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Good for them. More firearms companies need to do the same thing.
Excellent
now all they need to do is sever ties to their engineer that decided "GRIP ZONE" was a good idea
Never held one, but that is funny.
I think the statement from Springfield is great.
I think companies in the gun industry should do the same, here is why.
I think times like this many circle the wagons waiting for the dust to settle. Thinking how can we position the company to survive.
Well I have news for them. "In for an penny in for a pound".
If gun/ammo/accessory manufactures think they will survive with the erosion of the 2nd amendment they are nuts. They exist because of the 2nd amendment. They will not be able to down size survive off military/LEO sales. Not one of companys invovled is surviving off sales in China, north korea, Venezuela, UK, Australia, France. Any shit hole in Africa. The fact is without the USA without the 2nd amendment, 99% of the gun industry would not exist.
They need to fight back, and quit being concerned with their reputation among liberals/SJW. They are already looked upon with disgust by the later group.
Gun industry needs to worry about their reputation from pro-gun people.
I think companies in the gun industry should do the same, here is why.
I think times like this many circle the wagons waiting for the dust to settle. Thinking how can we position the company to survive.
Well I have news for them. "In for an penny in for a pound".
If gun/ammo/accessory manufactures think they will survive with the erosion of the 2nd amendment they are nuts. They exist because of the 2nd amendment. They will not be able to down size survive off military/LEO sales. Not one of companys invovled is surviving off sales in China, north korea, Venezuela, UK, Australia, France. Any shit hole in Africa. The fact is without the USA without the 2nd amendment, 99% of the gun industry would not exist.
They need to fight back, and quit being concerned with their reputation among liberals/SJW. They are already looked upon with disgust by the later group.
Gun industry needs to worry about their reputation from pro-gun people.
If Springifeld Armory sells guns to distrubutors (which I am sure they do) and Field and Stream buys guns from distributors (which I am sure they do), if FS buys SA guns through a distributor, can SA tell that distributor not to sell their guns to FS?
Good for them!
I think they would cut off the distributor too
But, would they really? My bigger point is that behind the thin veneer of 2A chest-puffery, there is always the rotten core of economics. FS sells 5 SA models of handguns and nothing else from SA. Barrett denies sales of 50 cal rifles to the state of CA. How many were they selling? Hornady denies the sale of ammuniton to the state of NY. How much did they lose there? In all cases, I’d bet dollars to donuts the companies “severing ties” are not losing much business, and are banking on the goodwill generated in the gun community by their mostly hollow gesture.
You already see it... “OMG, I’m only buying Hornady components from now on...” “My next semi auto 50BMG will be a Barret fo’ sho’...” “From here on out, the only plastic-fantastic wonder-9 for me is the XD!” And on the other end of the spectrum you still see “An included cable lock with every gun purchase? F that. I’m never buying a Smith and Wesson again!”
Maybe I am overly cynical, but these gestures smack of the same virtue signalling so heavily derided here when pushed from the left. Just the other side of the same worthless coin...
.45 for me. Also my first 1911 back in 01'.
The dust-up last year with Springfield and Rock River was due to a manufacturing lobbying firm (Illinois Firearms Manufacturing Assoc) they funded making campaign contributions without their knowledge and ill advising the companies in support of a bill requiring severe licensing requirements of small business gun dealers. They severed ties to them after the shit all came to light. May have just been a backpedal (I don't think it was), but I hold no ill will against either of them. I still trust both Rock River and Springfield Armory in their long standing support for the 2A.
The state bill itself was killed off last month via the governor's veto and the state legislature letting it die by not overriding it.
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/...k-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...104404&SessionID=91&SpecSess=&Session=&GA=100
As for their products though, I still feel they're inefficient, poorly produced, and lacking innovation entirely. I own nothing from either.
The state bill itself was killed off last month via the governor's veto and the state legislature letting it die by not overriding it.
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/...k-river-arms-oppose-gun-dealer-licensing-act/
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...104404&SessionID=91&SpecSess=&Session=&GA=100
As for their products though, I still feel they're inefficient, poorly produced, and lacking innovation entirely. I own nothing from either.
You don't think the XDs was innovative? Didn't Glock start bringing a similar single stack to market after the success of the XDs?
What we should want, and support with our purchasing, is a community of politically-active smaller independently-financed gun and related manufacturers who can join together to lobby.
The big guys, Vista, S&W, etc. are too quick to cuck and fold in return for government contracts and Wall Street trends. They'll kiss Michael Bloomberg's pimply butt for good press, they suck.
Likewise let's stop supporting the big box stores even if they're cheaper, they are destructive forces for more than just the 2A but your entire community. That minimum wage Walmart greeter used to make $25/hr as a skilled craftsman. Now he depends on government subsidies to exist and taxpayers are in effect giving Walmart a discount on labor.
Instead of a handful of conglomerates and monopolies we should have thousands of healthy small businesses that provide good livings and higher quality products to people in their community. Not some off-shored pot metal made-by-slaves crap.
All the cool stuff is done by smaller companies anyway. Burn it down!
The big guys, Vista, S&W, etc. are too quick to cuck and fold in return for government contracts and Wall Street trends. They'll kiss Michael Bloomberg's pimply butt for good press, they suck.
Likewise let's stop supporting the big box stores even if they're cheaper, they are destructive forces for more than just the 2A but your entire community. That minimum wage Walmart greeter used to make $25/hr as a skilled craftsman. Now he depends on government subsidies to exist and taxpayers are in effect giving Walmart a discount on labor.
Instead of a handful of conglomerates and monopolies we should have thousands of healthy small businesses that provide good livings and higher quality products to people in their community. Not some off-shored pot metal made-by-slaves crap.
All the cool stuff is done by smaller companies anyway. Burn it down!
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I don’t know any big box stores that are cheaper. I would never buy anything from someone like cabellas because their mark up is ricockulous.
Single stack mags haven't been innovative since John Browning was turning out patents. The XD isn't a Springfield Armory made pistol anyhow, it's produced by HS Product in Croatia, then rebranded and sold under license in the US labeled as "Springfield Armory".
Springfield doesn't have a single firearm design that's its own. Not a one. They only make minor variations to existing 1911, M1A and AR operating systems. That is lacking innovation.
I just purchased a M1a Loaded this morning. I feel even better about the purchase now.
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