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Didnt get that sent to me, just passing info on. Somebody here with more info will chime in soon enough.
Paul's instagram said it was less than 25 shots.
What does it mean to get a record? Is there a standard target size and limited number of shots? Just trying to figure out how these records are measured. Crazy long shot and a feat in itself. Just curious though...
Very important and defining question.
Less than 25. Ok, so it's basically sheer luck or something else, and with such a low hit prob this "record" is just another let's pour lead down range until we make a hit, and let's face this, if it ain't repetable it means nothing IMHO. Not bashing the fun of it, just the real value behind this "pushing the limits off".
I did not see anywhere where they claimed a record, just everyone else outside stating it's a record.
More of pushing boundaries. Interesting if you have the spare time
1/2 moa target ... most can't do that at 100 yards
More of pushing boundaries. Interesting if you have the spare time
1/2 moa target ... most can't do that at 100 yards
Wonder how big the recticle lines are. Would think it would cover a lot of the target at that distance.
If you could even see the target.
If you could even see the target.
With a first focal plane scope, if your reticle doesn’t cover a 1/2 MOA target at 100 yards, it won’t cover a 1/2 MOA target at 1000 yards...
That and Charlie Tarac:
https://www.tacomhq.com/civ-charlie-tarac.html
He was just shooting for his personal best, just to shoot and have fun - pushing his own limits. It took him 22 rounds to hit a 48” x 32” target.
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I guess I’d be a impressed it he followed up with another hit or 2...
My personal best is 90 yards on a woodcock with a 410. Got him on a first round hit too ?
My personal best is 90 yards on a woodcock with a 410. Got him on a first round hit too ?
? thanks. But I wouldn’t bet on myself to make a follow up hit was really my point.
If he hit it again then I’d say it’s impressive. Otherwise; it’s kind of like my shot...
I ground pounded a turkey at 110 yards, 12 gauge, 3" magnum 00 buck, I chalked it up more to my desire to kill rather than actually hunt.
The Wright brothers first flight went 120 ft, their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th were not much more impressive, Others took the reigns.
Right now, the distance is set, let's see what happens down he road before saying this is not significant.
even if it was luck to do it in 25 shots its still impressive that he even hit it at all. with out the equipment and the skill it for sure would have taken more shots or perhaps never contacted . It is impressive even if he cant do it again but I bet he can dance around the target better then any one else
I wouldn't say this feat is significant, because the goal of this game is about aimed shots, trajectory calculations and the works.
If the shot is repeatable, no doubt it fully qualifies as an outstanding achievement. But it was not, it's the result of unlimited ammo and time, under no ruling, so it was just a matter of patience, not the full application of science, equipment and skills.
Let's get honest, we don't have the technology to go much further than 1.5 miles with a high enough hit prob, at least not for a foreseeable future.
Let's say I'm 100% wrong, then someone please stand up and explain me the hit ratios during last year's KO2M, World Record Shot etc. In all cases, it's pretty much evident than when reaching 2500 or so, some sort of wall pops up, making all further attempts more the result of luck than ballistics performance.
I vouch for the fun of trying this out, why not? But there is not much to hold up beyond that and the attempt to push the limits off.
In my personal view, LR or ELR by the same token is about the application of science, a way to do things in a very specific and predictable way in order to ensure a high hit prob. I'm not by any means trying to say this is a truth carved in stone, just my personal take of the game.
If we’re not serious enough about what is doable and set the boundaries in a logical and predictive way, well, anyone will be entitled to call “record” or else to any freak shots.
Bottom line, what is the lesson learned here? I mean professionally speaking. I'm asking in good faith because I found none, other than the use of marketing as shown during SHOT. Nothing wrong about but don't tell me this is a serious thing.
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I would be curious to measure the velocity at the hit, to calculate energy. Kinda cool to look at it like that.
I think it would be cooler to see the whole vid if there is one, from 1st shot to hit. Either validate the speculation, or put it to rest. A lot of air space covered, just having the glass or ability to spot a feat in itself, barring a forward spotter.
If you do hit something that far the energy left over is becoming less than lethal. Lets go 8000 yards and bring a band-aid in case someone gets hit. It's starting to becoming pointless except for the challenge.
Don't get me wrong ... I do think its an awesome achievement
Don't get me wrong ... I do think its an awesome achievement
It wasn’t about a record. It was extreme practice. Pushing the limits of your crew and learning from the experience. I’d bet he has a better understanding of his setup and the crew will take that knowledge to the next comp. those that say it’s not impressive aren’t even willing to try it. If you only practice at the ranges found in competition you won’t ever get any farther than that. ELR is about pushing the limits, if we stop pushing how will we ever learn
Lethality has nothing to do with ELR shooting. It’s about hitting a target at extreme range
ELR shooting has nothing to do with the ability to kill, that would be ELR hunting
Lethality has nothing to do with ELR shooting. It’s about hitting a target at extreme range
ELR shooting has nothing to do with the ability to kill, that would be ELR hunting
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I would think that a bullet fired at roughly 45 degrees will reach its peak and fall with a terminal velocity.
On a 50 with a 800 grain bullet at around 800 FPS it would be like getting shot several times with a 45 Colt.
I would like to be at the targert with a pair of welding gloves on and see of I can catch the bullet with my hands lol
And...safety glasses.
Have you ever shot a 48” target at 1 mile? 2 miles? 3 miles? How about over 3.4 miles? Because that is the distance he hit a 48” target.
It’s so easy to set on a computer and diss the accomplishments of others without having any idea of or experience with doing the same.
I’m with those that agree that this is a push to see how far one can push limits and not some nebulous attempt at a world record. I personally have only shot at 1 mile plus a bit at a 36” target. I did manage a 14” three consecutive shot group on that target at 1840 yards, after two rounds to get on target. However, there were six people out on that day and only two of us made any impacts at that distance.
I say, come on out and shoot some real ELR with what you have. Then decide if you respect those that push things more than three times that far, just to see if they can.
When I shoot, my goal is to at least in some way mimic a potential real-life scenario. I can't imagine a target (human or animal) 48" wide that would be completely unresponsive to 20+ bullets bouncing around it before one hits home. That was my point. Maybe I'm wrong?
If this is an equipment test, then I suppose by that barometer it could be considered a success. But that's kind of where I draw the line. It's JMHO, and I seriously doubt the shooter cares. I'm just sharing it on a forum, and it's worth what you paid for it.
I do get what you're saying, and I probably came off more negatively than I imagined. I guess my "come on" was more aptly put as "seems odd to put the time and effort into something where the ultimate goal is to be excited about 20+ missed shots before hitting an unreasonably large target"
Another way of looking at it, the 48" target at 6K is .8moa. Most can't hit a .8moa target first shot at1K. I may be somewhat with you on that maybe an IPSC should have been the standard, from1500 out. But, realistic goals come into play too.
Yet you could not let it die the death it deserved, good job!
