Posting this up for a buddy who isn't a member, but could use some help. He had a .22 suppressor transferred to a local gun shop, and then when he went to pick it up (paperwork approved), they informed him that they no longer had an NFA guy there to transfer the can to him. They have now had the can for about 5 months, and refuse to do anything with it. Is there any recourse in this situation? Or is my buddy screwed?
Suppressors Advice on dealing with a screw up
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Re: Advice on dealing with a screw up
Call the local ATF field office and have them pay a visit to this FFL. They cannot hold your property hostage.
Call the local ATF field office and have them pay a visit to this FFL. They cannot hold your property hostage.
Re: Advice on dealing with a screw up
If they no longer have an NFA guy shouldn't they have transfered all NFA items and paperwork to other dealer.
He should not be in possesion of NFA items anymore.
If they no longer have an NFA guy shouldn't they have transfered all NFA items and paperwork to other dealer.
He should not be in possesion of NFA items anymore.
Re: Advice on dealing with a screw up
If the form 4 forms are approved by the BATFE to transfer to him, there is no NFA guy. The store needs to have him fill out a form 4473 if they still have a FFL. He should contact the store and tell them he needs his product and if they can not provide it to him, he is contacting his local BATFE office to assist the store in turning his product over to him.
If the form 4 forms are approved by the BATFE to transfer to him, there is no NFA guy. The store needs to have him fill out a form 4473 if they still have a FFL. He should contact the store and tell them he needs his product and if they can not provide it to him, he is contacting his local BATFE office to assist the store in turning his product over to him.
Re: Advice on dealing with a screw up
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David Hineline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the form 4 forms are approved by the BATFE to transfer to him, there is no NFA guy. The store needs to have him fill out a form 4473 if they still have a FFL. He should contact the store and tell them he needs his product and if they can not provide it to him, he is contacting his local BATFE office to assist the store in turning his product over to him. </div></div>
If he transferred as an individual, they need to make and file a copy of the form 4, and also fill out and file a 4473- the individual form 4 constitutes a background check. The A&D book needs to be ammended to show the transfer of the suppressor.
If he transferred as a trust or corp they need to make and file a copy of the form 4 and also fill out a 4473 and call the NICS to get a background check prior to filing the 4473 with approval #. The A&D book needs to be ammended to show the transfer of the item.
Both of these things they can do if they have an FFL and a working phone. I agree that calling the BATF's local field office might make sense, but I would probably mention that as my only recourse prior to doing it, just as a courtesy.
That might get them moving on it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David Hineline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the form 4 forms are approved by the BATFE to transfer to him, there is no NFA guy. The store needs to have him fill out a form 4473 if they still have a FFL. He should contact the store and tell them he needs his product and if they can not provide it to him, he is contacting his local BATFE office to assist the store in turning his product over to him. </div></div>
If he transferred as an individual, they need to make and file a copy of the form 4, and also fill out and file a 4473- the individual form 4 constitutes a background check. The A&D book needs to be ammended to show the transfer of the suppressor.
If he transferred as a trust or corp they need to make and file a copy of the form 4 and also fill out a 4473 and call the NICS to get a background check prior to filing the 4473 with approval #. The A&D book needs to be ammended to show the transfer of the item.
Both of these things they can do if they have an FFL and a working phone. I agree that calling the BATF's local field office might make sense, but I would probably mention that as my only recourse prior to doing it, just as a courtesy.
That might get them moving on it.
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Being that a trust or LLC is not a person, you dont have to call a 4473 in. They have a box for that now on the forms. You check that and file it. There is no need to call it in. Some people will argue that the person picking it up should have the 4473 called in, but if you are a person written into the trust and picking up the can unlawfully, that is a federal offense.
So you would have to be plain retarded to take an item that belonged to a trust and use it outside of the laws.
Being that a trust or LLC is not a person, you dont have to call a 4473 in. They have a box for that now on the forms. You check that and file it. There is no need to call it in. Some people will argue that the person picking it up should have the 4473 called in, but if you are a person written into the trust and picking up the can unlawfully, that is a federal offense.
So you would have to be plain retarded to take an item that belonged to a trust and use it outside of the laws.
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