Any scope maker that still combines MIL and MOA is just behind the times and doesn't have a clue as to what the current market wants/needs I don't give a shit if they made glass for the Hubble space telescope. To the OP since you like posting pics of peoples kills why don't you post some of yours?
Rifle Scopes Why isn’t Meopta Included among the Best?
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He can't for a while. The argument is over.
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I have owned a meopta r1 3-12x56 for close to 10yrs now and yes it does have some older style features but in saying that it does everything I want I want it to do and more. The overall view through the glass is high, as high as a z6
Am currently in the process of picking up a 1-6 lpvo and if meopta had mil reticle instead of the new bdc2/3 in their 1-6, I would have picked one up immediately - now it is back to the kahles k16i. If meopta got their shit together in terms of similar feature set their scopes will be a great option for LR work.
Am currently in the process of picking up a 1-6 lpvo and if meopta had mil reticle instead of the new bdc2/3 in their 1-6, I would have picked one up immediately - now it is back to the kahles k16i. If meopta got their shit together in terms of similar feature set their scopes will be a great option for LR work.
This. ^^^
I own a MeoStar 10x42 HD and a Meopro 8x32 HD binocular and they are stupidly good. I think the MeoStar can go head to head with any of the bit boys in the binocular world.
In the tactical scope market though, glass isn’t important compared to everything else... it’s just nice to have.
Nm, just read everything that came after Morgan’s post. Good grief weatherbee....
Who cares. You couldn't pay someone in the PRS/Tactical world to use a Meopta scope because they do not have the features needed to succeed in this sport.
Absolutely. I have one of their spotting scopes and it's fantastic. Just needs a mil reticle and it would be the best selling spotter out there.
They have an eyepiece with mil reticle for their collapsible TGA75 spotter. I am planning to test one toward the end of the summer.
ILya
I think their larger spotters are probably more popular with long-range folks, no? I have the S2 82, for example. Do they make a mil reticle for that?
If they made a mil reticle for the s2 I’d pick one up in a micro second. Only wish it also had a way to mount a rangefinder.
I do not think they make an eyepiece with a reticle for that spotter. I generally , do not understand why we do not see more spotters with reticles, but I guess birders buy more of these than shooters.
ILya
Yes, definitely more popular with the bird crowd. The S2 82 is just a great spotting scope though. And it's relatively affordable. Minox has what looks like a good option with the MD 80 ZR that has a mil reticle. But it's been about two years now and it still isn't available anywhere...
Hello, I am Erik and I am the new Product Specialist with Meopta Sport Optics. I am here to help everyone with any Meopta questions you may have or help that you need. Myself & Randy (the new Director) are looking to grow the brand significantly and would truly value all of your feedback. We want to build products that you all want to use, so please feel free to let us know exactly what you are looking for. There are already some great suggestions in here, so please keep the ideas flowing!
Hi Erik. I give you props for stepping foot into these waters, though I also believe its the right thing to do, however fraught with potential pot holes.
At this point, I'll simply caution Meopta to be careful when introducing a new product. Some of the largest threads in the Scopes section here are about product roll-outs that were announced too early, introduced too quickly before all of the bugs had been worked out, announced and then finally available to market two years or more later, or released without properly vetting the concept and actual scope with professionals from the scope segment targeted.
I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors to target this market and look forward to new products to come.
At this point, I'll simply caution Meopta to be careful when introducing a new product. Some of the largest threads in the Scopes section here are about product roll-outs that were announced too early, introduced too quickly before all of the bugs had been worked out, announced and then finally available to market two years or more later, or released without properly vetting the concept and actual scope with professionals from the scope segment targeted.
I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors to target this market and look forward to new products to come.
Tough crowd to impress here, probably a collection of the most picky scope critics to be found anywhere.
That would be correct ;D
Welcome, I'd suggest looking at what Athlon has done, nice reticles and nice scopes for the money. Like the others have said, you already have good glass, add good ffp reticles, accurate travel and zero stops and you'll sell scopes to this crowd. Lower profile and locking turrets are a bonus too.
Because they are far away from the crowd in the top.
Had a Meopta meopro r2 1.7-10 because i fell for the hype, it wasn't even close to the swarovski z6 i had at the time. Tho it was cheap compared to the z6, as it should be. You get a good scope for the money it cost but nothing more. Would compare the r2 to zeiss conquest hd 5 or similar.
Swarovski and kahles grind, polish and coat their own glas, the raw glas probably comes from swarovski. The company behind these two firms isn't a small one so they can do pretty much everything inhouse.
The new ZD is not very interesting, probably fine on a hunting rig or for target practice too.
Had a Meopta meopro r2 1.7-10 because i fell for the hype, it wasn't even close to the swarovski z6 i had at the time. Tho it was cheap compared to the z6, as it should be. You get a good scope for the money it cost but nothing more. Would compare the r2 to zeiss conquest hd 5 or similar.
Swarovski and kahles grind, polish and coat their own glas, the raw glas probably comes from swarovski. The company behind these two firms isn't a small one so they can do pretty much everything inhouse.
The new ZD is not very interesting, probably fine on a hunting rig or for target practice too.
Meopta also cuts, grinds, polishes, and coats our own lenses in our production facility in the Czech Republic. Being a fully functional manufacturing facility is what allows us to keep our prices a bit under our closest competitors. If you don't mind my asking, what would you like to see in the ZD line? We are always looking for feedback to improve our line up!
I think with the ZD being a second focal plane scope, there's not a lot you could do with it to make it palatable to many shooting tactical long range. I (humbly) suggest Meopta look to their Meotac line, and grow it from there with the features mentioned above. 3-12 is a pretty low magnification for what ranges most here shoot out to; perhaps "what a bigger brother of the MeoTac feature set would be ideal?", would be a better question.
The MeoTac does have more updated features, for sure, and has a more suitable OAL. I'll ask another question if that is okay; does 30mm or 34mm main tube make a big difference to anyone personally?
If you're going to go with a higher mag range, allowing longer range engagements, then yes, a 34mm tube will give more room for elevation/windage at longer ranges. Add a christmas tree reticle option, locking turrets, zero stop and you'd be on your way to a decent offering IMHO.
For the 3-12 MeoTac, I'd push it as a high end rimfire trainer scope since it can adjust it's parallax down to about 50 yds...25yds would be better though.
Edit: To add to this, I'd suggest you reach out to ILya as well. He seems to have a good feel for what many want in this market space.
For the 3-12 MeoTac, I'd push it as a high end rimfire trainer scope since it can adjust it's parallax down to about 50 yds...25yds would be better though.
Edit: To add to this, I'd suggest you reach out to ILya as well. He seems to have a good feel for what many want in this market space.
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34mm seems to become the standard for serious tactical scopes. That said, having useful reticles, sufficient elevation adjustments, repeatable adjustments and optical performance should dictate the tube diameter. There should be a valid reason to go with a 34mm tube beyond marketing.
i have both 30 and 34, and while its not a big difference to me personally...i do have multiple shooting friends who wont go back down to 30mm for tac/precision style rigs
Thanks for thinking of me.
Erik and I are talking already. He just sent me the TGA75 spotter with reticle eyepiece to play with. I like collapsible spotters, so it should be very interesting to look at.
I'll get my hands on the 3-12x50 MeoTac eventually as well.
ILya
On tube diameter: tube diameter should be driven by what is inside it. Tube size itself is not important. If you can get the right performance out of a smaller tube, go for it. However, if whatever you are doing requires a larger tube, that is not an issue either.
With larger tube diameter, there is a slight penalty in weight and a slight advantage in stiffness. All other things being equal a larger radius tube is a little more prone to dents, so the walls need to be a little thicker.
If you have a scope with a very long tube or a very large objective, it is a little easier to keep the whole thing from flexing too much under recoil with a larger tube.
Aside from that, the issue of tube diameter, as often happens, was polluted by unscrupulous marketing claiming bigger is always better. At some point it became very difficult to determine what is marketing BS and what is a real performance-driven need.
Personally, I lean toward leaner and lighter designs. My primary general purpose precision scope is Tangent Theta TT315M with a 30mm tube. I prefer it to the 34mm TT315P because it is lighter. It has less of an adjustment range, but enough for my needs.
On the other hand, the larger precision scope I seem to use the most right now is Delta Stryker HD 4.5-30x56 which is a 34mm design and I ahve no qualms with it either. Form should follow function.
ILya
With larger tube diameter, there is a slight penalty in weight and a slight advantage in stiffness. All other things being equal a larger radius tube is a little more prone to dents, so the walls need to be a little thicker.
If you have a scope with a very long tube or a very large objective, it is a little easier to keep the whole thing from flexing too much under recoil with a larger tube.
Aside from that, the issue of tube diameter, as often happens, was polluted by unscrupulous marketing claiming bigger is always better. At some point it became very difficult to determine what is marketing BS and what is a real performance-driven need.
Personally, I lean toward leaner and lighter designs. My primary general purpose precision scope is Tangent Theta TT315M with a 30mm tube. I prefer it to the 34mm TT315P because it is lighter. It has less of an adjustment range, but enough for my needs.
On the other hand, the larger precision scope I seem to use the most right now is Delta Stryker HD 4.5-30x56 which is a 34mm design and I ahve no qualms with it either. Form should follow function.
ILya
While Spotters with reticles are highly desirable, the fact is, fewer people are using (read) carrying spotters. We can do it all from behind the rifle now with recoil management. It's more an admin thing vs being on the clock for people. In order to make an impact in the Spotter world with shooters, you'll find on SH, it has to be less than $2000 out of the box. I use spotters to teach, but never one to shoot.
The better idea is to get a highly viable reticle design and putting it in a set of binos. Meopta appears to still use the P3 Mil Dot, which is dead on the vine. That is a no go on so many levels it's hard to emphasize just how bad offering anything with a standard P3 is. Then put this design in a pair of binos as they are better when looking to find targets to engage. Remember nobody "Mils" targets anymore, it's more looking to identify them and then potentially calling adjustments for a shooter. A great set of binos are easier to carry and can be tripod mounted replacing the heavy spotter.
Reticles are the issue for almost every class of shooter. Scopes can live or die on the shelf just based on the reticle. You need to update the reticles to a more modern and usable design.
Finally, the wrapper you are using is old and outdated. Guys expect a certain, "look" to their optics. These design look circa 1992 to many and that is a non-starter as well. You need target turrets with 10 Mils per revs, even on the crossover hunting optics, it's better to have target type turrets than just basic capped adjusting ones.
I did not read the entire thread so if this was covered, apologies in advance. We know Meopta has nice optics, but place in an old design with a P3 reticle will not garner you any sales.
The better idea is to get a highly viable reticle design and putting it in a set of binos. Meopta appears to still use the P3 Mil Dot, which is dead on the vine. That is a no go on so many levels it's hard to emphasize just how bad offering anything with a standard P3 is. Then put this design in a pair of binos as they are better when looking to find targets to engage. Remember nobody "Mils" targets anymore, it's more looking to identify them and then potentially calling adjustments for a shooter. A great set of binos are easier to carry and can be tripod mounted replacing the heavy spotter.
Reticles are the issue for almost every class of shooter. Scopes can live or die on the shelf just based on the reticle. You need to update the reticles to a more modern and usable design.
Finally, the wrapper you are using is old and outdated. Guys expect a certain, "look" to their optics. These design look circa 1992 to many and that is a non-starter as well. You need target turrets with 10 Mils per revs, even on the crossover hunting optics, it's better to have target type turrets than just basic capped adjusting ones.
I did not read the entire thread so if this was covered, apologies in advance. We know Meopta has nice optics, but place in an old design with a P3 reticle will not garner you any sales.
I tend to spend a lot of time with low power scopes, so I like having a spotter to read the conditions. It is also helpful for spotting for other people. I am definitely with you that when using modern high end riflescopes that go up above 20x, a spotter is not real critical. Still, I have a nostalgic thing for collapsible spotters, so I want to look at Meopta's.
I absolutely agree on the rest of it. When I first saw a prototype of the 3-12x50 MeoTac, I told them to use a lower turret and I told them to get busy on modern reticle designs. I even offered to draw one for them if they are out of ideas.
They should definitely get a reticle into one of their binos. I am getting a lot of good use out of SWFA's inexpensive 12x32 bino with a reticle. I mostly use it off a tripod using a simple tripod mounting plate from Precision Rifle Solutions. A reticle in Meostar 12x50 or 15x56 binocular would be a very useful addition.
ILya
I do have a Meopta spotter. The Meostar HD 82. It is a great optic. I have never actually used it outside of taking it out of the box and testing it. Why? Exactly what Frank said above. There is no need to use a spotter while actually shooting. It's nice to be able to spot for someone during a match. But otherwise, I can spot my own shots through my rifle scope just fine.
For my precision shooting, I need a reticle that matches my turrets, FFP, and reliable adjustments.
Within those needs, I want a scope that has the best glass, best reticle, best build quality, and most features within my budget. Something with decent glass that misses the mark on some must have items isn’t even on the table for me.
Within those needs, I want a scope that has the best glass, best reticle, best build quality, and most features within my budget. Something with decent glass that misses the mark on some must have items isn’t even on the table for me.
interesting subject, i am owner of 6-24x56 ZD, i use it for long range shooting and hunting,
regarding optical image in the day it is among top tier optics, at night even better than some top tier, at night i use 12x mag at night with mh27.../i compared it with swar, s&B, stainer,zeis.../
i get used to its faults as MIL/MOA and SFP.... so it is no problem for me, for someone else probaly....
have heard some story about revised new model with SFP and MIL/MIL but nothing yet...
R2 models are best ones for hunting applications
clicks are precise! no deviation at all!
regarding optical image in the day it is among top tier optics, at night even better than some top tier, at night i use 12x mag at night with mh27.../i compared it with swar, s&B, stainer,zeis.../
i get used to its faults as MIL/MOA and SFP.... so it is no problem for me, for someone else probaly....
have heard some story about revised new model with SFP and MIL/MIL but nothing yet...
R2 models are best ones for hunting applications
clicks are precise! no deviation at all!
What you heard is correct! The 6-24X56 ZD is available as MIL / MIL with SFP Mil-Dot 2, MT-223, or MT 308 reticle.
SFP on a 6-24 scope is a deal breaker for me. If you're targeting the precision rifle shooting community, this is a complete miss.
I don't know a single person who's shot more than a few matches with a SFP optic.
I don't know a single person who's shot more than a few matches with a SFP optic.
Erik if I may add my .02 everything that has already been said plus toolless zero/rezero capability.
simple hack for zero stop
as stated by many MIL/MOA is old system, but I am used to it....
would i change the glass because of those setbacks? nope
did i wanted to change in the beginning, yes
did i made errors because of those things, yes in the beginning, then overcome
can i shoot it precisely at unknown distances, yes
adapt, improvise overcome - term used in one of US movies...
meopta is true at 12x, label over turrets with DOPE, shoot have fun
this is for old SFP model, the new FFP with MIL/MIL is even better because all setbacks are now improved
The ZD 6-24 was originally a joint venture with Meopta and the Czech military to my knowledge. That being said, with input from forums such as this, we are definitely looking to provide products in the future that will better fit the competitive optics market. FFP is certainly one of the improvements we are looking into (no pun intended).
save your money and buy proven optics like NF, SB, Kahles, Leupold, TT, Minox...
Meopta scopes are good for hunting, but not for tactical, sport, LR etc. purposes. Many shooters complain about reliability issues with tracking / holding zero, turrets...repeatedly going for service / warranty repairs. I do not know a single competition shooter or LE/Military unit in Europe which has their optics on rifles except hunting crowd (because they usually do not dial turrets).
Meopta scopes are good for hunting, but not for tactical, sport, LR etc. purposes. Many shooters complain about reliability issues with tracking / holding zero, turrets...repeatedly going for service / warranty repairs. I do not know a single competition shooter or LE/Military unit in Europe which has their optics on rifles except hunting crowd (because they usually do not dial turrets).
I don't work in the optical manufacturing field, but I do work in subcontract manufacturing for a different industry.
I know that OEMs in all industries closely guard their component sourcing strategies and I would be very skeptical of anyone claiming publicly that they know where Swarovski/S&B/whoever gets their optical glass from.
Do you have direct experience with Meopta products or are you just making assumptions and repeating shit you heard?
I say nothing positive or negative about Meopta products because I've never used one.
well, it is your money and your rifle. Come back after year of usage with dialing turrets and report how it tracks / holds POI - zero.
This was of course an off the record claim. I’m sure manufacturers don’t want everyone to know that you are paying for their name and marketing costs, possibly. Meopta does make Nightforce spotting scopes. That is a fact I know of.
meopta OEMs a lot, think of it as the LOW of Europe.
just a thought, I travel a lot and often when in a new town I gauge where to eat by the cars in the parking lot. I think that is the point being made above
just a thought, I travel a lot and often when in a new town I gauge where to eat by the cars in the parking lot. I think that is the point being made above
