Houston PD lies to get warrent on drug house

Hmmmm not good.

jrhtx said:

This is just getting started.

Not in a position to search for links to post.

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We all smelled something very fishy about this case since Day 2. This is to be expected.

The links and the articles will come along soon. If they found something, those ripples are going to only spread outward over the next hours/days.

if convicted they will get a slap on wrist compared to what any private citizen would get for b and e plus murder

When Avocado started the circle up the wagons I figured something of this nature would come.

R

This just in...The media is beginning to stir.
Updated 45 minutes ago:

https://amp.click2houston.com/news/...t-raid-turned-shootout-after-warrant-reviewed

The story from Houston Police Department narcotics officers surrounding a drug raid-turned-shootout that left five officers injured and two people dead doesn’t add up, according to a warrant reviewed by Channel 2 Investigates on Friday.
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Channel 2 Investigates is still digging through the new records and will continue to update this breaking story throughout the day.

Police lying to the Judge to get a warrant.... Shocked I tell you....
Judge not caring one bit if he gets told things he knows are lies...... Shocked....
Coming up next.... judge signs a gag order........

jrhtx said:

Radio just reported the police lied to a judge to get the warrent to raid the drug house that 2 were killed and several HPD wounded. No CI was involved.
Warrents are being sought for the phones of the officers involved..

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The po-lice lied? Shocking I tell you, just shocking!!!

I watched that one on the news as I’m from Houston. No mention of finding any drugs. They shut the neiborhood down to get their guys to the hospital but the homeowners never got any first aid. I’m very curious to know what time they died. They kept the area cordoned off for a ridiculous amount of time.. trying to do damage control? I’m real curious to hear what he did to piss off a officer and see if this is handled or swept under a rug once we find out. I’m real curious to hear from the people on here that act like cops can do no wrong.

The police doing their best to keep medical help from reaching those they just shot up to hopefully make sure they are dead & can't sue them as easily is kind of a well known tactic they seem to do all the time despite claiming they "just wanted to stop the threat".
Especially when they know they just killed somebody for no good reason.

Agency decides to go into a known drug house, maybe they forget to bring
the zip ties or figure them to be unnecessary, happens. Don't care.

Problems arise when they go to average joe's house and pretend it's the same,
and get away with it. No permanent solution called for, no precident of harm.

Blutroop said:

I watched that one on the news as I’m from Houston. No mention of finding any drugs. They shut the neiborhood down to get their guys to the hospital but the homeowners never got any first aid. I’m very curious to know what time they died. They kept the area cordoned off for a ridiculous amount of time.. trying to do damage control? I’m real curious to hear what he did to piss off a officer and see if this is handled or swept under a rug once we find out. I’m real curious to hear from the people on here that act like cops can do no wrong.

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Allegedly they found some pot and some white substance in a bag that proved to be cocaine.

This whole situation sounds fucked up to the point my first question as an investigator would be, "Did you put those drugs there?"

How many of the bullets in the officers were from friendly fire?
The pictures of the couple used in the article did not look like mug shots?
Known criminal history?

Aperences can be deceptive but the couple dont look like,
hardened cop killing meth lab types that would be deserving of special treatment.

Those type of raids, what happened to cleanup and chalk up to drug violence conducted
by professionals, review, burn the tapes and got to sleep with a clear concince.
Locals left to clean up the mess.?

We need police officers. We the people need em, not neccissary 3%, But we need to be able to trust them. We must get back to the constitution.. No no knock warrants. No warentless stops, searches, seizures.. No more murder. No more Murder.. used to be even the criminal had rights. Now not even the law abiding have their rights. If we continue down these roads there will be bloodshed. The only variables are who strikes first and who takes more casualties.

ArmyJerry said:

Hmmmm not good.

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Au contraire mes ami.....

Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

Sadly I think no one that should pay will pay.

False information used to obtain the fatal warrant.

Newest source:
https://abc13.com/amp/warrant-informant-didnt-buy-drugs-from-couple-killed-in-raid/5140341/

The informant used by the HPD to build their warrant for the deadly raid denies ever buying drugs from Nicholas or Tuttle or their residence at any time. The same informant also denies even recognizing the street or house from previous drug buy attempts done in other cases.

Other informants who have worked for the same officer in the past also denies having made any drug purchases from the couple or their residence.

This information completely contradicts the justifications used by the HPD to obtain the warrant to raid the residence of Nicholas and Tuttle.

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HOUSTON, Texas - A confidential informant didn't buy drugs at the southeast Houston home where an investigation turned into a deadly shootout with police last month, according to a new search warrant.

That contradicts information used to get the no-knock search warrant, which said that a confidential informant bought heroin at the house the day before the drug raid. The raid happened on Jan. 28.
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Investigators returned to Goines for the names of more informants, who had all worked for Goines in the past. They all denied making a buy for Goines at the home. They also denied ever buying drugs from Nicholas or Tuttle.
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Someone wasn't up to date on their "taxes", and the local collecctions/enforcement group was sent in ? .

I bet no one is in "arrears" this week.

I am also curious to know if this was done with a pistol? In Houston even little nickel and dime bag pot dealers (even the white bread jersey wearing, living in mom n dads above garage apartment types) have a ak or intratec 9. Everyone on here knows a pistol is just to get you to a rifle. All the known gang houses and places like 5th ward and they go get a warrant for this guy in this neighborhood? Am I the only one to notice how they will mess with John q citizen but they don’t have the balls to go find the real deal criminals? I’ve been away 5 years now but I bet I can find a house within a hour that is full of guys with known cartel gang affiliation with tats and rap sheets to prove it, and Throw in a pound or two and some illegal weapons if they really wanted to clean up... but they go after this couple. On a tip from a neighbor...

Was Harry Reid planning on selling the house to the Chinese?

I think that many warrants are based on lies. Seldom are there consequences.

After reading the warrants seems like po po messed up.

Being in possesion of pot, hardly a condition to start a shoot out with pd over.
Possesion of cocain maybe I don't know much of the concequence of that offense.
Not an ammount for pd to brag about evidently.

I have no use in my life for either item or people that do.

Cant see that couple starting war over it?

diverdon said:

I think that many warrants are based on lies. Seldom are there consequences.

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Yep, the communists have done plenty to erode public trust by creating a lawless atmosphere.

Its happening now, more people are saying fuck it, everyones doing it.

The fish started rotting at the head and its working its way down.

Refuse to jump into the shit.

Blutroop said:

We need police officers. We the people need em, not neccissary 3%, But we need to be able to trust them. We must get back to the constitution.. No no knock warrants. No warentless stops, searches, seizures.. No more murder. No more Murder.. used to be even the criminal had rights. Now not even the law abiding have their rights. If we continue down these roads there will be bloodshed. The only variables are who strikes first and who takes more casualties.

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At least you have the ability to disappear into a great wilderness where you are. If I was single, I’d have a cabin way off the grid in Alaska. Take my arms and junk with me and be gone.

Okay, all the cops involved in the shooting need to be tried and convicted of 2nd degree murder, at the very least. The remaining families need to sue the shit out of the city.

SilentStalkr said:

At least you have the ability to disappear into a great wilderness where you are. If I was single, I’d have a cabin way off the grid in Alaska. Take my arms and junk with me and be gone.

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I have a wife and kids. I’m all about being off grid and have been looking for a good spot. Once I find it though it will be my Alamo.

Blutroop said:

I have a wife and kids. I’m all about being off grid and have been looking for a good spot. Once I find it though it will be my Alamo.

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if you wanted to set up a “vacation/getaway” cabin I could keep an eye on it for ya when your in the lower 48..

And has anyone else noticed when they show swat on the news they don’t even have any identifiers on anymore? How often do they even verbally declare they are cops anymore? Can you blame a vet for opening fire on anyone coming through his front door and shooting his unarmed wife?

Sam Dunham said:

The small interagency SRT I was on was made up of team members from 4 depts. You always have Nomax and a helmet. In the bigger depts, SWAT or SRTis comprised of fulltime teams and that is all they do. Train shoot and run lift weights and do High-risk warrants. They never expose their faces and try to keep a low profile to keep them safe at home and their family. If a major thing happens they may or may not be involved in Court? Depends on the defense asking for and getting a "Motion of discovery" or a "Probable cause hearing" etc. SWAT is kept somewhat anonymous in big depts but sometimes they are forced to go to Court and testify. Being ID'ed as a SWAT Officer in Gang ridden areas can be very dangerous for your health.

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Not saying criminals dont pose a threat to off duty cops but that threat seems pretty over blown for the extent teams go to hide identity.

I know of one prosecutor ever executed by an criminal he was prosecuting and that was in Boston some 15-20 years ago.

Most of the high speed gear is to look cool.

No Bueno. Not at all. Either you have enough to get a warrant, or you don't. When people's lives are on the line, you better make sure your investigation is on point.

These stories really pull at my heart because so many times, all you need is just a little more time to get the missing puzzle piece you need for that warrant. Unless someone is dying right not right now, time is your friend.

Hi,

LOLOL SWAT has to remain anonymous for safety reasons, YET the District Attorney, Jury Members and Judge are seen by pretty much every criminal put on trial.

Do NOT make it a habit to frame people and you will not feel your life is in danger all the time.

Sincerely,
Theis

Sam Dunham said:

The small interagency SRT I was on was made up of team members from 4 depts. You always have Nomax and a helmet. In the bigger depts, SWAT or SRTis comprised of fulltime teams and that is all they do. Train shoot and run lift weights and do High-risk warrants. They never expose their faces and try to keep a low profile to keep them safe at home and their family. If a major thing happens they may or may not be involved in Court? Depends on the defense asking for and getting a "Motion of discovery" or a "Probable cause hearing" etc. SWAT is kept somewhat anonymous in big depts but sometimes they are forced to go to Court and testify. Being ID'ed as a SWAT Officer in Gang ridden areas can be very dangerous for your health.

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Shooting unarmed women or people including women and children fleeing from a burning building could be hazardous for your health too. I could see why you would want to wear a mask.

Sounds alot like the plot from Training Day, someone needed cash in a hurry maybe.

deersniper said:

if convicted they will get a slap on wrist compared to what any private citizen would get for b and e plus murder

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The officer's who falsified the info should be charged with some form of murder, burglary, etc.

I have absolutely zero tolerance for this kind of behavior.

Sam Dunham said:

Not really, you need to the gear to stay alive! You face dogs, fire, and guns and clubs, pepper spray and Tasers, booby traps, hanging fishhooks and electric shock. Explosives and drop boxes just to mention a few. Flashbangs do not work unless you have the element of surprise and some of these guys have gotten really innovative to armor up their house. I agree though, LE better damn sure get the right house!

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Or you could. Idk not do warrants for drugs?

Maybe just a few more and we will turn the tide on the war on drugs.

Sam Dunham said:

I have never done that, I suppose you are talking about the Muck ups of others. If I get attacked personally I will stop posting on these subjects.

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He is talking about a very specific instance.

deersniper said:

Or you could. Idk not do warrants for drugs?

Maybe just a few more and we will turn the tide on the war on drugs.

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The gov doesn’t want to turn the tide on the war on drugs. It employs too many people and is too profitable.

Sam Dunham said:

I have never done that, I suppose you are talking about the Muck ups of others. If I get attacked personally I will stop posting on these subjects.

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He's not attacking you. I wouldn't worry too much about anyone attacking you personally, anyway. I value the thoughts and opinions of folks who've been through some shit very highly and appreciate the time y'all take to provide some perspective to concerned citizens like myself who see some weird shit going on and wonder what the decent folks in those roles think about this kind of bullshit.

It would suck for some random assholes to ruin that privilege, but I guess that's what this society is about these days.

One dickhead can ruin things for everyone.

Yep, that's an actual quote...

Sam Dunham said:

I have not been through anything but Sunday School compared to veteran officers in large Cities. My knowledge is not much more than what a rural officer would see in 32 years, 26 on the road. I really have no idea what the SOP and day to day of these full-time SWAT guys are and is limited to the amount of training I did with them so count me out as a so-called Pro on Houston SWAT. I am a Hillbilly Cop only from Arkansas. As I said earlier, Mayberry and would lose my lunch as old as I am now on the first run.

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Doesn't matter, I'd assume you know right from wrong. I'd go out on a limb and say that lying to a judge to get a search warrant is always a bad thing. Doubly bad to show up and execute the occupants. Triply bad to try and cover it up. Sugar on top to have the police union president talking about gun control and how the police are sick and tired of people not liking them, and they're gonna troll facebook and twitter looking for anyone that doesn't want to lick their boots.

That all happened, it seems. You ever thought about being a CLEO in a Houston suburb?

Hi,

@AIAW
Did they arrest her for eating a salad, LOL????

Sincerely,
Theis

THEIS said:

Hi,

@AIAW
Did they arrest her for eating a salad, LOL????

Sincerely,
Theis

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Jay walking.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/cop-candor-at-least-we-didnt-rape-her?source=policybot

AIAW said:

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Yep, that's an actual quote...

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Typical statist, thinking statist thoughts, saying statist things...

Next time someone asks: "What is the purpose of the RKBA?", or "Why do we still have the 2nd Amendment?", my reply will be..."Because of this ?..."

Followed by a posting of that meme.

Guys! Guys! Calm down. It's probably just a couple bad apples, three tops.

QuickNDirty said:

Jay walking.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/cop-candor-at-least-we-didnt-rape-her?source=policybot

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It was the toe sneakers that set them off.....

Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.

I think the academy's teach the opposite of that.

THEIS said:

Hi,

@AIAW
Did they arrest her for eating a salad, LOL????

Sincerely,
Theis

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She could have been munching on a "Phat Sandwich" and they just weren't having that shit on a Sunday afternoon.

It will be business as usual until cops start going to prison.

Art Acevedo now stating that narcotics officer Gerald Goines, who lied on the affidavit may face criminal charges...

Article:
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...-shooting-affidavit-confidential-13620120.php

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"There's a high probability there will be a criminal charge," Acevedo said Friday after a police affidavit into an ongoing investigation was filed raising questions about the integrity of the Jan. 28 drug bust.
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Makes me wonder who shot who.
Basically two people get stormtrooper while watching TV or whatever. One false move and the lead boys start into OH SHIT GUN. The next thing you know there is eight to ten officers jammed up in a tight space and one squeeze later there's 75 bullets flying and brass everywhere.
I bet that the civilians never had a gun or even fired a shot.

Sam Dunham said:

Agreed.

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Sam, thanks for your input. The point I was getting at is if someone kicks in your door wearing all black, or all od green, or all tan, or all hot pink your gonna react to contact. If they don’t even say srt or swat or insert alphabet organizations here then they are bad guys.. they are either criminals or.. when I was in the military I had to wear my last name on my shirt. I don’t know if the upper echelons are supposed to do this two, but I know I had to. If it’s expected of our military it should damn well be required of cops were we are supposed to have rights. They appear to be sacrificing one cop in all this, I don’t believe it’s a case of one bad cop, but I wasn’t there. I don’t want any of my enemies to be Americans. Certain politicians and certain cops have already made it apparent that they could care less for people like me and the constitution though. If I seem outspoken it’s because I desire change. I wanna see a cop with his gun out and have the confidence of being able to back him up knowing that the person on the other side of that barrel is crossing thresholds that make it moral and lawful to get more blood on my hands. I don’t wanna come to a cops aid to find out he just shot a guys little lap dog on his property and is then refusing to get off the guys property and keeping him from going into his house. A lot of the stuff I see cops do on video, I will not be able to stand by and not intervene.