HIGH end 10/22 - No Expense spared

D_TROS · Mar 20, 2019

Decided I hate $$ and am going all in on a build for BR and NRL matches.

SO far components I have and price

$340 - Benchmark SS 16.5t 3GR 1.2-.850 taper
$250 - KIDD Single stage trigger unit 1.5 lbs
$99.95 - KIDD Bolt
$6 - KIDD Takedown Screw
$29.95 - KIDD Threaded Receiver Pins w/Countersink tool
$29.95 - KIDD Bolt Handle Charging Assembly w/Guide Rod & Springs (Black Ring)
$5.95 - KIDD Bolt Buffer
$200 - MOA Corp stainless receiver

Yet to order - Mcmillan A5-22 stock. Honestly looking to save by getting a used one but ends up they are pretty rare. Have a line on one but havnt pulled trigger yet.

Stock - $500 +/-
Chamber job barrel finish at 24" - $250
Bedding - $200
Tuner - $250 (leaning towards CHacons PRX II tuner)

Thought process is this. Why not use a semi auto for NRL? All targets are inside 100 yards for the NRL required COF and there are a lot of position changes as well as mag changes. A semi auto will really shine on time. The only stage where I could be hurt is the KYL rack. If the accuracy isn't there, I guess I just don't go for the smallest plate. The last match I was at I kept missing the 4th plate anyways with my 40x so not a huge deal breaker. Second, I have a Stiller 2500X single shot for BR shooting. I want to take my Dad who is getting older now and then so I will let him use the Stiller and I will use the 10/22.

On the rifle itself. Why the action and components. I will get a lot of questions of why wasting time with threaded receiver, as there are more accurate rifles with screw and press fit barrels. While jumping/banging/moving/falling around on NRL type stages, I don't want any issues. Ever. I believe threaded is the only way this will happen. The MOA action also has a threaded rear tang screw. I don't know how this cant be a plus.

As for the internal components, KIDD obviously has something figured out to have the success rifle after rifle. I get it that most people aren't used to anything considered accurate with factory Ruger 10/22's or rifles in general so even a small upgrade is worth the change, but KIDD gets it right time after time. That being considered, I decided for all KIDD internals. Quite happy there.

I will update as project progresses. I will be bitterly disappointed if Im not able to score at least a 245/250 on a IR 50/50 card. I plan to send it off to the Lapua testing facility to get ammo matched up for it.

pics of MOA receiver and A5-22 stock are off internet.

Regards
DT

billmeek · Mar 20, 2019

I can empathize with this train of thought. I just did my first 10/22 build which started out just going to be modding a T/CR22 slightly. Impulse control apparently isn't my strong point. I have a complete build and have started modding the T/CR22 all over again. The (second) new Kidd 2-stage trigger should be here today for it. And a CZ 457 MTR might be arriving at the local FFL today too.

I thought 22LR was supposed to be inexpensive! <sigh>

diverdon · Mar 20, 2019

From time to time Frank spins up a batch of barrels for the 1022. https://bartleinbarrels.com

YF12A · Mar 20, 2019

Try contacting Randy at CPC in Connecticut, he does great work on 10/22's, also on other .22's as well. BTW, my Bartlein barrel arrived a month ago, awaiting install in its' rotation.

D_TROS · Mar 20, 2019

diverdon said:
From time to time Frank spins up a batch of barrels for the 1022. https://bartleinbarrels.com

I went with Benchmark for 3 reasons.

First, they have a fantastic reputation in the BR world and have been used heavily in the past and are being used heavily now.

Second (and most important to me) is BM are button rifled. I am 100% on board that a button rifle barrel is more accurate than a cut rifle for rimfire. Obviously that wont be the case 100% of the time but in general it will avg that way IMO.

Third, it would be extra to have Bartlein thread it to my action, and I want it custom heads paced off my action. (no press fit here)

That being said I was very very close to buyin a Bart barrel prefit for the toggle 10/22 action but I think this will be more accurate and quicker shooting.

thanks for the thoughts. all appreciated.

I have 2 gunsmiths in mind right now. Joe Chacon for obvious reasons and Chuck Mac from Macs Gunworks in WY. They both have built some darn fine rifles.

Regards
DT

10ring1 · Mar 20, 2019

Anxious to hear how it shoots. Joe chacon is a wizard! He will get it Shooting to its max potential. Please post results when it's finished. I built a 10/22 ultimate 8-10 yrs ago with a Lilja .920, Kidd 2 stage and recerver. It is amazingly accurate. On RFC, I am 10ring1 too and my rifle is Blitzkrieg. Just started using it in NRL 22and it certainly looks promising. The semi is definitely is a high time saver as I don't have to break the hold. I don't believe I am far behind if at all behind a bolt out to 100 yd in regards to accuracy.

steve123 · Mar 21, 2019

I don't know why but 10-22's work really well for NRL22 vs AR's for centerfire tactical matches???

My 10-22 is stock except for a Jard trigger. Not being the most accurate gun around it doesn't do well for small steel but since most of the match is comprised of improvised positions on bigger steel I score nearly as well as with my Fortner.

I think you are on the right track vs using an expensive bolt rifle!

beretta_man11 · Mar 21, 2019

Very cool parts list. I no 10/22 input here, but I've used Chuck McIntosh for several rifles, hes always done phenomenal work.

VP47PPC · Mar 21, 2019

I opted to go all KIDD

$459 Barreled Action
20" SS Straight Taper Bead Blasted
$6 Bolt Buffer
$100 Bolt Silver
$30 Charging Handle & Assembly
$200 Single Stage 3LBS Trigger
$186 Victor Co. TITAN 10/22 precision rimfire stock
Vortex Precision Matched rings Low
Vortex Diamondback tactical 4-16X44

67 deg 1900 DA winds light & variable 28% humidity Eley Club
At 50 yards 5 at .5
5 at .51
5 at .59
10 at .7
5 at .85
At 100 yds 5 at .43
10 at 1.35

skotydontno · Mar 22, 2019

Cruise the forums @D_TROS for the mcmillan a5-22. It was either here or accurateshooter or one of the rimfire forums I saw one not too long ago

D_TROS · Mar 22, 2019

10ring1 said:
.... The semi is definitely is a high time saver as I don't have to break the hold. I don't believe I am far behind if at all behind a bolt out to 100 yd in regards to accuracy.

My thoughts exactly.

steve123 said:
I don't know why but 10-22's work really well for NRL22 vs AR's for centerfire tactical matches???

My 10-22 is stock except for a Jard trigger. Not being the most accurate gun around it doesn't do well for small steel but since most of the match is comprised of improvised positions on bigger steel I score nearly as well as with my Fortner.

I think you are on the right track vs using an expensive bolt rifle!

Thanks Steve. Interesting to know the 10/22 keeps up with the Fortner. If you are going to the Championship, which rifle do you bring??
(post pics of both!!!)

beretta_man11 said:
Very cool parts list. I no 10/22 input here, but I've used Chuck McIntosh for several rifles, hes always done phenomenal work.

He showed me some pics of his last rimfire build. Pretty excited.

VP47PPC said:
I opted to go all KIDD
...
$186 Victor Co. TITAN 10/22 precision rimfire stock
...

That's a great looking stock as well. Its my second choice if I cant find a decent deal on a A5-22 stock.

skotydontno said:
Cruise the forums @D_TROS for the mcmillan a5-22. It was either here or accurateshooter or one of the rimfire forums I saw one not too long ago

I have been. Found several old adds already sold. If you see anything please let me know.

Also if anyone has a 20-30 moa base laying around for a 10/22 action please let me know.

Regards,
DT

... · Mar 22, 2019

darth_ritis · Mar 23, 2019

I have a similar build for NRL22, where only the receiver is still Ruger and almost everything else is Kidd parts.

I found I needed to compensate for my poor skills in the unsupported positional stuff, so I went with the Kidd ultralight fluted barrel at 16.25" length. It's only 1 pound and every bit as accurate as my CZ 455. Maybe it's just me, but I cringe at the thought of a solid 24" barrel for standing unsupported.

NorthWesterner · Mar 24, 2019

This build looks so awesome! I currently run a vudoo v22. After spending what little time I have with the v22 I find myself wanting to branch out to some semi auto .22 platforms. The vudoo is awesome but it has be hooked. Good call on the benchmark! I live very close to them and run them on all of my center fire rifles (4 in total as of now). They are top notch. I’m excited to see how this comes out. You don’t happen to be in the northwest do you?

Captain Teeto · Mar 25, 2019

any reason you got this vs going full kidd supergrade? how much does it weigh?

i have a V22 and im thinking of getting a lighterweight 22lr as well

D_TROS · Mar 27, 2019

holdstillplease said:
I have a similar build for NRL22, where only the receiver is still Ruger and almost everything else is Kidd parts.

I found I needed to compensate for my poor skills in the unsupported positional stuff, so I went with the Kidd ultralight fluted barrel at 16.25" length. It's only 1 pound and every bit as accurate as my CZ 455. Maybe it's just me, but I cringe at the thought of a solid 24" barrel for standing unsupported.

Heavier the better. Having lots of positional shooting, I (and most all competitors) prefer heavier rifles. Reason being it tracks smoother. Not only that, my primary match rifles all have 26" barrels...might as well keep it similar.

NorthWesterner said:
This build looks so awesome! I currently run a vudoo v22. After spending what little time I have with the v22 I find myself wanting to branch out to some semi auto .22 platforms. The vudoo is awesome but it has be hooked. Good call on the benchmark! I live very close to them and run them on all of my center fire rifles (4 in total as of now). They are top notch. I’m excited to see how this comes out. You don’t happen to be in the northwest do you?

I really want a Vudo. Prob will get one some time. For now, like other chuckle heads, I like nickel and diming builds. I cant come up with the $1800 right now. This build is slow and steady.

Im from Denver but shoot in the NW a bunch. Will be doing the RTC this year. Come say hi!

Captain Teeto said:
any reason you got this vs going full kidd supergrade? how much does it weigh?

i have a V22 and im thinking of getting a lighterweight 22lr as well

Im not sure on weight yet but I want it to be close to 15 lbs with scope. This will not be a squirrel rifle for walking through the forest.

I chose this route over a KIDD because the barrel and action and stock. I have not seen or heard of a KIDD that is even in the same ballpark as a full blown BR rig with a custom barrel. There is a reason this build (and Chacons BR 10/22's) cost nearly double what Kidds cost.
(caveat there is prob some humdinger KIDD out there that can keep up. I just haven't seen one.) Will be glad to have some supergrade *unedited groups posted up if u have some!

THIS POST FOR ULTIMATE 10/22'S please post up. No moms and pops factory crap here please.

Regards,
DT

RTH1800 · Mar 27, 2019

If it would meet your specs why not go with a Kidd Supergrade? I have a couple and they are quite accurate.

D_TROS · Mar 27, 2019

rth1800 said:
If it would meet your specs why not go with a Kidd Supergrade? I have a couple and they are quite accurate.

Action (threaded &stainless) barrel (10/10 will agree a benchmark is better than a KIDD) custom chamber for match ammo (KIDD prob has a custom chamber but I don't know, I just know which one I want) and less of a reason stock of choice. Mostly top 2 choices tho and secondly it just hasn't been done that I can find. Which is surprising as there have been a ton of MOA actions sold. Not super surprising as just a barrel blank (w/o $300 chamber job) costs more than a factory 10/22.

Funny as a rule I hate semi autos and as a kid my dad nvr let us shoot semi to conserve ammo and focus on marksmanship. Now, its become kind of mission.

And I almost went the KIDD route several times, but I wanted benchmark barrel. If going benchmark, why would I press fit when I could thread? Will it be more accurate? doubt it in the short term but the thread will be more solid for sure and maybe consistent. Cant argue that.

And I cant argue the accuracy of a KIDD, dude above has a .5 in group at 100. Now I would love to see a KIDD shoot a BR target (25 individual targets). High round count really separates rifles in a hurry.

Hmmm at least in my mind lol.

Please shoot the IR 50/50 card or any other 25 individual with your best supergrade and post up. Eager to see.

DT

RTH1800 · Mar 27, 2019

Funny about simi and not getting to shoot as a kid. I shoot both CF and RF now in simi but shoot them like bolt guns. Simply cannot make myself waste ammo, even when I want to it's difficult.

MarkCZ · Mar 27, 2019

D_TROS said:
Action (threaded &stainless) barrel (10/10 will agree a benchmark is better than a KIDD) custom chamber for match ammo (KIDD prob has a custom chamber but I don't know, I just know which one I want) and less of a reason stock of choice. Mostly top 2 choices tho and secondly it just hasn't been done that I can find. Which is surprising as there have been a ton of MOA actions sold. Not super surprising as just a barrel blank (w/o $300 chamber job) costs more than a factory 10/22.

Funny as a rule I hate semi autos and as a kid my dad nvr let us shoot semi to conserve ammo and focus on marksmanship. Now, its become kind of mission.

And I almost went the KIDD route several times, but I wanted benchmark barrel. If going benchmark, why would I press fit when I could thread? Will it be more accurate? doubt it in the short term but the thread will be more solid for sure and maybe consistent. Cant argue that.

And I cant argue the accuracy of a KIDD, dude above has a .5 in group at 100. Now I would love to see a KIDD shoot a BR target (25 individual targets). High round count really separates rifles in a hurry.

Hmmm at least in my mind lol.

Please shoot the IR 50/50 card or any other 25 individual with your best supergrade and post up. Eager to see.

DT

I went the full Kidd with a Titan stock. Kidd uses Walther barrels with his own match chamber. My Kidd will shoot sub 0.5 moa out to 150 yds. My gun is for long range steel. A lot guy shoot Kidd's in the auto BR. I would not question the Kidd's accuracy until you shoot one. Good luck with your build. Keep us updated.
Mark

Victor Co Heather · Mar 28, 2019

The Kidd receiver paired with a Titan stock and the Kidd Compatible Rear anchor has been a game changer for the semis. Having the ability to tune the rear action screw produces insanely small groups.

Here's a link to the Kidd Compatible/Titan rear anchor:

https://shop.victorcompanyusa.com/1-KIDD-COMPATIBLE-REAR-ANCHOR-FOR-TITAN-1022-Kidd-RA.htm

billmeek · Mar 28, 2019

Michael,

Assuming D_TROS intends to keep using the MOA Corp stainless receiver and changes to the Victor Titan stock, when is the Titan Spike going to be available for purchase?

Victor Titan Spike web page

acudaowner · Mar 28, 2019

this makes me wonder why you would try and turn a 400 dollar gun into a 2000 dollar gun rather than just save up and get the 2k gun if you do not like the 10 / 22 as it is then why spend money on it . now i do under stand that everyone has different taste on everything and its all good but if you want a corvette you don't buy a pinto and spend tons of money suppin it up when you could get what you wanted from the get go . buy the time you get a new barrel , and all the cool kid parts and bi pod and scope trigger job and the rest you are around the cost of a vocorsin sorry if i butchered the name or some other high end 22 out there . I was always under the impression the ruger 10/22 was not a fine shooting gun just a cheap easy going inexpensive way to learn fundamentals or the shallow end of the pool to learn how to swim this is just my 2 cents for however little it's worth .

billmeek · Mar 28, 2019

A barebones, basic, $200 10/22 from Ruger may not be a "fine shooting gun". But that's a far cry from a custom 10/22. While they may not be as accurate as a high-end bolt action, built correctly they are pretty damned accurate rifles... especially for a semi-auto 22LR.

Part of the fun of 10/22s is the whole "build it yourself" aspect. You get to select the specific parts you want to assemble the rifle of your dreams rather than what someone else (i.e. Volquartsen) puts in their standard builds. It also provides the option to start small and make changes over time if your budget doesn't allow a big purchase all at once. Change a trigger here, upgrade the barrel there, get a different stock, etc. 10/22s are the second most modified firearms in existence.

billmeek · Mar 28, 2019

acudaowner,

My first 10/22 build:

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/first-10-22-build.6928705/

For what I've got invested, I could come close to a basic VuDoo.

Victor Co Heather · Mar 28, 2019

The Titan Spike is 5 weeks away from your mailbox. I won't accept any parts less than perfect, so sorry for the delay. More info and new website coming soon!

D_TROS · Mar 28, 2019

Here is a target I like to print off and screw with. You can order the real target off the IR5050 website. 1 shot per bull. 25x. SHOOT AT 50 YARDS

post em up guys I am eager to see the accuracy these crazy little 10/22's can do.

DT

hlee · Mar 28, 2019

@D_TROS what range?

D_TROS · Mar 28, 2019

oops lol. Shoot at 50 yards.

DT

hlee · Mar 29, 2019

@D_TROS

Ok, so I took the target posted above to an indoor range with my Kidd Supermatch 22lr rifle.

18" 0.920" diameter match barrel
2 stage Flat blade trigger, light field weight (1 lb / 1 lb)
Vortex Viper PST scope 6-24x50 ERB-2C reticle
Lapua CenterX ammunition

The range setup was not conducive to prone or bipod shooting (rather narrow bench), so I used a fortune cookie for a front rest (more like in the middle of the stock) and a red tac gear 1/2 pint under the grip.

I started with a 10 round group, as I pulled a bore snake through the barrel after the last 22 match.

That 0.580" is an outside to outside measurement. Taking into consideration the bullet hole diameter of 0.215", we have a center to center measurement of 0.365".

The 10 shots above were the last 10 from one lot of ammunition that I had, and I was digging into an as yet unshot lot of ammunition for the 25 rounds in the test. I put 3 into one of the top targets to confirm that my zero had not shifted, then went to the task at hand. When I printed out the target I was unsure of the size, so I just sized it to fit on a 8.5X11" piece of paper. The 10 ring is 0.150" in diameter- according to my caliper. If the grey mark left by the bullet broke a line, I counted it as that value.

I don't shoot bench-rest, and this is the most paper I have ever shot with this rifle so my scoring may be off by a point or 2. If one were to stack all of the targets on top of each other, shots 20 and 21 are the 2 furthest from each other. I get a measurement of 0.753" as an outside to outside measurement on them- 0.538" center to center. So, I guess this Kidd Supermatch is about a 1 MOA gun- at least today it was.

For a somewhat different perspective, here is a video from the last 22lr match. This is the 50 yard KYL stage- the last target is 1/4" in diameter and there are 3 hits required on it to clean the stage. I, however, dialed my elevation the wrong way to start and sent the first round 5 mil over the target, so I only have 2 hits on the smallest target. I apologize that my son missed the first 2 shots while filming...

hlee · Apr 3, 2019

I looked around for the scoring ring diameters for the IR5050 target, but couldn’t find them on their site. Further investigation suggested that the IR5050 target is the same as the World and European Rimfire and Air Rifle Benchrest 50 Meter/yard target. They have ring diameters in their rule book.

X ring 0.0312”
10 ring 0.2500”
9 ring 0.5000”
8 ring 0.7500”

The WRABF 10 ring is the same diameter as the 9 ring on my target.
The WRABF 9 ring is the nearly the same diameter as the 7 ring on my target.
The WRABF 8 ring is 0.04” smaller than the 5 ring on my target.

Taking the above into consideration and then employing my calipers to measure distances, hits scored as 7 and 8 are 9. Hits scored as 6 are 8. 9s and 10s are 10s. The x ring is sufficiently small that I didn’t bother measuring. But, that brings the score up from 220-5x to 239-5x.

Kevin1 · Apr 3, 2019

I also bought a Kidd Supergrade barreled action and put it in a Titan Stock with the Kidd rear tang.
Mine is a 20” barrel with a double stage Kidd 3oz/3oz trigger. That trigger is really nice!
I haven’t played with the torque settings and haven’t shot it much, but with ammo it likes it shoots in the 0.3s at 44Y

I’m pretty happy with the setup.

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hlee · May 9, 2019

@D_TROS

How is your build coming along? I took my mostly stock 30 year old 10/22 and my Kidd super grade back to the 50 yard indoor range and shot some targets. 20 targets per page, one shot per target, 10 ring is 0.25" diameter. Unfortunately, my printer shrunk the target slightly. The outer diameter was supposed to be 1.5", but is actually 1.43" in diameter. Oh well.

Stock 10/22 with federal "target" ammunition...

I scored this as 137 out of 200.

Next, the Kidd supergrade with Lapua center x ammunition...

I scored this as 186 out of 200...

I also shot a 12 round group- to finish off the box...

Zeroing the calipers on the hole diameter, I got a center to center measurement of ~0.65".

There's a lot of lateral dispersion, which I take to be my shooting. I don't think I would have cleaned a 50y KYL today. Anyway, another datapoint for your quest.

AdvanceSpark · Dec 17, 2019

Have you managed to get your hands on a MOA receiver? I can’t get any response from the e-mail or the phone number.

Moose · Dec 17, 2019

Over the last 40 years i have built some 10/22 rifles and if I was to want another one I would just order a Kidd SG.The SG I own is as good as any10/22 I have ever put together.

D_TROS · Dec 17, 2019

hlee said:
@D_TROS

How is your build coming along?

.....

AdvanceSpark said:
Have you managed to get your hands on a MOA receiver? I can’t get any response from the e-mail or the phone number.

Havnt done a thing to this build since last post. Bills and Christmas and bills have been kicking my buttttt.

I have a MOA receiver but its not from them. My gunsmith friend has a one of them from many moons ago. Pretty sure the company that made them is out of business.

Honestly I have been getting some cold feet about putting this kind of money into a semi auto when I can get a Vudo for the same so I am at a stopping pt...until I get some $$ saved. or until I convince myself I wont be giving anything up shooting a semi to the bolt.

Please if reading this post up of your accurate 10/22 so I can get the bug again lol

Regards
DT

blacknwhite11 · Dec 17, 2019

Check out rimfirecentral.com they have an ultimate 10/22 forum and there are a lot of very impressive 10/22 there that shoot very very well.

JKW70 · Dec 17, 2019

D_TROS said:
Decided I hate $$ and am going all in on a build for BR and NRL matches.

SO far components I have and price

$340 - Benchmark SS 16.5t 3GR 1.2-.850 taper
$250 - KIDD Single stage trigger unit 1.5 lbs
$99.95 - KIDD Bolt
$6 - KIDD Takedown Screw
$29.95 - KIDD Threaded Receiver Pins w/Countersink tool
$29.95 - KIDD Bolt Handle Charging Assembly w/Guide Rod & Springs (Black Ring)
$5.95 - KIDD Bolt Buffer
$200 - MOA Corp stainless receiver

View attachment 7046191

Yet to order - Mcmillan A5-22 stock. Honestly looking to save by getting a used one but ends up they are pretty rare. Have a line on one but havnt pulled trigger yet.

Stock - $500 +/-
Chamber job barrel finish at 24" - $250
Bedding - $200
Tuner - $250 (leaning towards CHacons PRX II tuner)

Thought process is this. Why not use a semi auto for NRL? All targets are inside 100 yards for the NRL required COF and there are a lot of position changes as well as mag changes. A semi auto will really shine on time. The only stage where I could be hurt is the KYL rack. If the accuracy isn't there, I guess I just don't go for the smallest plate. The last match I was at I kept missing the 4th plate anyways with my 40x so not a huge deal breaker. Second, I have a Stiller 2500X single shot for BR shooting. I want to take my Dad who is getting older now and then so I will let him use the Stiller and I will use the 10/22.

On the rifle itself. Why the action and components. I will get a lot of questions of why wasting time with threaded receiver, as there are more accurate rifles with screw and press fit barrels. While jumping/banging/moving/falling around on NRL type stages, I don't want any issues. Ever. I believe threaded is the only way this will happen. The MOA action also has a threaded rear tang screw. I don't know how this cant be a plus.

As for the internal components, KIDD obviously has something figured out to have the success rifle after rifle. I get it that most people aren't used to anything considered accurate with factory Ruger 10/22's or rifles in general so even a small upgrade is worth the change, but KIDD gets it right time after time. That being considered, I decided for all KIDD internals. Quite happy there.

I will update as project progresses. I will be bitterly disappointed if Im not able to score at least a 245/250 on a IR 50/50 card. I plan to send it off to the Lapua testing facility to get ammo matched up for it.

pics of MOA receiver and A5-22 stock are off internet.

Regards
DT

Get the kidd 2 stage instead. It’s worth the extra money

Moose · Dec 17, 2019

blacknwhite11 said:
Check out rimfirecentral.com they have an ultimate 10/22 forum and there are a lot of very impressive 10/22 there that shoot very very well.

They have a-lot of good info about 10/22 builds on rimfire central.I agree.

blacknwhite11 · Dec 17, 2019

Also agree, the 2 stage trigger is worth it.

hlee · Dec 17, 2019

@D_TROS, if a picture is worth 1000 words, then video is worth more than that, right?

The rifle in the rear is built on a 30 year old Ruger receiver. The Kidd in front keeps pace with the Vudoo's at the monthly match in Milican, Texas- 50 to 150y. The rifle in the back has a TacSol barrel and has not been taken to a match yet, though it is showing promise. I didn't have plans to own a suppressor when I bought the Kidd, or it would have a threaded barrel. Get the threaded barrel...

Moose · Dec 17, 2019

Sweet looking rifles gotta love those Tony Kidd builds.I also have a Tac Sol barrel and it can hold some really good groups.

Hoser · Dec 17, 2019

D_TROS said:
Honestly I have been getting some cold feet about putting this kind of money into a semi auto when I can get a Vudo for the same s

Quit screwing around and get a Vudoo already.

D_TROS · Dec 17, 2019

Hoser said:
Quit screwing around and get a Vudoo already.

I HATE YOU... lol
you just don't want to get beat by a 10/22! ha...

you having your match this weekend?

DT

hlee · Dec 17, 2019

Why we gotta be tribal? Get both!

Hellbender · Dec 17, 2019

Guys, I hate to burst your bubble, but you can't beat lock time when shooting positional.
Pure, benchrest accuracy is easy with a semi compared to trying to hold a gun perfectly still for 3 to 4 times times longer after breaking the shot when working off a wobbly barricade.
Many AR's and 10/22's are extremely mechanically accurate, but the lock time just kills you if not stable, and a .22, in addition, has a very long barrel dwell time.
On a centerfire, the bullet is 50-100 yards down range on a boltgun (locktime of 1-2 milliseconds) compared to an AR (best are 6-8 ms) bullet that hasn't even left the barrel yet, if triggers are pulled at exactly the same time. That's a very long time to have to hold a wobbly, unstable position after pulling the trigger.

D_TROS · Dec 18, 2019

Hellbender said:
Guys, I hate to burst your bubble, but you can't beat lock time when shooting positional.
Pure, benchrest accuracy is easy with a semi compared to trying to hold a gun perfectly still for 3 to 4 times times longer after breaking the shot when working off a wobbly barricade.
Many AR's and 10/22's are extremely mechanically accurate, but the lock time just kills you if not stable, and a .22, in addition, has a very long barrel dwell time.
On a centerfire, the bullet is 50-100 yards down range on a boltgun (locktime of 1-2 milliseconds) compared to an AR (best are 6-8 ms) bullet that hasn't even left the barrel yet, if triggers are pulled at exactly the same time. That's a very long time to have to hold a wobbly, unstable position after pulling the trigger.

Hey,

Just to be clear on your post...for rimfires... you are saying the lock time between a bolt and a semi is substantial enough that you should not consider a semi over a bolt rifle?

I would argue that, for rimfire, that the slow bullet speed FAR outweighs the perceived/actual lock time of the action...

Good points tho as the semi AR center fire you absolutely have to focus more on fundamentals/consistency...I think it is downplayed in the rimfire world due to the exponentially slower ammo...

Thoughts?
DT

MarkCZ · Dec 18, 2019

D_TROS said:
Hey,

Just to be clear on your post...for rimfires... you are saying the lock time between a bolt and a semi is substantial enough that you should not consider a semi over a bolt rifle?

I would argue that, for rimfire, that the slow bullet speed FAR outweighs the perceived lock time of the action...

Good points tho as the semi AR center fire you absolutely have to focus more on fundamentals/consistency...I think it is downplayed in the rimfire world due to the exponentially slower ammo...

Thoughts?
DT

The Kidd 2 Stage trigger takes the 10-22 lock time close to a bolt gun. Better than any other 10-22 trigger.
Mark

Moose · Dec 18, 2019

Kidd trigger will spoil the shit out of you.Love mine

hlee · Dec 18, 2019

Except of a slight bit of creep inherent to the design of the 10/22 trigger, I like my Kidd 2 stage trigger better than the Geissele SD-E in my AR and the Timney 2 stage in my RPR.

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