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If you're going to call out someone for stolen valor......

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    Know what the fuck you're talking about first.

    I'm not talking about legit stolen valor detectives like BMC Shipley

    Talking about the run-of-the-mill dude who confronts someone wearing some innocuous mil clothing in public like a Navy ballcap with a ship's name or something dumb like that.

    One of their favorite questions is "what was your MOS". Well...……...if you served in the Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard the correct answer would be "none" or "I don't know". Why? Because those services do not use Military Occupation Specialty codes. The Navy and CG use Ratings (two or three letter alphabetical codes) to designate an enlisted man's occupational specialty and Designators (four digit numerical codes) for their officers' warfare or technical specialty. The Air Force uses AFSC (Air Force Specialty Codes) but I don't know much about those.
     
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    I've personally run in to it, but it's been a while. I have a few remaining shirts, hats, etc. left from my days during ODS/S that haven't died from old age.
    I consider it a teaching moment due to the lack of info about ODS/S and what exactly a SeaBee is. And no, it's not some super secret SF group they never heard of :ROFLMAO:
     
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    I was a C-130 Navigator in the Marine Corps. Is it odd that I don't mind answering that question when somebody sees a hat, or shirt, or the flag outside my ranch? I don't really get what the big deal is, or why that question has anything to do with "Stolen Valor", but ... whatevs! If I wear service-related clothing ... I feel like I'm kind of "inviting" the question. If I didn't want to talk about my time in the Marine Corps, I should wear a shirt with a Cocker Spaniel on it, or something like that. I'm just sayin' ...
     
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    Never had anyone accuse me of that. I guess shoulder length hair and a beard to the middle of my chest covers up 20 years of service so nobody thinks to ask. My oldest wears all my old service shirts now.
     
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    roostercogburn98 said:
    Personal experience lately?
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    No. Just something that pissed me off after seeing some douche on youtube do that.

    I don't even wear grunt style/9line or anything similar.

    The only way would know is if you saw my license plate (similar to this one that I pulled off the internet)
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    308pirate said:
    No. Just something that pissed me off after seeing some douche on youtube do that.

    I don't even wear grunt style/9line or anything similar.

    The only way would know is if you saw my license plate (similar to this one that I pulled off the internet)
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    I have seen some of those videos that make me cringe for sure. I wear Grunt Style just because I know/served with the owner and like to support his business. As for license plates, mine tends to tell people to fuck off for some reason??? It has purple on it, I believe that makes people think twice.
     
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    I wear a bill cap with 1st. Cav patch on it and my kids gave me one with a CIB on it. Other than that it is just coveralls for me.
    I have asked those questions only a few times when I smelled shit in the air.
    What was your MOS? What unit or Division were you in? Where did you serve? What were the years of your tour?

    If the person actually was there the answers to those questions roll out very easily and you know they are legit.
    If the answer is, "I was in a clandestine/secret Special unit and I can't talk about it." My Bullshit meter goes to Max. What was it? Underground messkit repair company?

    1 case in point for me was when my daughter came home from the local library where she studied and told me of a person that was hanging out there, years ago and before the homeless were so prevalent, and told me, "Pa there is a Vietnam veteran at the library and he doesn't have anyplace to live but people give him money and try to help him out, Do you think you might be able to help him too?" Bless her heart, it was in the right place as to what she knew.

    I went to the library to see if I could help this creature and there he was, putting out more bullshit than a machine.
    I asked him most of the above questions but knew he was bullshit from the start as he wasn't old enough to be a Vietnam Vet, but I played the game.
    He gave me the standard secret shit, I can't talk about it answers, then I put a hard kick boot in his ass and showed him the door. It was a hard rough physical 86. He never returned.

    Local Cops, right next door, responded as I was finishing up my Asskick and told me that they had been onto him but weren't sure how to handle it.
    I handled it my way and that was the end of that. It's been a few years, my daughter is now 40 years old but at the time in High School.

    That is the only time I went off hard, but I can still smell bullshit when it is there. FM
     
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    Foul Mike said:
    I wear a bill cap with 1st. Cav patch on it and my kids gave me one with a CIB on it. Other than that it is just coveralls for me.
    I have asked those questions only a few times when I smelled shit in the air.
    What was your MOS? What unit or Division were you in? Where did you serve? What were the years of your tour?

    If the person actually was there the answers to those questions roll out very easily and you know they are legit.
    If the answer is, "I was in a clandestine/secret Special unit and I can't talk about it." My Bullshit meter goes to Max. What was it? Underground messkit repair company?

    1 case in point for me was when my daughter came home from the local library where she studied and told me of a person that was hanging out there, years ago and before the homeless were so prevalent, and told me, "Pa there is a Vietnam veteran at the library and he doesn't have anyplace to live but people give him money and try to help him out, Do you think you might be able to help him too?" Bless her heart, it was in the right place as to what she knew.

    I went to the library to see if I could help this creature and there he was, putting out more bullshit than a machine.
    I asked him most of the above questions but knew he was bullshit from the start as he wasn't old enough to be a Vietnam Vet, but I played the game.
    He gave me the standard secret shit, I can't talk about it answers, then I put a hard kick boot in his ass and showed him the door. It was a hard rough physical 86. He never returned.

    Local Cops, right next door, responded as I was finishing up my Asskick and told me that they had been onto him but weren't sure how to handle it.
    I handled it my way and that was the end of that. It's been a few years, my daughter is now 40 years old but at the time in High School.

    That is the only time I went off hard, but I can still smell bullshit when it is there. FM
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    "Fully automatic M-16s" are still my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE pit trap... You won't be able to guess how many beginner and amateur level posers fall HARD into that one...

    "You sure they were FULL AUTO? Like, keep the trigger pressed and dump the whole magazine at it's full cyclic rate"???

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    My second favorite are any mention of "Desert Eagles" or any other Magnum Research and niche category firearms being "standard issue"... Usually, they will try to bounce back from that one by stating that THEY were issued the '.44 Mag Deagle' because their unit commander saw how skilled they were on the battlefield... Bro, please, just stop... LOL...

    Online military MMORPG game live chats are where you can have A LOT of fun with these folks...
     
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    "Fully automatic M-16s" are still my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE pit trap... You won't be able to guess how many beginner and amateur level posers fall HARD into that one...

    "You sure they were FULL AUTO?
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    Gotta be careful with that question now days. They Army is going back to full auto m4s. When I left Bragg, they were in the process of phasing out 3 round burst guns. They were even going as far as to simply over stamp the burst and place auto beside it.
     
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    roostercogburn98 said:
    Gotta be careful with that question now days. They Army is going back to full auto m4s. When I left Bragg, they were in the process of phasing out 3 round burst guns. They were even going as far as to simply over stamp the burst and place auto beside it.
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    True dat... Professed years of service and tours of duty at certain time periods also factor into play... If they claim that they were issued an A2-A4 at Fallujah and they were full auto, then 'womp womp womp', we got one...

    Pre-1972 A1s were fully automatic as well and some units even received civilian semi-only AR-15 first production batches from 1958 to 1962...

    The military is full of mind boggling historical quirks... Such as the Marines during the Moro Wars in 1901 receiving Rogers and Spencer percussion revolvers because of a paperwork fuckup... They took them, trained and qual'ed with them, and performed amazing feats on the battlefield even with an "antiquated" sidearm... There are no such things as "antiquated" weapons though, as the .45 cap and ball revolver still dropped Jihadis dead left and right from the Philippines to Egypt...
     
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    pmclaine said:
    Someone vette this guy.....

    www.dailymail.co.uk

    US Marine says he was 'systematically trained to kill'

    Sergeant Rudy Reyes, 48, of Missouri, was part of a small group of elite Recon Marines sent ahead of the 2003 invasion in order to 'clear the path' to Baghdad. He appears in a BBC documentary tonight.
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    I remember Lowlight saying that Don Shipley IS a member of the Hide... I wonder if he is logging on religiously...
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    Blue Sky Country said:
    True dat... Professed years of service and tours of duty at certain time periods also factor into play... If they claim that they were issued an A2-A4 at Fallujah and they were full auto, then 'womp womp womp', we got one...
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    Just to play devils advocate. Would depend on what type of unit an individual served in during Fallujah. SOCOM has had access to an M4A1 variant for at least 20 years, so that puts them in theater for all of GWOT.
     
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    pmclaine said:
    Someone vette this guy.....

    www.dailymail.co.uk

    US Marine says he was 'systematically trained to kill'

    Sergeant Rudy Reyes, 48, of Missouri, was part of a small group of elite Recon Marines sent ahead of the 2003 invasion in order to 'clear the path' to Baghdad. He appears in a BBC documentary tonight.
    www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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    Wasn’t that dude in generation kill hbo series? Could of sworn that’s where I seen him before. I think he played himself in it
     
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    Bonjourjr said:
    Wasn’t that dude in generation kill hbo series? Could of sworn that’s where I seen him before. I think he played himself in it
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    That was him.

    Kinda douchy but whatever...……….
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    I know for a fact that many submariners have participated in missions of extreme national security importance and will not discuss what they did or where they did it, or when they did it, with anyone. Sometimes the answer "I can't tell you, that's secret" is legit.

    The book Blind Man's Bluff exposes some of those missions that have become unclassified, but there is a lot more that isn't yet.
     
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    Think Rudy is now doing some saving marine sea turtles or such.

    Last time I heard
     
    I have problems remembering little things that people claim you’ll never forget, like my drill Sargents name and often get my battalion unit #s flipped flopped. I don’t even have stickers on my car or wear hats or any identifiers like that. I had disabled vet plates but I don’t think I’m gonna keep em.
    In my younger years when I’d tell people I had a fair amount that didn’t believe me. I’ve found life is all around better once you don’t care what people think.
     
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    I've never served in any branch, so probably means my opinion on this don't mean shit. I personally think it's a rather dangerous thing to go out of your way to confront some random person you don't know in a combative fashion. If the confrontation stays civil, that's one thing, but I have seen vids of some folks going nuts on people. If you go out of your way looking for trouble, you have nobody to blame but yourself when you find it.
     
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    I served in a unit that would assume the identity of other units of the same type aircraft, and then deploy to places that the other unit didn't go.

    This was fine, if you went someplace and you didn't run into someone who knew anything about the assumed unit.

    I was getting a haircut one day and another First Class sits down in the chair next to me, starts talking to me. As First Classes were pretty rare on that detachment site. Anyway he was trying to figure out where I was and I told him the Official line, only to have that be his previous assignment. So shit fell apart I pulled the guy to the side and told him, I couldn't tell him.

    Got weird after that.
     
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    Maser said:
    I've never served in any branch, so probably means my opinion on this don't mean shit. I personally think it's a rather dangerous thing to go out of your way to confront some random person you don't know in a combative fashion. If the confrontation stays civil, that's one thing, but I have seen vids of some folks going nuts on people. If you go out of your way looking for trouble, you have nobody to blame but yourself when you find it.
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    ...especially if the dude you are confronting actually is a marine scout sniper with 15 confirmed kills and spent the last 10 years contracting with the CIA...
     
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    I use to have a uss Iowa hat back when we were working to get her saved from mothball. Got shit for it once and educated them to my intent, but that was before the while calling out stolen valor became a cool thing to do.
     
    Redmanss said:
    Rudy is 100% legit.
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    Well than I tuck tail in deference to his experience but I question what value this "news story" has in helping to ensure future training prepares kids for war.

    Teaching brutalizations would be unacceptable but failing to prepare for a horrible environment is going to lead to shock.

    I think of that Marine that got into a hand to hand with multiple insurgents and resorted to a Gerber folder. Reminded me of the bayonet scene in Saving Private Ryan but was real. Marine was awarded a Navy Cross.

    That sort of will to live probably can't be "trained" but you can help strengthen what is there in peacetime by preparing for the possibilities of wartime.

    Probably a topic deserving of its own thread.
     
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    pmclaine said:
    Someone vette this guy.....

    www.dailymail.co.uk

    US Marine says he was 'systematically trained to kill'

    Sergeant Rudy Reyes, 48, of Missouri, was part of a small group of elite Recon Marines sent ahead of the 2003 invasion in order to 'clear the path' to Baghdad. He appears in a BBC documentary tonight.
    www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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    Checked out the article again.

    Noted it's in the "Femail" section of the "Daily Propaganda"

    Maybe he is just trying to get laid for being sensitive............
     
    Foul Mike said:
    Who in the fuck can't remember what unit they were in in a combat zone? I will never forget.
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    A friend served in the Korengal when Sebastian Junger was there. Someone said he served in AFG in the “Kor...Kor something. Korengal?” Friend kept his shit together but told his sister in law later that her boyfriend was lying, no one who was in the Korengal would ever forget the name. Guy turned out to have never served, but he was married. Oops.

    Blue Sky Country said:
    True dat... Professed years of service and tours of duty at certain time periods also factor into play... If they claim that they were issued an A2-A4 at Fallujah and they were full auto, then 'womp womp womp', we got one...

    Pre-1972 A1s were fully automatic as well and some units even received civilian semi-only AR-15 first production batches from 1958 to 1962...
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    The M16A3 was always auto and is now flat top. Major user is Seabees. Never seen or heard of a fake Seabee but it’s happened I’m sure.

    Every USG early AR-15 I’ve seen photos of was auto. The AR-15 wasn’t redesigned to semi until after the M16 was type classified. To my knowledge there has never been a type classified M16 FOW variant in military service that wasn’t auto, though it’s not weird to see some like the Mk12 that had the auto seat taken out and a COTS Geissele or other semi trigger installed. I have seen DA civilians (Natick) with semi lowers. Unsure how that came to be but they did it. They could have legally drilled an auto sear whole without paperwork if it mattered to them.
    308pirate said:
    I know for a fact that many submariners have participated in missions of extreme national security importance and will not discuss what they did or where they did it, or when they did it, with anyone. Sometimes the answer "I can't tell you, that's secret" is legit.

    The book Blind Man's Bluff exposes some of those missions that have become unclassified, but there is a lot more that isn't yet.
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    The status of SSBN crewmen in the VFW is a clue for those that don’t know, though the SSGNs and one of the Sea Wolf class boats are undoubtedly also up to some interesting things that no one gets to wear a device for.
     
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    RyanScott said:
    The status of SSBN crewmen in the VFW is a clue for those that don’t know
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    I don't think you know what you're talking about. SSBN crews do nothing but disappear in the wide open ocean. Their one and only job is strategic deterrence.

    They do absolutely nothing else at sea. Certainly not place the boat in any situation where detection is even remotely likely.

    Go back to sleep.....
     
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    Pretty sure I saw the same folks you're talking about on YouTube.
    Yankee had a video earlier in Chaz filming their summer of love.

    When they were coming at him and swatting at his camera he stated "I'm an ally" .

    He also twisted himself up in knots trying to defend them.

    He's yet another leftist imho.
     
    buffalowinter said:
    I've personally run into this. It's especially bad if you're Special Forces or some other unit that has more wannabe's than actual members. I don't like to talk to people as it is, and I certainly don't tolerate random interrogations.
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    Nor, should you have too. According to Miss Manners the correct mannerly response to nosy questions is "NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS" or sometimes if South of the Mason Dixon line " well arnt you special."

    I do appreciate your service, that dosent mean I have a right to bother you.
     
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