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Global Warming!! Uhm...Er..Climate Change! Uh...how about The Chill of Solar Minimum?

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This could really shake things up:

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/09/27/the-chill-of-solar-minimum/

Ready to dig out your woolies in Florida?
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The Chill of Solar Minimum
SEPTEMBER 27, 2018 / DR.TONY PHILLIPS
Sept. 27, 2018: The sun is entering one of the deepest Solar Minima of the Space Age. Sunspots have been absent for most of 2018, and the sun’s ultraviolet output has sharply dropped. New research shows that Earth’s upper atmosphere is responding.
“We see a cooling trend,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA’s Langley Research Center. “High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.”
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Above: The TIMED satellite monitoring the temperature of the upper atmosphere
These results come from the SABER instrument onboard NASA’s TIMED satellite. SABER monitors infrared emissions from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances that play a key role in the energy balance of air 100 to 300 kilometers above our planet’s surface. By measuring the infrared glow of these molecules, SABER can assess the thermal state of gas at the very top of the atmosphere–a layer researchers call “the thermosphere.”
“The thermosphere always cools off during Solar Minimum. It’s one of the most important ways the solar cycle affects our planet,” explains Mlynczak, who is the associate principal investigator for SABER.
When the thermosphere cools, it shrinks, literally decreasing the radius of Earth’s atmosphere. This shrinkage decreases aerodynamic drag on satellites in low-Earth orbit, extending their lifetimes. That’s the good news. The bad news is, it also delays the natural decay of space junk, resulting in a more cluttered environment around Earth.
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Above: Layers of the atmosphere. Credit: NASA
To help keep track of what’s happening in the thermosphere, Mlynczak and colleagues recently introduced the “Thermosphere Climate Index” (TCI)–a number expressed in Watts that tells how much heat NO molecules are dumping into space. During Solar Maximum, TCI is high (“Hot”); during Solar Minimum, it is low (“Cold”).
“Right now, it is very low indeed,” says Mlynczak. “SABER is currently measuring 33 billion Watts of infrared power from NO. That’s 10 times smaller than we see during more active phases of the solar cycle.”
Although SABER has been in orbit for only 17 years, Mlynczak and colleagues recently calculated TCI going all the way back to the 1940s. “SABER taught us to do this by revealing how TCI depends on other variables such as geomagnetic activity and the sun’s UV output–things that have been measured for decades,” he explains.
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Above: An historical record of the Thermosphere Climate Index. Mlynczak and colleagues recently published a paper on the TCI showing that the state of the thermosphere can be discussed using a set of five plain language terms: Cold, Cool, Neutral, Warm, and Hot.
As 2018 comes to an end, the Thermosphere Climate Index is on the verge of setting a Space Age record for Cold. “We’re not there quite yet,” says Mlynczak, “but it could happen in a matter of months.”
“We are especially pleased that SABER is gathering information so important for tracking the effect of the Sun on our atmosphere,” says James Russell, SABER’s Principal Investigator at Hampton University. “A more than 16-year record of long-term changes in the thermal condition of the atmosphere more than 70 miles above the surface is something we did not expect for an instrument designed to last only 3-years in-orbit.”
Soon, the Thermosphere Climate Index will be added to Spaceweather.com as a regular data feed, so our readers can monitor the state of the upper atmosphere just as researchers do. Stay tuned for updates.
 
I'm waiting for the cold that might come around the 2025 range.
 
It looks like a pretty short cycle and limited data.
I'm not sure if any of this matters at all does it?
He didn't mention climate on earth really. I thought maybe they were gonna predict a mini ice age or something.
 
It looks like a pretty short cycle and limited data.
I'm not sure if any of this matters at all does it?
He didn't mention climate on earth really. I thought maybe they were gonna predict a mini ice age or something.
Well, 17 years of data seems like a lot, buy not when trying to extrapolate something as long cycle as potential earth/solar cycle changes. I appreciate that the author didn't try to go off the reservation and start making predictions outside of what could directly be supported by the data and what it is measuring. But don't despair, there are already those using this as one more data point to support their theories of a coming ice age: https://www.iceagenow.info/
 
My wifes work is involved with the Parker Solar Probe.

Is it PC to probe the sun by the way?

Follow this project because it will be the closest thing we ever sent to the sun, some 4-5 million miles distant if I recall, or if you cant visualize how close that is turn your oven broiler on high and put your hand a micron away from the red hot element.

Im amazed by the shielding they needed to not only defeat the heat but be light enough, strong enough for the trip.

This thing will be in the suns corona, we should learn a lot.
 
My wifes work is involved with the Parker Solar Probe.

Is it PC to probe the sun by the way?

Follow this project because it will be the closest thing we ever sent to the sun, some 4-5 million miles distant if I recall, or if you cant visualize how close that is turn your oven broiler on high and put your hand a micron away from the red hot element.

Im amazed by the shielding they needed to not only defeat the heat but be light enough, strong enough for the trip.

This thing will be in the suns corona, we should learn a lot.
That is totally cool. I have been following it some and am just geek enough to enjoy what the mission is about.
 
Hey, I'm in HVAC. I don't really care if it's global warming or a coming ice age. As long as it doesn't stay comfortable, I make money.

I hate to be redundant, but it's kind of like being a bookie or a stock broker.
 
My wifes work is involved with the Parker Solar Probe.

Is it PC to probe the sun by the way?

Follow this project because it will be the closest thing we ever sent to the sun, some 4-5 million miles distant if I recall, or if you cant visualize how close that is turn your oven broiler on high and put your hand a micron away from the red hot element.

Im amazed by the shielding they needed to not only defeat the heat but be light enough, strong enough for the trip.

This thing will be in the suns corona, we should learn a lot.


Why not just go at night? With the broiler off (night time) I was able to actually touch it without any problems. Can I get some grant money for my research?
 
Next someone will publish a paper that shows global warming gets worse every time a global warming research paper is published.
 
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Global warming is mutually exclusive to politics. It's been proven. One day, one storm, one season or one year doesn't mean shit. The fact is a trend has been set for higher numbers overall, despite whether it snows in Miami or a drought in Detroit. It's more noticeable by the upset in natural order. It's no longer in equilibrium. Since heat is energy, there will be a noticeable influx of energy into the atmospheres (air and water). This translates to more powerful storms, more frequently. How about all these once in a century storms that have happened one after another? How about the melting of methane ripping open craters further north? How about the increase in surface temperatures the globe over?

Look, it's a fact. Leave politics out of it. They'll just have you bitching and bickering over left this, right that, and we'll all get fucked in the end. Besides, if you don't agree with 99% of ALL scientists (that's almost all of 'em folks) then just where the fuck DO you get your scientific information from? The fucking fudd at Basspro Shops?

Also, look up "Holocene Extinction Event" which is ongoing.

And yes, the sun plays a role, one we really are just starting to understand, but it's never been responsible for atmospheric events here on Earth. Not like the big ones we're talking about.
 
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Above: Layers of the atmosphere. Credit: NASA
From that plot, the effect of solar minimum vs. maximum is all above ~60 miles up into the atmosphere, not down on the surface of the planet where we roam. It is interesting that during the last solar minimum, the temperature of the Pacific decreased. I worked with climate change scientists on MIRAGE and INTEX-B and the majority were not global warming alarmists. Most were open in saying that it was a research dollar glut that they believed would dry up soon.

I think we're a ways off from knowing what the fuck is going on regarding climate change, except that it's a sack of political bullshit.
 
I think we're a ways off from knowing what the fuck is going on regarding climate change, except that it's a sack of political bullshit.

It is a fact that the climate will change. But unlike the idiots, it will change many times, the earth has gone through much warmer and much colder cycles over and over & nothing is changing that.

The Wooly mammoths were having fun in Siberia munching some nice tender green flowery plants... then were frozen to death before they finished digesting their meals.... We don't know what caused it.... and we don't know what to look for to see if it's coming again... and it had nothing to do with human interactions.
 
Yet we are expected to just wantonly open our wallets, see our economy destroyed and our kids prospects limited because "it feels" like we should do it.......

I hear you. We have options that aren't financially crippling. Data beats the hell out of feel.
 
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