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50% of Chinese Windmills Failed Inspection with Cracks

DarnYankeeUSMC

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  • Mar 18, 2012
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    In your head
    What did they expect? Walmart quality at it's finest!
    That is on only the first 40 to be inspected. I wonder if they have a warranty
     
    Buy cheap buy often. The whole wind farm is Chinese owned, so I guess the Aussies really sold out.
     
    All part of the plan....... Saw this 30 years ago when chinese boilers were imported and installed in schools.... Started to blow up and injure children...... Boy, that got covered up..... We were cutting them apart and making 100% Xray welds and putting them back together.......
     
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    One day all this will be at the bottom of the ocean off the coast of VA beach

    Though it doesnt show on Google Maps yet they are also building a HUGE solar panel project.in Pittsylvania county Virginia just south west of Gretna, Va. Thousands of them all on rotating frames to maximize solar input.
     
    Outcry? Australia fucking supports China and its policies... What's the problem? It's kind of like going to gettin cheap Mexico tools at the flea market and then complaining when they break and don't last.
     
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    What did they expect? Walmart quality at it's finest!
    That is on only the first 40 to be inspected. I wonder if they have a warranty

    I could tell you horror stories about wind farms.

    Same reason Chinese bolts are not allowed anywhere near any United States Bridge projects.

    We had a supplier here source Chinese bolts and repackaged them as originating in the USA.
    It cost them 14.5 million
     
    Outcry? Australia fucking supports China and its policies... What's the problem? It's kind of like going to gettin cheap Mexico tools at the flea market and then complaining when they break and don't last.
    sounds about right. They took away all the Aussie's guns so there will be no resistance when the chinks invade.
     
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    China already has enough slave labor, they don’t need more.

    What China needs is energy to power their manufacturing and food to feed the 1.5 billion people they already have. Cut these off and China implodes on its self.

    Look at China as being your cheap slave labor...
     
    Considering the wind farm is Chinese-owned why should anyone care about it.

    Still would take this with a grain of salt as the inspecting party was the one pushing to use locally manufactured towers, that are not the part with cracks.
    Cracks on a cowling that is not a structural part so ........ take it with a grain of salt. These days China bad is the name of the game for the MSM propaganda machine, particularly in the UK and the colonies that are second only to North Korea when it comes to propaganda and fake news MSM generates.


    Having spent much of my career working composites with at least passing insights into a wind turbine project or two , talk of cracks without picts to back it up .......meh

    Meanwhile some damage you see on carbon fiber parts on airliners that still fly around with damage like this , some would call this type of damage cracks , but they are not.
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    China already has enough slave labor, they don’t need more.

    What China needs is energy to power their manufacturing and food to feed the 1.5 billion people they already have. Cut these off and China implodes on its self.

    Look at China as being your cheap slave labor...

    Chinese labor is not really that cheap for past decade and much of the labor intensive work already migrated to much cheaper Asian destinations or even Mexico is that is cheaper.

    They have an unrivaled capacity to scale industrial production, while folks think China= is cheap shit, while that has been mostly true, you have to understand that its the customer that dictates the cheap shit (same products would be shit even if made in US) not that they can't make better shit. China is evolving much faster than folks think.


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    Just for fun google some vids from Sandy Munro the guy is quite an authority in car business


     
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    Chinese labor is not really that cheap for past decade and much of the labor intensive work already migrated to much cheaper Asian destinations or even Mexico is that is cheaper.

    They have an unrivaled capacity to scale industrial production, while folks think China= is cheap shit, while that has been mostly true, you have to understand that its the customer that dictates the cheap shit (same products would be shit even if made in US) not that they can't make better shit. China is evolving much faster than folks think.
    O yeah, they are rapidly advancing. Not doubting that, but they struggle to fuel their massive manufacturing industry which is slowing their growth potential. Energy is their achilles’ heel just like any nation. If they starting getting overly aggressive and shipping was embargoed, any short term adventures would turn against them in the long run. China’s best move is to show strength but not use it, and acquiring things through bribery and more peaceful means. Not invading and enslaving other populations at gun point.
     
    O yeah, they are rapidly advancing. Not doubting that, but they struggle to fuel their massive manufacturing industry which is slowing their growth potential. Energy is their achilles’ heel just like any nation. If they starting getting overly aggressive and shipping was embargoed, any short term adventures would turn against them in the long run. China’s best move is to show strength but not use it, and acquiring things through bribery and more peaceful means. Not invading and enslaving other populations at gun point.
    And theyre chocking themselves with pollution.
     
    Wind and solar make up about 10% of electrical energy. It will never keep up with what a good ole coal fired plant or gas can produce. Unless demand goes way down which won't happen. They are pissing in the wind. We have all the energy we need right here.
     
    Question for the knowledgeable ones. When you factor in the cost of materials, lifespan, construction, etc, are wind turbines operating in the red? Another feel good bullshit idea... kinda like electric cars and their batteries , which are so so practical in rural areas etc. :rolleyes:
     
    Question for the knowledgeable ones. When you factor in the cost of materials, lifespan, construction, etc, are wind turbines operating in the red? Another feel good bullshit idea... kinda like electric cars and their batteries , which are so so practical in rural areas etc. :rolleyes:

    Apparently not the ones made in China.
     
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    Question for the knowledgeable ones. When you factor in the cost of materials, lifespan, construction, etc, are wind turbines operating in the red? Another feel good bullshit idea... kinda like electric cars and their batteries , which are so so practical in rural areas etc. :rolleyes:
    Wind turbines are profitable no doubt, the pace of development in regards to blade size= tubine power has been so rapid that the 15+y old wind farms are very uncompetitive in comparison to new ones. But as we can expect the prices of electricity to only really go up if electric cars become the norm, these wind projects will only become more profitable in the future.

    When i was last involved with wind turbines, 100m turbines that are the norm now were cutting edge developments, like in all sectors cost-effectiveness increases exponentially with size.
    Also, note that once you have a wind farm up you can continue upgrading to more efficient turbines with limited fuss compared to breaking new ground
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    But of course, when it comes to grid stability, you need large nuclear or coal plants to keep the grid stable and a bunch of gas powered plants to work on-demand as renewables are not producing constant power all day or all year round.

    And like most renewables, they are hardly renewable at end of life ,no way to recycle them blades, but keep in mind same problem with most RVs,Boats, etc..
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    And theyre chocking themselves with pollution.
    Yes. They heavily rely on smaller diesel powered generators to power a lot of their factories. About 10 years ago or so they cornered the market on diesel, if you drive a diesel truck and aware of when diesel prices starting moving high above gasoline prices. One of the reasons was china buying up all the diesel, to power the factories.

    Doing it like this Is one of the reasons China has such a smog problem.

    It’s also why they’re so interested in controlling the South China Sea, the whole nine dash line dispute, lotta potential energy out there in that Sea.
     
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    Yes. They heavily rely on smaller diesel powered generators to power a lot of their factories. About 10 years ago or so they cornered the market on diesel, if you drive a diesel truck and aware of when diesel prices starting moving high above gasoline prices. One of the reasons was china buying up all the diesel, to power the factories.

    Doing it like this Is one of the reasons China has such a smog problem.

    It’s also why they’re so interested in controlling the South China Sea, the whole nine dash line dispute, lotta potential energy out there in that Sea.

    I dont think is about diesel or generators .

    First and foremost they are the worlds industry hub , all the dirty industry that we offshored ended up there.

    Second more important is the emission regulations, in the west coal power plants built anytime in past 30+years all have filltration to reduce emmisions many older chinese ones don't .

    Folks have no idea about the magnitudes of difference between emissions from old vs new plants.

    For example in 250+ coal fired powerplants in EU produce a fraction of the emissions of one single old powerplant in Ukraine. One fucking plant . Imagine having multiple such plants. China is full of these older gen plants without filtration.

    Burshtynska TPP is the dirtiest power plant in Europe, Ukraine emits more toxic dust containing heavy metals than all EU countries,Turkey, and the Western Balkans combined.
    Ukraine produces 72% of all emissions of fly ash, 27% of sulfur dioxide, and 16% of nitrogen oxides in all of Europe combined with Turkey.


    Continental Europe emissions, Ukraine is like China. , note the emission share of tiny Balkan countries, which is down to old primitive coal plants not the number or power these plants generate
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    I dont think is about diesel or generators .

    First and foremost they are the worlds industry hub , all the dirty industry that we offshored ended up there.

    Second more important is the emission regulations, in the west coal power plants built anytime in past 30+years all have filltration to reduce emmisions many older chinese ones don't .

    Folks have no idea about the magnitudes of difference between emissions from old vs new plants.

    For example in 250+ coal fired powerplants in EU produce a fraction of the emissions of one single old powerplant in Ukraine. One fucking plant . Imagine having multiple such plants. China is full of these older gen plants without filtration.

    Burshtynska TPP is the dirtiest power plant in Europe, Ukraine emits more toxic dust containing heavy metals than all EU countries,Turkey, and the Western Balkans combined.
    Ukraine produces 72% of all emissions of fly ash, 27% of sulfur dioxide, and 16% of nitrogen oxides in all of Europe combined with Turkey.


    Continental Europe emissions, Ukraine is like China. , note the emission share of tiny Balkan countries, which is down to old primitive coal plants not the number or power these plants generate
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    I agree modern power plants are much “greener” and China still uses many older plants without the modern catalysts.

    That Doesn’t take away from the fact that the use on site diesel generators is extremely high when compared to other countries. Is it solely responsible, no but it’s part of the problem.

    Even right now the Chinese government is rationing electricity supplies and a lot of businesses are scrambling to use generators to develop on site power.

     
    I must admit, for some reason I was not aware that the use of racial slurs was an acceptable form of discourse in the Bear Pit these days.
     
    I find it interesting that China has the largest installed capacity of wind turbines in the world, yet they are selling seemly sub standard blades.

    Makes one wonder if they are pawning off known substandard equipment on world markets while keeping the good ones for their own use.
     
    I would have guessed more than 50% were having problems
     
    I find it interesting that China has the largest installed capacity of wind turbines in the world, yet they are selling seemly sub standard blades.

    Makes one wonder if they are pawning off known substandard equipment on world markets while keeping the good ones for their own use.


    The article provides some clues.
    First the cracks are on the top of the Nacelle housing. They are not on the blades, turbine, or mechanical parts.
    Second the project was completed in 2020 and only began operation in July this year. These are installed and operational turbines.
    Third the inspectors were the Union reps, who were concurrently upset that union jobs were lost to China manufacturing facilities.

    Fourth, and perhaps the most important point that was neglected from this article is that the Stockyard Hill Wind Farm is owned by a subsidiary of the same company that manufactured the turbines.....