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Barrel break in help!

Meyer1784

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Just bought by first precision rifle- MPA chambered in 6.5 creedmoor with mpa barrel. Is it necessary to break in the barrel to obtain the rifles best accuracy? If so, what steps should I take? Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks,

Matt
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What Frank said! I run a couple patches through a new barrel then go shoot the crap out of it.
 
Most of the better/best barrel manufacturer hand-lap the bore which helps, correct? After 2 Bartleins...like the others said, shoot, enjoy, clean.
 
I run a wet patch then dry patch it out when I receive it to remove anything that might be in there. I then go to the range and shoot 50rds or so then clean it as usual
 
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Before you hit the range, run a quick patch down the bore to make sure there is nothing in the way.

Go to the range, Shoot it, enjoy the day, zero it, dope it, and when you get home clean it as usual

Break in Complete

Okay, red flag. A lot of vague, "clean it as usual" statements being thrown out there on a man's first high-dollar precision baby. Being a person of exacts, specifics and methods, my OCD is spiked.
FIRST - Before you go shoot it, PLEASE make sure your cleaning procedure is up to speed with the right tools and products to do it RIGHT without ruining your new barrel. More select match grade barrels and crowns are fucked up by their owners during their cleaning process because they're still using the same incorrect methods and products their dad used on his $149 Marlin 30-30. I always thought my dad was Superman, come to find out, he was just a drunk that liked to wear a cape.

OK, here is an excellent writeup from Speedy Gonzalez from Brownell. This is a safe, simple 3-step process that leaves your barrel like new every time IF you can follow a simple narrative and take some advice from a professional in his field.

S. G. & Y. Precision Rifles, LLC - Barrel Break-In & Cleaning Procedures
by Speedy Gonzalez​
Many of our customers upon taking delivery of their new gun or barrel are in a quandary as how to go about breaking-in that new barrel for maximum life and accuracy. With so much written in magazines these days stating use this, don’t use that, brush, don’t brush...what’s a person to do??

At S.G. &Y. Precision Rifles, we have a unique opportunity to inspect many barrels on a daily basis with our video borescope. Consequently, we see the results of a variety of break-in as well as cleaning procedures, and most of them leave the rifle owners with their mouth agape when they see the fruits of their misinformed labor on our bore scopes color monitor. We have seen practically new barrels ruined with less than a hundred rounds shot through them by some of the crazy and sometimes humorous break-in methods employed. Anyway here goes for what it’s worth.

SPEEDY’S RULES FOR PROPER RIFLE HYGENE & BREAK-IN

A. Bore guides:

1st Rule of Thumb:
If the brush will go through it, it’s too damn big!

2nd Rule of Thumb:
If you don’t have one, get one!
Without a good bore guide, you are just wasting your time trying to break-in a barrel or cleaning it for that matter. More barrels are destroyed or severely damaged and life shortened by cleaning without a proper bore guide than by shooting. There are many types and brands of bore guides available on the market and range in price from $5.00 to $50.00. The only one we recommend is the Lucas two-piece bore guide. They are the best insurance you can buy for that new barrel. All other bore guides in my opinion are only good for one thing, keeping the solvents out of the trigger and action (refer to rule #1).

A LUCAS bore guide is made up of two sections. One is a guide similar to most available on the market. What sets the Lucas apart from the rest is its smaller second guide which has a hole reamed just large enough to for the rod to pass
through it. This section then slips into the main one and keeps the cleaning rod centered in the bore no matter how you bend the rod up and down or side to side.

B. Solvents:

There are three solvents we recommend they are as follows:

1) SWEETS 7.62

Sweets is used in our in our cleaning procedures only as a bore lubricant prior to pushing the brush through the barrel. Sweets is composed of mostly large soap molecules similar to household dishwashing detergents. Because of the lubricity provided by the soap in the Sweets it allows the brush to easily slide through the bore on its first pass. Not to mention removing all of the loose powder and carbon residue left in the barrel prior to cleaning.

NOTE: Sweets can also be used in extreme cases of copper fouling. The procedure in this worst case scenario is as follows.
A) Brush the barrel with Sweets (kiss brush good-bye).
B) Let bore soak 5 to 10 minutes (No Longer on Chrome Molly Barrels. Sweets and CM don’t get along very well together for very long).
C) Now soak a patch with HYDROGEN PEROXIDE and very, very slowly push it through the bore. A chemical reaction will take place between the Ammonia in the Sweets and the Hydrogen Peroxide causing all copper to go into suspension as the reaction takes place. The muzzle of your rifle will look as if it has rabies as the patch slowly nears the crown and you see all of the foaming reaction that is taking place. The blue green colors you see as the patch exits the barrel will amaze you.
D) Inspect the bore after you patch it out with Butches(see below), by placing a Q-Tip just inside the crown. This will light up the bore and allow you to check for any remaining copper. If there are still traces of copper a second application will usually finish the job.
E) At this point you should clean the barrel a described below. If the barrels is chrome moly, we recommend that it be put up using SPEEDY’S FORMULA (described below) . The black powder solvent portion of the formula will protect the bore from any rusting or pitting as it does black powder flintlocks or cap & ball long rifles.

2) BUTCHES BORE SHINE
Through out the years we have tried every type of solvent there is known to man and then some you don’t even want to hear about. But none have ever done as good a job as Butches Bore Shine. Used on a regular basis Butches will keep even the largest overbore barrel as clean as the day it was chambered. Or if you like to make your own concoctions...

3) SPEEDY’S FORMULA
The Speedy Formula is used for the protection of the bore when putting a firearm up for the season or prolonged storage. For those of you poor souls that do not have Butches Bore Shine available to them this solvent is a very good second choice. This was the best we had found up to the advent of Butches.

SPEEDY’S FORMULA is made up as follows:
Mix 2/3 Hoppes No. 9 Plus Black Powder Solvent with 1/3 Regular Hoppes No. 9 Nitro Solvent. Let this mixture set overnight and it will form a sort of gel that adheres very well to the brush and cuts powder fouling to a minimum.

C. Procedure for “Break-in”:
Although we at S.G. & Y. Precision Rifles feel an extensive break-in procedure is not necessary for the custom barreled rifles we build since they all have a hand lapped finish in them. The procedure probably does have some merit when applied to a factory barreled rifle that has an, as machined finish from the factory and a non lapped bore surface.
Custom barrels are lapped to impart a finish to the bore that will produce as little copper fouling as possible throughout the length of the barrel.

Before firing that first round through the barrel, we will clean the barrel as if it had been shot, by following these simple steps.

Step 1)
Insert Lucas bore guide into receiver and chamber. If you don’t have one, STOP here and get one! If not, just shoot your gun and forget trying to take any care of your barrel at all. If you do have one, proceed, and give yourself one “At-A-Boy” for being astute enough to have purchased the proper tools for the job.
NOTE: One “AW SHIT!!” wipes out all “At-A-Boys”.

Step 2)
Select the correct caliber jag, and run one wet patch of Sweets through the bore, ALL THE WAY OUT THE END, and unthread the jag from the rod. Let soak for approximately 30 seconds. Do not patch this out. Remember this is going to serve as our lubricant for the brush as we push it down the bore for the first time.

Step 3)
Next, run the brush through the lubricated barrel ONLY enough to expose the entire brush as it exits the muzzle. Yes, I KNOW, that you still have 12 more inches
of cleaning rod you could push out the end of your barrel, but we want to protect that new crown. Also, if the rod hangs out that far, you will eventually start wearing down the rifling at the crown from about 4 to 8 o’clock. This is very bad “JU-JU” for accuracy. Plus we get to make an extra $40 when you need to re-crown the puppy. OK, back to Step 3. Once the brush is exposed, unthread it from the rod and saturate it well with Butches Bore Shine. Re-thread back onto the rod and SLOWLY run the brush through the bore 10 complete back and forth passes while keeping the rod as straight as possible. This is where the Lucas bore guide really pays for itself! Remember, the key word is slowly. We are not trying to break any land speed records today. Let this sit a minute or two and proceed to the next step.

Step 4)
After you have let the barrel soak for a few moments, saturate a patch with the Butches Bore Shine and pass it through the bore ALL THE WAY OUT THE END, and unthread the jag from the rod. Follow this procedure with 2 dry patches remembering to unthread the jag from the rod everytime, and then with a chamber mop or patch wrapped around a brush on a short cleaning rod, dry the “CHAMBER” of the barrel with Brake Kleen or lighter fluid.

NOTE: We wrote “DRY THE CHAMBER” not the bore of the barrel.

Next, gently wipe the crown off with a soft cloth or patch and lube your bolt (let’s not gall the lugs just yet). Now, you’re ready to shoot your first shot.

Then follow the schedule below to complete your barrel break-in.

1. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 1 shot.

2. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 5 shots.

3. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 10 shots.

4. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 10 to 15 shots and clean again.

D) Additional Cleaning Tips:

1. Never, ever use a Stainless Steel cleaning rod in Stainless barrels! They are much harder than the barrel's steel and can damage a barrel beyond repair in a New York minute. We highly rods with ball bearing handles My #1 choice, the John Dewey coated rods ( Note: Make sure that the handles continue to spin freely on the Dewey rods. They have a habit of locking up after the bearings take a set into the red plastic handle. This is easily corrected by purchasing a box of 3/32 loose ball bearings and filling the races completely).
We have also seen several powder-coated rods that have scratched the bore through its entire length, once the powder coating started to chip off.

2. Each time you clean your rifle, you may wish follow the last dry patch through the bore with a patch soaked with LOCK-EEZ if the bore felt a bit too dry as you passed that last patch through it prior to drying the chamber. This is a graphite powder suspended in a quick evaporating carrier that coats the bore slightly before passing that first round through a completely dry bore. LOCK-EEZ is available at S.G. & Y. Precision Products and most NAPA stores around the country.

3. We are always asked about powder fouling and how to remove it. The only product that we have seen that really does a good job on powder fouling, especially on the carbon ring that forms just ahead of where the neck ends in the chamber, is IOSSO Bore Paste. This is used with an IOSSO BLUE NYLON bristle brush and worked slowly in the neck and throat areas, then slowly down the entire bore. Follow this up with a few wet patches of Butches Bore Shine. Then patch out the bore as if you had brushed as usual, and you’re again ready to shoot.

E. Follow the outline above and make it your regular cleaning program and I promise that your barrels will deliver their greatest potential accuracy and extend their life without a lot of grief and hours of wondering if they are clean.

Good Shooting,

Speedy Gonzalez
Trinidad State Junior College & Brownells Technical Assistant
 
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There is no barrel break in required on a hand lapped barrel.
What you are breaking in, is the throat.
You have a nice, sharp chamber, when your bullet makes the jump, a tiny bit of jacket material is going to be shaved off, the fine material will be vaporized by the heat and carried down the bore.
You need to remove that buildup at the throat juncture and the deposits down the bore.
Refer to the instructions above.
When shooting a brand new chamber, I shoot no more than three rounds, then clean it. Once I get to 20 rounds, I don't worry about it any more.
Factory barrels, I don't worry about at all.
If all else fails, follow the instructions of the smith that built it.
 
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You need to remove that buildup at the throat juncture and the deposits down the bore.
Refer to the instructions above.
When shooting a brand new chamber, I shoot no more than three rounds, then clean it. Once I get to 20 rounds, I don't worry about it any more.
Factory barrels, I don't wor


I used to believe this until I started chambering my own barrels. I’d inspect the chamber and throat with a bore scope after the job, and again after the first range session. What I would find after the first 50 rounds kinda shocked me. I’d be staring at bright stainless steel throat with just a hint of coudiness from powder residue. I have also brought the scope to the range and inspected between shots. There just isn’t that much going on in there. I end up at the same place as I did after a shoot-n-clean, but without wasting a range session.
 
PS,

Any time any of you ANAL RETENTIVE Break In and Cleaning Junkies want to compare groups, round count before needing to be cleaned, fouling, etc, whichever Metric you want to use, let me know. I will compare my results to yours and use factory ammo only to demonstrate the accuracy.

One Caveat, we are shooting off a bipod only, not these heavyweight rigs, compare my rifle to yours apples to apples, no break in, limited cleaning, vs your overly complex and stupid procedures which do nothing but waste your time and reduce your barrel life.
 
Cleaning Method,

1. Wet Patch
2. Wet Nylon Brush
3. 4 Strokes
4. Wet Patch
5 Dry Patches X3

Done !

Don't waste your time with those stupid complex break in / cleaning methods, they are just wasting your time and barrel

Exact cleaning method I use. I use a Butchs copper brush but whatever.
 
The above is simple, takes me 5 mins to clean start to finish. Not complex, just highly-specific, not overly-simplified and if no one has ever told him, improper cleaning methods can fuck up his new stick. Agreed on break in, just start developing load.
 
I'll keep following the Gale McMillan break in procedure. Just shoot the thing. I believe that more rifles get ruined by these elaborate cleaning procedures than anything else. I was brought up believing that I had to keep running patches through until they came out clean.

Then, when I started reloading I couldn't figure out why my loads I developed with a completely virgin butthole clean barrel would go to shit after 20 rounds. Once I stopped cleaning the ever loving shit out of my rifles, I stopped having those issues. Barrel break in is just taking away from the accurate life of the barrel for no reason at all. One thing I've always wondered: how does a bronze brush and a fabric patch take burrs out of stainless or chromoly?
 
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Thank you all for the advice. I’m going to go with lowlights process. Much simpler for a beginner like myself and I’d say he’s a credible source lol.
 
Out of at least ten custom match barrels, i have broken in two of them. Those two barrels have shot the best out of all the others. I'm as sceptical as they come, but i will break in all my barrels from now on. All i use is mpro7 gel. It works great for carbon/copper. I dont mix solvents, that is not smart because I'm not a chemist.
 
After a long day of shooting, here's my stupid, anal-retentive, overly-complex cleaning that wastes about 5 minutes per rifle of my time (should sound familiar):

-Stick a Lucas Bore Guide in the chamber
-1 Wet patch with Sweets 7.62
-5 strokes with nylon brush wet with Butches Bore Shine.
-1 Wet patch with Butches Bore shine.
-3 dry patches.
-Spin a chamber mop with a shot of brake cleaner in the chamber.
-Stick it in the safe.

Done

Has worked well for all my under-8 lb with scope, Proof carbon fiber barreled, bipod-only, precision mountain hunting rifles that shoot same-hole groups all day long.

But what the fuck do I know, I'm a nobody...
 
Okay, red flag. A lot of vague, "clean it as usual" statements being thrown out there on a man's first high-dollar precision baby. Being a person of exacts, specifics and methods, my OCD is spiked.
FIRST - Before you go shoot it, PLEASE make sure your cleaning procedure is up to speed with the right tools and products to do it RIGHT without ruining your new barrel. More select match grade barrels and crowns are fucked up by their owners during their cleaning process because they're still using the same incorrect methods and products their dad used on his $149 Marlin 30-30. I always thought my dad was Superman, come to find out, he was just a drunk that liked to wear a cape.

OK, here is an excellent writeup from Speedy Gonzalez from Brownell. This is a safe, simple 3-step process that leaves your barrel like new every time IF you can follow a simple narrative and take some advice from a professional in his field.

S. G. & Y. Precision Rifles, LLC - Barrel Break-In & Cleaning Procedures
by Speedy Gonzalez​
Many of our customers upon taking delivery of their new gun or barrel are in a quandary as how to go about breaking-in that new barrel for maximum life and accuracy. With so much written in magazines these days stating use this, don’t use that, brush, don’t brush...what’s a person to do??

At S.G. &Y. Precision Rifles, we have a unique opportunity to inspect many barrels on a daily basis with our video borescope. Consequently, we see the results of a variety of break-in as well as cleaning procedures, and most of them leave the rifle owners with their mouth agape when they see the fruits of their misinformed labor on our bore scopes color monitor. We have seen practically new barrels ruined with less than a hundred rounds shot through them by some of the crazy and sometimes humorous break-in methods employed. Anyway here goes for what it’s worth.

SPEEDY’S RULES FOR PROPER RIFLE HYGENE & BREAK-IN

A. Bore guides:

1st Rule of Thumb:
If the brush will go through it, it’s too damn big!

2nd Rule of Thumb:
If you don’t have one, get one!
Without a good bore guide, you are just wasting your time trying to break-in a barrel or cleaning it for that matter. More barrels are destroyed or severely damaged and life shortened by cleaning without a proper bore guide than by shooting. There are many types and brands of bore guides available on the market and range in price from $5.00 to $50.00. The only one we recommend is the Lucas two-piece bore guide. They are the best insurance you can buy for that new barrel. All other bore guides in my opinion are only good for one thing, keeping the solvents out of the trigger and action (refer to rule #1).

A LUCAS bore guide is made up of two sections. One is a guide similar to most available on the market. What sets the Lucas apart from the rest is its smaller second guide which has a hole reamed just large enough to for the rod to pass
through it. This section then slips into the main one and keeps the cleaning rod centered in the bore no matter how you bend the rod up and down or side to side.

B. Solvents:

There are three solvents we recommend they are as follows:

1) SWEETS 7.62

Sweets is used in our in our cleaning procedures only as a bore lubricant prior to pushing the brush through the barrel. Sweets is composed of mostly large soap molecules similar to household dishwashing detergents. Because of the lubricity provided by the soap in the Sweets it allows the brush to easily slide through the bore on its first pass. Not to mention removing all of the loose powder and carbon residue left in the barrel prior to cleaning.

NOTE: Sweets can also be used in extreme cases of copper fouling. The procedure in this worst case scenario is as follows.
A) Brush the barrel with Sweets (kiss brush good-bye).
B) Let bore soak 5 to 10 minutes (No Longer on Chrome Molly Barrels. Sweets and CM don’t get along very well together for very long).
C) Now soak a patch with HYDROGEN PEROXIDE and very, very slowly push it through the bore. A chemical reaction will take place between the Ammonia in the Sweets and the Hydrogen Peroxide causing all copper to go into suspension as the reaction takes place. The muzzle of your rifle will look as if it has rabies as the patch slowly nears the crown and you see all of the foaming reaction that is taking place. The blue green colors you see as the patch exits the barrel will amaze you.
D) Inspect the bore after you patch it out with Butches(see below), by placing a Q-Tip just inside the crown. This will light up the bore and allow you to check for any remaining copper. If there are still traces of copper a second application will usually finish the job.
E) At this point you should clean the barrel a described below. If the barrels is chrome moly, we recommend that it be put up using SPEEDY’S FORMULA (described below) . The black powder solvent portion of the formula will protect the bore from any rusting or pitting as it does black powder flintlocks or cap & ball long rifles.

2) BUTCHES BORE SHINE
Through out the years we have tried every type of solvent there is known to man and then some you don’t even want to hear about. But none have ever done as good a job as Butches Bore Shine. Used on a regular basis Butches will keep even the largest overbore barrel as clean as the day it was chambered. Or if you like to make your own concoctions...

3) SPEEDY’S FORMULA
The Speedy Formula is used for the protection of the bore when putting a firearm up for the season or prolonged storage. For those of you poor souls that do not have Butches Bore Shine available to them this solvent is a very good second choice. This was the best we had found up to the advent of Butches.

SPEEDY’S FORMULA is made up as follows:
Mix 2/3 Hoppes No. 9 Plus Black Powder Solvent with 1/3 Regular Hoppes No. 9 Nitro Solvent. Let this mixture set overnight and it will form a sort of gel that adheres very well to the brush and cuts powder fouling to a minimum.

C. Procedure for “Break-in”:
Although we at S.G. & Y. Precision Rifles feel an extensive break-in procedure is not necessary for the custom barreled rifles we build since they all have a hand lapped finish in them. The procedure probably does have some merit when applied to a factory barreled rifle that has an, as machined finish from the factory and a non lapped bore surface.
Custom barrels are lapped to impart a finish to the bore that will produce as little copper fouling as possible throughout the length of the barrel.

Before firing that first round through the barrel, we will clean the barrel as if it had been shot, by following these simple steps.

Step 1)
Insert Lucas bore guide into receiver and chamber. If you don’t have one, STOP here and get one! If not, just shoot your gun and forget trying to take any care of your barrel at all. If you do have one, proceed, and give yourself one “At-A-Boy” for being astute enough to have purchased the proper tools for the job.
NOTE: One “AW SHIT!!” wipes out all “At-A-Boys”.

Step 2)
Select the correct caliber jag, and run one wet patch of Sweets through the bore, ALL THE WAY OUT THE END, and unthread the jag from the rod. Let soak for approximately 30 seconds. Do not patch this out. Remember this is going to serve as our lubricant for the brush as we push it down the bore for the first time.

Step 3)
Next, run the brush through the lubricated barrel ONLY enough to expose the entire brush as it exits the muzzle. Yes, I KNOW, that you still have 12 more inches
of cleaning rod you could push out the end of your barrel, but we want to protect that new crown. Also, if the rod hangs out that far, you will eventually start wearing down the rifling at the crown from about 4 to 8 o’clock. This is very bad “JU-JU” for accuracy. Plus we get to make an extra $40 when you need to re-crown the puppy. OK, back to Step 3. Once the brush is exposed, unthread it from the rod and saturate it well with Butches Bore Shine. Re-thread back onto the rod and SLOWLY run the brush through the bore 10 complete back and forth passes while keeping the rod as straight as possible. This is where the Lucas bore guide really pays for itself! Remember, the key word is slowly. We are not trying to break any land speed records today. Let this sit a minute or two and proceed to the next step.

Step 4)
After you have let the barrel soak for a few moments, saturate a patch with the Butches Bore Shine and pass it through the bore ALL THE WAY OUT THE END, and unthread the jag from the rod. Follow this procedure with 2 dry patches remembering to unthread the jag from the rod everytime, and then with a chamber mop or patch wrapped around a brush on a short cleaning rod, dry the “CHAMBER” of the barrel with Brake Kleen or lighter fluid.

NOTE: We wrote “DRY THE CHAMBER” not the bore of the barrel.

Next, gently wipe the crown off with a soft cloth or patch and lube your bolt (let’s not gall the lugs just yet). Now, you’re ready to shoot your first shot.

Then follow the schedule below to complete your barrel break-in.

1. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 1 shot.

2. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 5 shots.

3. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 10 shots.

4. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 10 to 15 shots and clean again.

D) Additional Cleaning Tips:

1. Never, ever use a Stainless Steel cleaning rod in Stainless barrels! They are much harder than the barrel's steel and can damage a barrel beyond repair in a New York minute. We highly rods with ball bearing handles My #1 choice, the John Dewey coated rods ( Note: Make sure that the handles continue to spin freely on the Dewey rods. They have a habit of locking up after the bearings take a set into the red plastic handle. This is easily corrected by purchasing a box of 3/32 loose ball bearings and filling the races completely).
We have also seen several powder-coated rods that have scratched the bore through its entire length, once the powder coating started to chip off.

2. Each time you clean your rifle, you may wish follow the last dry patch through the bore with a patch soaked with LOCK-EEZ if the bore felt a bit too dry as you passed that last patch through it prior to drying the chamber. This is a graphite powder suspended in a quick evaporating carrier that coats the bore slightly before passing that first round through a completely dry bore. LOCK-EEZ is available at S.G. & Y. Precision Products and most NAPA stores around the country.

3. We are always asked about powder fouling and how to remove it. The only product that we have seen that really does a good job on powder fouling, especially on the carbon ring that forms just ahead of where the neck ends in the chamber, is IOSSO Bore Paste. This is used with an IOSSO BLUE NYLON bristle brush and worked slowly in the neck and throat areas, then slowly down the entire bore. Follow this up with a few wet patches of Butches Bore Shine. Then patch out the bore as if you had brushed as usual, and you’re again ready to shoot.

E. Follow the outline above and make it your regular cleaning program and I promise that your barrels will deliver their greatest potential accuracy and extend their life without a lot of grief and hours of wondering if they are clean.

Good Shooting,

Speedy Gonzalez
Trinidad State Junior College & Brownells Technical Assistant


Ummmm... no.
 
I have friend that scrubs the hell out of his barrel every time he pulls the trigger. He has more problems than anyone I have ever seen. When accuracy goes I run some patches down the barrel , brush a few times and dry. 10 minutes tops and done
 
This argument is like to wear or not wear a seatbelt. You will have those that say "I haven't ever worn a seatbelt and I am fine." You're not fine because you never wore a seatbelt, you're fine in spite of NOT wearing a seatbelt. Same goes with this break in voodoo. The barrel doesn't shoot great because of your overly complex break in procedure, it does so in spite of said break in procedure.
 
Exact cleaning method I use. I use a Butchs copper brush but whatever.

Me too, I like nylon. I was told once it wont remove the carbon ring, so I switched to copper. Then switched back.
After a long day of shooting, here's my stupid, anal-retentive, overly-complex cleaning that wastes about 5 minutes per rifle of my time (should sound familiar):

-Stick a Lucas Bore Guide in the chamber
-1 Wet patch with Sweets 7.62
-5 strokes with nylon brush wet with Butches Bore Shine.
-1 Wet patch with Butches Bore shine.
-3 dry patches.
-Spin a chamber mop with a shot of brake cleaner in the chamber.
-Stick it in the safe.

Done

Has worked well for all my under-8 lb with scope, Proof carbon fiber barreled, bipod-only, precision mountain hunting rifles that shoot same-hole groups all day long.

But what the fuck do I know, I'm a nobody...

Quit wasting your time cleaning and post us a one hole all day long 5x5 then. I am surprised you don't have chamber rust problems using brake cleaner in your chamber, that stuff is drier than a fish turd in a sand storm.
 
side question - for nylon brushes are they all made the same or are some really better than others? Which ones are better quality? Seems the ones I have fall part quickly.
 
I clean my barrels once in a blue moon. Still get the same results as those clean after every range trip guys. Go figure. I don't know who started that whole, ruin your rifles accuracy if you don't do a proper break-in nonsense. Now, you CAN ruin your gun by not using the right tools to clean your rifle and causing damage to your barrel, but other than that...I've done the break-in routine in the past. None of those rifles I had shot any more accurately than my current rifles which I no longer waste time on with barrel break-in regiments.
 
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I clean my barrels when I get the whim.

That generally turns out to be about every third shooting session, but there's absolutely nothing scientific about the 'when'.

I never use any solvent besides Hoppe's #9; it's kept my barrels clean enough (another deep discussion, but I'll pass...) for going on 60 years now (Why? Well, there's the smell, and, well, I don't like the way the other ones smell, and......).

When I use a brush, it's nylon, I use it only as a solvent applicator, and I clean pretty much exactly the same as LL recommends.

I would never clean a rifle I intend to keep owning without using a rod guide (I even use one on the muzzle end of my Garand, which is my pride and joy treasure above all treasures). A rod guide guides the rod, and is intended to fit the rod without any significant wiggle/rattle.

I have done everything mentioned above and more at one time or another (but not the chicken foot thing...but now I'm curious...). My basic conclusion is that I really annoyed a bunch of very nice barrels before I got my head back on straight enough (another deep discussion, etc. ...).

Accuracy is about load development/load selection.

That is all...

Greg
 
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What are the advantages of a nylon brush vs. metal? I've always assumed metal was better and have shied away from nylon.
Thanks for your response.
 
I did the whole "barrel break in" one time when I was younger and that was the biggest waste of my time. Do as low light says and enjoy the rifle.
 
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Quit wasting your time cleaning and post us a one hole all day long 5x5 then. I am surprised you don't have chamber rust problems using brake cleaner in your chamber, that stuff is drier than a fish turd in a sand storm.

Here ya go little fella:
7mm-300WSM / 200yd zero
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Jesus man, I agree! If you'd actually read what I said or read the article, he clearly states:

"Although we at S.G. & Y. Precision Rifles feel an extensive break-in procedure is not necessary for the custom barreled rifles we build since they all have a hand lapped finish in them"...

I assumed by his post he didn't know everything like all the rest of you when you state, just "clean as usual" and maybe had never heard that running a harder-than-your-barrel-stainless rod is bad, or letting the patch jag bang off the 4o'clock - 8o-clock position of the crown when pulling it back through is not gonna help things over time. Just trying to help a brother out with a quick read on how not to fuck up a barrel from front to back. If he took one thing from it that kept him from doing that after reading something, then what's the fucking hangup? I've never fucked up a barrel with a little insight and common sense.
 
Lol, oh good, I'm glad we've reached the mature part of the conversation Supercorndogs. Pro-Dick is good acronym for you...
 
Ugh, I apologize man, sorry that wasn't cool.
Yes, those are some the best groups of my three favorite rigs. You asked for one-hole groups, there ya go. Sorry for being a dick.
 
Ugh, I apologize man, sorry that wasn't cool.
Yes, those are some the best groups of my three favorite rigs. You asked for one-hole groups, there ya go. Sorry for being a dick.

Ditto, not really any substance to anything I said or anything that would help anyone. On the other hand you put some good info out there. And posted some nice groups. Sorry.
 
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Ditto, not really any substance to anything I said or anything that would help anyone. On the other hand you put some good info out there. And posted some nice groups. Sorry.

Thanks brother. I rarely take offense and swear, and did both in one thread. I'm sorry man.
 
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What?! A squashed beef on the Hide? Stop the insanity. You two take that back.

Orkan, get in here and yell at someone about CLR, please...
Lol,I love this place,I am with the guys that quit cleaning my rifles so much,my cleaning is usually every 2-300 rounds though,but it’s very similar to Lowlights or Clownbusters.
 
I'm currently using a Dewey bore guide because I was unsuccessful contacting Lucas. Is the Dewey bore guide good enough for my Tikka t3x to avoid damaging the bore?