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6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/08/2014 Last edited 10/20/2014 by CDIBBS

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6.5 x 47 Lapua
Surgeon action AIAX chassis
130 Berger VLD
41.3 gr H4350
CCI 450
Benchmark 8 twist almost truck axle contour

~2900 fps (need to chrono with new powder lot)

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/14/2014

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I copied a good bit of the load data from the previous thread before the switch. Hope it helps.

As always, use at your own caution and work up.


6.5x47 Lapua Load Data



130gr JLK, 41.7gr H4350, BR4 primer, at OAL 2.850", 2925fps from my 26" 8-twist Hart
107gr SMK, 39.3gr RL-15, BR4 primer, at OAL 2.750", 3000fps from my 21" 9-twist Kreiger

My load - 40.4 H4350, 140 vld @2830 27" 8tw McGowen
My dad's load- 39.5 R17, 140 Vld @2820 27" 8tw McGowen



130 vld and Varget. Find your node between 36.5 and 37.5 grains.



43 grains 4350
27.5" Brux
fed 205
velocity is 3017
130 VLD



40.7gr of H4350
CCI 450
130 VLD
Velocity is 2866 fps out of a 26" Bartlein 5R.



6.5x47 Lapua
Hart 1-8 25 inch
Berger 140LRBT
RL17, 205m, 41.2grs, 2977 FPS



123gr Nosler CC
38.4gr Varget
Wolf SM primer
2920 FPS out of a 22" Brux



123gr Scenar/130 vld
37.4 grains of RE15
BR4 primers
2930 fps-26" Kreiger SS



Lapua Brass with necks cleaned up
140 Berger Hybrid
CCI 450
37.6 grains of Varget



I settled on 41.3 grains of H-4350 with Berger 130 Berger VLD Match and Remington 7.5 Primer and Lapua Brass.



136 scenar
39.9gr VV N550
205M
2850fps



6.5 x 47 Lapua
Krieger 1:8 22 inch
140 gr. A-max
38.5 gr. RL17
CCI std. sm R
.020 off lands
2730 fps



130 Nosler AccuBond
41.5 gr RE-17
CCI 450
.010" Jump
2850 FPS



140 gr. Hornady Match BTHP
36.0 gr. Varget
CCI SR primer
2656 fps. avg.
Krieger 22” 1:8.5
1/2” moa or better @ 100 yds.

140 gr. Hornady AMax
38.5 gr. Reloader 17
CCI SR primer
2673 fps avg.
Krieger 22” 1:8.5
1/2” moa or better @ 100 yds.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/14/2014

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/14/2014

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/15/2014

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/15/2014 Last edited 10/15/2014 by SlimLR

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6.5x47
Rem 700(trued)
27", Shilen, 1 in 8" twist, Heavy Palma
AI Chassis
139 scenar
39.8gr H4350
Wolf SRM
Touching lands, base to ogive 2.175"
2760 fps
ES 11 fps
Consistent .4" groups (5-shot groups)
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/19/2014

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My load
123gr Lapua Scenars.
Lapua brass
37.0gr of Reloader 15
CCI 450 primers
OAL. 2.690
Getting 2875 fps
Now with the weather cooling off, I probably up the weight a few tenths.

Brass life is 40 plus. Actually never have worn out any brass like loose pockets.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/20/2014

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/20/2014

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140gr Berger BTLR
38.7 gr h4350
CCI 450
CBTO 2.010
2608fps
im shooting this load out to 1500 so far with good results just not that much power left working on going to 1mile
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/20/2014

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lapua brass

cci 450

39 grs RL15

123 scenars 2.720 OAL

8 twist bartlien at 28.25 inches scooting along at 3075 fps,,

4 inch round AR500 is in the 80+% hit rate at 800 yards



shooting less than 2 inch 5 shot groups at 600 also when the wind isnt to bad,,



the 123 Lapua is head and shoulders better than the 130 Berger in my rifle,,



good luck and long live the Lapua rounds,,

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/25/2014

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What freebore you fellas running with the 130vlds.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/26/2014

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Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/28/2014

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Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/28/2014

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Snagged this from Bryan Litz's article on 6mmbr.
Not my loads just adding too the discussion.
Start low and work up for safety's sake, It's your life your playing with.

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I stand corrected the article is written by Zak Smith.

Link to article: www.6mmbr.com/gunweek084.html
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/03/2014

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Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/03/2014 Last edited 11/03/2014 by Boxcar77

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My loaded necks are .289 so I'm using a .288 bushing. YMMV though



I have 300 pieces of Lapua brass all the same lot number and loaded neck is very consistant at .289 to .2895. Other lot numbers may vary in thickness.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/05/2014

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40gr. H4350, 140gr. Berger Hybrid, CCI 450 primer

This load bugholes out of my 27in. Bartlein barrel... I don't have excess to a Chrono yet although...

41gr- 41.5gr. H4350 is a bugholer also, just find your barrels best .1 increment within that window and you will be happy....

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/05/2014

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I use the 288 with Berger bullets but gonna switch to 289 with the 123 Scenars as they seem to be a little fatter than the Bergers,,

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/05/2014

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I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/05/2014 Last edited 11/05/2014 by JBMdc

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Has anyone noticed anything different between CCI 400, 450m and BR4? Are you guys able to get low SD numbers using the 400s, 450s, vs BR4s?

 

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/06/2014

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I am shooting 39 grs RL15 and 123 Scenars,,have tried all 3 primers you listed and seem to get better results at 800-1000 yards with tthe 450 magnum primers,,I have not spent many rounds across chronie just checked a few after deciding on the load,,sometimes I will let a chronie talk me into using a load that doesnt shoot as well as another ,,



8 twist 28.25 inch 5R Bartlien with Lapua brass,CCI 450 primers 39 grs RL15 123 Scenars loaded to 2.720 with .020 jump shoots lights out and with 300 yard zero takes 7 minutes to zero at 600,13.5 at 800 and 21.25 at 1000

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/07/2014

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Looking for a little help with a load for a 6.5x47 Lapua with 108 Scenars. I realize that there are better bullets at the heavier weights but we have a shoot that has a weight limit. Barrel is a 26" Bartlein, 8 twist.

Any help is greatly appreciated...Sig Marine
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/07/2014

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I havent tried the 108 but have some and plan on it ,,I have shot some 100 NBT with IMR8208 and was getting 3200 fps and very good accuracy at 100 yards,,I never tried it any further but it shot the most impressive looking groups at 100 yards I have seen from this rifle,,

I started at 36 grs and worked up and finally just quit at 38.5 as the accuracy was unreal and 3200 seemed fast enough,,
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/07/2014

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JBMdc wrote: I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!​

I was shooting a .288 and was getting a lot of burned powder marks all over my necks. Just bought 3 bushings to try, (.289, .290, .291).... I figured the answers in them sizes some where. Going to try the .290 first.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/08/2014

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worked up 108 Scenar with IMR8208XBR today at 100 yards,,started at 35 as I cant find any data at all,,groups were around .75 CTC for 5 shots,started coming in at 37 and at 38.5 was tight clusters .275 CTC,,loaded 5 more and measured .305,



start low and work up

Lapua brass 1.840

CCI 450 primers

38.5 IMR 8208 XBR

108 Scenars 2.725 OAL



did not chronie and did not hit any pressure signs at 38.5,,accuracy was good and never even tried 39 grs,,have 20 loaded at 38.5 to try tomorrow at 600 and 800 yards,

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/10/2014

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JBMdc wrote: I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!​

I was shooting a .288 and was getting a lot of burned powder marks all over my necks. Just bought 3 bushings to try, (.289, .290, .291).... I figured the answers in them sizes some where. Going to try the .290 first.

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What causes the burnt powder marks? this happens to me very infrequently with my reloads in my 300 win mag. I use the Rediding dies with bushings.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/10/2014

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The first thing I thought of off the top of my head was that the neck was sized to small and didn't seal the neck chamber area right.. We'll see when I use this larger bushing I guess..

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/16/2014

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Would like to know if any of you fellas have tried xbr8208 with the 123 scenars or 130vlds.Some say varget works so I was thinking why not the 8208.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/17/2014

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mrbigone wrote:
worked up 108 Scenar with IMR8208XBR today at 100 yards,,started at 35 as I cant find any data at all,,groups were around .75 CTC for 5 shots,started coming in at 37 and at 38.5 was tight clusters .275 CTC,,loaded 5 more and measured .305,



start low and work up

Lapua brass 1.840

CCI 450 primers

38.5 IMR 8208 XBR

108 Scenars 2.725 OAL



did not chronie and did not hit any pressure signs at 38.5,,accuracy was good and never even tried 39 grs,,have 20 loaded at 38.5 to try tomorrow at 600 and 800 yards,​

Thanks for the start. Let us know how they shoot at mid-range distances.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/15/2014

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Anyone have sub-sonic loads for the 6.5x47?



Thanks.

 

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/17/2014

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Anybody have info on the following two bullets:



130 Swift Scirocco

129 Nosler AccuBond Long Range

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/20/2014

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123 Scenars

38.5 grs of Reloader 15

2911 fps out of my 26" Bartlein



I am aggravated that the newest (9th) edition of Hornady's Reloading Manual doesn't even list the 6.5x47. I wanted to see what they had for the 140 amax loads. I have lots of Reloader 15 and a few pounds of Reloader 17.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/24/2014

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123 Scenars jumped .005" in 8-twist Barelein 26". Wider nodes with Power Pro 2000MR than RL15. Using 41.5gr I get 3050fps, and 3" group at 1000 yd for two 3-shot groups.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/26/2014

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123 Scenars

38.5 grs of Reloader 15

2911 fps out of my 26" Bartlein



I am aggravated that the newest (9th) edition of Hornady's Reloading Manual doesn't even list the 6.5x47. I wanted to see what they had for the 140 amax loads. I have lots of Reloader 15 and a few pounds of Reloader 17.



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Sadly the only book I have seen that lists the 6.5x47 is the Berger book. If you know of any more that do I would like to add them to my collection.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/30/2014

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Living in the People's Republik of Kalifornia I have to use unleaded... Has anyone tried the 100 grain Barnes TTSX? If so I would appreciate powder and starting point for loads... Thanks!!!

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/03/2015

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/03/2015

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Painless300 wrote:


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JBMdc wrote: I kind of figured it would be between the .288 and .289. Went ahead and ordered my Redding FL Die Set and both of the mentioned bushings. Thanks guys!​

I was shooting a .288 and was getting a lot of burned powder marks all over my necks. Just bought 3 bushings to try, (.289, .290, .291).... I figured the answers in them sizes some where. Going to try the .290 first.

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What causes the burnt powder marks? this happens to me very infrequently with my reloads in my 300 win mag. I use the Rediding dies with bushings.​

Generally this means insufficient neck tension or necks need annealing.
If you think about sequence of events then you want the neck to release and seal against chamber behind launching bullet, if bullet launches before seal is formed then you get sooty necks from insufficient tension.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/04/2015 Last edited 01/04/2015 by myownman

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6.5X47 LAPUA/24"

40.5gr H4350

140 HYBRIDS

-.010 off here is a 5 shot group

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/15/2015

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Any data on the 123 Amax and R15?

Im trying 38g of R15 out of a 24in Brux and Thunderbeast suppressor. Any ideas on MV? Should be close to the scenars I assume

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/17/2015

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6.5 x 47 Lapua
Benchmark 8 twist barrel @ 25" not counting Schuler brake
42.2 gr RL 17
CCI 450
123 Amax
~.002 Neck Tension

Rifle/Ammo @ 70 degrees 3090 Ave MV for 5 shots, ES 18 SD 7

Softball size hole in coyote @ 375 and pretty resounding POP @ impact.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/19/2015

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Does anyone have any good load data for the 95gr Hornady V-Max ? I'm thinking about starting out with about 40gr of Varget, chrono it & see how it goes. Thoughts? Thanks, jl

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/21/2015

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Lapua Brass

CCI 450 Primer

Reloader 17 41.0 grains

140 A-Max

23" Criterion Barrel

2880 FPS



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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/12/2015

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Has anyone given hybrid 100 V a shot? I have a bunch of it, may give it a whirl.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/15/2015

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Anyone using Reloader 15 for 140 amax's? I am getting amazing velocities with Reloader 17 but inconsistent groups. My rifle shoots 123 Scenars really well with Reloader 15 so I am hoping to find a good load with it as well.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/17/2015

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Lapua Brass

CCI 450 Primer

Reloader 17 41.0 grains

140 A-Max

23" Criterion Barrel

2880 FPS





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How are you liking the Criterion? How is accuracy? Is it on a rem 700?
Close to ordering one for my 700 in 6.5x47
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/18/2015

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About to have a 6.5x47 built and have 8lbs of IMR 4350 left over from a 300 WSM that I no longer have and would like to use it. From the burn rate charts it seems it is very close to H4350 but I see no load data here. Anyone here used the IMR 4350 or have a opinion on it?



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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/19/2015

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Anyone using Reloader 15 for 140 amax's? I am getting amazing velocities with Reloader 17 but inconsistent groups. My rifle shoots 123 Scenars really well with Reloader 15 so I am hoping to find a good load with it as well.

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Found the load. I was seating the bullets too deep. Adjusted OAL to 2.7" and dropped the charge and nearly every charge was grouping well. Went with 39.3 grains of RL17 and was getting 2836 fps. Shooting a 26" Bartlein barrel suppressed with a Thunder Beast 30BA.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/19/2015

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This is the thread from the old board.

forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=189209
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/02/2015

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I was wondering if anyone was using the hornady match grade dies?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/02/2015

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All my dies are Redding but I would think Hornady dies would be fine.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/02/2015

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The only problem I have run into is the seating stem. I have the amax seating stem and when I put a 140gr Berger hybrid in it, it seems to hit the tip first before fully seating in the stem. The 140gr amax seems to seat fine. Just wondering if anyone has had this problem.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/07/2015

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Does anyone have a starting charge weight with the new IMR4166 and 130VLD's? I know the powder has a similar burn rate to Varget, but that doesn't mean the pressures the same.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/11/2015

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I run 39.4 g of h4350 behind my 123amx in 21.75" bartlein and get great accuracy and somewhere in the mid 2900's. RL15 is a touch faster and don' need as much somewhere in the 37.4-.6 range. I'd start at 36.8 and work ladder up from there.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/13/2015

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JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?​

I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/13/2015

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JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?​

I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.



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Remove the expander or keep reducing the diameter. Best to just remove it though.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/18/2015

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MMAJunkie wrote:

JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?​

I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.​

Yeah you need to remove the expander ball. By using the expander ball, you are negating the self centering neck you get by using the bushing die. There should be another depriming pin holder in your die box to replace the expander ball with.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/19/2015

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MMAJunkie wrote:

JBMdc wrote: Those of you running Redding type S FL Bushing dies; what bushing are you guys using .288 or .289?​

I would like to know what if anything you are doing about the neck expander in the re-sizing die? No matter what bushing I use as I retract the case it goes back across the neck expander and opens it back up. I have been slowly reducing the diameter of the neck expander in .0005" increments to see if I can get to the point that this doesn't keep happening. I can't be the only one though.​

My thinking on this process is that the neck bushing does little for neck tension when using the large expander ball. Even though you are making the neck .288 on the outside, the expander ball is going to create it's own diameter inside the neck thus changing your outside dimension. The way to compensate for this is to change the diameter of the expander ball to the diameter/tension you want the INSIDE of the neck to be. The way to do this would to purchase an expander ball kit from Whidden Gun Works and use it in conjunction with the appropriate neck sizing bushing to attain the desired neck tension. Others change out the expander ball to the small one provided with the dies and then use only the neck bushing to set tension.

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About to have a 6.5x47 built and have 8lbs of IMR 4350 left over from a 300 WSM that I no longer have and would like to use it. From the burn rate charts it seems it is very close to H4350 but I see no load data here. Anyone here used the IMR 4350 or have a opinion on it?

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I haven't personally used IMR 4350, but have heard of satisfactory results using approximately one grain less than the same load using H4350. IMR is probably a little more temperature sensitive. Give it a try, and post your results!
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03/31/2015

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CDIBBS wrote:

Painless300 wrote:
About to have a 6.5x47 built and have 8lbs of IMR 4350 left over from a 300 WSM that I no longer have and would like to use it. From the burn rate charts it seems it is very close to H4350 but I see no load data here. Anyone here used the IMR 4350 or have a opinion on it?

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I haven't personally used IMR 4350, but have heard of satisfactory results using approximately one grain less than the same load using H4350. IMR is probably a little more temperature sensitive. Give it a try, and post your results!​

I really appreciate the info. Ill work up a load and post it.​

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/17/2015 Last edited 04/17/2015 by 308struggles

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Trued rem 700
Criterion "Remage" 28 inch bull contour
37.8 H4350
140 Berger Hybrids .003" off the lands
2.176" to Ogive using the Hornady tool
CCI 450's
2720 fps using a V3 Magnetospeed
Shoots amazing, around .2 MOA. Never thought I'd own a rifle this accurate.
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05/04/2015

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I haven't tried the IMR 4350 with my 6.5X47 yet, but I'm using 40.5gr H4350 140 Hybrids. It also likes 37.5gr varget. With my 7-08, both 4350's use the same load. I wouldn't hesitate using the IMR with the 6.5 lapua.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
06/02/2015 Last edited 06/02/2015 by JBMdc
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[IMG2=JSON]{"alt":" photo 20150527_220042_zps6nblxa4k.jpg","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i57.photobucket.com\/albums\/g211\/jared87\/Mobile%20Uploads\/20150527_220042_zps6nblxa4k.jpg"}[/IMG2] Surgeon 591, 24" Benchmark 1:8, 36.0 Varget, CCI 400 (want to try 450s), 140 Hybrids .015 jump 2700fps with ES of 11 fps across all 15 shots on this target.

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06/06/2015

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Nice groups!
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
06/10/2015 Last edited 06/10/2015 by blakheaven

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Nice targets JMBdc, with wholes punched and like the shape and inch grid squares, where do you get these targets?
Going to start developing a load with Lapua Brass(once fired only neck sizing)
Br4 primers,
130 gr Berger VLD
RL 15
my question is anyone have experience with a similar load w the 130 vld and RL 15?
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06/10/2015

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blakheaven wrote: Nice targets JMBdc, with wholes punched and like the shape and inch grid squares, where do you get these targets?
Going to start developing a load with Lapua Brass(once fired only neck sizing)
Br4 primers,
130 gr Berger VLD
RL 15
my question is anyone have experience with a similar load w the 130 vld and RL 15?​

If you can find them I would change out the 130 VLD for the 130 AR Hybrids. They seem very promising.

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06/16/2015

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JBMdc wrote:
[IMG2=JSON]{"alt":" photo 20150527_220042_zps6nblxa4k.jpg","data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/i57.photobucket.com\/albums\/g211\/jared87\/Mobile%20Uploads\/20150527_220042_zps6nblxa4k.jpg"}[/IMG2] Surgeon 591, 24" Benchmark 1:8, 36.0 Varget, CCI 400 (want to try 450s), 140 Hybrids .015 jump 2700fps with ES of 11 fps across all 15 shots on this target.​

Not sure what happened, but my barrel has shown some signs of improvement.

Velocity dropped to 2690 fps with ES averaging 7fps. A little slower than I wanted, but the ES and down range performance has been great. Just hit 299 rounds, so the barrel could speed up a bit. Will have to wait and see.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
07/06/2015

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Just worked up a load for a switch-barrel build and any doubts I had about the ability of a chassis or mini-chassis to compete in accuracy with a bedded rifle are gone. I did the load work up on the 26" Bartlein 6.5x47L barrel with a Bighorn TL2 in a Manners mini-chassis and tested this past weekend. Not the fastest load, but damn it's accurate with 100 yard 5-shot groups of 3/8" and 300 yard groups of 1".

40.9 gr H4350
CCI 450 primers
Berger 140 Hybrids seated .005 off the lands
2783 fps
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
07/21/2015

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Has anyone tried the 130 hybrids yet? Going to load some this weekend. Should I use my same 130 vld load or work up again?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
07/23/2015

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Has anyone tried the 130 hybrids yet? Going to load some this weekend. Should I use my same 130 vld load or work up again?



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My load work up for 130gr hybrid is here:mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=541&f=5514&t=13843922

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
07/24/2015

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Looks good! Thanks man! How far did you seat from the lans?

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07/24/2015

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oakfig wrote:
Looks good! Thanks man! How far did you seat from the lans?​

.008"

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
08/12/2015

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I just picked up a Savage barreled action with a Shilen 6.5x47 barrel on it. I haven't shot it yet, but have been doing some searching and came across this. I'm sure someone will find it useful. Not sure how it will post, but if you want the link, I found it here: accurateshooter.com/featured/65x47

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
08/29/2015

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My brother just loaded up some Berger 130 AR projectiles. I'll send him this link and he should post up what he got.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
08/29/2015

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Just built a load using the Berger 130 AR Hybrids
20" Kreiger
CCI BR-4
39g Varget
jumping .0025
2833 fps - ES 6
Shoots very well al the way out to 1250 yds

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/02/2015

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Thats some pretty decent velocity out of a 20 inch barrel.

Painless300 wrote:
Just built a load using the Berger 130 AR Hybrids
20" Kreiger
CCI BR-4
39g Varget
jumping .0025
2833 fps - ES 6
Shoots very well al the way out to 1250 yds​

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/04/2015

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I'm getting one built using a Broughton 1:8 barrel. Focusing on 123 and 130 gr bullets. I have Varget and can get H4350. Are both good for these weight bullets, or is one better than the other?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/06/2015

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Criterion 26" 1:8. 123 scenars over 36.4 of Varget and 130 hybrids over 40 grns of h4350 are my best loads. Both run 2830 Fps. Picked up some imr 4350 today. Gonna give it a try since h4350 is getting hard to find.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/07/2015

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Thanks oak fig. I'd like to stay with Varget, since I use it for my 308. That's only if there's minimal difference between it and H4350. Just keeping it simple.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/12/2015

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I wanted my gun to shoot Varget too for the same reason, I couldn't get it to group at all for me on my 24 inch AX and 140's. It sucks because on my cousins 20 inch AXMC and 140's it hammers with 38 grains. So far H4350 seems to group better in a side by side ladder test at 325. I will post pictures in the reloading section for a more professional analysis.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/21/2015 Last edited 09/21/2015 by JBMdc

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Jake65mm wrote: I wanted my gun to shoot Varget too for the same reason, I couldn't get it to group at all for me on my 24 inch AX and 140's. It sucks because on my cousins 20 inch AXMC and 140's it hammers with 38 grains. So far H4350 seems to group better in a side by side ladder test at 325. I will post pictures in the reloading section for a more professional analysis.​

That is crazy, never heard of a x47 that wouldn't group well with Varget. My 300y ladder test was with 35.8-37.4 and printed a verticle of about 1.25" top to bottom of the test. I now attempt all ladder tests at 600y.



BTW an update from my last posting of velocity for my load.



CCI 400

36.0 Varget

140 Hybrid .015" jump

3735fps

24" Benchmark

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/22/2015

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JBMdc wrote:
CCI 400

36.0 Varget

140 Hybrid .015" jump

3735fps

24" Benchmark​

3735fps w. only 36gr of Varget!!!! Wow, got to love that barrel

Assuming you are at 2735...

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09/22/2015

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jbailey1 wrote:

JBMdc wrote:
CCI 400

36.0 Varget

140 Hybrid .015" jump

3735fps

24" Benchmark​

3735fps w. only 36gr of Varget!!!! Wow, got to love that barrel

Assuming you are at 2735...

MagnetoSpeed hasn't lied to me yet

But I think I will be switching to 130 hybrids.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/19/2015

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Seating depth testing with 130 Berger AR Hybrids at 300 yards.
I was using 41 grains of H4350, top left was -.005, top right -.010
bottom left -.015 and left -.020, out of frame was -.025 and the group shifted and opened up. Winds were tricky, 15-20 with 30 mph gusts coming from ~7:30, I tried to shoot when it wasn't gusting, dots are 2"

I am thinking between .010 and .015 may be the place to be.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/02/2015

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nilescoyote wrote: Seating depth testing with 130 Berger AR Hybrids at 300 yards.
I was using 41 grains of H4350, top left was -.005, top right -.010
bottom left -.015 and left -.020, out of frame was -.025 and the group shifted and opened up. Winds were tricky, 15-20 with 30 mph gusts coming from ~7:30, I tried to shoot when it wasn't gusting, dots are 2"

I am thinking between .010 and .015 may be the place to be.​

What barrel length and velocity? I had pressure at 37.9 Varget today running 2900 fps from 24" benchmark.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
11/12/2015

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108 Scenar

Lapua Brass

CC450 small rifle magnum primer

36.4gr ARComp

2.720" COAL

2947fps out of 20" barrel





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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/11/2015

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Shot these at 100 Yards. No Chrony data yet, but even at 37.5 grains, no signs of pressure.

Shilen 22" 1:8 Twist Pre Fit

6.5x47 Lapua

Virgin Brass

Varget

2.132" CBTO

130 Berger Hybrids

CCI 450 Primers

Top Targets: 35.2, 35.4, 35.6, 35.8, 36.0 All 5 Round Groups

Bottom Targets: 36.3, 36.6, 36.9, 37.2, and 37.5 All 4 Round Groups

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/30/2015 Last edited 01/18/2017 by Barney88PDC
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Lapua Brass
CCI 450
140 Berger Hybrid 2.780" OAL
Varget 37.3

2780 fps

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/01/2016

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Bartlien medium palma 28"

123 Amax

37.5gr Varget

seated .012

2900fps

.4 5 shot group

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/22/2016

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Reddding makes a BLACK pin retainer that holds the decapping pin and doesn't drag thru the neck. My Redding dies did not have these, and I recently obtained a couple from customer service. Send them a email or give them a call and they will fix you up.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/24/2016 Last edited 01/24/2016 by nilescoyote

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JBMdc wrote: What barrel length and velocity? I had pressure at 37.9 Varget today running 2900 fps from 24" benchmark.​

41 grains gave 2862 sd-12/es-33 for 5 and 42 grains gave 2921 sd-6/es-12 for 4 shots.

I had been using cci400 primers but popped a few in the Ruger Precision Rifle (bolt is not bushed) and retested those with thicker cupped CCI #41's with no issues. However, it was about 20 degrees cooler by the time I retested them.

Barrel is a 26" masterpiece chambered by Patriot Valley Arms.



My 140 Hybrid load using H4350 is running 2774

I have also used 139L and 140 a-max which all seem to shoot well in the 40.3-40.8 weight range

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
02/13/2016

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03/09/2016

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
03/13/2016

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39.0 Varget
130gr Hybrid
2.121" base to ogive
Converted Hornady 6.5 Creedmoor cases, trim to spec, 0.002 neck tension.
210M primers

Got me my best 5 shot group of my life, 0.411 at 100 yards.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/03/2016 Last edited 04/08/2016 by washington121

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Trued 700
Broughton 26'' barrel
2.073 to ogive
Cci 450
42.2 grains of h-4350
2971 fps
130 vld
Will confirm in another 100 rounds of that is where the velocity will stay

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/04/2016

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What bullet?

John

washington121 wrote:
Trued 700
Broughton 26'' barrel
2.073 to ogive
Cci 450
42.2 grains of h-4350
2971 fps​

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/08/2016

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130 vld edited my previous post

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/11/2016 Last edited 04/11/2016 by CavReconScout

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Timed & trued Stevens 200
Criterion 26" varmint barrel
Berger 130 AR Hybrid
CCI 450
41.7grs H4350
.015 off the lands, just over 200 rds on the barrel
2967fps with new Lapua brass
2937 fps with once fired

Last 4 rounds of the day @ 400yds

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/12/2016

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Factory DTA barrel, 8.5 twist 26", plenty of freebore.
130 berger ar hybrid
42.2 h4350
2.753 coal - roughly .020" jump
CCI br4.
2923 fps w/ Single digit 5 shot string ES

This same charge of 42.2 h4350 shoots great if you swap in cci 450s and/or 130 hunting vlds (2.783 coal to get same jump). Br4s seem to add 10 fps and tighten velocity extreme spreads from low teens to single digits.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
04/23/2016

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Anyone tried the Norma 130gr out of the 6.5x47L?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/01/2016 Last edited 05/01/2016 by cottonant

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6.5x47 Lapua

Defiance Deviant in a McMillan A5

Bartlein 8 twist 26" Heavy Palma

140 Berger Hybrid Seated +.005

41.0 H4350

CCI450

COAL 2.812 (Ogive = 2.118)



2805 fps (started out at 2755; chronographed 2805 fps at 187 rounds)



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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/04/2016

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26" Hawk Hill, chambered with the SAC match reamer:

140 Hybrid @ 2.775" COAL, ~.025" jump

IMR4451:

39.3 - 2715fps
39.6 - 2745fps
39.9 - 2755fps
40.2 - 2795fps - no ejector mark or stiff bolt, but starting to crater primer pretty good, a dead give away of a max sane load in this gun.

All shoot well (2" 12-shoot group of a hodgepodge combination these test loads @ 600 yards) but 39.9 is best; ~2" vertical @ 900 yards.
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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/05/2016

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Anybody try the Sierra 130 HPBT? I'm thinking about trying some.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/07/2016

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41.3 grains H4350
130 g Berger hybrid
2855 15 shot average across a magneto speed, SD of 16, ES of 38 from a 22" barrel. Still working with primer testing to get the numbers down.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/10/2016

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Ran this load over the weekend at a club match to 990ish yards with good success.



24" Benchmark 1:8 barrel with silencer (if that matters not sure)

130 Hybrids

37gr Varget

CCI 450

2852fps Average over 10 shots

ES of 9

SD of 4.3

 

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/16/2016 Last edited 05/23/2016 by SHbdubb

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Just a reference for speeds as no solid group data or ES/SD data has been recorded yet. I have just been running these loads for barrel break in during a few club matches. Not break-in procedures as mentioned all over the place, but just getting it past 200 rounds to get beyond the point that the barrel tends to speed up on some rifles. I'll do load development when time allows and post up more info then.



232 rounds down the barrel



26" Bartlein 1:8
130 Hybrids
Loaded to .001 off the lands
BR4 Primers
Unfired brass
Varget Powder



37.1gn = 2844 fps

38.3gn = 2942 fps

39.0gn = 2995 fps



**edit** added the 39.0gn velocity





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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
05/30/2016

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Anyone running the 143gr eld-x bullets?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
06/27/2016 Last edited 06/28/2016 by 317millhand

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Hornady 140 ELD m
KP 8 twist barrel 23"
40.6 gr H4350
2818 fps with SD of 6.
.010 off the lands
2.742 COAL

TBAC Ultra 9 suppressor

This load hammers in my rifle

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
06/27/2016

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Hey 317,



what primer?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
06/28/2016 Last edited 06/28/2016 by 317millhand

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pizfiz wrote:

Hey 317,

what primer?​

I tested FGMM (gm205m) primers and CCI br4. Did not change my numbers or accuracy any.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
06/28/2016

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Cool. Thanks!

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/09/2016

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CDIBBS wrote:

6.5 x 47 Lapua
Surgeon action AIAX chassis
130 Berger VLD
41.3 gr H4350
CCI 450
Benchmark 8 twist almost truck axle contour
~2900 fps (need to chrono with new powder lot)​

I shoot this same charge, primer and bullet out of a 25" Mullerworks and cannot touch that speed. It shoots 1/2"-3/4" at 200 but not nearly as fast. Any thoughts as to why?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
09/25/2016 Last edited 09/25/2016 by Hondo64d

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My load development consist of a mix of the ladder and OCW methods. I load and shoot three of each charge at the same POA at 500 yards. I then mark the center of each group and the charges that fall closest together are noted as my accuracy node. I typically load .4gr between each charge. Makes it easy to split the difference between charges when I find the node.



Anyway, I used this procedure for my 6.5x47 recently, with 130gr VLDs lightly kissing the lands, Varget and CCI 450s. I observed that all six shots from 37.4 and 37.8gr went into about 2" at 500 yards. That looked good to me, so I loaded up a bunch of 37.6gr and the result is below, also 500 yards. 26" Criterion barrel.

Did the same procedure using H4350 and 140gr ELDs. Loaded 40gr, 40.4gr, 40.8gr and 41.2gr. The first three charges put all nine shots into about 3" at 500 yards. I'm going to load up 40.4gr and call it good.



John

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/07/2016

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Started my load development for my new 6.5x47.
Hornady 140 ELD-M
IMR 4451
CCI 450 primers
OAL at ogive 2.111" which is .015" off the lands

Rifle is a bighorn action, 24" krieger Remington varmint built by John Beanland, and running a silencerco specwar. Has 174 rounds through it now

I loaded up 4 at each charge shot 1 of each to check velocity and for pressure then shot 3 shot groups at 200 at each charge.

38.9 2690fps .188" group on centers

39.3 2741fps ( I had 1 bullet that I accidentally seated deep so used that for velocity instead of group, might explain the jump in velocity) 1.058" group on centers. ( I had 2 into .213" centers, last shot the guy next to me shot his 300 mag right as I was breaking and I feel that I pulled the shot, might just be an excuse)

39.7 2726fps .6" centers
40.1 2759fps 1.06" centers
40.5 2794fps .823" centers
40.9 2823fps 1.838"
41.3 2832fps 1.482"
41.5 2834fps .246"
41.8 2877fps 1.13"

I had 1 very very light ejector mark at 40.9, and 41.3. I had 2 very light ejector marks at 41.5, and all 4 had light marks at 41.8

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/17/2016

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5RWill wrote:

Anyone tried the Norma 130gr out of the 6.5x47L?​

Can anyone even get Norma 130grn?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
10/20/2016 Last edited 10/20/2016 by JM4590
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5 Shot group @ 100 Yds

24" Bartlein Med Palma

Surgeon action

MPA chassis

Jewell trigger

NF ATACR

41.5 Grn H4350 / 130 Grn Berger VLD Target / Lapua Brass / CCI 450 Primer / 40 shots through barrel at this point. MV=2876 SD =8 Magneto Spd

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/17/2016 Last edited 12/17/2016 by BallisticPrimate

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6.5x47.
Surgeon 591
26" Shilen Rem Varmint

Sierra 142 SMK
Lapua Brass (1 x fired)
41 Grn H4350
CCI 450

2824fps - SD: 5. ES: 10 - Magneto Speed.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/22/2016

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FYI.........the Hodgdon/IMR website now lists loads for 6.5X47 Lapua.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/28/2016 Last edited 12/28/2016 by TSU99

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Lefty Tikka action
Bartlien Remington varmint 24" 8 twist
Manners T6A stock
Lapua brass
CCI 450 primers
36 grains varget
Hornady 143 ELD x
2.115 base to ogive
4 shot groups in the .2's

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/31/2016 Last edited 12/31/2016 by 5RWill

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Tempest Action in T4A Mini-chassis

Bartlein heavy palma finished at 24" 1:8 barreled by LRI with .123 freebore

Norma Golden target 130gr BTHP

Fed 205m

36gr IMR 4166

10 thousandths off the lands



2778fps

5 Shots at 100yds

I ran it like varget up to 37gr which i now realize is well above max. Seeing guys run as much as 39gr is the hodgon data conservative or is that just a specific scenario?

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
12/31/2016

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I've run Varget with 130gr bullets past 38gr with no pressure, 140's at 37.4 is my current load. Right at 2800fps. This is with a .167 freebore and a 26in barrel
130 Hybrids with 38gr Varget is right at 2900fps and it hammers also

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5RWill

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/01/2017

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Nice! I have marks on my brass but it looks like extractor swipe, looks nothing like any ejector or plunger mark i've ever seen. Granted it's the tempest and my first custom.

I had been loading on my balance beam all this time and 36 on that measured 36.2 on both my chargemaster and my gempro. So probably will change it to 36.2gr, maybe reshoot 36.5 and 37. I got sloppy after i shot the group above because i figured i'd found it.

Wish they would add IMR 4166 and 4155 to the 6.5x47L data on their site.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/01/2017 Last edited 01/09/2017 by 5RWill

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JM4590 wrote:

5RWill wrote:

Anyone tried the Norma 130gr out of the 6.5x47L?​

Can anyone even get Norma 130grn?​

JM, i actually received an email yesterday or so for the 500ct coming back in stock at midway. So while i think there is a wait, you can definitely get them. I plan on going to the 130gr AR Hybrid which is what i told chad i would shoot. Plus it can run dual purpose from what i've seen the hybrid line has become a fantastic line of hunting bullets.

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/08/2017

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6.5x47 Nimrod AS.H
25" Lothar Walther barrel
130gr JLK
Unfired Lapua Brass
41.7 Grn H4350
CCI 450
2.82 OAL
2862fps - SD: 6. ES: 13 - Magneto Speed.

Duplicate above specs but with 42.3 Grn H4350
=2912fps - SD: 8. ES:17

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Re: 6.5 x 47 Lapua
01/12/2017

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I just picked up a pound of H414 to try in my 6.5x47 and 22-250. Anyone tried it in the 6.5x47? How did it do for you?

Thanks,

John

 

[santee116]

Tagging in, got a 6.5x47 being built as we speak...

 

[Bull81]

Tag

 

[joker1-1]

tag.. whats i you OAL for 140 berger hybrids??

 

[Bull81]

6.5x47 Lapua
24" krieger 1 in 8 twist suppressed
lapua brass shoulder bumped back .002
cci br-4 primers
40.5 gr H4350
140 Hybrids kissing the lands
2762 fps ES 8 SD 5.6
.275 five rounds

Same rifle as above
42.2 gr H4350
130 VDL's kissing the lands
2873 fps ES 9 SD 3.1
.301 five rounds

 

[*Tavman*]

I'm brand new to PRS style shooting. I'm currently shooting a Ruger RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Being left handed I've quickly realized I need a left handed action. I'm having a rifle built in 6.5X47 Lapua. Since H4350 seems to be impossible to purchase I've been loading with IMR4451. Will IMR 4451 be an effective powder for 6.5x47? Do any of you have load data using it?

 

[Bull81]

I'm brand new to PRS style shooting. I'm currently shooting a Ruger RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Being left handed I've quickly realized I need a left handed action. I'm having a rifle built in 6.5X47 Lapua. Since H4350 seems to be impossible to purchase I've been loading with IMR4451. Will IMR 4451 be an effective powder for 6.5x47? Do any of you have load data using it?

Give varget a try as well, depending on what bullet you choose you'll have a little more room for seating. I have really good results out of the 140 RDF's and varget. The RDF's like to jump and with 4350 it was a very compressed load resulting in inconsistent seating depths.

 

[phxfa]

37.2-37.5 of Varget for 140 Hybrids, RDF's have more bearing surface though, I'd start at lower charge

 

[Bull81]

I've run up to 37.8 gr of varget with no pressure signs on the 140 RDF's but my accuracy load is 37.5. Your mileage may vary. I havnt run the hybrids with varget so I can't comment their but the above statement is true about the RDF's having more bearing surface though so you'll get higher pressures faster

 

[wilson1911]

I'm brand new to PRS style shooting. I'm currently shooting a Ruger RPR in 6.5 Creedmoor. Being left handed I've quickly realized I need a left handed action. I'm having a rifle built in 6.5X47 Lapua. Since H4350 seems to be impossible to purchase I've been loading with IMR4451. Will IMR 4451 be an effective powder for 6.5x47? Do any of you have load data using it?

I run 4451 in my 6x47L with 105's. Its a great shooter. 4451 = varget, but it shoots a bit dirtier imho.

In my 6.5x47L I am running Varget behind Berger 130 H-vld's @ 2975. I tried H4350, but it compresses a bit much and has less speed. You will run into pressure a small bit quicker with 4451 in a 6.5 over H4350 shooting 140's.

If your rifle is not chambered yet, you may think about a creedmoor again so you can run the ELD 147's. They seat pretty deep in the 47 cases tho, so I chose speed over running the heavies. With lapua brass out now, they will pressure up nicely. You could also run RL 16 if you chose a creed. Just throwing a few ideas out there for ya.

I normally run only vld's in my 47's so there is less compression. Varget/4451 will work with both the 130 and 140 bullets.

If you get your gun and still need a place to start, I can load up a few tester cases to give you an idea of speeds. I would first decide on what bullet you would like to shoot. As stated above, bearing surface will play a part in pressure.

 

[*Tavman*]

I run 4451 in my 6x47L with 105's. Its a great shooter. 4451 = varget, but it shoots a bit dirtier imho.

In my 6.5x47L I am running Varget behind Berger 130 H-vld's @ 2975. I tried H4350, but it compresses a bit much and has less speed. You will run into pressure a small bit quicker with 4451 in a 6.5 over H4350 shooting 140's.

If your rifle is not chambered yet, you may think about a creedmoor again so you can run the ELD 147's. They seat pretty deep in the 47 cases tho, so I chose speed over running the heavies. With lapua brass out now, they will pressure up nicely. You could also run RL 16 if you chose a creed. Just throwing a few ideas out there for ya.

I normally run only vld's in my 47's so there is less compression. Varget/4451 will work with both the 130 and 140 bullets.

If you get your gun and still need a place to start, I can load up a few tester cases to give you an idea of speeds. I would first decide on what bullet you would like to shoot. As stated above, bearing surface will play a part in pressure.

Thanks for the info, it is very helpful as I learn the ins and outs of precision loading. Loading .223 for 3 gun is a much simpler process

I haven't invested much into the process at this point aside from a set of 6.5 creedmoor dies. I am leaning towards the 6.5x47 for the longer barrel and brass life. I can use whatever bullets work. I was curious about IMR 4451 as I have a bunch. I can try other powders for the 6.5x47 as long as it isn't H4350. I'm not even sure H4350 is real, as I've never seen it in real life.

 

[wilson1911]

Be aware that with lapua making creed brass now, the 47's will not be so magical. If you worked your hornady brass, they were almost equal. If I had to choose a cartridge again, the creed makes a better argument over the 6.5x47L for 1 reason....powder selection. You have to watch like a hawk to find H4350 while RL16 is at the store in 8#'s.

I ran some 4451 thru a creed I had. It took a bit more powder, but my SD was lower with H4350. The exception to this are the lapua 308 converts I was running, the 4451 ran well.

I only shoot local matches, but there are some guys already running the 6 and 6.5 creeds on lapua brass. Both run very well. I live in a dominant 47's world here. It's track record speaks for itself. The creed is just the newer kid on the block.

 

[Cody S]

40.4gr H4350 and Cci 450 primer with 140 eld or 142smk both 60 thou off(long freebore) hammers at 2750 about 1" of elevation dispersion @ 300 and i blame some of that on lack of annealing or cleaning.

 

[5RWill]

Be aware that with lapua making creed brass now, the 47's will not be so magical. If you worked your hornady brass, they were almost equal. If I had to choose a cartridge again, the creed makes a better argument over the 6.5x47L for 1 reason....powder selection. You have to watch like a hawk to find H4350 while RL16 is at the store in 8#'s.

I ran some 4451 thru a creed I had. It took a bit more powder, but my SD was lower with H4350. The exception to this are the lapua 308 converts I was running, the 4451 ran well.

I only shoot local matches, but there are some guys already running the 6 and 6.5 creeds on lapua brass. Both run very well. I live in a dominant 47's world here. It's track record speaks for itself. The creed is just the newer kid on the block.

Are you trying to get people to stop buying 6.5x47L brass so you can get some? lol

6.5x47L isn't going anywhere even with the introduction of Lapua 6.5CM brass. The cartridge is too damn efficient, too accurate, and already has a very well established reputation. It's always given up speed to the other 6.5s but it's brass life is still impeccable, even by Lapua standards.

How does the creed make a better argument in regards to powder? I think that's completely subjective.

 

[wilson1911]

Not at all brother !!! lol

Where I live the 47's dominate. They have been the best cartridge for years..and will continue to hold their own. I will say that I think they perform best with a slight compression. My varget load is just below getting compressed, but runs well. They are the workhorse of the 6 and 6.5 world.

Much of it is what bullet you are wanting to shoot. Everyone I know runs H4350 in their 6.5's. This is the focus of that statement. You can't just walk into the store and pick up a few 1 or 8#'s of it. I was also thinking in the back of my mind the new 147's. I have several thousand of them, but decided to go for speed since they seat really deep. In the creed case, you can run 4451, 4350, rl 16, 4831sc with it. I have a new creed in the build barn and its going to get the 147's with RL16 I think. It will run 2800 on the new lapua brass.

For the record, I own a 6x47 and 6.5x47. The 6.5 is my current match gun. They do not give up speed imho. Performance is subjective, but being able to buy powder is not. Stack it deep.

SAC alpha II action
Bartlein med palma 24" barrel-shot suppressed
CBTO 2.118
Berger H-VLD 130 running at 2940 fps. SD/ES 3/9
38 grains Varget
205mar primers

 

[5RWill]

Loaded up some groups with the 130gr hybrids and IMR 4166 from 36-37gr in 1/2gr increments. Thus far much more consistent than the Normas. I'm going to see if i can manage to push further as i haven't come across pressure signs yet and other than my fault with fliers 36 and 37 look pretty decent. I think i can tighten up 37gr. I hope i can get 2900fps this time around.

 

[phxfa]

Loaded up some groups with the 130gr hybrids and IMR 4166 from 36-37gr in 1/2gr increments. Thus far much more consistent than the Normas. I'm going to see if i can manage to push further as i haven't come across pressure signs yet and other than my fault with fliers 36 and 37 look pretty decent. I think i can tighten up 37gr. I hope i can get 2900fps this time around.

Varget will get you there,,,38.0 @.020 off shot silly,,,2915fps IIRC

 

[5RWill]

Varget will get you there,,,38.0 @.020 off shot silly,,,2915fps IIRC

That's the backup plan as a buddy of mine on here shoots that exact load almost. I just am straying away from varget cause 2-3 of our rifles currently use it.

 

[Hondo64d]

I've posted this elsewhere too, but seems like it may be a good fit here.

Occurred to me that since the 147gr ELDs are such heavy for caliber bullets that maybe a slower than normal burning powder might work well. Turned out to be so. Here's 10 shots from my 6.5x47 with 7828ssc. Didn't chrono this particular charge, but 41.2gr clocked about 2715. I suspect these will run about 2740.

John

 

[Bull81]

I've posted this elsewhere too, but seems like it may be a good fit here.

Occurred to me that since the 147gr ELDs are such heavy for caliber bullets that maybe a slower than normal burning powder might work well. Turned out to be so. Here's 10 shots from my 6.5x47 with 7828ssc. Didn't chrono this particular charge, but 41.2gr clocked about 2715. I suspect these will run about 2740.

John

Very interesting what's your barrel length?

 

[Hondo64d]

26"

 

[mj1995]

I saw a couple guys in here with 21-22"barrels. Anybody running a 18-20 incher with 120-130 grain bullets?

 

[Bull81]

I saw a couple guys in here with 21-22"barrels. Anybody running a 18-20 incher with 120-130 grain bullets?

I have no first hand experience with the shorter barrels, but I've seen post from people with 18-20 in barrels with pretty good results. I would think with the 120-130 class pills it would be fine especially with something like varget behind it vs H4350

 

[NELAshooter]

My match loads,

140 Berger Hybrid
37.4 grains Varget
cci 41 primer
2.075" to ogive
2786 fps, 24" barrel
about 1.5" vertical at 600 yards


130 Berger Hybrid
36.6 grains H4895
cci br4 primer
2.085" to ogive
~2850 fps, 24" barrel
less than 1" vertical at 600 yards

my practice load is the similar to the first. Change the 140 Hybrid to the 140 Barnes Matchburner and seat 2.085" to the ogive.

My rifle:
Defiance Deviant SA, nitrided
24" HH Marksman w/ Impact brake
KMW Sentinel
Timney Calvin Elite

 

[Stainless31]

Give varget a try as well, depending on what bullet you choose you'll have a little more room for seating. I have really good results out of the 140 RDF's and varget. The RDF's like to jump and with 4350 it was a very compressed load resulting in inconsistent seating depths.

I am also running H4350 under a 140 RDF and you have to use a drop tube in order to reduce the amount of compression/ seating depth inconsistencies.

 

[5RWill]

Anyone tried RL16 yet? I'm thinking once i run out of 4166 i might try some, but i'm also sitting on 16lbs of varget.

 

[Bull81]

Anyone tried RL16 yet? I'm thinking once i run out of 4166 i might try some, but i'm also sitting on 16lbs of varget.

i can't comment on the RL16 but I've had excellent results with varget. I started using varget instead of 4350 when I switched over the the 140 RDF's. 37.5 gr of varget gives me 2760 fps single digit SD's and groups in the .2's

 

[5RWill]

i can't comment on the RL16 but I've had excellent results with varget. I started using varget instead of 4350 when I switched over the the 140 RDF's. 37.5 gr of varget gives me 2760 fps single digit SD's and groups in the .2's

We run varget in pretty much all our rifles at the house. Which is why i went to 4166 or generic varget rather lol. It's given me okay velocity. I was running 36.2gr with the 130gr normas and have since pushed to 37gr with the 130gr AR Hybrid. Are you seeing any pressure signs above 37? I know max is considered 36gr for both varget and 4166 but i have a friend as i said before running 38gr. Trying to reach 2900fps if i can but i will take 2800-2850 if i must. Thinking i'm going to do Scott Saterlee's latter test with 10rds in .2 increments and see how it fairs.

 

[Bull81]

We run varget in pretty much all our rifles at the house. Which is why i went to 4166 or generic varget rather lol. It's given me okay velocity. I was running 36.2gr with the 130gr normas and have since pushed to 37gr with the 130gr AR Hybrid. Are you seeing any pressure signs above 37? I know max is considered 36gr for both varget and 4166 but i have a friend as i said before running 38gr. Trying to reach 2900fps if i can but i will take 2800-2850 if i must. Thinking i'm going to do Scott Saterlee's latter test with 10rds in .2 increments and see how it fairs.

I've run up to 38 gr without any pressure signs but accuracy fell off the higher I went. 37.5 is actually a fairly mild load in my rifle. You should be able to reach 2900 fps pretty easy with the 130's as for the 140's I'd say that be a far reach. I'm running a 24 in barrel and with 40.5 gr of H4350 was getting 2890 fps with the 130 vdl's. I havnt tried any 130's with varget though.

 

[Bull81]

We run varget in pretty much all our rifles at the house. Which is why i went to 4166 or generic varget rather lol. It's given me okay velocity. I was running 36.2gr with the 130gr normas and have since pushed to 37gr with the 130gr AR Hybrid. Are you seeing any pressure signs above 37? I know max is considered 36gr for both varget and 4166 but i have a friend as i said before running 38gr. Trying to reach 2900fps if i can but i will take 2800-2850 if i must. Thinking i'm going to do Scott Saterlee's latter test with 10rds in .2 increments and see how it fairs.

If speed is of big importance to you I was able to get 3000 fps with the 130 vdl's with reloder 17. I can't remember the charge weight off the top of my head but I did have a hint of hard bolt lift but just a hint. The only problem with reloder 17 is it's so temp sensitive. I had great accuracy with various loads using reloder 17 but moved on because of the temp issues

 

[5RWill]

If speed is of big importance to you I was able to get 3000 fps with the 130 vdl's with reloder 17. I can't remember the charge weight off the top of my head but I did have a hint of hard bolt lift but just a hint. The only problem with reloder 17 is it's so temp sensitive. I had great accuracy with various loads using reloder 17 but moved on because of the temp issues

It's of some importance but not to the point i'd be willing to switch to a temp insensitive powder.

 

[pitdog85]

anyone here got data or tried the 108 scenar or 107 matchking, the matchking G7.230 form factor .954. Hodgon lists max loads around 39g of varget for the 107 matchking and 3100fps, I run this through JBM and it looks very promising. Ive got 123 scenars and as I understand the 108 scenar is the exact same shape with less lead so I could load them to the same length.

 

[Hondo64d]

More results from 7828ssc. I'm finding this powder to be a very viable option in the x47 with 140gr and heavier bullets. My rifle has a .167 freebore which puts a 140gr hybrid far enough up the neck when touching the lands to leave plenty enough room for a slower burning powder. Results are in the attached picture. Good accuracy and good SDs. These are five shot groups. Haven't even played with seating depth yet. Also going to try 42.4gr.

Have also tried it with the 147gr ELDs and got pretty good velocity (2740) and decent accuracy. That's a ten shot group.

John

 

[BallisticPrimate]

6.5 x 47 Lapua
Shilen 1:8 23.4 inch
140gr RDF
Lapua 2 x Fired Case
40.9 gr H4350
CCI 450 Primer
.030 off lands
2795fps (Magneto)

6.5 x 47 Lapua
Shilen 1:8 23.4 inch
130gr Berger Hybrid
Lapua 2 x Fired Case
41.9 gr H4350
CCI 450 Primer
.020 off lands
2911fps (Magneto)

6.5 x 47 Lapua
Shilen 1:8 23.4 inch
130gr JLK
​​​​​​​Lapua 2x Fired Case
42.3 gr H4350
CCI 450 Primer
.020 off lands
2921fps (Magneto)

 

[TSU99]

Anyone have any load data using Varget shooting 123 grain Matchkings? What kind of MV are you getting?

 

[mrbig]

anybody tried the 147 ELD-M and if so with what powders and are you able to get 2750 fps with a 27.5 inch bbl,,,,if I cant get to 2750 accurately I will just stick with what I am shooting now,,,
thanx

 

[Hondo64d]

anybody tried the 147 ELD-M and if so with what powders and are you able to get 2750 fps with a 27.5 inch bbl,,,,if I cant get to 2750 accurately I will just stick with what I am shooting now,,,
thanx

See my post above too. From my 26" Criterion barrel, I got 2750 with H4350 but that load was too hot, showing some ejector hole marks. 7828ssc gave me 2740 with no pressure signs and I probably could have upped the charge a little. I'm thinking 4831sc would work well with the 147s too.

John

 

[Hondo64d]

See my post above too. From my 26" Criterion barrel, I got 2750 with H4350 but that load was too hot, showing some ejector hole marks. 7828ssc gave me 2740 with no pressure signs and I probably could have upped the charge a little. I'm thinking 4831sc would work well with the 147s too.

John

So, a buddy of mine tried 4831sc behind 147gr ELDs from his x47 with very poor results. Velocities were extremely slow. He ran out of case capacity before getting to even 2500fps. This was from a 24" Bartlein. Not sure why 7828ssc has worked so much better for me in my x47. 4831sc and 7828ssc are not very far apart in the burn rate charts. It is possible that my lot of 7828ssc is just abnormally fast burning, as it gives much higher than expected velocities from my son's .270.

Anyway, it appears that 4831sc is a no-go in the x47 case.

John

 

[mrbig]

I tried the 142 Nosler LRAB and RL19 a couple days ago,,I only did pressure tests to find what the max charge would be and if in fact I could get enough RL19 in the 47L case to get a max charge,,,all while checking for speed with the Magnetospeed V2 ,,

I shot 2 shots per charge starting at 43 grs and worked up .5 at a time and with a 12" drop tube and a slow pour was able to get 45 grs RL19 in the case to the bottom of the neck and 45 grs RL19 with the 142 LRAB clocked 2912 and 2915 for the 2 shots,,,,I think that is enough good news to buy a box of the 147s and see if I can get any kind of accuracy from them and make enough speed for them to be worthwhile,,

there are lots of powders now days between H4350 and RL22 to try and there very well could be something that will make use of these 147s in the 47mm Lapua case,,

 

[pitdog85]

Hondo I'm still keen to give the 4831sc a try in my 47. Is anyone here mathematically inclined want to have a go at how much 4831sc I could fit in using 140 RDF overall length 1.420, my freebore is .250. If I seated these out to the lands they should be around 2.9 COAL. But I have seen people back calculate how much powder you could get in based on these variables but I'm not very math inclined anyone wanna have a guess?

 

[mrbig]

If gambeling I would set the over under at 45.2 grs using a drop tube and a slow swirl pour,,,if dumping from a measure 43.5

I didnt have any trouble getting 45 grs of RL19 in and not have any up in the neck,,,but my brass is one of the old lots of Gold Box

 

[Hondo64d]

37gr Varget behind 140gr Berger Hybrid seated at lands. 2778fps from my 26" Criterion barrel. 4 shots at 830 yards. 3.5" group.

John