Sig Sauer Scenario Based Training

pmclaine · Oct 17, 2021

The scenario of the moment is......Bacon, Eggs and Cofevfe!

Weird it's a Sunday class.....should be zero cars on the road for my ride.

Scenario Based Training

This is a holistic and comprehensive course that focuses on reality based situations. Students will use actual firearms that have been converted to fire paint marking ammunition only. Students will approach the scenarios in a crawl, walk, run manner and will be thoroughly tested in mindset...

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pmclaine · Oct 17, 2021

First scenario was accomplished with ease....the eggs and bacon were great....my coffee is fantastic.

On the ride I was met with scenario 2.

Driving the road toward the highway to head north I observed a flashing blue LED against the curb on the side of the road. I passed it but was than like "Wow what the fuck was that? Did some operator lose his IFF device? I need to check that out".

So I stopped, backed up 30 feet or so and exited to check out this flashing blue LED device.

Picked it up and in the shine of my headlights I read Comfort Tobacco or some shit.

It was a vape device and I couldnt have been more disgusted holding it if it were a cast off dildo covered in shit.

A quick decon with some high power alcohol wipes my wife keeps in the car and I realized I had to up my game if I was going to survive these "scenarios".

You will be glad to know just prior to the NH border I observed a similar flashing LED in the BDL and with the experience of my past failure I was not fooled a second time. Operators are not among us tossing their cool ass gear outside onto the roadways.

I used to think vaping was cool in that it would cut down on the discarded butts on the side of the highway. Whats up with this shit? Are we now going to have these plastic penis substitutes flashing on the side of the roadways as they have decided to go one time use disposable?

pmclaine · Oct 17, 2021

So far so good.

Not every scenario is a gun fight which is probably a better learning experience than pulling the trigger.

Mindset is trained as "that of you doing your everyday thing"..........not a cop, not John Wick, not post EMP.

We have done some gunfighting back and forth with one student at the front of a car and the other at the rear to get an idea of moving off cover, angles and how much target is presented.

A residential incident when there is a sound at 3AM and you need to get down the hall to check on the kids and bring them to safety.

And a typical walking the street thing with scenarios we would come across in any big city, or small city now a days.

I wont go into the possibilities as its apparent others know some of the scenarios.

Guns are 320s running man marking rounds. They are not running 100% but the student is expected to perform immediate action.

Students need to articulate their decisions. There are not really any wrong answers if your assumptions fit the action.

Running away is seldom a bad choice same as in real life.

Nik H · Oct 17, 2021

I may have to give them a try and take their advanced scoped rifle class next year unless Frank and Marc come back this way

pmclaine · Oct 17, 2021

Ended the day with a few more scenarios....visiting the ATM, going to the local coffee shop and getting ready for bed at night when you hear a noise.

Really diverse group, a retired firefighter, a husband and wife, a person that works for a company that does medical testing and was outspoken in his regard to the covid bullshit.

The most interesting was a radiologist from the midwest that is taking a battery of classes. You could tell he was a healer. He did not want to shoot unless absolutely necessary, very soft spoken and gentle but he was there training and Im sure he would have shot if the threshold had been crossed.

The best part of the scenarios are that they can be brought to the most successful resolution - no shots are fired. Nor are there Kobyashi Maru problems that can not be solved or continue to unfold with "and now a second gun man, but wait theres more, here come three guys with knives....oh, oh....watch out for the rabid dog"

Its not a scenario class where you will leave with PTSD, nor is it a law class so dont expect to come out thinking you are Massoud Ayoob.

Good for the homeowner or anyone that participates in the world and has decided they will own a gun for self defense. aa benign as the scenarios are I am sure that some have come away and said "This is not for me".

I worry about the ones that leave saying "That sucked. I didnt get to mag dump on anyone".

Ive had experience with classes in which every scenario is a gun fight.....its not good preperation for the real world and almost requires untraining later. I know of a local police agency that has a new class graduating this week.....probably to replace the unvaxxed - cocksuckers.........usually they approach every Dodge Caravan with hand on their gun because of what they were exposed to in training with their senior peers.

pmclaine · Oct 17, 2021

Nik H said:
I may have to give them a try and take their advanced scoped rifle class next year unless Frank and Marc come back this way

You may find it kind of too simple.

The range at Sig is generally sheltered. Environment does not add much to the problems.

If you just wanted to go and get some dope or hear someone exclaim on the virtues of his shitty rifle or make excuses for why their "DMR" will not shoot than you may get some entertainment.

What I really like for scoped rifle is the "Precision Rifle - Skill Builder".

One day about 150 rds max and you get a variety of different challenges. Maybe a dueling tree duel - one half of the line vs the other. A cadence fire. Maybe who can hit the paint can at 750 or partnering up and using a playing card target to see which team can shoot the best poker hand.

Distance usually only goes out to 750 yards but the little bit of performance pressure they apply is what makes up for the pretty static environmental factors.

Im looking into visiting Ridgeline in the summer of 2022 to check out their PSR class. Ive got Sig for pistol in January and March of 2022. Ill be looking for an AR class in fall of 2022, employment depending.

Sig has had to extend the period for getting discounts on classes after taking a class. It used to be 3 months but they have extended it to a year as classes fill so fast. That place absorbs a lot of rounds. They are building a firearms playground of sorts and I expect it to become a lead factory.

pmclaine · Oct 18, 2021

I would like to say the sights on my gun stood out when I was shooting but they were non existent......point the muzzle and pull the trigger.

I need more classes to open my vision to actually see the sights. I am guessing a red dot would be fun to try.

Two mistakes I made......

1. During the car gun fight we were told we had to stay at either the front or rear of the car, between the fender corners at each end, no flanking. Of course the guy I'm fighting decides to come down the side of the car and I stopped fighting because I was in the "I'm on a range and this is not within the rules" mindset. So I stopped fighting and I was like "Dude no flanking". Hands on was prohibited but I wish I had of come down the car and kicked him in the chest.

2. When clearing down a hall to get to "my kids room" I had to engage a target dude down a perpendicular hall. My present reaction is to duck back from whence I came. Than in order to cross the danger zone I have to clear again but this time if a dude were there he knows where I am.......better to always go forward. Need to remember take your shots and continue toward your objective.

Nik H · Oct 18, 2021

pmclaine said:
You may find it kind of too simple.

The range at Sig is generally sheltered. Environment does not add much to the problems.

If you just wanted to go and get some dope or hear someone exclaim on the virtues of his shitty rifle or make excuses for why their "DMR" will not shoot than you may get some entertainment.

What I really like for scoped rifle is the "Precision Rifle - Skill Builder".

One day about 150 rds max and you get a variety of different challenges. Maybe a dueling tree duel - one half of the line vs the other. A cadence fire. Maybe who can hit the paint can at 750 or partnering up and using a playing card target to see which team can shoot the best poker hand.

Distance usually only goes out to 750 yards but the little bit of performance pressure they apply is what makes up for the pretty static environmental factors.

Im looking into visiting Ridgeline in the summer of 2022 to check out their PSR class. Ive got Sig for pistol in January and March of 2022. Ill be looking for an AR class in fall of 2022, employment depending.

Sig has had to extend the period for getting discounts on classes after taking a class. It used to be 3 months but they have extended it to a year as classes fill so fast. That place absorbs a lot of rounds. They are building a firearms playground of sorts and I expect it to become a lead factory.

I will keep that class in mind. Didn't know skill builder was an offering.

I know someone who has taken a few of the classes at Ridgeline. Mostly carbine stuff versus scoped precision rifle but they had very good things to say. I want to take 2 classes in 2022 versus one.

Will see

pmclaine · Oct 18, 2021

Nik H said:
I will keep that class in mind. Didn't know skill builder was an offering.

I know someone who has taken a few of the classes at Ridgeline. Mostly carbine stuff versus scoped precision rifle but they had very good things to say. I want to take 2 classes in 2022 versus one.

Will see

Contacted Ridgeline about 2022 classes....they said check with them in Dec/Jan time frame.

You would enjoy skill builder mo'better.

pmclaine · Oct 18, 2021

It became apparent the mindset they were trying to instill is "hunting" leads to bad outcomes.

After performing your scenario you go to the catwalk and observe your classmates reaction. You are sequestered in the classroom so you have no prior observations to game the scenarios. everyone is cold to what will happen.

Any way two class mates after engaging felt they had to than clear other areas of their house rather than hunkering down with the wife and kids to await help.

It gets kind of uncomfortable to hear someone say that they wouldnt have taken three in the back at their house because its different and as they were in the role play they were imagining things would be as they are at their house.......

No.

Accept the lesson and understand you would have taken three in the back at your house than your wife would be raped and kids killed.

Dont hunt if you havce a cell phone in a functional world and you can securely set up to put one into the face of anyone hunting you.

Nik H · Oct 18, 2021

pmclaine said:
Contacted Ridgeline about 2022 classes....they said check with them in Dec/Jan time frame.

You would enjoy skill builder mo'better.

I have met one of the instructors from Ridgeline elsewhere. I think it would be a fun. They offer a positional bolt action class that is advanced and teaches quick engagement. You fire 500 rounds in 2 days in that class. That would be painful

pmclaine · Oct 18, 2021

Nik H said:
I have met one of the instructors from Ridgeline elsewhere. I think it would be a fun. They offer a positional bolt action class that is advanced and teaches quick engagement. You fire 500 rounds in 2 days in that class. That would be painful

Im interested in their PSR 1.

I understand their range is a bit more challenging environmentally.

I think they have adjusted round counts some realizing ammo is tough to come by and expensive.

and besides is 6.5 really that hard on you?

Nik H · Oct 18, 2021

pmclaine said:
Im interested in their PSR 1.

I understand their range is a bit more challenging environmentally.

I think they have adjusted round counts some realizing ammo is tough to come by and expensive.

and besides is 6.5 really that hard on you?

500 rounds in two days would be pretty hard.

In the Lewiston Class, I fired about 180 rounds and that was a good number. I really liked the way Marc and Frank approach teaching. I have been to classes where round counts were higher but I walked away with learning less

The King · Oct 18, 2021

I like scenario based training a whole lot.

So much so that I feel that people that don't engage in it aren't well enough trained to watch my back with a gun in their hand.

pmclaine · Oct 18, 2021

Nik H said:
500 rounds in two days would be pretty hard.

In the Lewiston Class, I fired about 180 rounds and that was a good number. I really liked the way Marc and Frank approach teaching. I have been to classes where round counts were higher but I walked away with learning less

Quality not quantity.

When I decided to bring a lightweight .308 sporting an aluminum butt plate to a class the final rounds were useless.

My collar bone was so beat that I was likely to train a serious flinch into my shooting if I continued to fire.

308pirate · Oct 18, 2021

pmclaine said:
I worry about the ones that leave saying "That sucked. I didnt get to mag dump on anyone"

So you know me?

pmclaine · Oct 18, 2021

308pirate said:
So you know me?

Commies are not just "anyone".

308pirate · Oct 18, 2021

pmclaine said:
I would like to say the sights on my gun stood out when I was shooting but they were non existent......point the muzzle and pull the trigger.

I need more classes to open my vision to actually see the sights.

You need a class with Tim Herron.

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