No trial for Ashli Babbit shooting

[TurboTrout]

I've arrived at the point where I'm starting to reactively assume anyone who's extra-vocal about being a patriot is actually a nationalist. And among those nationalists there seems to be quite a few people who don't have a problem with authoritarians and fascists, so long as it's their authoritarians and fascists.

Perhaps, however if you read what I have posted on this site, think you’ll see I ain’t exactly a cheer leader for big gov

Maybe I should have replaced patriots with people.

Might have to change your sig line though
“There are far too many nationalists here, and not enough patriots.”

 

[forrestgump01]

I think what he is getting at the how religion was used by the ruling class for dehumanizing rival factions, as well as controlling the peasants. This is well documented throughout history.

I know the question wasn’t directed at me, but since I opined I’ll answer, I don’t do the right thing because I think it pleases some deities, or because some politicians said I should, I do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, sounds cheesy but a man needs to have a “code” he follows, it’s a evolving thing as the man grows and gains life experiences, but that’s what it is, at least for me.

The only thing he has gotten at is making it clear human life means nothing to him.

His words ..........

Good for him, Justice does exist. As opposed to the social justice because people are sad.

Babbitt deserved to die for her actions.

Terrorist

Sperm and egg come together to make a parasite, also known as a fetus. You call it a baby to get the emotional hooks because you can't survive on Merritt and facts.
And yes, it can be considered less human if it's not fully developed with all genes in proper order.

According to him Ashley was a terrorist who deserved to die and children are parasites.

 

[TurboTrout]

The only thing he has gotten at is making it clear human life means nothing to him.

His words ..........





According to him Ashley was a terrorist who deserved to die and children are parasites.

I agree, fuck that statist POS

 

[theLBC]

 

[...]

Not allowing others to have an opinion other than yours is exactly what a commie is right?
You also might say a commie is someone who asks a communist government to help with re-election.
But its all good. Im not changing my opinion and neither are you, and neither are many other americans on both sides.

Yeah guess what, no one cares....you felt the need to come in and let us all know you are a moron and then acknowledged no one is changing their minds.....so you can go back to sucking dick or whatever you commie fags do in your free time

 

[Dogtown]

The Bear Pit never disappoints

 

[Matches Malone]

No. Not at all. I am not really saying anything.
I was just ribbing you a bit by presenting a fact based counter narrative like you asked.

I will say, that based upon some of the presumptions you made in your response that you really should check out that link I sent.

I asked for facts. There is no such thing as a counter fact narrative. There is the truth and there is everything else.
Right and wrong. Yes or no.

You presented facts. For the most part. But there are a few holes in the historical time line, and details left out that would otherwise paint a particular reality closer to what actually happened.

The thing about merchant marines and the GI bill you mentioned was an opinion, and opinion founded on zero reality then an now, and worded to draw up an emotional reaction. I mean you can actually look it up. merchant Marines are not US military.

You did say something though. Here’s an opinion theory, see attached. While I have no personal problem with the way it is presented, let’s call it what it is.

Presumptuous as it was, I take no serious presumptions. My presumptions were for effect as to enhance the counter to the opinion based on reference to the timeline commonly agreed upon, that the Soviets where cool by themselves in WW2...as the Nazi’s factually sat there in Moscow.
The facts, and Stalin’s documented opinion, on US involvement is what it is.

 

[RGStory]

I asked for facts. There is no such thing as a counter fact narrative. There is the truth and there is everything else.
Right and wrong. Yes or no.

Hey, I get it. ‘Merca!
Your clear and salient fact-based counter arguments have me convinced.

You are clearly too well read and informed on the intricacies of the European Theater to be interested any any more information that I could present, and your command of WW2 military history is exemplary.

I appreciate you taking the time to provide a cogent detailed analysis.

Again, I think you would appreciate and enjoy a perusal of the literature available through the CARL library when you get a chance.

I would recommend starting with the following:

Master of Military Art and Science Theses

cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org

https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p4013coll3/id/385/page/0/inline/p4013coll3_385_0

Part_1

cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org

See here for a detailed tabulation of the Lend Lease Program -> https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4013coll8/id/2421

For those history trivia buffs here, see page 38 of the PDF for the total number of Helicopters given to England during WWII.

 

[Doc68]

Good times!

go away, you are like a reoccurring dream that's not even exciting...

Doc

 

[theLBC]

 

[Doc68]

I thought u we’re going to block me troll?
If you don’t want me here why do keep at it?

Because you are a piece of shit troll and anti-American.

Do you even own any guns, or do you just come here to be a shill for the boot lickers.

How about serving for your country.

You are the laughing stock of this forum, and always will be, just like all the other shills.

You literally were here 4 years ago selling shit, then all of the sudden you return and have nothing but bullshit spewing from your mouth.



Doc

 

[Snuby642]

So much of last year was a lie.

In the end the left got away with it.
No consequences for any of them.

I'm still not ready to let it stand.
Payback will be forever.

 

[...]

It’s hilarious that all you guys can do is resort to name calling. It shows a pretty serious lack of insight.
what kind of person attacks the American capitol. The sign of freedom throughout the world? Have you seen the videos? Or were those made up by Black Lives Matter? It doesn’t look to me like they being escorted in. What about chanting “hang mike pence”, our Vice President?

Try getting your news from somewhere other than CNN...


....But you won't because you are just a troll and don't care about the actual truth....

 

[Doc68]

It’s hilarious that all you guys can do is resort to name calling. It shows a pretty serious lack of insight.
what kind of person attacks the American capitol. The sign of freedom throughout the world? Have you seen the videos? Or were those made up by Black Lives Matter? It doesn’t look to me like they being escorted in. What about chanting “hang mike pence”, our Vice President?

I watched the videos. Did you watch the one where BLM/Antifa changed in maga hats and such and went into the crowd. I bet you didn't.

I was just stating facts, why all of the sudden are you back after 4years spewing garbage?

You didn't answer any of my questions.

I bet you think those were all peaceful protests this past year now also.

You come on here saying it was a disgrace, if you look at my previous posts directed to you, you will see why we needed this protest.

Apparently you cant follow a conversation.

So, why after 4 years are you all of the sudden back here.

Ill wait for your answer.

I didn't call names, I just stated facts supported by your comments.

Show me proof, and not CNN that there was a plan to hang Mike Pence.

Doc

 

[quietmike]

Try getting your news from somewhere other than CNN...


....But you won't because you are just a troll and don't care about the actual truth....

With a username like that, you know where his mind is.

 

[TurboTrout]

Anyone who that surprises, should be encouraged to never breed.

 

[theLBC]

With a username like that, you know where his mind is.

@smalldick was taken.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

And I started drinking early and was going to post some drunken shit. Well, I guess I wasted a dozen beers.
The big dick is the main attraction tonight.

 

[MarinePMI]

It’s hilarious that all you guys can do is resort to name calling. It shows a pretty serious lack of insight.
what kind of person attacks the American capitol. The sign of freedom throughout the world? Have you seen the videos? Or were those made up by Black Lives Matter? It doesn’t look to me like they being escorted in. What about chanting “hang mike pence”, our Vice President?

Hmmm...let me see if I can put this nicely...

You want to calm down there sport? Looking at your recent post history, you seem bound and determined to stir the pot here recently.

Advice: Take a deep breath and back away from the keyboard for a while, or I'll do it for you. I've got better things to do than go through reports on this thread from folks who aren't even posting in it, about your antics.

Go take a breather....

 

[wade2big]

More anonymous post reporters.
This place is full of Alpha males I was once told. Lol

 

[MarinePMI]

More anonymous post reporters.
This place is full of Alpha males I was once told. Lol

I'm sorry, did you have something constructive to add to this discussion, or do you need a vacation as well?

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Awe, come on man! <--- in a jo biden voice, I been drinking and the left coast is just waking up.

Hmmm...let me see if I can put this nicely...

You want to calm down there sport? Looking at your recent post history, you seem bound and determined to stir the pot here recently.

Advice: Take a deep breath and back away from the keyboard for a while, or I'll do it for you. I've got better things to do than go through reports on this thread from folks who aren't even posting in it, about your antics.

Go take a breather....

Just don't give me a vacation? Deal?

 

[theLBC]

The attorney for Ashli Babbitt is now speaking out in a statement.




“The shooting of Ashli Babbitt on January 6, 2021 by an unidentified U.S. Capitol Police Officer was an unjustified use of deadly force which violated her constitutional rights,” attorney Terrell N. Roberts III said.


“It is clear from video footage that Ashli did not pose a danger to the officer, or any other person, when she was shot. Ashli was unarmed. She did not assault anyone. She did not threaten to harm anyone. There was no excuse for taking her life,” he added.


“It is a universal law enforcement standard that a police officer should use no more force than necessary to accomplish a lawful purpose,” Roberts continued. “At 5′ 2″ tall and 110 pounds, an arrest of Ashli could have been accomplished by a single trained officer with a set of handcuffs. At the time of the shooting, there were over a half-dozen police officers in close proximity to the Speaker’s door where Ashli was standing.”


“Some of those officers had just allowed protesters access to the door by stepping aside,” he added. “Other officers, dressed in full tactical gear, stood among the protesters just a few feet behind the door. Still others stood casually at the opposite end of the Speaker’s Lobby, unconcerned with the activities of Ashli and the protesters around her.”


We now know as the New York Times confirmed, there was a stand down order for Capitol Police on January 6. So thus poses the question, how is Ashli Babbitt dead?


“All of these officers were in a position to have aided in the apprehension of Ashli if it was necessary,” Roberts said. “Given her background as a 14-year veteran of the Air Force, it is likely that Ashli would have complied with simple verbal commands, thereby making the use of any force unnecessary.”


“However, the officer who shot Ashli never attempted to arrest her,” the attorney continued. “Nor did he call on his fellow officers to arrest her. Instead, he fired a shot into her chest.”


“Witnesses confirm that the officer did not give Ashli a single verbal warning prior to firing,” Roberts added. “In fact, Ashli was not even aware that the officer was present, as he was located in the doorway of a room off to the side of her field of vision.”




What are your thoughts on this America?

 

[Matches Malone]

Hey, I get it. ‘Merca!
Your clear and salient fact-based counter arguments have me convinced.

You are clearly too well read and informed on the intricacies of the European Theater to be interested any any more information that I could present, and your command of WW2 military history is exemplary.

I appreciate you taking the time to provide a cogent detailed analysis.

Again, I think you would appreciate and enjoy a perusal of the literature available through the CARL library when you get a chance.

I would recommend starting with the following:

Master of Military Art and Science Theses

cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org

https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p4013coll3/id/385/page/0/inline/p4013coll3_385_0

Part_1

cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org

See here for a detailed tabulation of the Lend Lease Program -> https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4013coll8/id/2421

For those history trivia buffs here, see page 38 of the PDF for the total number of Helicopters given to England during WWII.

Don’t get a attitude and start lashing out now. And there’s nothing wrong with ‘’Merica.” It’s easy to forget being wrapped in the blanket of freedom and comfort that talking about other “ narratives” in some other country can get you life in prison, killed or maimed. My fact based counter argument is just the history books in quick summery, mixed with my own personal sarcasm. You can literally pull this up anywhere. I’m not doing anything special. Most of this link you sent, skimming my through it seems to be a more in-depth agreement of what I already said. In the general time line. I fail to see what you specifically disagree about.


Feel free to elaborate on what I’m incorrect about as I’ve done. I have cited specifics and gave counter information. I mean, most us in the military can tell you that the Merchant Marines doesn’t rate any GI bill.

Unfortunately I don’t have all the free time as I wish so between doing whatever this is and uh being apart of the world, you’ll have to forgive me if It takes me a second to getting around to reading your opinion pieces. Again which they are. See attached.

The link to the lend lease program, look like it reinforced the information I mentioned related to the Soviet Union even gave more specifics that I left out like the amount of jeep sent over to the USSR. I don’t see off a glance anything that majorly conflicts with anything that i mentioned.

Also, as a matter of fact I am well read. For a pipe hitter. You’ll have to excuse my lack of enthusiasm for college opinions as left leaning socialistic views dominate our higher education. Anyone can approach and create a anti American narrative from that view point and disguise or call it a fact.

If you let it.

 

[RGStory]

Don’t get a attitude and start lashing out now. And there’s nothing wrong with ‘’Merica.” It’s easy to forget being wrapped in the blanket of freedom and comfort that talking about other “ narratives” in some other country can get you life in prison, killed or maimed. My fact based counter argument is just the history books in quick summery, mixed with my own personal sarcasm. You can literally pull this up anywhere. I’m not doing anything special. Most of this link you sent, skimming my through it seems to be a more in-depth agreement of what I already said. In the general time line. I fail to see what you specifically disagree about.


Feel free to elaborate on what I’m incorrect about as I’ve done. I have cited specifics and gave counter information. I mean, most us in the military can tell you that the Merchant Marines doesn’t rate any GI bill.

Unfortunately I don’t have all the free time as I wish so between doing whatever this is and uh being apart of the world, you’ll have to forgive me if It takes me a second to getting around to reading your opinion pieces. Again which they are. See attached.

The link to the lend lease program, look like it reinforced the information I mentioned related to the Soviet Union even gave more specifics that I left out like the amount of jeep sent over to the USSR. I don’t see off a glance anything that majorly conflicts with anything that i mentioned.

Also, as a matter of fact I am well read. For a pipe hitter. You’ll have to excuse my lack of enthusiasm for college opinions as left leaning socialistic views dominate our higher education. Anyone can approach and create a anti American narrative from that view point and disguise or call it a fact.

If you let it.

Wait.... What?
Are you mistaking the Master of Military Arts program at the United States Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas as a left leaning socialistic place of higher education? I recommend that you reconsider.

I mistook your original request as being up for a little academic discussion on the contributions of the Soviet Union towards victory in Europe. Admittedly, I was ribbing you a bit by presenting an argument in its most absurd version. Partially to instigate a real discussion. My bad.

My position is that the Soviets did more than merely "hold" the Eastern front waiting for the Western Allies come to their rescue. Nor did the Russians lack effective military leadership. I do not believe your statements to that affect were supported by evidence.

If you are just going to chest pound and ramble on about how the United States won the war, I am not interested. Perhaps you are just fired up by the dumpster trash fire this thread has become. Maybe you just need a win. Cool. I can move on.

As to who can claim victory? I will state this plainly. Any participant who desired and contributed in the eventual destruction of Nazi Germany's capacity to resist. From the partisans to the front line combatants, to the rear echelon forces, to the factory workers churning out tanks, planes, beans, bullets and bandages in the industrial complex back home. Whole picture? They all claim victory.

If you are interested in a discussion of who contributed the most to that victory through combat arms and destruction of German forces in battle, clearly the answer is the Soviets. They were then and remain today a formidable force to contend with on the battlefield. To diminish their legacy by degenerating their past battlefield prowess is stupid and frankly dangerous. The breadth of those military studies demonstrates our military's continued interest in learning from them and preparing to one day, if so required to defeat them.

You asked the question in response to some trolling Aussie attempting to distract you from bashing on his country. I think he succeeded.
Personally, I would have redirected to the Pacific War.

 

[theLBC]

why would anyone discount the russian contributions to the war?
hell, if anyone studies a minimal amount of war history, they would know that the nazi reliance on railroads, and division of resources on those railways to support the eastern front (rather than moving victims to camps or moving troops and equipment to the west) impacted the outcome.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Hey, I get it. ‘Merca!
Your clear and salient fact-based counter arguments have me convinced.

You are clearly too well read and informed on the intricacies of the European Theater to be interested any any more information that I could present, and your command of WW2 military history is exemplary.

I appreciate you taking the time to provide a cogent detailed analysis.

Again, I think you would appreciate and enjoy a perusal of the literature available through the CARL library when you get a chance.

I would recommend starting with the following:

Master of Military Art and Science Theses

cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org

https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/p4013coll3/id/385/page/0/inline/p4013coll3_385_0

Part_1

cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org

See here for a detailed tabulation of the Lend Lease Program -> https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4013coll8/id/2421

For those history trivia buffs here, see page 38 of the PDF for the total number of Helicopters given to England during WWII.

Let me make this easy here, I’m pretty sure we can all agree that the world would have been a very different place had it not been for several countries uniting to defeat the Nazi’s, period. There was no clear one country won the war. With that said, it’s also pretty clear that if America had not come to aid those other countries they would have ultimately been defeated. Make Germany fight on multi fronts and keeping them distracted allowed for key things to happen which eventually led to Nazi defeat. It wasn’t one country. If Russia hadnt played their role then the US wouldn’t have been able to play theirs and the world would have been a very different place. If you think Russia would have won this all by themselves without any outside help you are sadly mistaken. End of story. You aren’t selling that nonsense here or to anyone with any historical knowledge. But nobody can say the Russians weren’t badasses and paid with lots of blood to make things happen either. That is very much true. Anyone that knows history and knows their sacrifices should be thankful. Russia played a very key role!

The attorney for Ashli Babbitt is now speaking out in a statement.

“The shooting of Ashli Babbitt on January 6, 2021 by an unidentified U.S. Capitol Police Officer was an unjustified use of deadly force which violated her constitutional rights,” attorney Terrell N. Roberts III said.


“It is clear from video footage that Ashli did not pose a danger to the officer, or any other person, when she was shot. Ashli was unarmed. She did not assault anyone. She did not threaten to harm anyone. There was no excuse for taking her life,” he added.


“It is a universal law enforcement standard that a police officer should use no more force than necessary to accomplish a lawful purpose,” Roberts continued. “At 5′ 2″ tall and 110 pounds, an arrest of Ashli could have been accomplished by a single trained officer with a set of handcuffs. At the time of the shooting, there were over a half-dozen police officers in close proximity to the Speaker’s door where Ashli was standing.”


“Some of those officers had just allowed protesters access to the door by stepping aside,” he added. “Other officers, dressed in full tactical gear, stood among the protesters just a few feet behind the door. Still others stood casually at the opposite end of the Speaker’s Lobby, unconcerned with the activities of Ashli and the protesters around her.”


We now know as the New York Times confirmed, there was a stand down order for Capitol Police on January 6. So thus poses the question, how is Ashli Babbitt dead?


“All of these officers were in a position to have aided in the apprehension of Ashli if it was necessary,” Roberts said. “Given her background as a 14-year veteran of the Air Force, it is likely that Ashli would have complied with simple verbal commands, thereby making the use of any force unnecessary.”


“However, the officer who shot Ashli never attempted to arrest her,” the attorney continued. “Nor did he call on his fellow officers to arrest her. Instead, he fired a shot into her chest.”


“Witnesses confirm that the officer did not give Ashli a single verbal warning prior to firing,” Roberts added. “In fact, Ashli was not even aware that the officer was present, as he was located in the doorway of a room off to the side of her field of vision.”




What are your thoughts on this America?

It’s simple, the guy either went rogue because as some say he wanted to kill Trump supporters or they made you know who they are, think that their lives are worth more than yours.

 

[SilentStalkr]

the capitol police were ordered to stand down and allow the protesters to enter. there was no attack except by antifa/blm.
the patriot that was murdered did not attack anything or anyone.
if fact there were 2 armed officers standing next to her as she climbed through the window and they made no attempt to stop her.

I want someone to point out to me what exactly was considered an attack on the capital? Was it the entering of the capitol building itself after being let in or was it just rampaging areas that are normally off limits to the public aKA Nancy Pelosi’s office. What exactly constitutes an attack in the people’s minds that keep calling it that? If this was an attack to where deadly force is sufficient whether right or wrong then could one not argue that the riots and actual burning and complete destruction of private business doesn’t equally warrant deadly force? Or is it simply ok at the capitol because it’s a gov building and the politicians lives are somehow worth more than others? I’d like someone to explain all these things. With that said it would not surprise me one bit for someone with a lack of training to be scared and fire on people when they thought a mob was going to rush and overtake them. So let’s define what an attack actually is before we go on saying the capitol was attacked. While we are at it let’s define public vs. private property...and what exactly the capitol is. Are they arguing that the building should be controlled and any people entering and exiting should go through proper channels and anyone not doing so are attacking? If that’s the case then couldn’t it also be said that America is being attacked when hordes of people are coming over the border in an uncontrolled manner? You can’t make the argument that the capitol is being attacked and the country (border) isn’t. See where I’m going here? And LBC this isn’t directed to you, it was an attempt to see where some people’s minds were on this but it would seem Mr. Holmes is no longer with us.

 

[theLBC]

 

[TurboTrout]

Wait.... What?
Are you mistaking the Master of Military Arts program at the United States Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas as a left leaning socialistic place of higher education? I recommend that you reconsider.

I mistook your original request as being up for a little academic discussion on the contributions of the Soviet Union towards victory in Europe. Admittedly, I was ribbing you a bit by presenting an argument in its most absurd version. Partially to instigate a real discussion. My bad.

My position is that the Soviets did more than merely "hold" the Eastern front waiting for the Western Allies come to their rescue. Nor did the Russians lack effective military leadership. I do not believe your statements to that affect were supported by evidence.

If you are just going to chest pound and ramble on about how the United States won the war, I am not interested. Perhaps you are just fired up by the dumpster trash fire this thread has become. Maybe you just need a win. Cool. I can move on.

As to who can claim victory? I will state this plainly. Any participant who desired and contributed in the eventual destruction of Nazi Germany's capacity to resist. From the partisans to the front line combatants, to the rear echelon forces, to the factory workers churning out tanks, planes, beans, bullets and bandages in the industrial complex back home. Whole picture? They all claim victory.

If you are interested in a discussion of who contributed the most to that victory through combat arms and destruction of German forces in battle, clearly the answer is the Soviets. They were then and remain today a formidable force to contend with on the battlefield. To diminish their legacy by degenerating their past battlefield prowess is stupid and frankly dangerous. The breadth of those military studies demonstrates our military's continued interest in learning from them and preparing to one day, if so required to defeat them.

You asked the question in response to some trolling Aussie attempting to distract you from bashing on his country. I think he succeeded.
Personally, I would have redirected to the Pacific War.

We did not win, the communists were kissing cousins with the fascists in most all regards from practice to policy and post war most of the concentration camps stayed in use by the Soviets, they were also bared from being held to account for war crimes, as it was only applied to the fascists branded form of evil, when the communists were much more cruel and insidious in their killing. The communists intentionally starved and killed some 8 million of their own people to death over just one winter.

We made a deal with one devil to stop another one, the war didn’t end, it was just paused from our view.

 

[Matches Malone]

Wait.... What?
Are you mistaking the Master of Military Arts program at the United States Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas as a left leaning socialistic place of higher education? I recommend that you reconsider.

I mistook your original request as being up for a little academic discussion on the contributions of the Soviet Union towards victory in Europe. Admittedly, I was ribbing you a bit by presenting an argument in its most absurd version. Partially to instigate a real discussion. My bad.

My position is that the Soviets did more than merely "hold" the Eastern front waiting for the Western Allies come to their rescue. Nor did the Russians lack effective military leadership. I do not believe your statements to that affect were supported by evidence.

If you are just going to chest pound and ramble on about how the United States won the war, I am not interested. Perhaps you are just fired up by the dumpster trash fire this thread has become. Maybe you just need a win. Cool. I can move on.

As to who can claim victory? I will state this plainly. Any participant who desired and contributed in the eventual destruction of Nazi Germany's capacity to resist. From the partisans to the front line combatants, to the rear echelon forces, to the factory workers churning out tanks, planes, beans, bullets and bandages in the industrial complex back home. Whole picture? They all claim victory.

If you are interested in a discussion of who contributed the most to that victory through combat arms and destruction of German forces in battle, clearly the answer is the Soviets. They were then and remain today a formidable force to contend with on the battlefield. To diminish their legacy by degenerating their past battlefield prowess is stupid and frankly dangerous. The breadth of those military studies demonstrates our military's continued interest in learning from them and preparing to one day, if so required to defeat them.

You asked the question in response to some trolling Aussie attempting to distract you from bashing on his country. I think he succeeded.
Personally, I would have redirected to the Pacific War.

I made a general statement about higher education. You’re making a specifics. However yes, there are those type of people are in all aspects of our country, the military, In the courts, even coke afucking cola. Sorry to break it to you if you hadn’t heard.

There hasn’t been a real discussion. You haven’t contributed anything that wasn’t an opinion. Or redundant...
Borderline failing your initial post as far a I can tell.

This whole time we should have just jumped to this part of the conversation.
Hold the eastern front doesn’t mean waiting for rescue. Holding ground is exactly that. We hold ground in Japan today. No rescue needed. Russians held the eastern front. This is the very premise that we either need to agree or disagree on really before going any further to be honest.

My position is that Russia didn’t “win the war “by themselves. That statement is what started this.
Further more the amount of deaths the Soviets faced, Germany blizkreig into Moscow sent the Soviets to an uphill battle just to hold what they had. This is why I added this to your timeline.

This, coupled with the financial, weapon and materials benefits provided by the US, surely had an impact on Russian success. Starting at Stalingrad. Against, I wasn’t til about 1943 that red army had ousted the Germans and gaining back the territory they initially lost. In the minds of some, that would sound like they are holding the eastern front.
Imagine what would happen if the US/UK never showed up, didn’t give the USSR a thing, and just sat back and watched that shit unfold. The options an open western front would have given the Nazi’s.


Havent heard from said Aussie havent seen said Aussie. Needless to say, again, fuck what he thinks. He can stay there and enjoy Australia and worry about his own fucking politics. Doesn't ruin my day.

 

[Snuby642]

Pretty much everything is being proven one piece at a time.

When can Trump go back home?

 

[Dunraven]

msm lied? i'm shocked and appalled.

 

[addertooth]

More interesting is the fact that Congressional Representatives carried the narrative too. The Capital Hill Police report to Congress, and the representatives were well aware of the cause of death 3 months ago. But, they kept using the death of the officer as a "talking point to gain political leverage" on the floor. They kept using it LONG after they were aware it was Natural Causes. I think we should "rewind the tape" on all the statements made by Congress 2 weeks after January 6th, to spot who were the most egregious liars were. I bet almost all of them will have a "D" next to their names. But, we should make special note of any who had an "R" next to their names, and make sure they don't get re-elected.

 

[wade2big]

More interesting is the fact that Congressional Representatives carried the narrative too. The Capital Hill Police report to Congress, and the representatives were well aware of the cause of death 3 months ago. But, they kept using the death of the officer as a "talking point to gain political leverage" on the floor. They kept using it LONG after they were aware it was Natural Causes. I think we should "rewind the tape" on all the statements made by Congress 2 weeks after January 6th, to spot who were the most egregious liars were. I bet almost all of them will have a "D" next to their names. But, we should make special note of any who had an "R" next to their names, and make sure they don't get re-elected.

The R’s are just as guilty. They pushed the attack on the capital narrative as much as the democrats. They were more vocal and quick to denounce and condemn the visitors. Remember the we will spare no expense in finding all those that entered the capital talk. It came from Republicans.

As for the “make sure they don ‘t get elected” point you made, it makes no difference who you vote for or if you don’t even vote at this level of gov’t. You have no choice. You have no say. These rioters that burned down cities have shown you what it takes to be heard. I’m not advocating for the behavior but if you want change, take note.

 

[TurboTrout]

The R’s are just as guilty. They pushed the attack on the capital narrative as much as the democrats. They were more vocal and quick to denounce and condemn the visitors. Remember the we will spare no expense in finding all those that entered the capital talk. It came from Republicans.

As for the “make sure they don ‘t get elected” point you made, it makes no difference who you vote for or if you don’t even vote at this level of gov’t. You have no choice. You have no say. These rioters that burned down cities have shown you what it takes to be heard. I’m not advocating for the behavior but if you want change, take note.

Exactly,

Their response to the walk-in protest was VERY telling, they immediately dropped their WWE scripted hate for each other and joined together against the US citizens who would dare walk into...the US people’s building, what Dems said was pretty much the same as that the Rs said, not one supported the walk in.

If anyone needed proof that it IS a 2 party system, the government vs the people, just take a trip down memory lane and the video and statements

 

[TurboTrout]

Pretty much everything is being proven one piece at a time.

When can Trump go back home?

It’s was also proven covid is pretty much as deadly as the flu, yet here we are.

 

[DocRDS]

I haven't been big on following this, but this story popped into my news reading this am:

Mystery Surrounding Ashli Babbitt's Shooter Deepens as Curious Details About “Capitol Police” Emerge - Revolver News Ashli Babbitt

Who shot Ashli Babbitt? The authorities have been cagey about whether or not it was a Capitol Police officer. Do they have something to hide?

www.revolver.news

I've been pretty mute on the whole capital "insurrection" thing as its been pretty much labeled as bad ju-ju by the powers that be. But the story did make me re-evaluate the double standard we currently have and while I am not sure I am totally on the "charge the officer" camp, there are serious unanswered questions raised in that article (and I am sure beforehand--the noise certainly causes some of us to just hit the "off" button). It also shows how the narritive can overwhlem even good meaning "reasonable" people (I like to think of myself as reasonable) from the truth.

Just food for thought, and as always--keep an open mind.

Coupled with the now totally debunked Capital Officer killed narriative (that I never bought into)--man this totally got buried.

 

[theLBC]

just remember that all the .gov agencies, "experts" and mass media outlets lied to everyone about HCQ being "deadly".
fool me once...

 

[DocRDS]

It’s was also proven covid is pretty much as deadly as the flu, yet here we are.

If you will indulge me (and sorry for the double post) this is where we get in trouble. Actually COVID is more deadly than the typical flu. But the typical flu is so harmless, thats a pretty low bar. You are fighting such a low number. However, my father who has experienced much more than me, pointed out in the 50s, the "Hong Kong" flu impacted America as bad or worse than COVID, and we just soldiered on. (Not to mention the Asian or Swine Flu of the 70s). Especially since COVID nails the elderly, in the 50s we just didn't have an elderly population as the all died from that whole 'life' thing. People didn't live to be 80.

Now in fairness, if 99.9% of people survive normal flu, but if 99.8% of people survive COVID, you can actually argue both ways (Which is really where we are right now). COVID is more dealy than the acutal flu (I made the above numbers up, but they are pretty close), and for anyone under 70, its a statistical blip, even if it were twice or 10X more deadly than the flu. Therein lies the problem. Its like saying "I walk faster than a 90 year old" Pretty much everything walks faster than a 90 year old. SO yes COVID is more deadly than the flu.
You still have a 99%+ chance of surviving. THAT is the message.

Or the TLDR:
If the rate of death goes from 0.01 to 0.02, a disease is rated twice as deadly. You still have a 99.98 chance of survival. Curse of small numbers

 

[TurboTrout]

If you will indulge me (and sorry for the double post) this is where we get in trouble. Actually COVID is more deadly than the typical flu. But the typical flu is so harmless, thats a pretty low bar. You are fighting such a low number. However, my father who has experienced much more than me, pointed out in the 50s, the "Hong Kong" flu impacted America as bad or worse than COVID, and we just soldiered on. (Not to mention the Asian or Swine Flu of the 70s). Especially since COVID nails the elderly, in the 50s we just didn't have an elderly population as the all died from that whole 'life' thing. People didn't live to be 80.

Now in fairness, if 99.9% of people survive normal flu, but if 99.8% of people survive COVID, you can actually argue both ways (Which is really where we are right now). COVID is more dealy than the acutal flu (I made the above numbers up, but they are pretty close), and for anyone under 70, its a statistical blip, even if it were twice or 10X more deadly than the flu. Therein lies the problem. Its like saying "I walk faster than a 90 year old" Pretty much everything walks faster than a 90 year old. SO yes COVID is more deadly than the flu.
You still have a 99%+ chance of surviving. THAT is the message.

Or the TLDR:
If the rate of death goes from 0.01 to 0.02, a disease is rated twice as deadly. You still have a 99.98 chance of survival. Curse of small numbers

And the logic anewer would have been the same when we had any nasty virus going around, if you’re old as dirt or on deaths door maybe don’t go to that midnight rave and make out with all the other techno seniors lol

It’s also funny that all these nations with massive populations of fat people, are all of a sudden so health risk adverse.
Like some land yacht waddles into their car, double masking it, to drive to a McDonald’s, yeah bubba it’s going to be the covid that’s the instrument of your demise. Yet they’ll waive their sausage sized fingers at me for not being willing to get a shot for covid, as based on the numbers and my demographic I have a stronger chance of adverse reaction to the “cure” than I do the virus (per CDC numbers of a reaction making daily life not possible and requiring medical intervention)

After the first week of covid I pretty much figured it was way over rated and more politics than public health.

That said I notice my opinions on a few things are “odd” compared to most people who watch TV and are more susceptible to marketing, not having a TV and not really buying anything based off commercials, decades ago when I had a TV, and maybe also thanks to my parents long and boring history lessons as a kid, often I’m the odd man out on many trendy topics, including the wuhan flu.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

I have not read this whole thread so I apologize in advance if the answer to this question is already here.

Does anyone know if the Special Agent David Bailey who shot Ms. Babbit is the same David Baily who was involved in this:

Special Agents David Bailey and Crystal Griner​

United States Capitol Police, Virginia


Description
On June 14, 2017, Special Agents Crystal Griner and David Bailey were assigned to protect House Majority Whip Steve Scalise. Congressman Scalise was at the Eugene Simpson Stadium Park in Alexandria, Virginia, practicing for the annual Congressional Baseball Game for Charity with approximately 25 members of the Republican congressional baseball team, which included other members of Congress, staff, and family members.
At 7:06 a.m., a man emerged from the parking lot near the field and walked up to the fence on the third-base line. He carried a 7.62mm SKS assault rifle and a 9mm handgun. Shortly after his arrival, he opened fire on the members, staff, and family members practicing on the field.
The special agents immediately radioed for assistance and engaged the attacker, returning fire with their department-issued 40 caliber handguns to neutralize the threat and prevent the attacker from getting on the field and injuring more people.

Special Agents David Bailey and Crystal Griner, United States Capitol Police, Virginia | Bureau of Justice Assistance

Two special agents are being honored with the Badge of Bravery for their heroic services during a shooting in Alexandria, Virginia on June 14th, 2017.

bja.ojp.gov

Anyone confirm it's the same guy from 2017?

VooDoo

 

[DocRDS]

And the logic anewer would have been the same when we had any nasty virus going around, if you’re old as dirt or on deaths door maybe don’t go to that midnight rave and make out with all the other techno seniors lol

It’s also funny that all these nations with massive populations of fat people, are all of a sudden so health risk adverse.
Like some land yacht waddles into their car, double masking it, to drive to a McDonald’s, yeah bubba it’s going to be the covid that’s the instrument of your demise.

After the first week of covid I pretty much figured it was way over rated and more politics than public health.

That said I notice my opinions on a few things are “odd” compared to most people who watch TV and are more susceptible to marketing, not having a TV and not really buying anything based off commercials, decades ago when I had a TV, and maybe also thanks to my parents long and boring history lessons as a kid, often I’m the odd man out on many trendy topics, including the wuhan flu.

AS one of those land whales myself, I called my doctor early on and asked if I was high risk (I am overweight, and have diabetes--albiet controlled). He literally was like "Nah you're good--focus on managing diabetes and weight loss"

Your George Carlin is 100% on point...

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

Yup, same guy. Same bracelet...... Somethings not right about all this. I mean, more than just his gunning her down. Was he protecting a high level politician behind that final door/window?

VooDoo

 

[TurboTrout]

Yup, same guy. Same bracelet...... Somethings not right about all this. I mean, more than just his gunning her down. Was he protecting a high level politician behind that final door/window?

VooDoo

Nah, it’s like a drug guarding dog, he’s just trained to attack, I doubt much thought went into it, it pleases his masters and he’s rewarded for his behavior

 

[binazone]

The attorney for Ashli Babbitt is now speaking out in a statement.




“The shooting of Ashli Babbitt on January 6, 2021 by an unidentified U.S. Capitol Police Officer was an unjustified use of deadly force which violated her constitutional rights,” attorney Terrell N. Roberts III said.


“It is clear from video footage that Ashli did not pose a danger to the officer, or any other person, when she was shot. Ashli was unarmed. She did not assault anyone. She did not threaten to harm anyone. There was no excuse for taking her life,” he added.


“It is a universal law enforcement standard that a police officer should use no more force than necessary to accomplish a lawful purpose,” Roberts continued. “At 5′ 2″ tall and 110 pounds, an arrest of Ashli could have been accomplished by a single trained officer with a set of handcuffs. At the time of the shooting, there were over a half-dozen police officers in close proximity to the Speaker’s door where Ashli was standing.”


“Some of those officers had just allowed protesters access to the door by stepping aside,” he added. “Other officers, dressed in full tactical gear, stood among the protesters just a few feet behind the door. Still others stood casually at the opposite end of the Speaker’s Lobby, unconcerned with the activities of Ashli and the protesters around her.”


We now know as the New York Times confirmed, there was a stand down order for Capitol Police on January 6. So thus poses the question, how is Ashli Babbitt dead?


“All of these officers were in a position to have aided in the apprehension of Ashli if it was necessary,” Roberts said. “Given her background as a 14-year veteran of the Air Force, it is likely that Ashli would have complied with simple verbal commands, thereby making the use of any force unnecessary.”


“However, the officer who shot Ashli never attempted to arrest her,” the attorney continued. “Nor did he call on his fellow officers to arrest her. Instead, he fired a shot into her chest.”


“Witnesses confirm that the officer did not give Ashli a single verbal warning prior to firing,” Roberts added. “In fact, Ashli was not even aware that the officer was present, as he was located in the doorway of a room off to the side of her field of vision.”




What are your thoughts on this America?

Say her name. The coward who murdered her should be charged with murder and given a fair trial, unlike Derek Chauvin, and not in DC.

 

[seanh]

Another no clue response.

What part of a terrorist breaking through a DNC line/ barricade do you not get?

Number one, if this had been a black BLM / and Tifa person nobody would care on this site
In the examples people give, I'll add one. If an unknown assailant is trying to break through the driver side window, while the cop is sitting there, should he get out of the car at somebody down ask a bunch of questions or should he eliminate the threat.

It was a clean shoot, she's deserve to die for her actions the only reason people care is cuz she's a pretty white girl that served our country that supports Trump...

 

[QuickNDirty]

Another no clue response.

What part of a terrorist breaking through a DNC line/ barricade do you not get?

Number one, if this had been a black BLM / and Tifa person nobody would care on this site
In the examples people give, I'll add one. If an unknown assailant is trying to break through the driver side window, while the cop is sitting there, should he get out of the car at somebody down ask a bunch of questions or should he eliminate the threat.

It was a clean shoot, she's deserve to die for her actions the only reason people care is cuz she's a pretty white girl that served our country that supports Trump...

Sure about that?

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www.bitchute.com

 

[forrestgump01]

Another no clue response.

What part of a terrorist breaking through a DNC line/ barricade do you not get?

It was a clean shoot, she's deserve to die for her actions the only reason people care is cuz she's a pretty white girl that served our country that supports Trump...

You really are a morally bankrupt POS. I would literally give everything I have just to see you say that to her husband's face !
She probably contributed more to this country in one day than you will in your entire lifetime.

Matter of fact if there is anyone on this board that can make contact with Ashli's husband , let's see if we can arrange a meeting !

 

[MarinePMI]

It was a clean shoot, she's deserve to die for her actions the only reason people care is cuz she's a pretty white girl that served our country that supports Trump...

Yeah, I think you need a time out. Take a week off.