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NRA Shoots Down I-1639, WA State Must Read

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    https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...tate-prevents-i-1639-from-appearing-on-ballot

    If you're in WA, this is BIG news. In June, Bloomberg and the gang came out here to spend money. They tried to get this initiative on the ballot that is the wet dream of gun ban types. If passed, it would have been the gun ban types wet dream and made WA worse than CA overnight. It would have forced me to move out of state next years instead of looking for a place in state near BLM or NF land.

    In June, they said for this to be on our ballot, that they'd need nearly a quarter million signatures. I figured I was good, no WAY they'll get that many signatures in the few months they have, not what they are asking.

    But that isn't what they were asking. They tied this initiative to another one having to do with grocery tax, so when you signed against the grocery tax, YOU WERE ALSO SIGNING FOR I-1639! I almost did it myself, I saw those guys in front of Walmart collecting signatures and I don't like the grocery tax and the only reason I didn't was I was just in too much of a hurry. When I went there last weekend for a tarp for the M2, it got a lot of looks and this one guy stopped to talk and he told me about the fuckaree going on with the ballots at Walmart.

    The judge that shot it down did so because of "fine print too small to read" and "didn't include strikethroughs" (I'm not certain what "strikethroughs" are, I mean I have an idea but not in relation to this). The fine print being too small to read was EXACTLY what they were doing at Walmart though. "Hey! Sign up here if you don't like grocery taxes!" But that's not all you were signing for.

    Now it makes total sense: the ONLY word about this initiative I've heard was the NRA report about Bloomberg coming here to blow money. Never saw an advertisement, never saw a sign, never saw anyone collecting signatures. Usually when a popular voter initiative comes up, you know it. They're everywhere. When marijuana got legalized here, there were signature collectors EVERYWHERE. Same with suppressors. Gun ban? Silence.

    But it's good to know that they're number one strategy was to do it underhanded because they knew it wasn't gonna pass in the daylight. Not when you consider we were legalizing suppressors while everyone else was banning magazines. Bloomberg didn't do his homework and obviously invested too much in the Seattle hipster scene!

    The moral of this story is:

    DO NOT SIGN INITITIAVES WITHOUT READING THROUGH THEM COMPLETELY!
     
    I am considering moving there in a year or two, Texas is getting too liberal.

    AJ......Are you fucking crazy ? (Unlike others, we'd love to have you, but you have no idea how liberal it is here. Compared to Washington, Texas is Eden/Mecca. From a born and raised Washtonian......). Oh, and class 3 is not legal here.....never has been. :(:(:(
     
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    no man, its not that bad there, well except BBB is there but I suspect he was on Bloombergs payroll for that inititaive and will be going back to LA NYC or CHICAGO soon so the time might be right,
     
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    That gun class is so idiots don't walk around with guns not knowing how to use it.

    Requiring an individual to pay for expensive training or training which may not be allowed near their home (see Chicago) is a great way to restrict the rights of lower class persons who are often the most in need of the ability to exercise their right to defend themselves...
     
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    Requiring an individual to pay for expensive training or training which may not be allowed near their home (see Chicago) is a great way to restrict the rights of lower class persons who are often the most in need of the ability to exercise their right to defend themselves...


    i see your point, but if you can buy a cell phone you can pay for the class. ive seen way to many idiots at the range to justify the need for a class for some to CC. Its a big responsibility to know when and when not to shoot
     
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    i see your point, but if you can buy a cell phone you can pay for the class. ive seen way to many idiots at the range to justify the need for someone to CC. Its a big responsibility to know when and when not to shoot

    Classes are ~$250 and 16 hours are required in Illinois. How close are they offered to the South Side? Most of those people don't have cars....add on time for busses and fare, and I'm not even sure if they are allowed to bring their cased guns onto a bus.

    If we can't even required someone to have a state-issued ID to vote because it's too hard to get one, this seems a huge incumbrance to exercise a right.
     
    Classes are ~$250 and 16 hours are required in Illinois. How close are they offered to the South Side? Most of those people don't have cars....add on time for busses and fare, and I'm not even sure if they are allowed to bring their cased guns onto a bus.

    If we can't even required someone to have a state-issued ID to vote because it's too hard to get one, this seems a huge incumbrance to exercise a right.

    DANG!! that ridiculous, You guys need to get together and vote and start a 2nd amen foundation/org and start offering free classes
     
    how about classes for proper speech?

    you are either on board with Freedom or you aint, if you aint you should find a group that more fits your desire of serfdom , not a gun forum, they are kind of diametrically opposed types of people wouldn't you say..
     
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    Personally, I think this type of crap should be illegal. They do this shit in politics all of the time and it is indeed the only way some things get passed! They need plain stated language and that’s it. None of this hiding bills within bills or in this case trying to hide stuff on ballots. Sadly, most people fall for this because they are too busy or too stupid to read and understand what it actually says! Yes, I agree, you must be very careful what you sign!
     
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    DANG!! that ridiculous, You guys need to get together and vote and start a 2nd amen foundation/org and start offering free classes

    LOL, you couldn't pay me enough to live in IL and deal with that, and I mean that literally. I turned down the job and moved to Indiana, a very nice free state.
     
    I am considering moving there in a year or two, Texas is getting too liberal.

    Jerry, there is a shit ton I love about Washington but I concur with Threadcutter? Washington is not a state for you amigo. Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, hell even Colorado. Spent 10 years there and won’t go back so unless your planning a take over stay clear?
     
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    Personally, I think this type of crap should be illegal. They do this shit in politics all of the time and it is indeed the only way some things get passed! They need plain stated language and that’s it. None of this hiding bills within bills or in this case trying to hide stuff on ballots. Sadly, most people fall for this because they are too busy or too stupid to read and understand what it actually says! Yes, I agree, you must be very careful what you sign!

    Agreed. (But, they are the ones writing the rules). :(
     
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    Jerry, there is a shit ton I love about Washington but I concur with Threadcutter? Washington is not a state for you amigo. Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, hell even Colorado. Spent 10 years there and won’t go back so unless your planning a take over stay clear?

    R: IIRC, You’re a prior Washtonian and now you’re now in the greater Phoenix area, right ? If so, you know too.......
     
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    R: IIRC, You’re a prior Washtonian and now you’re now in the greater Phoenix area, right ? If so, you know too.......

    Arizona Phoenix Metro is an 2A alien planet compared to Seattle Washington. Constitutional carry is one on a long list of stark differences......
     
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    AJ......Are you fucking crazy ? (Unlike others, we'd love to have you, but you have no idea how liberal it is here. Compared to Washington, Texas is Eden/Mecca. From a born and raised Washtonian......). Oh, and class 3 is not legal here.....never has been. :(:(:(

    Incorrect, of course it was legal - was made illegal in early 90s but now with all the tech companies moving in , its bringing the bullshit CA crowd with it.
     
    That gun class is so idiots don't walk around with guns not knowing how to use it.

    Sure, they said the same in Australia ... now you send in an application, the cops tell you within 6 months what class you must sign up for, take a few days off work, send in a $1000 check and 6-12 months latter you get the right to buy a gun .... you got to be shitting me if you believe this bullshit.
     
    LOL, you couldn't pay me enough to live in IL and deal with that, and I mean that literally. I turned down the job and moved to Indiana, a very nice free state.
    Sound insight can be found above ^^^.
    I, however, cannot move my "assets" that I live on .

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    Sure, they said the same in Australia ... now you send in an application, the cops tell you within 6 months what class you must sign up for, take a few days off work, send in a $1000 check and 6-12 months latter you get the right to buy a gun .... you got to be shitting me if you believe this bullshit.
    Isn't that the difference? You are talking about the process to own a firearm. We don't go through anything like that to OWN a firearm in the USA. To carry a firearm is a separate issue and the course (at least in Texas) is cheap and easy. The license is valid for 5 years and you get perks like better treatment from the police (at least I do)
     
    Had my Texas chl/ltc for a long time.
    After one or two renueals you dont have to go to class anymore.
    And vetrans are half price.

    Really the class is to weed out total incompetents and so the state can say
    They were "trained", informed and checked to a "rudimentary" level at least.

    Run around without a legal sidearm? Hell no.
     
    AJ, as I posted on another thread, the wife and I are soon moving to Belton TX from Maple Valley, WA. This state has become Kali North and will only get worse as it looks like the libtards are poised to take control of both the state house and senate. If that happens, I guarantee there will be a state income tax in two years and the dick gov Jay Inslee wants a carbon tax that will raise gas prices by about 14 cents a gallon and they will pass all kinds of Kali type gun control shit. I know TX has it's issues but all my family is there and I'm just so tired of what's going on here. The state is run by Seattle and the libtards in Olympia. Eastern WA is solidly conservative (except for Spokane) so if you do come, I'd suggest going East. I have to go into Seattle once a week or so for meetings and I fricking HATE it. "Homeless" (read druggies) camps everywhere, horrible traffic, parking sucks and nothing but skinny jean millennials with nose piercings as far as the eye can see. I even had to remove the NRA sticker on my pick up because about a year ago I came out from a meeting in Seattle and some dick-wad had keyed my truck with "F-- the NRA killers".
     
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    Incorrect, of course it was legal - was made illegal in early 90s but now with all the tech companies moving in , its bringing the bullshit CA crowd with it.

    Well I will be damned, it appears you are correct and that it happened in 1994. I'm going to do some more research because I had always thought and I could swear that I had seen that civvie ownership was banned in the 1929 to 1932 timeframe. And, that it had to do with the rum runners smuggling booze from Canada/BC, through the San Juans. The "authorities" didn't want Chicago style Tommy Gun fights breaking out between the rival gangs.
    If indeed it was 1994, I had a chance to buy F/A and have it grandfathered in......Shit, that window has long since closed.
     
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    WA isn't that bad, while other states were banning shit, we legalized suppressors, then followed up the next year with SBR's. I wanna say there were bans up for consideration those years too. Those failed. So we have SBR, suppressor, DD and AOW. Maybe SBS and FA in the future. During this same time we also legalized marijuana for adult recreational use and gay marriage. Most people here are about the liberty and staying out of other's business best I can tell. It's also a beautiful place with tons of BLM and NF land, not to mention a lot national park land (which you can carry on but not shoot on). I wanna say you can still carry a weapon in the state capitol building but they may have installed a way to check 'em by now. Shall issue and open carry requires no license. Although in all my years carrying here I've never come close to having to draw it. Not once, not even when I lived in Seattle, not even if I walked through "bad" areas at night (there really are no "bad" neighborhoods here, not like Memphis, St. Louis, Chicago, Cincinnati , etc.). That's probably due to the fact housing is outrageous. A 3 bed, 2 bath in a decent neighborhood in Seattle can go for well over $400,000! If you move nearly 100 miles away, you can find it for about half that.

    So that's why I'll probably end up moving next year or the year after if I decide to stay the 2 years here, move to maybe E. WA, ID or MT. I understand housing is cheaper there and long range shooting is closer by. I'll have to look at the laws and see which one suits me best.

    But WA isn't a bad state, no, not at all. You could easily do MUCH worse. The gun laws here aren't bad right now but housing prices are. Everything else this state comes in top, if not number one. I've lived all over, and if it weren't for housing prices I'd stay here. And I may still stay here, it just depends, I still haven't reached that point yet.
     
    With exception to California and Nevada, I have lived in all the west coast states and Washington is the only one where I have drawn my weapon. Lived in Millcreek for cryin out loud?
     
    Alabama is becoming one of the last bastions if hope, aside from Idaho and a few others. That being said, you are running out of places to run to. It’s time to start planting some feet and standing your ground.
     
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    That gun class is so idiots don't walk around with guns not knowing how to use it.
    It is a liberal ploy to mandate training to make it inconvenient to the applicant. Long classes that can be covered in in a 45 minute power point. For example, Ohio specifically defined a 10 hour class that could not be held longer than 8 hours a day. Most of the states do not say what is included in training but will add a time to it. In Virginia, you can take an online class or sit in a class that is mostly someone talking for a while then handing out a pamphlet from the Virginia State Police. The libs are against the online class but don't care what is included in a classroom. Laws are being used to harass not protect.
     
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    AJ, as I posted on another thread, the wife and I are soon moving to Belton TX from Maple Valley, WA. This state has become Kali North and will only get worse as it looks like the libtards are poised to take control of both the state house and senate. If that happens, I guarantee there will be a state income tax in two years and the dick gov Jay Inslee wants a carbon tax that will raise gas prices by about 14 cents a gallon and they will pass all kinds of Kali type gun control shit. I know TX has it's issues but all my family is there and I'm just so tired of what's going on here. The state is run by Seattle and the libtards in Olympia. Eastern WA is solidly conservative (except for Spokane) so if you do come, I'd suggest going East. I have to go into Seattle once a week or so for meetings and I fricking HATE it. "Homeless" (read druggies) camps everywhere, horrible traffic, parking sucks and nothing but skinny jean millennials with nose piercings as far as the eye can see. I even had to remove the NRA sticker on my pick up because about a year ago I came out from a meeting in Seattle and some dick-wad had keyed my truck with "F-- the NRA killers".
    Sorry to see a fellow Maple Valley resident leave.... if all the conservatives leave we have no chance!
     
    I'm stationed in Alabama. I am part of the Army of Occupation to keep these god fearing Southerners under the boot of Yankee oppression.

    I really have no idea why you would say that. I'm from Alabama. We have lots of .mil stationed here at Rucker and Maxwell. We love the military and appreciate their service. The majority of them come from places other than the South. Who cares?
     
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    It's a joke. Not a dick. Don't take it so hard.
    Dude, I've been nothing but friendly to you. I just thought I remembered you referring to the Steel City match as "local".
    Sorry for your issues, whatever they are.
    Thank you for your service.