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JP SCR awesomeness

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I picked up an SCR upper from a guy here and just got the lower from JP yesterday, so I ran out to the range today to get it tested out. The good and the bad- bad is it makes you love damn JPs! I never really got the hype behind them, until you shoot one. I say because at their prices it can be an expensive choice! But it is one smooth shooting rifle and I did not even get the JP SCS yet. I used a Geiselle super 42 buffer in it for now. It is an 18" medium contour barrel with thermal dissipator. After I sighted it in I shot a 5 rd .35" group @ 100 yds with IMI 77 grain! Then proceeded to shoot the next one just a hair over that! Here is an odd part though- it did not seem to care for any other type of ammo I tired. Gorilla 77 was right at an inch, IMI 69 - .9, Copper Creek- 2 different 77 grn loads, were right at 3/4" and cheap Fronteir 75 was terrible, around 1 1/2''
Now, I am very happy because the cheap IMI actually shot the best and grouped literally around 1/3" I love the side charging handle as well and the bolt charges like it is on rails, no grit feeling like a lot of ARs. I am glad I decided to keep it.
I was going to get the lower coated to match but I wanted to get it out and shoot it and it may grow on me. I have a different stock coming this weekend.
I will definitely get a different scope as well! The Athlon has some tracking issues. I needed to come one click left to be perfectly zeroed, did it an no change, did it one more- same no change in poi, came another click and still nothing, came one more and then it was too far left by about 2". This is the cheap Athlon I think I paid like 250 for it so I did not expect all that much but that is kind of frustrating.





 
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Mine are picky with ammo, too. I load for them, and development is typically long. Once figured out, though, they shoot great. I've not tried the side charger only version, but I like to concept of not getting gassed in the face when running suppressed.

Yours looks good!
 
It is odd because I have a Shilen ar and it literally shoots everything under 1", but I have never gotten a 1/3" group of it either. I will load for it when I have time. Are you shooting 77 smk's?

I swapped the stock today and this is my first UBR and I love it! I may swap out some other stocks now with these. I have always been an LMT stock fan, they are almost all of my ARs but I really like the solid feel of the magpul. Plus it takes like 5 mins to swap them out!



 
Yeh I need a better scope! 3k rifle with a 300 scope!:unsure: Out of place for sure but it works for the time being. Is yours an 18" as well?
 
When you got a muzzle break the size of an artillery piece on there are you suprised? They really are nothing special outside of their outstanding barrels.
 
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When you got a muzzle break the size of an artillery piece on there are you suprised? They really are nothing special outside of their outstanding barrels.
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Exactly-it's pretty much run of the mill next to all my other side charging ARs.
 
I agree and disagree at the same time. Beauty is in the beholder I suppose also. I do have factory Daniel Def. Pro uppers that shoot 1/2" groups and a few custom ones with various top end barrels that do the same. Plus yes I spent way less on them! I am the first one to call a spade a spade so to speak. It does make you wonder why an $800 upper can shoot the same as an upper you spent 1500 on! But it is the age old debate kind of thing right- I mean a honda will get you to work and back very reliably but people still buy BMW and Mercedes all day long. Is it worth it- up to the buyer. It is kind of like why guys spend 4k on an SR-25 when an LMT will do the same thing. Is it worth it...… who knows. I spent about $ 1500 on a built AR-10 that I bet would out shoot an SR-25 but would I love to have one- yes! I was expecting full well not to like it actually. I had the upper for sale for awhile and it did not sell so I got the lower figuring I would try it and if I did not like it, sell it. Sure it is like any other upper, with a great barrel. But the fit and finish are top notch, has the JP carrier, etc.. etc.. The upper and lower fit so tight you can take the pins out and shake the hell out of it and it will not move. Big deal- no nor important really, but shows you the quality of their fit. I am happy with it. Would I but another one- probably not but I am going to get the 9mm PCC though. I shoot so much it will be cheaper to play with every week instead of blasting various other things. Plus they are not that bad priced. There is a reason so many 3 gunners use JP also. But, I will not be selling off my stuff to replace it with all JP either!
 
Just realize that tollerences are a two way street. Any manufacture on the planet can make tollerences so tight on a firearm but there is tradeoffs. Primarily in reliability and inchangable parts. What you think of as a plus many see as a negative. They are nothing special. As far as the $1500 mixmatser ar10 that shoots better than a sr25....not happening. If by better do you mean It could potentially be more accurate? Yea that's possible. But to say it's more durrable, reliable,ect when compared to the most tested and proven (in combat) large frame ar in the history of the world, well that's just nieve. Any retard with a cnc and basic understanding of mastercam could make a gun so tight it would hold itself together. That's easy. Doesn't mean it's going to work as intended. Being able to design the parts with precision and reliability to work within a complex system that is greater than the sum if it's parts without requiring hand fitting.....THAT is what impresses me.
 
So,. it is safe to assume you are not a JP fan??? I am curious if you have you ever owned a factory JP rifle at all and owned the SCR model in particular??? If you have and had less than ideal results than by all means tell everyone so they can hear it. I am not being sarcastic I am being serious, if you owned one and did not like it I would be interested. Trust me, I am not some blind fanboy. I buy lots or rifles and try them with a 100% open mind. I will say I did own one other JP briefly when I had my FFL business and shot it a few times and sold it. I never really liked it all that much.

Things always get taken out of context and people love to cling to what they believe is the best. I personally do not have strong alliance with any one manufacturer over another. There are so many good companies out there now. Also, it is not a contest of JP versus other brands--- it is a quick review stating my observations. There is a reason why lowlight ranks JP the best semi- gas gun out there and there is a reason thousands of 3-gunners use them. I get it- as you said you do not think they are worth it and that is fine. As for the SR-25 comment- I never said it was better, I said it can out shoot one- meaning more accurate. I only made this observation based on years of facts. On the SR-25- issue- well I literally shot one at work for several years. We used the hell out of them and they are decent accuracy at best. This is from literally shooting dozens and dozens of them. I could never and nor could anyone else I worked with ever had one group under an inch. These were the 20" versions. Not to bash them because they function amazing and I get it you are paying for the reliability etc... I was not having a JP verus knights thread- it was a simple statement about cost compared to use, need, wants etc.. My personal observations are that my Bartlein barrled gun shoots better (more accurately) than any SR-25 I have ever shot and that is a fact, not internet bs. Do people have some that are 1/2" guns - sure I bet they do but that is not my experience with them. Now, I get it a cheap parts gun with a Bartlein barrel does not mean it will run like a Knights - maybe and maybe not. Having said all that I would own one because of their reliability and overall quality. Knights and JP both have some innovative features that make them pricey.

That was actually my point which maybe I did not ex[plain enough. My main point was that there is more than meets the eye to price than accuracy or looks, you are paying for what you said- a system. Sure a cheaper gun may shoot the same accuracy as another gun but does it mean it will have the same long term reliability etc.. etc. and all the things you pay for- probably not!

I am happy with my purchase. DO I think it was worth it- yes. That is why there are so many options out there- we all like and want different things.

It is a question of personal preferences and it is up to each person to decide if the juice is worth the squeeze! My review is an honest assessment of accuracy based on one range outing so far because I was impressed. Sure, it may fall to pieces in 2k rds but I doubt it. I will change my mind if it has function issues etc... but it was posted to assist in people's decision making process. There are a few respected reviewers on youtube that mirror my statements as well. Look at lowlights 224 valk. videos also. He seem rather smitten with them too!
 


Frank's review of another JP and he seems to be in love as well! It is just the big brother of the SCR.
 
Cool story, I have been building and shooting ARs for over 20 years as a profession and a hobby. Jp makes decent guns but they are stupid expensive and not something to trust your life on. 90% of what you are really seeing is their exceptional barrels’ which are not cheap by the way. For the same money I can grab a spin up barlien, Krueger,hawk,etc that will probably shoot better anyway.

Everything else is run of the mill. There are so many innovative parts out there if u want to go down that road you don’t need to even look at jp.

Honest truth... you seem to be defending your purchase and have a very basic understanding of the platform. Jp and knights are apples to space shuttles. One is a gamer gun the other is THE gun designed and developed by Eugene Stoner with reed knight. Most of the features and standards you see today are because of them. They are proven top to bottom.

I’m glad your happy with your purchase and can self justify. Please don’t try and shove it down everyone else’s throat.
 
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I wrote a funny response but do not feel the need to explain any more . Tell you what- if you do not like them, you can buy what you like it is America! That is why there are so many companies out there- different people like different things! Like them, hate them I truly do not care as it is irrelevant to me. Now go jump on Franks' threads and bash all of his JP great reviews as well.

If you prefer any further interaction please feel free to message me and I will be happy to talk to you more but it seems silly here. this is not arfcom.
 
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I don't give two fucks about how Joe Shit the Ragman can spin any Krieger on their Palmetto State upper and have it shoot 1/2". That should be quite obvious at this point.

Cannot the same be said of folks who are spinning on a pre-chambered LRI RPR barrel and shooting alongside custom-built rifles?

I own two JP rifles. I bought the second after the first put together groups that were more precise than my custom built bolt rifle.

There's something to be said about owning a complete "system" from a company such as JP. Could I do it myself? Absolutely. Can I call JP and bitch to him if my home build isn't acting right? Absolutely not. But guess what I could do if that JP-built rifle wasn't performing?

Anyhow, there's not much to critique in terms of performance. The only thing people like to bitch about are the prices, which qualifies for a simple remedy: go grab that Palmetto State.

On a side note, I was running 69gr TMK's in my JP-15, but decided to try some 77gr SMK's. At the end of the day, there's probably not going to be much difference, but the 77's were quite a bit cheaper so I thought I'd give them a go. Plus, aren't 80gr pills the new hotness nowadays? ;)
 
Spot on. I have never heard one review- ever that someone who actually had one and said it functioned like shit or was not accurate or had reliability issues etc.. They run like tops and are silly accurate but pricey. Love em or hate em those are the facts. I have seen several of them with thousands of rds through them with zero issues at all. So gamer gun or whatever you want to call them- they run and run well and accurately to boot.
 
hitman said:
I wrote a funny response but do not feel the need to explain any more . Tell you what- if you do not like them, you can buy what you like it is America! That is why there are so many companies out there- different people like different things! Like them, hate them I truly do not care as it is irrelevant to me. Now go jump on Franks' threads and bash all of his JP great reviews as well.

If you prefer any further interaction please feel free to message me and I will be happy to talk to you more but it seems silly here. this is not arfcom.
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Hitman don't waste your time talking to Primus (AKA Penis) he has proven time and time again what a waste of free air he is, he'll run his cock hole all day but when confronted or challenged to back up any of the bullshit he talks!?... Radio silence!

To this day I don't think he's ever posted a 5x5 or any pics of all these rifles he "supposedly" owns or has experience with.

Basically just hit the ignore button, we all do.
 
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Very true! It makes posting a review frustrating! I am always positive and just love shooting and posting some results every now and then. I have no desire to piss on someone else's choices. It is kind of like running up to a guy with a Vett and saying hey vets suck, they are not all that! Well, have you ever owned one?? Well, no but I read on the internet that they suck! So it must be true! Well, I can put a 350 small block in my pinto and it will outrun your vet all day long! Funny parallel I think!

I have no dog in the fight to convince anyone of anything out there and do not care what people like or do not like. That is up to each buyer to decide. But I operate on actual data and personal results. If he has results with actually shooting a JP and owning the SCR in particular and found it to be shit then post them up and offer real data not internet rumors. Performance to me is measured by many variables. One is accuracy. Two, would be reliability. Three, would be durability. Four would be fit and finish. Five would be the overall feel and handling of the weapon while shooting it. These are not ranked either- just what I consider important. For example a BCM will run like a top but the accuracy is ok. A PSA is cheap and seems ok but probably lacks everywhere else. It is the overall package. It is kind of like why buy an Escalade when the Suburban is literally the same vehicle??? Well, it is nicer! Many people think it is stupid I am sure but I am also sure the Caddy owners feel it was money well spent.
 
I have seen the same kind of logic/hate applied to my mention of KAC or other quality rifles or gear.
Some folks find it easier to justify their low quality gear than to earn enough to get better gear.
If you post a few groups they will be ruled out as irrelevant because they were not 50 shots, not witnessed, not videoed and linked etc.
Nice rifle!
 
JP is more accepted here today than 5-6 yrs ago. Their stuff top shelf, pure and simple. I recall 10 yrs ago when I bought a CTR 02, local AR builder told me what a pile I paid for, tolerances too tight, blah, blah fucking blah. When asked if he had anything he wanted to shoot against it things went quiet, then not reliable, I pointed to no forward assist, blah blah again.
I also have a 9mm GMR 15, again the gold standard.
 
rth1800 said:
I have seen the same kind of logic/hate applied to my mention of KAC or other quality rifles or gear.
Some folks find it easier to justify their low quality gear than to earn enough to get better gear.
If you post a few groups they will be ruled out as irrelevant because they were not 50 shots, not witnessed, not videoed and linked etc.
Nice rifle!
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Which is exactly not what is happening.

JP brings little to the table other than some novelty parts like the SCS and their LM Carriers. And there are about 25 other companies who make similar gimmick with some actually making a better mouse trap (such as bootlegs adjustable carrier) that does not turn your gun into a game/toy gun.

They do make great barrels, which is why the are accurate. Everything else is overpriced for the market. There is a reason they are popular in the game gun market, that's what they build.

This is coming from someone with a rack of KAC rifles so don't play the go be poor somewhere else card. Some of us actually understand the differences and how the AR DI system works. Chrome Lined SR15 and 25 barrels already shoot sub MOA and the LPR barrel is a Krieger that shoots sub 1/2. All while getting the most durable and reliable AR in existence. The only reason to want something else is for a caliber they don't make/build in the setup you want.

JP rifles are for people who are incapable of building an accurate rifle. You pay a premium for that. Apparently there are plenty around here. Personally I would rather build a BETTER rifle that is just as accurate while being more durable/reliable and without so many gimmicks and shitty aesthetics. Just my opinion.
 
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I don’t own a JP rifle. I build my rifles and use the JP captured buffer system. Have used some JP adj gas blocks.
I’m no fan, just wonder why you are busting chops on his nice rifle??
Suggest if you don’t like the rifle or maker just drive on.
 
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Welcome to the internet where people express their opinions. The subject of what makes them expensive and is it worth it came up so I chimed in. If you don't like the content of the thread you are just as welcome to keep walking too.
 
Getting back on topic here...I run 77smks in my heavy barrel JP. It likes TAC, and I load on a Dillon 1050. Shoots 1/2"-5/8". Can't hate loading 500rds per hour.

My medium contour rifle likes 75g Hornady HPBT Match over 8208. It was very picky. Best I can do there is 3/4".

I also have an ultralight from them. I've yet to figure out a load for it. It does not like 77SMKs or 69 TMKs. That's all I know.

Contrary to the other poster, I think JP barrels are the weakest part of their operation. I've used up half a dozen WOA barrels, and they were all more accurate and easier to load for. It's the reliability of the system, the crazy smooth recoil impulse, and the thermo fit barrel that keep me coming back. One day I'll wear out a JP barrel and try something else in one of my rifles. Gonna be a while, though, their barrels to to last forever.
 
hitman said:
I picked up an SCR upper from a guy here and just got the lower from JP yesterday, so I ran out to the range today to get it tested out. The good and the bad- bad is it makes you love damn JPs! I never really got the hype behind them, until you shoot one. I say because at their prices it can be an expensive choice! But it is one smooth shooting rifle and I did not even get the JP SCS yet. I used a Geiselle super 42 buffer in it for now. It is an 18" medium contour barrel with thermal dissipator. After I sighted it in I shot a 5 rd .35" group @ 100 yds with IMI 77 grain! Then proceeded to shoot the next one just a hair over that! Here is an odd part though- it did not seem to care for any other type of ammo I tired. Gorilla 77 was right at an inch, IMI 69 - .9, Copper Creek- 2 different 77 grn loads, were right at 3/4" and cheap Fronteir 75 was terrible, around 1 1/2''
Now, I am very happy because the cheap IMI actually shot the best and grouped literally around 1/3" I love the side charging handle as well and the bolt charges like it is on rails, no grit feeling like a lot of ARs. I am glad I decided to keep it.
I was going to get the lower coated to match but I wanted to get it out and shoot it and it may grow on me. I have a different stock coming this weekend.
I will definitely get a different scope as well! The Athlon has some tracking issues. I needed to come one click left to be perfectly zeroed, did it an no change, did it one more- same no change in poi, came another click and still nothing, came one more and then it was too far left by about 2". This is the cheap Athlon I think I paid like 250 for it so I did not expect all that much but that is kind of frustrating.





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try the magtech mk 262 load. very reasonable and shoots really well. Usually significantly better than the IMI.
 
I have a 6.5 CM built with JP upper parts, and a 223 with JP upper parts and both shoot very well. When it got time to do a PCC, I read a lot of reports of guns not running well because of mismatched parts. I didn’t want to fight that fight, so I just ordered a complete rifle from JP. Has run like a champ from day one. People can say what they want about cost, but all of my stuff from them works! Sometimes that is worth the headache. I’m a fan.
 
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I have 3 JP Rifles and all are accurate and reliable as one could ever ask for but with the Quality of Bugatti.
 
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