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The government is desperate to try to take as much money as they can from the little guys because they can't dare tax the super rich, no matter what they blather on about in the media.
They are desperate to take as much money as possible because they can't tolerate the middle class gaining ground on the elite class. Poor and hungry people are easier to control. We are a threat to their power.
 
This is a great pretext to steal from the poor and middle class. Sure you can fight the IRS audit (triggered by you selling some old junk you don't want anymore) but you can bet your ass the IRS is going to double down on the penalties if you do.

On the plus side the Republican party should be able to ride this horse directly into complete control of the House and Senate during the midterms...
 
reported or not I am still going to buy what ever it is I am going to buy . powder , primers when and where I can find them , and bullets oh yes bullets and from time to time guns yea gun and lots of pop corn lots and lots of non buttered pop corn cause hay lama's love popcorn
 
So how does that work when you sell stuff at a loss? I thought you don't get charged tax when re-selling personal items for less then purchase price.
Get a TIN and file a schedule C. You will need documentation for each piece of property sold where the buyer used PayPal G&S. That said, you can write off all expenses associated with it including acquisition, depreciation and loss on disposal (sale) assuming said property is/was used for “business purposes”

Disclosure: I am not a tax professional
 
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Everything seems to be 600. Now taxes on ebay shit, how much you put in and withdraw from bank. Never mind it may be coins you've received from the countless other transactions of years...doesn't matter.

These idiots are out of control, and they are driving the economy further underground.
 
So how does that work when you sell stuff at a loss? I thought you don't get charged tax when re-selling personal items for less then purchase price.
They're going to issue a 1099k or equivalent. It's the same form merchant services providers (credit card processing companies) issue to business owners that accept cc as payment.

The 1099k reports gross receipts. The recipient enters any expenses they're taking against that income on their tax return. If you sold for $1000 and paid $1500, you have gross profit of $-500. Nothing to worry about tax-wise. Just make sure you report the $1500 as cost of goods sold. This is assuming you're treating the sale as income derived from a business.

I want to know how we're supposed to separate out ordinary income, long/short term cap gains and collectibles, since they have different tax rates. Ordinary income and short term gain tax rates vary depending on your income tax bracket, long term cap gains are taxed at 0%, 15% or 20% and collectibles at 28%. Then there's the net investment tax that comes into play on investment income, but not other ordinary income.

There's no legitimate reason why taxation in the US should be as complicated as it is. It's all smoke and mirrors to keep the layman from understanding just how much tax he's paying to the government.
 
They're going to issue a 1099k or equivalent. It's the same form merchant services providers (credit card processing companies) issue to business owners that accept cc as payment.

The 1099k reports gross receipts. The recipient enters any expenses they're taking against that income on their tax return. If you sold for $1000 and paid $1500, you have gross profit of $-500. Nothing to worry about tax-wise. Just make sure you report the $1500 as cost of goods sold. This is assuming you're treating the sale as income derived from a business.

I want to know how we're supposed to separate out ordinary income, long/short term cap gains and collectibles, since they have different tax rates. Ordinary income and short term gain tax rates vary depending on your income tax bracket, long term cap gains are taxed at 0%, 15% or 20% and collectibles at 28%. Then there's the net investment tax that comes into play on investment income, but not other ordinary income.

There's no legitimate reason why taxation in the US should be as complicated as it is. It's all smoke and mirrors to keep the layman from understanding just how much tax he's paying to the government.

Time to start opening up business and selling all our shit at a loss, like we were already doing anyways.

Only difference now, is like you say, having to keep up with accounting and documentation of cost of goods in order to be able to prove and report the damn loss...
 
Time to start opening up business and selling all our shit at a loss, like we were already doing anyways.

Only difference now, is like you say, having to keep up with accounting and documentation of cost of goods in order to be able to prove and report the damn loss...
Go for it. You have at least two years before you have to worry about the hobby rules.

Ring up those losses, gentlemen.

Edit: It doesn't really work like that. If you buy new, use it for a while and sell it those losses would be personal losses, not business losses. You can't take those losses against the rest of your income.
 
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Imagine in a alternative universe where the people just refuse everything. Anything and everything the gov says, mandates and legislates into law are just ignored and taxes go unpaid. In reality we have this power and we just choose not to use it. The challenge is getting people to understand that we do.
Imagine if a 100 sheep told a pair of border collies to FO or they'd stomp their asses. But that would go against the 'herd flock mentality.'
 
That's fine. That $640 transaction you sent me a 1099 for?

Well, I paid 1100$ for it at some point in cash, to some guy off of craigslist, way before any of this shit happened. Oh you want a receipt, well look at that - theres a napkin with some writing on it that I happened to have still!

So like, where's the tax refund on that $460 loss, faggots?


If everyone did this, this bullshit would be gone in a month.
 
Imagine in a alternative universe where the people just refuse everything. Anything and everything the gov says, mandates and legislates into law are just ignored and taxes go unpaid. In reality we have this power and we just choose not to use it. The challenge is getting people to understand that we do.
Such a place exists. It’s called Puerto Rico, where approximately 25% of all economic activity is off the books and nobody gives a damn about the law, nor are they particularly fearful of the US federal govt.

Puerto Rico is now a shit hole with a few nice beaches. This was largely caused by crippling tax hikes.

Anarchy isn’t the answer. A comparatively small centralized government is. Power should lie with local and state governments instead. Kind of like how things were supposed to be here.
 
This is a great pretext to steal from the poor and middle class. Sure you can fight the IRS audit (triggered by you selling some old junk you don't want anymore) but you can bet your ass the IRS is going to double down on the penalties if you do.

On the plus side the Republican party should be able to ride this horse directly into complete control of the House and Senate during the midterms...
The dumb fuckers won't do anything...
 
Just do multiple 599.00 transactions, lol.

I think their main goal is to collect a sales tax, getting some sort of income tax would just be collateral damage.
 
Just to be clear as I've read differing thoughts else where. Does this pertain to any transaction that takes places this year or will go into effect come January 1 2022?
 
Just do multiple 599.00 transactions, lol.

I think their main goal is to collect a sales tax, getting some sort of income tax would just be collateral damage.
That's illegal unfortunately and can land you to getting your peepee spanked pretty badly.
 
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First off, yes I realize this is a six month old thread. This is a link to a very clear article for those who have any interest in understanding exactly how it will work:


Quick summary:
You will not be taxed for gifts or other non-business transactions. However, you will/should receive a 1099K for business/commercial transactions if they total $600 or more for the year. Not single transactions of $600 or more, total transactions equal to or exceeding $600 for the year.

And yes, it will effect your income taxes. That’s very much the point of this, collecting more taxes from both self-employed individuals and more sales taxes from buyers.

How else do you think that they will reduce federal debt? I think that was said already in this thread.