Food riots thread…and energy.

[silentwoods]

I think that is true. I believe it has to do with a bleaching process store-bought "fresh" eggs go through to sanitize the outside of the eggs, which destroys the protecting membrane of the eggs. When was in Brazil I was initially surprised that their eggs weren't refrigerated, and I found out they don't (at least back in 1990s) didn't do that bleaching process either, so the eggs were stable at room temp. much longer.

If you don't wash the factory coating off of your farm eggs they can sit on a counter for a long time. a couple weeks

They'll sit in a refrigerator for a very very long time. months

Mineral oil does keep the oxygen out of them for months too if you wash the factory coating off for whatever reason.

The jar method above does work. They taste funky though.

I have tested the mineral oil theory for 3 months, then 6 and 9. That's about long enough.

But in this scenario you'll be eating them daily anyways do it's a moot point to plan on long term storage.

We have produced our eggs for longer than I can remember. We don't bother selling them but I give some away from time to time to friends.

 

[silentwoods]

After the first 150 million die off... You will be able to carry on an educated conversation with the people that are left. Survival of the fittest.

Yessir.

There are those to truly believe it could never happen here.

Some are scared.
Hubris is a thing.

Starvation is a great equalizer.

 

[OldSalty2]

All these romanticized stories and yet no one is just planning to join the roving hoardes to pillage the country sides?

Where is the sense of adventure and conquest?

 

[silentwoods]

Romanticized?

Feel like that frog in the pot yet?

NOBODY knows where this is headed.

But many are fucked if it gets just a little worse.

The majority are fucked after that.

Again, hubris is a thing.

I hope my hobby doesn't turn into a lifestyle. Not because I don't have the numbers or skillsets needed in it. I think orcs will be a bigger problem than a dry spell or potato blight. And that is an honest opinion, ymmv.

 

[Sledge07]

Sounds like you have given it a lot of thought.

I spend a lot of free time in this truck every day. I think about a lot of stuff.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

All these romanticized stories and yet no one is just planning to join the roving hoardes to pillage the country sides?

Where is the sense of adventure and conquest?

Don’t forget your biker chaps and wrist crossbows. Assless pants are going to be a thing, post-apocalypse.

Sirhr

 

[silentwoods]

I spend a lot of free time in this truck every day. I think about a lot of stuff.

then you've probably figured out you ain't the only one planning to loot food.

the competition will be fierce, just imagine the trans woman plowing down those wives with their shopping carts.

matter of fact, i would imagine there are people who are planning on what to do with cats like you when you start stealing shit.

food for thought, you do you.

 

[eca7891]

Don’t forget your biker chaps and wrist crossbows. Assless pants are going to be a thing, post-apocalypse.

Sirhr

That outfit might get you your food.

YMMV

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I spend a lot of free time in this truck every day. I think about a lot of stuff.

Great.. Tell me about the comms you have set up with your over watch.

 

[Sledge07]

Great.. Tell me about the comms you have set up with your over watch.

I got a cb radio. Cell phone. I’m set.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I got a cb radio. Cell phone. I’m set.

Sounds like you all set.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Here is why you need to be able to store eggs long term:

During the late fall, winter and early spring you are going to be getting like near zero eggs out of your chickens.

 

[Bigfatcock]

I officially declare that I have the best plan. No garden, but enough canned and dry goods.

Use it to barter for pussy, and smash pussy until a roving gangs hears of my foodstuffs.

Roving gang comes for my shit and I go out in a blaze of glory exactly 17 days into the apocalypse.

At least I had enough smokes. All you nerds can have fun being malnourished trying to grow a tomato.

-fin

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I officially declare that I have the best plan. No garden, but enough canned and dry goods.

Use it to barter for pussy, and smash pussy until a roving gangs hears of my foodstuffs.

Roving gang comes for my shit and I go out in a blaze of glory exactly 17 days into the apocalypse.

At least I had enough smokes. All you nerds can have fun being malnourished trying to grow a tomato.

-fin

Not the worse plan, I must admit.

 

[n2ishun]

Sure I have a big garden....but where was it I said that I didn't have at least a ton or so of canned goods ?
Dry goods....yea, I probably have a smidge.
I could easily fill 2x 8foot pickup truck beds...maybe more.
Just keep them on a constant rotation....buy new, put into storage, take oldest from storage to consume now.
It's not surgeon brainery ya know.
BTW, just added about 80 seed potato's to the fray today....fuggin hard work when it's blowing 30-40 mph and you have cancer :/
Just be sure to leave a mound of dirt around the potato plant so once it's well established you pack it around the main stem.
It keeps you from having the green (sunlight exposed) potato's on the surface and also helps to get a larger yield.
<edit>
BTW, try some of this stuff.
Take a big plate of tortilla chips, heat this stuff and pour on, cover generously with cheese.
Exactly like the nacho's served at the old original 'Green Burrito' restaurants out west.

GREEN CHILE SAUCE WITH PORK – Stokes Canning Company

stokeschile.com

 

[jrhtx]

Yes.

It takes many years of doing it to learn it well enough to live from your garden.

The number I would tend to agree with is 1 acre per person to eat correctly twice a day until the next harvest.

All of these folks who think it'll just work out will starve or get shot trying to steal food. Period.

It's not that easy growing something like you would have to in this scenario. Americans as a whole don't have the skills the average uneducated 3rd world farmer takes for granted.

But they gots the kewl toYZz

Do the napkin math for a minute.

2 qt jars a day.
7 days a week
52 weeks a year.

That's just veggies.

Meat will disappear sooner than most believe. Even those with beef cattle will have a very difficult time keeping their herd alive and protected unfortunately.

And they'll be 100% grass fed eventually, so that's something to consider as far as hanging weight and butcher times.

And who is set up to butcher a fucking cow?

Yeah, I know it can be done but who really knows how to do it today?

The 1 mil question is this.

Whatcha gonna do with all of that meat without refrigeration/freezers? Worst case here of course.

Canning a couple hundred pounds is very doable. If you know how and have the stuff. We do it now, but those jars will not be preserving veggies now. See the quandry?

BAsically nobody is prepared well for a truly worst case scenario.

Sure hope it doesn't happen.

The true answer would be to NOT let shit get that bad here. Because it's going to stink really,really,really bad for awhile if it does.

In the "Old Days" the neighbors worked together and shared a slaughtered animal. They rotated the parts and who's animal was slaughtered.
Joe got the hind qt this time, next time he got a front qt, next time he got the neck, etc. One "time" in the rotation his animal was slaughtered. Depended on how many in the rotation. Lot of meat, especially hogs, was cooked and put in Ball jars with lard. Kept in the root cellar, it kept a long time.
Old coworker's family is OLD STX German. His family makes several hundred pounds of a raw dried sausage from venison and pork every year. He normally shoots 20-30 deer/year, uncle has domestic hogs. They grind up a several hundred pounds of meat, season it, stuff casing, and hang it in a shed (no heat or smoke). I think he said they normally do it in the February time frame. Not my thing but his family grew up eating it. And a lot of it. It's kinda like a jerky he just keeps in ziplocks.

 

[silentwoods]

In the "Old Days" the neighbors worked together and shared a slaughtered animal. They rotated the parts and who's animal was slaughtered.
Joe got the hind qt this time, next time he got a front qt, next time he got the neck, etc. One "time" in the rotation his animal was slaughtered. Depended on how many in the rotation. Lot of meat, especially hogs, was cooked and put in Ball jars with lard. Kept in the root cellar, it kept a long time.
Old coworker's family is OLD STX German. His family makes several hundred pounds of a raw dried sausage from venison and pork every year. He normally shoots 20-30 deer/year, uncle has domestic hogs. They grind up a several hundred pounds of meat, season it, stuff casing, and hang it in a shed (no heat or smoke). I think he said they normally do it in the February time frame. Not my thing but his family grew up eating it. And a lot of it. It's kinda like a jerky he just keeps in ziplocks.

All of that happens here minus the deer quantity.

Hogs are butchered around November. Takes a weekend, everyone spits the work and finished product. Several families worth of hogs getting worked up. Blood sausage and all.

We prefer to can deer rather than take it to get processed.

In the "old" days people grew, made or traded for "it," whatever "it "was.

 

[ggmanning]

We can a lot of deer. Just so easy to do and keep. We go through it but in our rotation I know it keeps at least 3 years canned and I'm sure a lot longer. Probably can 5 or 6 a year and the rest go into sausage, summer sausage, ground and cube steak. We don't buy red meat except the occasional ribeyes. We generally have a years worth of deer at any given time. If the lights went out I'd lose probably half of it on top of the fact that there wouldn't be many deer left to hunt either. Haven't done hogs in 10 years.....man I loved hog killing day when I was a boy.

 

[silentwoods]

We can a lot of deer. Just so easy to do and keep. We go through it but in our rotation I know it keeps at least 3 years canned and I'm sure a lot longer. Probably can 5 or 6 a year and the rest go into sausage, summer sausage, ground and cube steak. We don't buy red meat except the occasional ribeyes. We generally have a years worth of deer at any given time. If the lights went out I'd lose probably half of it on top of the fact that there wouldn't be many deer left to hunt either. Haven't done hogs in 10 years.....man I loved hog killing day when I was a boy.

I haven't kept deer for 5 years, but I have eaten beef and pork after or at 5 years kept in a basement, canned.

Never tried fish or turkey can't speak of it.

Agree 100% on wild game going vaporware. They'll leave before being killed en masse.

Like I said earlier, in this scenario nobody is really ready for it completely. But from reading thousands of comments over just the last couple of years tells me quite a lot about our society being able to persevere.

Money and toys won't matter.

Our society doesn't have the skills most uneducated 3rd world farmers take for granted. Or the mental toughness.

The predators will think they rule until they run into the folks who have been waiting for decades. I'll leave that right there.

 

[HiDesertELR]

Here Are the Groceries You Might Be Missing On Store Shelves Due to Food Shortages In 2022

If you've seen your local grocery store with empty shelves, you're not alone: Food shortages are still haunting us in 2022. On March 24, 2022, President Biden

parade.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

As we have discussed... 50% of Americans are oblivious to the future, regardless if the forecast is good or bad. The cold, cruel reality at this point is "We can't save them all".... The other 50% are aware of the coming events and most are making some sort of preparations. Basically there are two camps. This administration will "Grease the Wheel that squeaks the loudest"... Damage control will dump food into the Mega Cities. Those in the Boone Docks will self sustain to the best of their resources. The very wealthy in the suburbs will privately fund security and food supplies. I can go on with some more sub-groups.

If anyone sees a way around this scenario, please chime in.

 

[devildog93]

ok,explain the coming "food shortage" to me. america has generated tons of excess foodstuffs annually for last 5 or 6 decades. to the point that millions are paid every year to farmers to not grow anything,the whole soil bank idea. it actually profits elite absentee owners and large corporations mostly. surplus has kept american food prices below world levels for a long time. not sure,but i think the % of income americans pay for food is about 60% of the rest of the world. the effect of welfare feedings and the death of cooking at home in many families has an affect that i don't know and i think hasn't been studied. we also never used food as a weapon in the oil war started by the rags in '72. why? i can see prices going up mostly due to biden's assault on fuel prices. the governments admitted 8% inflation is in my experience closer to 100% like gasoline. so,what gives in a setting of huge surpluses and apolcolypic famine talk.despite increased transport costs and obscure and bizarre agricultural policy?

Well, where to start. We see supply chain issues creeping in, inflation, 3x fertilizer prices, 3x herbicide, and the ongoing Russia/Ukraine battle ongoing that effects both of those. How will they interact with each other...probably not well don't you think? China has suspended export of phospate. In Oklahoma we have a lot of people shifting priorities from cattle and farming to other areas this year and for the near future. So a lot of smaller producers are hitting the pause button. How this effects the big boys I guess we have to wait and see.

Some meats are already getting out of sensible reach for blue collar folks. Meats that were traditionally looked down on like brisket are getting out of hand. I'm not going to pay 100 bucks to smoke a brisket. Everyone has their cutoff I suppose. The cost of eggs have doubled. At some point there is going to be a breakover where people lose their shit. You already see scuffles here and there and I assume it is going to get worse. When your 1000 dollar in food stamps is gone in 2 weeks then obviously that group isn't going to just lay down and die. That is when I think things will ratchet up. 30 bucks for fast food for 2 is a bridge too far. That will hit a lot of people here shortly if it has not already. Wages are not keeping up with food prices. That is about as simple a formula as it gets for a revolt I would think.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Alternate news article:

“Biden Admin tackles obesity and diabetes epidemic in America!”

 

[david walter]

When I’m the supreme allied benevolent ruler of the formerly know as eastern Washington, will you be my press guy?

Alternate news article:

“Biden Admin tackles obesity and diabetes epidemic in America!”

 

[silentwoods]

Well, where to start. We see supply chain issues creeping in, inflation, 3x fertilizer prices, 3x herbicide, and the ongoing Russia/Ukraine battle ongoing that effects both of those. How will they interact with each other...probably not well don't you think? China has suspended export of phospate. In Oklahoma we have a lot of people shifting priorities from cattle and farming to other areas this year and for the near future. So a lot of smaller producers are hitting the pause button. How this effects the big boys I guess we have to wait and see.

Some meats are already getting out of sensible reach for blue collar folks. Meats that were traditionally looked down on like brisket are getting out of hand. I'm not going to pay 100 bucks to smoke a brisket. Everyone has their cutoff I suppose. The cost of eggs have doubled. At some point there is going to be a breakover where people lose their shit. You already see scuffles here and there and I assume it is going to get worse. When your 1000 dollar in food stamps is gone in 2 weeks then obviously that group isn't going to just lay down and die. That is when I think things will ratchet up. 30 bucks for fast food for 2 is a bridge too far. That will hit a lot of people here shortly if it has not already. Wages are not keeping up with food prices. That is about as simple a formula as it gets for a revolt I would think.

Agree 100% sir.

To make it Twatter simple

Feed for dairy and beef cattle increasing and being scarce= those cattle being butchered to cut herd size.

That means your meat and dairy will follow suit.

Period.

Why else the massively huge push for fake meat products in the last 1.5 years?

By this time next year, we will know where we stand either way. We're one harvest away from the bill coming due.

Hopefully I'm wrong. Time will tell, they can't hide something this big.

 

[eca7891]

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-rice-production-may-plunge-threatening-half-humanity

 

[sirhrmechanic]

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/global-rice-production-may-plunge-threatening-half-humanity

Well, fine.

"Half of humanity" sits in the UN every day on expense accounts and unpaid parking tickets.... shitting on us. In short, voting against the U.S. and trying to turn us into a Socialist dumping ground with one hand... while holding out their other money-grubbing little rat claws expecting cash, food, aid, defense support and every other form of graft they can pry loose from our national treasury. And most of it gets stolen by corrupt third world 'politicians' who are little more than a criminal Mafia.

The Marshall Plan was supposed to help countries get on their feet and become self-sufficient. Along with the UN, it has morphed into our supporting global welfare making tinpots rich while populations explode and, largely, hang on by threads.

Fine... let them have a mass-starvation event without our Marines showing up with bags of millet... and getting shot to pieces. Let them go without our 'crop advisors' and tons of wheat and corn because they hate us. In short, let them rise to the occasion or face the consequences of their own sloth and reliance on others. It has to happen eventually.

And when it gets bad enough, the borders will get closed. And when you're starving in Mongolia... you ain't walking to Arizona anyway. At best, you are walking with pitchforks to Peking to lop the heads off the ChiComs who caused your empty belly.

Let them post pictures of kids with vultures next to them on CNN. Noone watches that shit any more anyway. It'll be more entertaining than Dancing with the Stars for sure!

Sirhr

 

[supercorndogs]

Agree 100% sir.

To make it Twatter simple

Feed for dairy and beef cattle increasing and being scarce= those cattle being butchered to cut herd size.

That means your meat and dairy will follow suit.

Period.

Why else the massively huge push for fake meat products in the last 1.5 years?

By this time next year, we will know where we stand either way. We're one harvest away from the bill coming due.

Hopefully I'm wrong. Time will tell, they can't hide something this big.

If we start butchering holsteins from the dairy, it will be an indication times have become truly desperate.

 

[lariat]

If we start butchering holsteins from the dairy, it will be an indication times have become truly desperate.

Happens every day in America. They don't bring much at the salebarn, but they go just like the rest of them.

 

[MtnCreek]

Ummm holstein...

 

[eca7891]

Well, fine.

"Half of humanity" sits in the UN every day on expense accounts and unpaid parking tickets.... shitting on us. In short, voting against the U.S. and trying to turn us into a Socialist dumping ground with one hand... while holding out their other money-grubbing little rat claws expecting cash, food, aid, defense support and every other form of graft they can pry loose from our national treasury. And most of it gets stolen by corrupt third world 'politicians' who are little more than a criminal Mafia.

The Marshall Plan was supposed to help countries get on their feet and become self-sufficient. Along with the UN, it has morphed into our supporting global welfare making tinpots rich while populations explode and, largely, hang on by threads.

Fine... let them have a mass-starvation event without our Marines showing up with bags of millet... and getting shot to pieces. Let them go without our 'crop advisors' and tons of wheat and corn because they hate us. In short, let them rise to the occasion or face the consequences of their own sloth and reliance on others. It has to happen eventually.

And when it gets bad enough, the borders will get closed. And when you're starving in Mongolia... you ain't walking to Arizona anyway. At best, you are walking with pitchforks to Peking to lop the heads off the ChiComs who caused your empty belly.

Let them post pictures of kids with vultures next to them on CNN. Noone watches that shit any more anyway. It'll be more entertaining than Dancing with the Stars for sure!

Sirhr

I do not disagree.

 

[supercorndogs]

Happens every day in America. They don't bring much at the salebarn, but they go just like the rest of them.

They aren't the ones getting milked at the dairy....

 

[MtnCreek]

Patchy frost in GA this morning. Just for fun I looked up Wichita and it's fucking 55* there... Jokes on me.

 

[lariat]

They aren't the ones getting milked at the dairy....

Correct. My point is that the supply chain is already well established to get them off the dairy.

The government came in and killed off large numbers of cattle in the 1930 and 80s and it was recently considered again. Food availability had nothing to do with it, especially in the 30s when it could have been used to help feed the nation.

Millions of farm animals culled as US food supply chain chokes up

US government vets said to be ready to assist with culls, or ‘depopulation’ of pigs, chickens and cattle because of coronavirus meat plant closures

www.theguardian.com

Culling the Herds during the 1930s Depression

Dairy Buy-Out Program of 1986 a Story With Two Sides

WASHINGTON It was unleashed in the third month of the year, which seems fitting for the government's role in its dairy buy-out program. Rushing in like the proverbial lion last March, the controversi…

www.oklahoman.com

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Ummm holstein...

I thought Big Macs Were made of worms?

That’s why you never cut one in half. It will crawl in opposite directions.

Sirhr

 

[7.62willdo]

Correct. My point is that the supply chain is already well established to get them off the dairy.

The government came in and killed off large numbers of cattle in the 1930 and 80s and it was recently considered again. Food availability had nothing to do with it, especially in the 30s when it could have been used to help feed the nation.

Millions of farm animals culled as US food supply chain chokes up

US government vets said to be ready to assist with culls, or ‘depopulation’ of pigs, chickens and cattle because of coronavirus meat plant closures

www.theguardian.com

Culling the Herds during the 1930s Depression

Dairy Buy-Out Program of 1986 a Story With Two Sides

WASHINGTON It was unleashed in the third month of the year, which seems fitting for the government's role in its dairy buy-out program. Rushing in like the proverbial lion last March, the controversi…

www.oklahoman.com

I remember the culling in the 80’s, third generation dairy farms sold out and shutdown

 

[DuneBoer]

Happens every day in America. They don't bring much at the salebarn, but they go just like the rest of them.

Big boned and they eat too much.

 

[Bigfatcock]

Big boned and they eat too much.

I say the same thing about some of my ladies.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

I say the same thing about some of my ladies.

If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal
If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel
Speed along the lane, do a turn or return to 25
When the sun goes down, you can make it
Make it good in a lay-by

 

[supercorndogs]

Correct. My point is that the supply chain is already well established to get them off the dairy.

The government came in and killed off large numbers of cattle in the 1930 and 80s and it was recently considered again. Food availability had nothing to do with it, especially in the 30s when it could have been used to help feed the nation.

Millions of farm animals culled as US food supply chain chokes up

US government vets said to be ready to assist with culls, or ‘depopulation’ of pigs, chickens and cattle because of coronavirus meat plant closures

www.theguardian.com

Culling the Herds during the 1930s Depression

Dairy Buy-Out Program of 1986 a Story With Two Sides

WASHINGTON It was unleashed in the third month of the year, which seems fitting for the government's role in its dairy buy-out program. Rushing in like the proverbial lion last March, the controversi…

www.oklahoman.com

A company i worked for trucked holsteins calves from California to feedlots in Colorado, they were formally culled instead of doing anything with them. They started trucking them instead of culling them around the 2012 time frame. I don't work for them anymore but I still see some feedlot pens full of holsteins. With the increase in the amount of cows I see in peoples herds locally, I could see how it could end up, that they would stop trucking holsteins and start culling them again. Given an over supply of good beef cows.

 

[n2ishun]

Patchy frost in GA this morning. Just for fun I looked up Wichita and it's fucking 55* there... Jokes on me.

I'm no where near Wichita, but it's right at 70* right now.
At least 4000 sprouts in the garden, all the early stuff like radishes, carrots, onions....ohh and probably 500 little corn shoots showing.

 

[Seed tick]

No where near enough

 

[supercorndogs]

If its real, its probably more than enough if everything can be brought to a yield. Food shortage, doesn't mean there is no other food than what comes out of your garden. Growing is half the battle, stuff needs harvested and stored.

 

[Inifinty]

No where near enough

Average American apparently consumes 1 ton (2 thousand pounds) of food annually.

Sewage professionals like @armorpl8chikn might call it a shit ton.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

If its real, its probably more than enough if everything can be brought to a yield. Food shortage, doesn't mean there is no other food than what comes out of your garden. Growing is half the battle, stuff needs harvested and stored.

True, also seeds from this years crop needs to be properly stored and saved.... In my area there seem to be no seeds for spaghetti squash. I'm being told there will be some starts in about 4 - 6 weeks at the nurseries.

 

[silentwoods]

True, also seeds from this years crop needs to be properly stored and saved.... In my area there seem to be no seeds for spaghetti squash. I'm being told there will be some starts in about 4 - 6 weeks at the nurseries.

I recently told a friend to plant his heirloom this year for seed next year.

Buy wal mart retard seeds to eat this year.

More than triples seed for next year to carry over the harvest and still have enough viable real seed for the following growing season.

Fastest way I know to do it other than buy it all.

 

[silentwoods]

True, also seeds from this years crop needs to be properly stored and saved.... In my area there seem to be no seeds for spaghetti squash. I'm being told there will be some starts in about 4 - 6 weeks at the nurseries.

pm sent

 

[n2ishun]

Average American apparently consumes 1 ton (2 thousand pounds) of food annually.

Sewage professionals like @armorpl8chikn might call it a shit ton.

That's over 5 lbs a day.
Seriously ?
3 lbs a day is fatty level.
I understand growing young kids eat alot, once you hit 40 it starts tapering off pretty quick.
Just a random statement, but I'd say at least 1/3 population is 40 and over.
A 2 year old probably doesn't eat 1 lb a day.
Average it out and 2000 lbs a year is something that comes from someone that hasn't got a fucking clue and probably should get deaded so they don't have children and further their stupidity line.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Spaghetti Squash...

Puhleeze....

Carry on...

Sirhr

 

[Inifinty]

That's over 5 lbs a day.
Seriously ?
3 lbs a day is fatty level.
I understand growing young kids eat alot, once you hit 40 it starts tapering off pretty quick.
Just a random statement, but I'd say at least 1/3 population is 40 and over.
A 2 year old probably doesn't eat 1 lb a day.
Average it out and 2000 lbs a year is something that comes from someone that hasn't got a fucking clue and probably should get deaded so they don't have children and further their stupidity line.

right here top of the page

food average american consumes - Google Search

www.google.com

I get it which is why I wrote "apparently".