Cadex is proud to release its Tundra Strike stock for 3 variants of the very popular Tikka T3 rifles chambered in short action calibers 
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Honest question. How do you expect to compete? 2.6 lbs , nothing adjustable, no rail, no mounts, no flush caps. Tikka factory has T3x UPR, T3x LITE ROUGHTECH, T3x LITE ADJUSTABLE models.
MDT XRS exists, and it is even cheaper. KRG Bravo exists. Grayboe Phoenix.
Is it about colors or what is the value proposition here?
MDT XRS exists, and it is even cheaper. KRG Bravo exists. Grayboe Phoenix.
Is it about colors or what is the value proposition here?
Lite adjustable don't exist everywhere. Also they only have the factory mag. Factory Tikkas don't come in AICS. These are also aimed at hunters.
Tundra Strike is a "hunting stock" which is feature barren as most factory plastic ware at 2.6 lbs.
Grayboe Phoenix has adjustable cheek, bottom m-lock and flush cups. What hunter is against flush caps and m-lock bottom and adjustable cheek? Less weight too.
MDT XRS runs circles around it and is cheaper. KRG Bravo is light and not expensive, tons of upgrade potential. Come on, magpul hunter 700 looks like a lavish excess in comparison.
What market are you talking about, EU? GRS 2.31 lb:
GRS Hunter Light
The Hunter Light is our lightest and shortest rifle stock. Adjustable and Ergonomic, this stock makes you shoot faster and more accurately.
www.grsriflestocks.com
What is Tundra Strike MSRP? Around $450 USD? Do you really consider this to be a good new product in 2021?
It's targeted for hunting. More traditional feel but with features such as the bedding block. If you want adjustable then look at the strike nuke. I have fondled the competitor lines that you mentioned and IMO the Cadex strike nuke is in another league. It's a solid piece of kit that is meticulously machined. I would expect that the tundra strike is just as well built. Cadex gear is rock solid.
Tundra Strike is a "hunting stock" which is feature barren as most factory plastic ware at 2.6 lbs.
Grayboe Phoenix has adjustable cheek, bottom m-lock and flush cups. What hunter is against flush caps and m-lock bottom and adjustable cheek? Less weight too.
MDT XRS runs circles around it and is cheaper. KRG Bravo is light and not expensive, tons of upgrade potential. Come on, magpul hunter 700 looks like a lavish excess in comparison.
What market are you talking about, EU? GRS 2.31 lb:
GRS Hunter Light
The Hunter Light is our lightest and shortest rifle stock. Adjustable and Ergonomic, this stock makes you shoot faster and more accurately.www.grsriflestocks.com
What is Tundra Strike MSRP? Around $450 USD? Do you really consider this to be a good new product in 2021?
Only two posts are borderline bashing new product from commercial supporter.
Noted.
Well you do know it it’s not revolutionary bigger, stronger, faster, lighter and cheaper it has to be junk..
there can’t be room in the market for a different flavor.
hell let’s just take all the R700 pattern actions off the market as well, and only offer blueprinted originals for 400$.
there can’t be room in the market for a different flavor.
hell let’s just take all the R700 pattern actions off the market as well, and only offer blueprinted originals for 400$.
People absolutely HATE being enticed to spend more money. That's why every new product gets trashed on every forum online... innovative or otherwise. Most often it is because they don't want the burden in their mind of the pressure to earn more and they can not reconcile it with the lingering desire for new things. So they just knee-jerk into "that's stupid" because it immediately alleviates the pressure. The more people they can rally to that cause, the better they feel.
Those with legitimate observations will propose them in a respectful manner, especially if they've never touched the product in question.
The sporter swept grip immediately makes this product a non-starter for me... as it will essentially make 90° trigger manipulation just as impossible as any other sporter stock. Yet I'm thinking I'm not their target market, so my opinion doesn't matter. So I wish them success.
The truth of the matter is, options are good. The market will decide if it is worthwhile. More options are always better than fewer options.
Those with legitimate observations will propose them in a respectful manner, especially if they've never touched the product in question.
The sporter swept grip immediately makes this product a non-starter for me... as it will essentially make 90° trigger manipulation just as impossible as any other sporter stock. Yet I'm thinking I'm not their target market, so my opinion doesn't matter. So I wish them success.
The truth of the matter is, options are good. The market will decide if it is worthwhile. More options are always better than fewer options.
Maybe the idea is use it a couple month a year
to do activity X, not full time for everything
like activity P,Q,R etc which requires tradeoffs
to do activity X, not full time for everything
like activity P,Q,R etc which requires tradeoffs
I agree that the market is already flooded with non-adjustable hunting stocks with awkward grip angles.
I'm not really a hunter, so perhaps my comments are a bit misplaced. But as someone who's looking to get more into hunting, I would really appreciate a manufacturer that produces an adjustable, ergonomic stock, with a more upright grip angle, and at a moderate price.
For those reasons, if I was to buy a hunting stock today, I would probably overlook this one to get something like a KRG Bravo.
I wish Cadex the best of success, but this stock isn't for me.
I'm not really a hunter, so perhaps my comments are a bit misplaced. But as someone who's looking to get more into hunting, I would really appreciate a manufacturer that produces an adjustable, ergonomic stock, with a more upright grip angle, and at a moderate price.
For those reasons, if I was to buy a hunting stock today, I would probably overlook this one to get something like a KRG Bravo.
I wish Cadex the best of success, but this stock isn't for me.
For $450 plus shipping?I'll trade my factory stock for one
Hi,
Who cares what HE will pay for it??
We get it...you do not like it...so move on.
I suspect your time here on SH will be short lived.....
Sincerely,
Theis
Hi gentlemen.
Thanks for all the kind words... We respect your opinions, but opinions are like ass hole, every one's got one...
We are very happy with the response so far, especially from the Canadian and International markets where products availability isn't as high as in the USA. We understand that this product may not be the most needed in USA, but USA isn't the only country for which we design products. To be very honest, if only all our new product releases could be this popular we'd be more than happy
Sometimes we develop products from scratch, sometimes we simply kill two birds with one stone and realize that adapting a current product could fulfill a demand by simply tweaking couple measurements here and there... Last year we needed a conventional hunting stock for our new hunting rifle line-up. We soon realized that there was a lot of request for a variant to fit the Tikkas. We checked and there was enough material left to create a dedicated inlet for the Tikka, so we did. It would've been stupid not to add this config to our line-up even if the US demand may not justify it. In fact, if Tikka Finland would've survey the US market over ten years ago to see if their action would sell, they probably wouldn't ever launched it as it's just starting to grow in USA while it's been extremely popular for years in other countries...
We'd like to thank every one capable to share their opinion respectfully. We know that we'll never win the battle against "keyboard ninjas" or "competing brand's fan boys" hidden under a nickname. It's a catch 22 before even starting. Still, we appreciate Sniper's Hide community and we felt that you deserved some explanations.
Thanks in advance for your respectful comments and for your support towards a SH contributor.
Patrice, Cadex Sales Director.
Thanks for all the kind words... We respect your opinions, but opinions are like ass hole, every one's got one...
We are very happy with the response so far, especially from the Canadian and International markets where products availability isn't as high as in the USA. We understand that this product may not be the most needed in USA, but USA isn't the only country for which we design products. To be very honest, if only all our new product releases could be this popular we'd be more than happy
Sometimes we develop products from scratch, sometimes we simply kill two birds with one stone and realize that adapting a current product could fulfill a demand by simply tweaking couple measurements here and there... Last year we needed a conventional hunting stock for our new hunting rifle line-up. We soon realized that there was a lot of request for a variant to fit the Tikkas. We checked and there was enough material left to create a dedicated inlet for the Tikka, so we did. It would've been stupid not to add this config to our line-up even if the US demand may not justify it. In fact, if Tikka Finland would've survey the US market over ten years ago to see if their action would sell, they probably wouldn't ever launched it as it's just starting to grow in USA while it's been extremely popular for years in other countries...
We'd like to thank every one capable to share their opinion respectfully. We know that we'll never win the battle against "keyboard ninjas" or "competing brand's fan boys" hidden under a nickname. It's a catch 22 before even starting. Still, we appreciate Sniper's Hide community and we felt that you deserved some explanations.
Thanks in advance for your respectful comments and for your support towards a SH contributor.
Patrice, Cadex Sales Director.
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Hi gentlemen.
Thanks for all the kind words... We respect your opinions, but opinions are like ass hole, ever one's got one...
We are very happy with the response so far, especially from the Canadian and International markets where products availability isn't as high as in the USA. We understand that this product may not be the most needed in USA, but USA isn't the only country for which we design products. To be very honest, if only all our new product releases could be this popular we'd be more than happy
Sometimes we develop products from scratch, sometimes we simply kill two birds with one stone and realize that adapting a current product could fulfill a demand by simply tweaking couple measurements here and there... Last year we needed a conventional hunting stock for our new hunting rifle line-up. We soon realized that there was a lot of request for a variant to fit the Tikkas. We checked and there was enough material left to create a dedicated inlet for the Tikka, so we did. It would've been stupid not to add this config to our line-up even if the US demand may not justify it. In fact, if Tikka Finland would've survey the US market over ten years ago to see if their action would sell, they probably wouldn't ever launched it as it's just starting to grow in USA while it's been extremely popular for years in other countries...
We'd like to thank every one capable to share their opinion respectfully. We know that we'll never win the battle against "keyboard ninjas" or "competing brand's fan boys" hidden under a nickname. It's a catch 22 before even starting. Still, we appreciate Sniper's Hide community and we felt that you deserved some explanations.
Thanks in advance for your respectful comments and for your support towards a SH contributor.
Patrice, Cadex Sales Director.
I don't think the comments are coming from a bashing perspective. Well, most aren't.
I provided my comments from a perspective as someone who has a background in precision rifle shooting, and looking to get into hunting. As such, there's certain qualities that I look for in a stock that traditional hunting stocks don't provide. Currently, there isn't many products that fill that role, and my comments are being provided as a consumer that hopes that a manufacturer comes up with a product that I (and I'm assuming many others) are looking for.
Keep in mind, the majority of people logging on to snipers hide come from a similar background as mine. We are looking for certain qualities and features in our products, and if the products don't meet the criteria, we aren't afraid of providing some feedback. Don't look at this as critiquing, or bashing, or being "keyboard ninjas". It's an opportunity to take this feedback that you are getting directly from the consumers, and applying it to your products. As consumers it's to our benefit to have more options, and as such, its in our benefit to see companies like yours succeed. There's no ill intent here.
I hope I'm not interpreting your post wrong, but your reply seems a bit standoff-sh. It comes across as "we are the manufacturer and we know best, this product sells well everywhere else, so if you don't like it, perhaps the issue is with you". Calling us "keyboard ninjas", "brand fanbois" and saying our opinions are metaphorically like assholes doesn't really help your message either.
I wish Cadex the best of luck, sounds like you have lots of prospective buyers with this specific product, and for that I'm happy for you. It also sounds like Cadex has no interest in my opinions and my well intended constructive critiques, so in the future I'll refrain from providing any constructive feedback that could be used to refine your products. If it's solely confirmation bias that you seek, then I'll let the "brand fanbois" handle that.
PS - I kind of dig that hunter/blaze orange
Tundra Strike is a "hunting stock" which is feature barren as most factory plastic ware at 2.6 lbs.
Grayboe Phoenix has adjustable cheek, bottom m-lock and flush cups. What hunter is against flush caps and m-lock bottom and adjustable cheek? Less weight too.
MDT XRS runs circles around it and is cheaper. KRG Bravo is light and not expensive, tons of upgrade potential. Come on, magpul hunter 700 looks like a lavish excess in comparison.
What market are you talking about, EU? GRS 2.31 lb:
GRS Hunter Light
The Hunter Light is our lightest and shortest rifle stock. Adjustable and Ergonomic, this stock makes you shoot faster and more accurately.www.grsriflestocks.com
What is Tundra Strike MSRP? Around $450 USD? Do you really consider this to be a good new product in 2021?
If you two have nothing constructive to say, then STFU
If you don't like this stock, don't spend your money on it and STFU
Holy shit that's dumb
I have news for those who think in terms of tactical rifles only. You're far from the market driver both here and in Europe.
There's a significant market in Europe for driven hunting rifles. Driven hunt rifles need to handle almost like shotguns because almost all shots are taken offhand on moving (walking or running) animals in dense to mixed woods/brush. Besides low power variable scopes or reflex sights, those rifles need detachable magazines for fast reloads and stocks that let the user swing quickly while standing unsupported.
And even tho driven hunts are rare here, the terrain and vegetation of much of the eastern US is very similar to that of central Europe and such a stock is also well suited to a lot of hunters and riflemen.
The blocky stocks with rails and vertical pistol grips that so many favor here (and are perfect for a different application) are completely useless in the kind of shooting this stock is meant for.
There's a significant market in Europe for driven hunting rifles. Driven hunt rifles need to handle almost like shotguns because almost all shots are taken offhand on moving (walking or running) animals in dense to mixed woods/brush. Besides low power variable scopes or reflex sights, those rifles need detachable magazines for fast reloads and stocks that let the user swing quickly while standing unsupported.
And even tho driven hunts are rare here, the terrain and vegetation of much of the eastern US is very similar to that of central Europe and such a stock is also well suited to a lot of hunters and riflemen.
The blocky stocks with rails and vertical pistol grips that so many favor here (and are perfect for a different application) are completely useless in the kind of shooting this stock is meant for.
Hell, look at the advert...……...it shows the stock being used exactly that way.
Amazing that the point went over so many heads.
The thing that was most puzzling about the photo... was that it depicts a hunter in freezing cold conditions... but the guy has a bolt of metal through his eye socket. lol
I wouldn't consider that kind of hardware poking through your skin to be a real wise idea in arctic conditions. That was the only issue I had with the advert.
I'm an old curmudgeon when it pertains to piercings and tattoos though. The thing that was most puzzling about the photo... was that it depicts a hunter in freezing cold conditions... but the guy has a bolt of metal through his eye socket. lol
I wouldn't consider that kind of hardware poking through your skin to be a real wise idea in arctic conditions. That was the only issue I had with the advert.
Yeah the piercings are a hard pass for me too
Y'all must be use some weird and goofy stocks then... because I have cranked more running coyotes offhand or off a pair of sticks with McMillan A3's, A5's, and even Desert Tech SRS's than I can count.
I think it has more to do with familiarity than it does the specific config of the stock. Shooters that aren't familiar with vertical grips typically found on tactical stocks tend to be a little slower to point them instinctively. This all gives me a good idea for some future content... so I thank you for that.
Y'all must be use some weird and goofy stocks then... because I have cranked more running coyotes offhand or off a pair of sticks with McMillan A3's, A5's, and even Desert Tech SRS's than I can count.
This all gives me a good idea for some future content... so I thank you for that.
I can autocross a Jeep Wrangler. Doesn't make it the ideal vehicle for it.
Same same.
Y'all must be use some weird and goofy stocks then... because I have cranked more running coyotes offhand or off a pair of sticks with McMillan A3's, A5's, and even Desert Tech SRS's than I can count.
This all gives me a good idea for some future content... so I thank you for that.
99.9% of hunters aren’t professional shooters though.
Most hunters don't even know what a shooting range looks like.
I'm not following you. Are you're saying there's a distinct advantage to running a sporter stock over something like a McMillan A3A?
Yes, in some circumstances there is.
I'm not sure why you can't accept that your tool of choice isn't optimal for every situation.
I have had the recent pleasure of dealing directly with cadex, and even though my chassis hasn't arrived yet (in transit), I'm more than confident that when the chasis does arrive ill be beyond completely satisfied with my buying experience.
Their customer service has been top notch and my order shipped in half the time I was originally expecting.
For some reason that orange and black hunting stock they have pictured above is really catching my eye... now if I only had a tikka
Their customer service has been top notch and my order shipped in half the time I was originally expecting.
For some reason that orange and black hunting stock they have pictured above is really catching my eye... now if I only had a tikka
I think you're bang on there. When I'm still hunting, I much prefer a more swept back grip over a vertical grip. When I'm sitting and waiting for something to cross my path, a vertical grip works great, but it isn't the way I like to hunt most of the time. A stock with a slight raise on the buttstock and an average LOP is perfect for a quick shot, at least for me, and I'm sure the average person.
By the way, I think you're a little late asking Cadex how they're going to compete, Krsun. There's only been more and more options being offered from Cadex lately. This doesn't look like a company struggling to keep customers.
I have no problem accepting that different tools are better in some situations... but I fail to see how that applies in this situation. A running animal, off hand shot... My McMillan tactical stocks such as an A3A are not even "less than optimal" in my opinion. They are the most optimal, I think.
So I was trying to figure out what you thought made a super swept sporter grip better at that job. If you don't want to tell me, that's just fine. I thought you might have some reason for your belief. If you don't, or can't/won't tell me... no problem. It wasn't my intent to make you argumentative.
Its the shape of the entire stock, not just the grip.
If you're so sure that you have a better stock design solution for shooting at moving targets there's a business opportunity for you.
Over the last ~5-10 years, stocks and chassis' in our discipline have gotten better and better. More ergonomic, more adjustments, and more ability to fit the shooter.
Rifle to shooter fit is very important. It's how you interface with the gun after all. We are all built different. Frank talks about it, Jacob talks about, Phil and Caylen talk about it. It's important, and it's becoming more and more of a talking point amongst instructors.
Every hunting stock is more or less the same. They haven't changed a whole lot in ~100 years. Grip far back from the trigger - check. Grip really swept back - check. Non-adjustable LOP - check. Non-adjustable comb height - check. Etc, etc.
We demand so much from our precision rifles, and we expect any new chassis and stock products to be highly adjustable so that we can fit the rifle to the shooter. I just don't get why we don't value the same for hunting rifles. There's a plethora of hunting stocks available that are more or less the same. I get that they would sport different features then the stocks on our 6mm wonderguns, but I feel like we are really settling on the hunting side.
Rifle to shooter fit is very important. It's how you interface with the gun after all. We are all built different. Frank talks about it, Jacob talks about, Phil and Caylen talk about it. It's important, and it's becoming more and more of a talking point amongst instructors.
Every hunting stock is more or less the same. They haven't changed a whole lot in ~100 years. Grip far back from the trigger - check. Grip really swept back - check. Non-adjustable LOP - check. Non-adjustable comb height - check. Etc, etc.
We demand so much from our precision rifles, and we expect any new chassis and stock products to be highly adjustable so that we can fit the rifle to the shooter. I just don't get why we don't value the same for hunting rifles. There's a plethora of hunting stocks available that are more or less the same. I get that they would sport different features then the stocks on our 6mm wonderguns, but I feel like we are really settling on the hunting side.
I made no claim to have a "better stock design." I was talking about McMillan A3A's the entire time. That's not my design.
I'm with 308 Pirate here. I shoot all year with a vertical grip stock, but when it comes to hunting, I much prefer a traditional sporter. And I live where people all claim to be "long range hunters." Are the slightly worse prone or off a tripod? Yes, but the percentage of shots I take elk hunting from those positions is minimal. And let's face it, 99.9% of hunting time is hiking and carrying a rifle, unless you are a fatso who just stumbles out of his car or ATV, and a minimal sporter stock, even though it seems about the same size, is easier to hike with, climb with, go over deadfall with etc. Horses for courses.
BTW, looks like a nice stock. If I had a Tikka I would be interested.
BTW, looks like a nice stock. If I had a Tikka I would be interested.
I think people are getting a bit too hung up on grip angle. I get that the features would be different from our precision rifle stocks. If we wanted the exact same features, we would use the exact same stocks for both. I can see why a more swept back grip would be more optimal for some shots.
Grip angle aside, why are new hunting stocks still being built as a "one size fits most (kind of)" solution?
What would you like to see as adjustable? I don't find much need for adjustment on any stock. The only think I can think of is comb height, and if I need to adjust that on a hunting stock, I just use one of those excellent Triad stock packs.
Like I mentioned, I don't have to adjust much from standard even with tactical stocks. I am a normal sized dude, and fit pretty comfortably on stock rifles, even though most of my non hunting rifles are highly adjustable. With a hunting rifle you are rarely able to build the position you want, so your perfect adjustments aren't necessarily putting you in the right position. For example, I shot an elk and two deer this year. My longest shot was 89 meters. I don't need to adjust out that last quarter moa from my setup. I need to be able to carry the thing around and use it to brace in weird positions.
YMMV. A lot of people like to shoot animals from 800 meters. I like to Indian up. The two styles probably require different set ups. If I am 4 moa off, I still have a quick kill...
That looks like me deer hunting in Wisconsin!
I like the looks of the stock and also the grip angle. When Uncle Sam handed me an M16 back in the early '70's that grip blew my mind. I have seen a lot of different styles used successfully in 45 years of smallbore/highpower shooting activities that went contrary to the accepted norm.
I like the looks of the stock and also the grip angle. When Uncle Sam handed me an M16 back in the early '70's that grip blew my mind. I have seen a lot of different styles used successfully in 45 years of smallbore/highpower shooting activities that went contrary to the accepted norm.
If you guys look all the stocks Manners makes, you will see stocks that look pretty close in comparison to these, as well as the vertical grips. They make arguably one of the best stocks money can buy, and if vertical grips were the only stocks hunters wanted, their elite hunter stocks wouldn't be so diverse in shape and size. Different strokes for different folks too, maybe
I have one of these Tunda strikes and I love it. I have it on one of my custom hunting builds and I have a KRG Bravo on another so I have side by side comparison experience. I definitely prefer the fit and feel of the cadex for my applications. Its a well built stock and feels solid. Compared to the KRG, the KRG it feels alot more cheap and hollow in my opinion.
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