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JPRFX™ Rifle in .22 LR (SCR-11™/SCI-20™) - | Billet Side Charge 
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JPRFX™ Rifle in .22 LR (CTR-02™) - | Billet Top Charge
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"If you have to ask, you can't afford one." Well, out of my price range.
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JPRFX™ Rifle in .22 LR (CTR-02™) - | Billet Top Charge
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"If you have to ask, you can't afford one." Well, out of my price range.
Probably nothing, but it could be a lot of fun! Unfortunately this “well regulated “ cesspool makes getting one impossible.Cheaper than my Vudoo, a little more than my KIDD...the question is what would this do that those do not?
I'd be very curious as to how this compares to a Kidd supergrade.
That is what I would like to see...a head-to-head between this and a KIDD!
I think "Pursuit of Accuracy" did a similar video or two with a Kidd Supergrade. He always uses good ammo and gives it a fair shot.
Holy crap that is cool. Love the side charging option. I’m curious to see if these will cut at all into the Kidd sales.
Hard to think any semiauto will outshoot a Kidd supergrade.
I like the mags on my AR22 upper better than my 10/22’s for not scraping the bullets. Need to try some Kriss AR22 magazines like JP recommended.
Hard to think any semiauto will outshoot a Kidd supergrade.
I like the mags on my AR22 upper better than my 10/22’s for not scraping the bullets. Need to try some Kriss AR22 magazines like JP recommended.
John Paul aka JP shot his the last two seasons at our club matches and it was impressive, with that said I haven’t seen it go up against a Kidd
Time to revive this thread. Picked mine up yesterday. JP mentioned doing this a few years back. I called every six months or so to check on it. Every time they said nope , no plans for that. I was going to build it on the website but went with a dealer who had one in stock. PRS lite in back, side charger, 15.5 in forearm with ARCA rail, compensator on the barrel. Some sort of trigger upgrade. Advertised at 3.5 to 4lbs. I haven't checked it yet. I tried a Calvin Elite in it but it didn't want to engage the safety. Trigger is fine, I'm just not used to that heavy. Put a Ziess S3 4-25 on it. It weights in at 12 lbs. Shipped with the M&P mag. LOP with the PRS lite is 13.75. I need some kind of AR style mount to get the scope up and away from by face, and add some MOA. Balance isn't great- got a weighted rail coming.
Range report. Got it out to the range today regardless of the 11gust 23 winds, average 17. MY Garmin Chrono kept generating a shot with an MV between 200-400FPS- I guess due to the wind.
Started of with SK plus - SD 25 mv 988 ( shoots 1080 out of my bolt guns). SK Rifle match SD 28.6 MV 981, Eley target- SD 13.1 MV 1048
( shoots SD 6 MV 1080 out of my Duece).
Moved to the recommended Eley benchrest Outlaw and benchrest. Outlaw SD 17, MV 1067 over 40 rounds. Tried 6 lots of Benchrest- best was SD 6.5 MV 1070 over 40 rounds. (the other lots shot SD's of 9.9, 7.6,10.4,12.3,9.6. and the groups were not as good)
Shot 5 , 5 shot groups into that wind at 50 yds . . Results for the best lot were .326", .360",.377",.638", 1.14". Went home and ordered a bunch of that. So magazine wise- The M&P is horrible to insert but always locks back. The Kriss inserts really quickly and seem to lock back intermittently ( need to check more). I bought some 10 and 15 rounders of those. Big mistake. It's the same form factor one holds 15 one holds ten.
Zero malfunctions through several hundred rounds.
I'll give you that Kidd supergrade comparison after I shoot it against my buddy's in 2 weeks. Wait, he could beat me with a Cricket. I'm always jumping on the next thing. Showed up with one of the first Vudoos years ago, they said you spent what on a .22? Have a RimX and a Duece. I think this is going to be a good addition to the fleet.
Range report. Got it out to the range today regardless of the 11gust 23 winds, average 17. MY Garmin Chrono kept generating a shot with an MV between 200-400FPS- I guess due to the wind.
Started of with SK plus - SD 25 mv 988 ( shoots 1080 out of my bolt guns). SK Rifle match SD 28.6 MV 981, Eley target- SD 13.1 MV 1048
( shoots SD 6 MV 1080 out of my Duece).
Moved to the recommended Eley benchrest Outlaw and benchrest. Outlaw SD 17, MV 1067 over 40 rounds. Tried 6 lots of Benchrest- best was SD 6.5 MV 1070 over 40 rounds. (the other lots shot SD's of 9.9, 7.6,10.4,12.3,9.6. and the groups were not as good)
Shot 5 , 5 shot groups into that wind at 50 yds . . Results for the best lot were .326", .360",.377",.638", 1.14". Went home and ordered a bunch of that. So magazine wise- The M&P is horrible to insert but always locks back. The Kriss inserts really quickly and seem to lock back intermittently ( need to check more). I bought some 10 and 15 rounders of those. Big mistake. It's the same form factor one holds 15 one holds ten.
Zero malfunctions through several hundred rounds.
I'll give you that Kidd supergrade comparison after I shoot it against my buddy's in 2 weeks. Wait, he could beat me with a Cricket. I'm always jumping on the next thing. Showed up with one of the first Vudoos years ago, they said you spent what on a .22? Have a RimX and a Duece. I think this is going to be a good addition to the fleet.
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JP makes some very nice stuff. Their uppers, lowers, and handguards are machined perfectly and just have a feel of quality...perfection. I love AR22s but I'm not sure I have $2,600 wrapped up in all of them that I have. I have an earlier JP bolt/barrel assembled. I have several uppers/barrels that utilize the Ciener style bolt too. There's much discussion about what makes and AR22 upper accurate. Or any 22 or centerfire for that matter. The secrete sauce that sets this one apart from all others is in the barrel and chamber. I can't think of anything else that can be done to the JPRFX 22 that would make it more accurate. The cartridge delivery to the chamber (bolt and magazine), a good trigger, good barrel, and good ammunition. The platform as a whole is geared toward PRS or NRL shooting. Can you determine anything else on the rifle that contributes to it's accuracy performance?
Thanks for the insight. Obviously with .22's the whole game is the barrel ,ammo lot lottery.This 14 twist with that Semi auto ammo is a great combo. It’s interesting because the box says 1070 ish fps on it, and thats what it shoots. I should run it in a bolt gun and check it. All my other ammo says 1080 and shot 980. I think how it presents the round is key- like you said. I did notice several strings where the first round was 30fps faster. Im going to investigate that. Probably related to releasing the bolt.
@usafa77 did you and your buddy get a chance to compare the Kidd Supergrade to the JP as of yet? I was on the JP rifle builder yesterday and am torn between it and the Supergrade. I don’t know if the price differential is worth the performance gains of going with the JP. Would love to hear your feedback if you’ve had a chance to put any additional rounds down range. Thanks!
He refuses to test and use good ammo so comparing accuracy doesnt really work.he still has Ruger magazine related malfunctions from time to time. So far the JP has been 100% reliable
The old version was massively sensitive to ammo for accuracy (reliability was 100%). I've probably tested a couple hundred lots across various brands in my old one, and found maybe 2 that shot really well, the others on average are 3-4" at 100. It's far and away the most ammo picky gun I've ever owned, it's not even close. One lot of Tac 22, and one Lot of SK LR I've found shot really well out of it to 100, somewhere in the 1-1.5 MOA range, but everything else dozens of tests over the last few years, 3-4" is common at 100 or worse, it just throws huge flyers, even at 50yds. JP built this barreled upper as well.
This is a good example target from yesterday at the range. 100yds, 5-10 mph winds L-R, the groups on the left target are CCI STD, SK Pistol, SK Rifle, Wolf, and Eley Match. I often use the JP to shoot up partial boxes, or straggler lot boxes. The three 5rd groups on the right, are one of the "unicorn" lots that it likes, a lot of SK LR, the largest of which is 1.25". I find if frustrating when a gun performs this poorly, so if I take the JP 22 I know to bring a couple boxes of the "unicorn" ammo to at least get some good groups in at the end of the day. I must have been asking for punishment yesterday cause I also took my MCX out, which I doubt could hit a dinner plate at 200yds with any ammo, yet SIG says meets their 3rd 4MOA std......that they evidently test at 25yds.
I've tested probably at least. a dozen lots of SK LR, and the others end up looking like the target on the left. No idea what drives it, my only wild guess is that the gun is ridiculously picky on pressure/velocity to feed without damaging the bullets or bolt bouncing perhaps. If it was bolt bounce though you'd think softer loads would do better. I can't think of any other reason to see that much accuracy variation from lot to lot of the same ammo and it being this hard to find a lot/brand it likes. I see lot to lot variations in my CZ 457 or Volquartsen/10/22s, but it's much much smaller, once and awhile you get a horrible lot, but most lots of the better ammo shoot pretty similar. Also the lot based flyers are usually velocity related so you still get pretty good L/R groups just vertical flyers, but the JP tosses flyers everywhere. It's also not that this "unicorn" lot is just amazing in general cause it's just middle of the pack in my 457 for SK LR lots I've tested. In the past I've thought about trying different recoil spring rates to see if it impacted things, but honestly I just find the gun frustrating to shoot.
The new JP might be amazing, but they'd really have to prove it to me first that it's not crazy ammo picky, and it lives up to the marketing, esp. since it appears to use the same action/bolt setup. That said I do think their fully built rifles seem to delivery better accuracy on average than just buying their barrels and doing an assembly. I've had several supermatch JP barrels built up and while they were all good, none of them were outstanding when compared to offerings like Bartlien/Krieger etc. but they are not far off in price.
This is a good example target from yesterday at the range. 100yds, 5-10 mph winds L-R, the groups on the left target are CCI STD, SK Pistol, SK Rifle, Wolf, and Eley Match. I often use the JP to shoot up partial boxes, or straggler lot boxes. The three 5rd groups on the right, are one of the "unicorn" lots that it likes, a lot of SK LR, the largest of which is 1.25". I find if frustrating when a gun performs this poorly, so if I take the JP 22 I know to bring a couple boxes of the "unicorn" ammo to at least get some good groups in at the end of the day. I must have been asking for punishment yesterday cause I also took my MCX out, which I doubt could hit a dinner plate at 200yds with any ammo, yet SIG says meets their 3rd 4MOA std......that they evidently test at 25yds.
I've tested probably at least. a dozen lots of SK LR, and the others end up looking like the target on the left. No idea what drives it, my only wild guess is that the gun is ridiculously picky on pressure/velocity to feed without damaging the bullets or bolt bouncing perhaps. If it was bolt bounce though you'd think softer loads would do better. I can't think of any other reason to see that much accuracy variation from lot to lot of the same ammo and it being this hard to find a lot/brand it likes. I see lot to lot variations in my CZ 457 or Volquartsen/10/22s, but it's much much smaller, once and awhile you get a horrible lot, but most lots of the better ammo shoot pretty similar. Also the lot based flyers are usually velocity related so you still get pretty good L/R groups just vertical flyers, but the JP tosses flyers everywhere. It's also not that this "unicorn" lot is just amazing in general cause it's just middle of the pack in my 457 for SK LR lots I've tested. In the past I've thought about trying different recoil spring rates to see if it impacted things, but honestly I just find the gun frustrating to shoot.
The new JP might be amazing, but they'd really have to prove it to me first that it's not crazy ammo picky, and it lives up to the marketing, esp. since it appears to use the same action/bolt setup. That said I do think their fully built rifles seem to delivery better accuracy on average than just buying their barrels and doing an assembly. I've had several supermatch JP barrels built up and while they were all good, none of them were outstanding when compared to offerings like Bartlien/Krieger etc. but they are not far off in price.
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