, in MRAD & MOA. With exposed locking elevation and capped windage.
Wtf. Another swing and miss.
I mean give them a little credit. If it’s a Viper it should be Filipino, not Chinese.
But yeah, they’re really just all in on those 3-15 erectors. How many do they make now? Venom, Viper HD, Viper PST2 SFP and FFP, LHT in 2 objective sizes.
No it’s got more to do with neck size. Play a lot of football, wrestle, box, lift weights and when you get 50 plus you will join us
CPAP is fantastic for us large neck guys
I’m fine with a 5-25x, definitely want FFP. They may want to add a 7-35 in the mix to compete with the Mark4 etc on the higher mag end.
The reticle in @Tx_Aggie post looks good. If they can keep the weight at or less than the PST2, but with an upgrade in glass and have reliability more like a RazorG2 I’d be seriously interested. So sort of an LHT but with G3ish turrets.
The reticle in @Tx_Aggie post looks good. If they can keep the weight at or less than the PST2, but with an upgrade in glass and have reliability more like a RazorG2 I’d be seriously interested. So sort of an LHT but with G3ish turrets.
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A good 4-20x FFP 34mm, EBR7C, illuminated under 32oz would be a nice scope.
Where did you find this? I have not seen anything about it.There is a FFP version of the Viper HD 5-35-50 coming, in MRAD & MOA. With exposed locking elevation and capped windage.
The release is tomorrow.Where did you find this? I have not seen anything about it.
ILya
Looked at their website for any changes in the last 2 weeks with links to riflescopes that don't exist. Here is what I found:
Viper HD 5-25x50
Viper HD 3-15x44
Viper HD 3-15x44 SFP
Can't imagine them calling one SFP if the others are not FFP. Couldn't find specs, other than a whats in the box image for the 3-15 SFP.
Also found recent updates referencing the following:
- Defender XL Red Dot
- 10x32 and 8x32 Razor UHD Binos
- Tan AMG UH-1 Holographic Sight
Viper HD 5-25x50
Viper HD 3-15x44
Viper HD 3-15x44 SFP
Can't imagine them calling one SFP if the others are not FFP. Couldn't find specs, other than a whats in the box image for the 3-15 SFP.
Also found recent updates referencing the following:
- Defender XL Red Dot
- 10x32 and 8x32 Razor UHD Binos
- Tan AMG UH-1 Holographic Sight
I love you website scraping sleuths. Wonder how big the Defender XL will be.
The 3-15 I played with was SFP/ Mil based, and the elevation turret was way better than my LHT and my Gen2 PST. I believe there is a FFP in the 5-25s.
Also they are made in the Philippines not china.
Also they are made in the Philippines not china.
I think these will fit into the mid tier nicely and compete with the Leupy Mark4HD and Burris XTR3i
However, I am happy and will stick with the superior glass/quality of the Element Nexus and Theos, for now.
Still waiting on Vortex to release a smaller Gen 3 Razor or AMG Gen 2...
However, I am happy and will stick with the superior glass/quality of the Element Nexus and Theos, for now.
Still waiting on Vortex to release a smaller Gen 3 Razor or AMG Gen 2...
I am intrigued
Interesting, with so many competitors doing more of a 3-18/4-20x and 5-30/6-36x I'm surprised they stayed with the lower zoom slots. Not that 25x isn't enough but clearly in the marketplace more power sells these days, and they are now behind the curve for max power compared to the competition. Can't say I'm very impressed with my copy of the XTR3i, so hopefully they do better.
From what I saw on a couple websites that clearly didn't get the release is tomorrow message ........ hard to say how much accuracy is in any of these early store ads but it looks like street pricing will be below the XTR3/Mark4HD and on par if not under what most places are selling the PST Gen II's for right now, looks like it lost a chunk of weight and a bit of length compared to the PST 2. Sounds like it got the RevStop system the strike eagle has for a zero stop, so you either gain a lot of travel (if you don't use it) or lose a chunk if you do) Already in stock and ready to order at stores if you hunt around a bit.
Looks like Cabelas and Bass pro had them up and then pulled them down. With that in mind be interesting to see what happens to the PST Gen II, if they keep it in the lineup like the Razor Gen 2, or drop it. Might stay since they seem to be pushing the new option as more of a cross-over/hunting option and with the price we're seeing on some of these sites they might actually slot it below the PST Gen 2 or even with it but with more of a hunting application.
We'll all know tomorrow, or I guess later tonight if you stay up late.
From what I saw on a couple websites that clearly didn't get the release is tomorrow message ........ hard to say how much accuracy is in any of these early store ads but it looks like street pricing will be below the XTR3/Mark4HD and on par if not under what most places are selling the PST Gen II's for right now, looks like it lost a chunk of weight and a bit of length compared to the PST 2. Sounds like it got the RevStop system the strike eagle has for a zero stop, so you either gain a lot of travel (if you don't use it) or lose a chunk if you do) Already in stock and ready to order at stores if you hunt around a bit.
Looks like Cabelas and Bass pro had them up and then pulled them down. With that in mind be interesting to see what happens to the PST Gen II, if they keep it in the lineup like the Razor Gen 2, or drop it. Might stay since they seem to be pushing the new option as more of a cross-over/hunting option and with the price we're seeing on some of these sites they might actually slot it below the PST Gen 2 or even with it but with more of a hunting application.
We'll all know tomorrow, or I guess later tonight if you stay up late.
I'm actually tired of all the 6x and 8x erectors, too many compromises.
The 2-10x42 has to be a joke. Why we are still using SFP and BDC reticles in 2024 is beyond me. That optic would be really nice with a FFP mil-tree reticle.
china Athlon keeps winning in that category.
china Athlon keeps winning in that category.
Some of the models are up on the Vortex website now. Only SFP models listed at the moment.
If these have kept the same (or better ) glass as the PST Gen2 and have a a similar street price to the Strike Eagle then they should be nice scopes.
The weight is less that the Mark 5hd and they have a much wider FOV than the Mark 5hd and 4hd.
Wille have to see what they do with reticles, but if they don't mess them up in the FFP scopes these should be pretty nice.
I have said the PST 3-15x44 just needs capped windage and a thicker reticle in the past.
If I had one criticism (based of almost zero information) it'd be that they should've done a 4-20x50 (holy grail crossover scope IMO) and then gone 56mm on the 5-25, but if this is just a "minor" update to the PST Gen2 line then I can see why they didn't make huge changes.
If these have kept the same (or better ) glass as the PST Gen2 and have a a similar street price to the Strike Eagle then they should be nice scopes.
The weight is less that the Mark 5hd and they have a much wider FOV than the Mark 5hd and 4hd.
Wille have to see what they do with reticles, but if they don't mess them up in the FFP scopes these should be pretty nice.
I have said the PST 3-15x44 just needs capped windage and a thicker reticle in the past.
If I had one criticism (based of almost zero information) it'd be that they should've done a 4-20x50 (holy grail crossover scope IMO) and then gone 56mm on the 5-25, but if this is just a "minor" update to the PST Gen2 line then I can see why they didn't make huge changes.
The problem is fudds, they still buy this stuff and companies don't want to spend money on a product that wont sell.
Unfortunately the lack of decent FFP designs has meant people wont even try to transition to FFP, there is now a small "movement" of people to FFP for hunting with the likes of the Athlon Helos, but it's definitely slow.
Somehow Vortex out Leupold’ed Leupold. The Mark 4HD lineup makes a lot more advances than these.
Yep, the movement is slow towards a good crossover, more companies offering lighter FFP options but still no real crossover reticles to make them appealing. Remember how Premier Reticles got started, we need another company like this today to put out better crossover reticles. How about a Vortex Custom Reticle Shop…
25 ounce FFP 5-25x50 with a decent tree reticle will do very well for them, I think.
ILya
ILya
Trees and BDC’s in SFP’s is just asking for problems. But the Fudds eat them up so they still make mfr’s lots of money.
Something in the elevation specs is definitely odd.
The 5-25 PST 2 in MOA lists 70 MOA of elevation and 20 MRAD
However the Viper HD 5-25, lists:
47 MOA with revstop and 68 MOA without
18.9 MRAD with revstop and 20 MRAD without. (incidentally 47 MOA and 18.9 MRAD is the # they list for the Strike Eagle 5-25 with RevStop)
One of those doesn't add up, given how much elevation the Strike Eagle loses with the RevStop installed I'd imagine the MOA #'s are closer, which would mean the MRAD would be closer to 13.7 MRAD if you wanted to use the RevStop. That's a pretty big elevation hit compared to the PST 2 which isn't winning any elevation contests in the first place. However, the odds of both those #'s lining up perfectly with the Strike Eagle is unlikely so the actual numbers are probably something different. Manual for it lists the same #'s as the webpage specs, but it seems unlikely the MRAD version somehow loses almost no elevation with the RevStop and the MOA version loses a ton.
FOV is basically identical to the PST 2 as well.
The 5-25 PST 2 in MOA lists 70 MOA of elevation and 20 MRAD
However the Viper HD 5-25, lists:
47 MOA with revstop and 68 MOA without
18.9 MRAD with revstop and 20 MRAD without. (incidentally 47 MOA and 18.9 MRAD is the # they list for the Strike Eagle 5-25 with RevStop)
One of those doesn't add up, given how much elevation the Strike Eagle loses with the RevStop installed I'd imagine the MOA #'s are closer, which would mean the MRAD would be closer to 13.7 MRAD if you wanted to use the RevStop. That's a pretty big elevation hit compared to the PST 2 which isn't winning any elevation contests in the first place. However, the odds of both those #'s lining up perfectly with the Strike Eagle is unlikely so the actual numbers are probably something different. Manual for it lists the same #'s as the webpage specs, but it seems unlikely the MRAD version somehow loses almost no elevation with the RevStop and the MOA version loses a ton.
FOV is basically identical to the PST 2 as well.
Well I just ordered a 5-25x50 FFP HD Viper with MRad. Seems like a great option to me
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Revstop limits the elevation travel to just under two turns. One turn is 10 mrad, so just under two turns works out to be around 19mrad.
ILya
The VMR-3 MRAD looks thicker than the Leupold TMR but not as thick as the illuminated TMR. The hash marks are not as tall as the TMR.
I hope this is a first step towards Vortex introducing more simple / less cluttered reticles across all of their scope lines.
-Stan
I hope this is a first step towards Vortex introducing more simple / less cluttered reticles across all of their scope lines.
-Stan
Yeah, it seems odd but it's probably just due to the difference in travel per turn in the MOA and MRAD versions.
The MOA version is only 25 MOA per turn (or ~7.3 MRAD), so 2 turns of the RevStop limiter on the MOA is ~50 MOA, and max elevation is 68 MOA, which is ~20 MIl. Since the MRAD version is 10 mil per rev it gets almost all the elevation possible out of the 2 turns.
The fudds got it right, we don't want 6x erector FFP when the reticle is useless on low magnification. LEUPOLD got it right on having 4x erector , i just gotta get one and confirm.
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