Ok…voting “realists”. What’s the plan? Because it seems like the plan is to sit back, do nothing, and complain about results. Are you organizing for better candidates, even at the local levels?
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The Q followers were right about one thing--"Nothing can stop what is coming..."
We ain't voting our way out of this.
We ain't voting our way out of this.
So was Vivek...
Whatever you think positive would happen from "securing" the border would simply ensure the economy does not grow and your social security dollars would go further into the shitter with no growth of the work force.
FYI: anyone who tells you they're a capitalist but wants the government to control immigration is just a socialist masquerading as a capitalist.
Interesting take, can you elaborate on the connection between border and workforce? Is there meat there or are you mainly just saying so many ppl coming in through borders a [x]% are paying taxes (SS)? and more taxpayers is more potential customers (fluid) for economy.
Incorrect. Cut off the immigration and tell all the working age people that are on welfare...
"Checks stop in 90 days, we have jobs available."
"Or you can starve. Work gloves and boots available at the check in register."
I guess I say the same thing you’re doing.
You serious? I mean yeah best thing to do is work local and go up from there but more often than not local is just as corrupt, if not more so as the national level. It might just not be as out in the open.
Why give them 90 days?
That isn't going to change the fact that our population is aging and the birth rate is at all-time lows.
Capitalism requires that labor be able to flow over the border where there are jobs. Presently, there is considerable unmet demand for people to work, a problem that will continue and get much worse the more our economy grows. Getting rid of the welfare state is a laudable goal, one I agree with. But in a capitalist society, it is up to markets, not government or you, to determine who immigrates here to find work. I did not decide this. That is the nature of capitalism--nobody gets to decide what the market, in a macro sense, demands.
This was the law for the first 150+ years of this country's existence. The framers would have considered it preposterous that the national government restrict immigration. I don't know why anyone who claims to support liberty would want to give the government that power. But I also like pointing out that there is an economic system where massive economic decisionmaking is done by the government, and it is called state socialism, just like the Soviet Union attempted.
I belive in fair, time to get affairs in order, get ready to move to a CCW camp or the like.
You think they would look at the situation we are in now and say, "this is fine, keep 'em coming boys." No fucking way. The framers would also look at our politicians and think they should just about all be hung to the last man.
Personally I think we should go really fricking close to super isolationist for a solid 10 years. Immigration should only be allowed for grade A1 geniuses. Everybody else can piss up a rope.
At the very least kick out all non-U.S. citizens not here on legitimate visas. And some of those should probably go too. You want to work here and not be a citizen? Go live in Canada or Mexico and come across daily for your work. And you're also paying taxes here you fucks. I agree with @Maggot on his work or starve premise. The free shit brigade needs to be brought low.
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The government has disincentivized “family” and done all it can to create that shitty situation.
Capitalism is great when it is producing for the people.
When it is corrupted to provide for govt than things get messed up.
The framers would NEVER, none of them, not even the federalists, support empowering the national government in this way. So yes, I absolutely believe that. The framers would support armed revolution before they would allow the national government control over something so important. They understood the importance of limited government way more than you. They just got finished defeating the world's largest empire to get their freedom. They sure as hell wouldn't just give power to government without really thinking about it. And in their day, capitalism was in its infancy, so few things were more important than ensuring that markets made these decisions.
and no, I don't want to compare us to Canada or Mexico. If they want to live in socialist shitholes, that is their call. We don't compare our country to other ones, they compare themselves to us. I don't give a shit what they do.
If there is no "free shit" brigade, there is simply coming here to work. Which the evidence overwhelmingly shows that they are doing, to meet unmet labor demand. No amount of government policy is ever going to change that, either. Capitalism exists whether people like it or not.
Keep saying this to yourself over and over: it is up to markets, not government, and not me, to determine who immigrates. That will never, ever change.
I only worship God; to no human being. I don’t think this country can be saved. How can one expect self governance when 90% of the population are retarded? Having said that, i enjoyed most of policies during 45 administration. He is flawed. Most of us knew about it. We voted for him anyways. Among these candidates; for sure Trump gets my vote.
One thing...
That would be a image of Thor, not Odin.
Remember, Odin gave up an eye for wisdom and Thor had the winged helm.
Another thing that should be remembered.
Most votes for Trump were not votes for Trump, they were votes against Killary.
Exactly. There is nothing stopping what is coming and it ain't the saviour the Q cult think it is.
even still - less than 50% of illegals crossed are working steady and paying IRS. The numbers wouldn't add up
That's interesting though because I was guna tie it to Labor Participation Rate but found that those numbers explicitly say 'civilian' - some hocus pocus reasoning
do you have anything further on this exact mechanism; where is this huge void of demand in business markets?
I get the generality of yea [x] happened so one could assume [y] resulted etc........but can you tie any of that to reality you care to explain?
I haven’t seen any illegal pay taxes. None of this is directed to you by the way. I’m just quoting you cause you quoted the other guy and I’m genuinely curious as well. Anyways most illegals work under the table. That’s why you always see them driving them expensive trucks. Everybody likes to say they doing all the jobs that Americans won’t do which I think is BS! All I see the Mexicans doing around here at best is illegally working in the food industry, construction and landscaping. That’s it and I also see Americans working those same jobs. If there wasn’t free shit you’d see more Americans doing the job they supposedly won’t do.
I wish for a hot pornstar to get elected as president with the requirement she has to suck everyone's dick that voted for her. At least when I get fucked by the government I would have blown my load on the presidents face.
It sounds like all you care about is what the government can benefit from its people. Taxes? Really?
The evidence that immigration (legal or illegal) has net positive results is well established. I don't think you really care about the facts, but if you do, you won't agree with where I tell you to read, so just do it for yourself. Although I'll leave this link below as a starting point, so you can get an idea of why it is capitalism and markets, and not anything to do with the law, that explains why people are coming here.
Markets exist to serve people and not the other way around. That same response is relevant to taxes; I would prefer nobody pay income taxes, so my envy of people who have compromised their lifestyle to not have to pay them is not a policy argument.
Good grief. Do you know how to read? If you are nodding your head up and down. Read this again....
IF the Vote is Legit. Tell me what anyone elected to the presidency can do about what you just read.
Has your head been up your ass for the last 8 years? I'll give you a pass for the 8 years before that. Installing the Kenyan was very smooth and only a small percentage of the population caught on.
Disengage? Or refuse to participate in the Hoax? Refuse to be a stooge?
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why even post political shit online? Just to create a facade that perhaps you have a mediocre level of intelligence but your paranoia side has jaded you so far its like I might as well talk to a stump.
Im not here to argue any of you, I asked you both to elaborate on decent points but too vague (crystallize them with specific detail) - you can either show how good your research is and show me the good stuff or you can hide behind the fact you know your research is bullocks so lets create these general vagaries.
It's supposed to be like a mini un filtered random focus group. So far the main takeaway is - nobody agrees/believes et al. what American Democracy really is anymore - we spoiled, ppl out there ppl on here y'all are SPOILED!
It's supposed to be like a mini un filtered random focus group. So far the main takeaway is - nobody agrees/believes et al. what American Democracy really is anymore - we spoiled, ppl out there ppl on here y'all are SPOILED!
Facts are fictional.
One can find facts to support any argument they choose.
Tell us who you are voting for
False. You have a distorted view of [facts]. You're argument applies more directly to statistics - those can be skewed to mean anything you want them to.
You can find contrary POVs well yeah, doesn't make it fact those are individual opinions.
Facts are provable - like a theory in science. Is there areas that are incorrect in hindsight, almost always, tweak them and keep what continues to hold true. The problem today is people introduce psychology and are able to manipulate other people (advertising) because at that point it's a contest of who do YOU believe - and how well rounded are your beliefs; should they even be used as a standard.
Don't play such childish games.
Im interested to know the impression I give off - you tell me.
Ive trashed Vivek as an option
Ive jabbed DeSantis here and there
Ive complained about Trump running the same plays as last cycle - evolve
I actually think the best scenario for GOP is to get Haley and DeSantis to coalesce before New Hampshire - fat chance though I kno
Biden is well what do I have to say there; astounded DNC doesn't show him the door
Kamala, Newsom, RFK (someone disgruntled 3rd party run - including Trump)
Ill say I voted for Trump every time I could
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Darn Yankee at it again - master manipulator. I still answered and you are still dodging again.
No, you didn't answer. You answered by saying "you tell me" and went on with some bullshit ranting. You are the type if asked what is 2+2 you answer by asking what is 5-1.
You asked what impression you give off. I answered with a direct straight response. You believe in magic.
My answer was:
Im not going to tell you who Im voting for in future - I don't even truly know. So I gave you my critiques of each option - in a deluded effort to be even keeled. Then if this last part didn't give a strong indication idk what will - "voted for Trump every time I could"
Is anybody else confused by this?
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What you did was take the part you liked the least, extracted it entirely from any context I had provided, then plastered it in ur reply as if that was all I said about Haley DeSantis - ERASING the part directly after saying "fat chance though I kno"
Im not going to tell you who Im voting for in future - I don't even truly know. So I gave you my critiques of each option - in a deluded effort to be even keeled. Then if this last part didn't give a strong indication idk what will - "voted for Trump every time I could"
Is anybody else confused by this?
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What you did was take the part you liked the least, extracted it entirely from any context I had provided, then plastered it in ur reply as if that was all I said about Haley DeSantis - ERASING the part directly after saying "fat chance though I kno"
It's your reality. Enjoy the awesome show.
That was not your answer. It's just a few posts above.
I put that in my reply to show how much you believe in the Kabuki theater. Like or dislike had no role in my response.
There's no question to dodge/avoid.
You are the only one that avoided answering what any candidate can do about the corruption in the alphabet branch, judicial branch, legislative branch, executive branch and the media.
But please do accuse me of what you are doing. Everyone can read it.
Is this another 5-1 answer?
your opinion is none of them can accomplish anything?
my opinion is Id rather have an [elected] president standing in the White House vs having no elected president standing in the White House....
Bwaaaahahaha. You said elected.
Senate, House and white house in total republicant control and what did they do? Repeal and replace Kenyan Care? Nope. Build the border wall? Nope. Cut the deficit? Nope. Anything for the 2A? Nope. Shut down the Russia collusion hoax? Nope. Actually they allowed it to advance. Get our troops out of shitstan or Iraq? Nope.
They could have passed anything and didn't do jack shit. They did send me a bunch of mail asking for money to get reelected after 20. They said that they would pursue the Trump agenda if I'd send them money. In the dollar amount I asked them why they didn't when he was there and sent them back. I guess I am not on the list anymore since I stopped receiving them.
Since you believe in the Kabuki theater. Tell us what you think that any of the candidates is going to accomplish.
You've convinced me.
I was being stupid - please tell me what to think.
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An election is an unknown
It's fun to bet on unknowns
It's fun to try to predict the unknowns
It's fun to test how closely your view of reality mirrors actual reality
8==> You are BEING a fun sucker
I was being stupid - please tell me what to think.
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An election is an unknown
It's fun to bet on unknowns
It's fun to try to predict the unknowns
It's fun to test how closely your view of reality mirrors actual reality
8==> You are BEING a fun sucker
For a time I considered that your account was being run by AI, artificial intelligence. I am satisfied that I was wrong in that assessment. Clearly you are LI, lacking intelligence.
Hey man we aren't going anywhere. I respect your position, I just disagree on some things.
hey,is that the way to stop them sending shit? have to try that. even the 3 (judical watch,hillsdale and heritage) that i do support a little and occasionally send me too much shit. i get tired of chapter and verse. i know the election was stolen; that covid was a fauci funded chinese bio weapon; i know the response to covid was an experiment in population control; i know fbi,atf,doj,cia are being used as political weapons by the dems; that ukraine is coverup for biden crimes; that we are being subjected to a massive invasion by untermensch; that crime is being allowed for a purpose; that trans shit is a final blow to conventional understanding of family; that the schools at all levels have successfully propagandized 3 generations; that our military is an empty institution; that the greens are successfully destroying our power supply. i also know that there is not shit i can do about it except try and prepare myself for the coming apocalypse. yea will vote. not doing so is disrespectful of my parents gen that fought believing in "american democracy". yes,they were manipulated,abused and lied to. will vote for trump if he can run_LOL. it is just a proforma participation in foolishness. i get it.
Trump. Great for gas and energy and economy. Weak on guns but malleable. He really is the least of all the evils. Which is saying a lot.
Trump, precisely because "fuck the system."
I am not sure they can assassinate Trump. I think he has a really good team of mercs on his payroll, which is is how he survived his first term.
Trump because look at how much energy and money the DNC is pouring into trying to stop him? Every single time they try to step on him, his popularity increases. The DNC, best thing to happen to the Trujmp campaign.
Trump, precisely because "fuck the system."
I am not sure they can assassinate Trump. I think he has a really good team of mercs on his payroll, which is is how he survived his first term.
Trump because look at how much energy and money the DNC is pouring into trying to stop him? Every single time they try to step on him, his popularity increases. The DNC, best thing to happen to the Trujmp campaign.
