Yes, I saw significant ES/SD drop when switching from flame to AMP in both my 6.5cm and 6GT loads. Lapua and Alpha brass specifically. I assume its better neck tension control, as nothing else was changed.
And they would be wrong in that case. Its ok though, no one is perfect.Look, I know you're an AMP fanboy, but dude just wants to know if annealing will help him/her with case neck cracking. If they wanted PhD level knowledge on metallurgy, they'd go take a college course. Don't make it more complicated than needed.
Below, straight up from AMP themselves (the makers of your god tier annealer), if you're looking for a low cost annealer, they recommend a gas flame based option.
https://www.ampannealing.com/articles/52/salt-bath-annealing--does-it-work-/
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Got any data to back that up? or you gonna stick with "trust me it works"Yes, I saw significant ES/SD drop when switching from flame to AMP in both my 6.5cm and 6GT loads. Lapua and Alpha brass specifically. I assume its better neck tension control, as nothing else was changed.
SD calcs imply (require) the existence data ...Got any data to back that up? or you gonna stick with "trust me it works"
Got any data to back that up? or you gonna stick with "trust me it works"
I may as well counter and say my limited testing showed no improvement.
EXACTLY MY POINTGot any data to back that up? or you gonna stick with "trust me it don't work"
Flame annealing lowered my SD/ES and Im seeing consistent groups but not smaller ones. I have no data to back that up.
For starters 6-8 SD or ES? it can't be both.Exactly. I dont record every shot I take. My loads before the amp were around 6-8 SD/ES. Post AMP I am around 3-4.
This wont show up unless you are shooting small targets far away, but its does add up to points gained over a season. To me, That matters.
This isn't a point.EXACTLY MY POINT
I don’t know why this is so hard to figure out. Surely someone has done some unbiased testing on this and translated it to English so that a second grader can understand it?
I am far too dumb to understand all this science; I shoot a nail gun for a living.
I just want to know if flame annealing will make my brass last more firings without the necks cracking.
It seems like the only people saying you have to buy an AMP are
1) the people selling an AMP
2) the people who already bought an AMP
That’s a bit of a red flag to my uneducated little brain….but maybe they are right.
Ok you PHDs and people who took a college class about metal can go back to your internet fight now.
It was invented buy guys basically using candles...Annealing is understood to have been discovered as a heat treatment in the Middle Ages, around the 12th century. The word likely originated from the Middle English term “anelen”, meaning to set on fire or to bake.
LOL. Do you just go around believing everything, everyone says on forums?This isn't a point.
SD. ES tightened up as well but i dont remember numbers off the top of my head. I think my ES is around 12-15 with the 3.5SD loads. Thats a .04gr spread and the difference between about a kernal or 2 of H4350.For starters 6-8 SD or ES? it can't be both.
How many rounds is this over?
What is your sample size?
Don't forget I asked for legitimate testing.
The point you are trying to make is sloppy.LOL. Do you just go around believing everything, everyone says on forums?
repeat.SD calcs imply (require) the existence data ...
I have not annealed brass before and want to start. What are some decent low cost annealers?
Alternatively, I got all of the parts for a DIY annealer (Elfster's) following this youtube:
Anybody use this DIY annealer?
What is the point of even mentioning that it lowered your ES/SD if you don't want to share the numbers to back it up?SD. ES tightened up as well but i dont remember numbers off the top of my head. I think my ES is around 12-15 with the 3.5SD loads. Thats a .04gr spread and the difference between about a kernal or 2 of H4350.
Over hundreds of shots of each. I dont even start to trust SD/ES until I have already 30 shots to measure. I ran the Andiscan so the whole barrel break in had a chrono attached, as well as whenever I zero and verify dope before a match.
Believe it , don't believe it, I dont really give a shit. My goal was never to placate people on here and spoon feed them all my data. Its just observation over many thousands of rounds.
The point you are trying to make is sloppy.
SD calcs imply (require) the existence data ...
You are absolutely essential to this conversation.repeat.
I DGAF if you want to pick a fight bwith DBDM,You are absolutely essential to this conversation.