Rifle Scopes So many Kahles for sale....whats up?
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good question...
I suspect upgrading for the latest and greatest...Tangent Theta Shot Show deal, NF 7-35 MIL-XT, ZCO, S&B GRID, Razor Gen2 H59 or EBR-7C
The same could be said for S&B's in the past couple months
The same could be said for S&B's in the past couple months
zcomp would be one of the reason 
New reticle for razor g2 making those c1 c2 even cheaper now..
New reticle for razor g2 making those c1 c2 even cheaper now..
i just hope their still available in a few weeks when im ready to snatch one.
LSW, top parallax, MSR2...sign me up!
LSW, top parallax, MSR2...sign me up!
also, i did NOT mean to put this thread in the PX. was supposed to go in the regular scopes forum
I was able to pick up one (SKMR3) from the PX last week and I love it. Wouldn't have been able to afford a new one...
I love my 525 and 624. They will be on my rifles for a long, long time.
Different answer for each:
K318:
you can probably count on one hand how many you’ve seen. They don’t come up often. Not as many in the wild as 525 since it’s a 318. Also, typically a more niche optic, so people don’t sell them one they get them as they serve their purpose well
K624:
Older model. People are upgrading to k525 or something else
K525:
Few things. While it’s an awesome optic overall, it is a bit behind on glass when compared to its peers. Both in resolution and FOV. I think most people would deal with it if it were one or the other.
Also, the if Zco stands the test of time, being only $900 (or less depending how much you got your k525i for) more, almost invalidates the k525i from being an option. If you have $2700-$3k to spend, you can spend $3600 at that point.
You get a better reticle, less picky parallax, better glass, and it’s only .5” longer.
Basically, if the Zco pans out, the k525i is fucked.
Mainly, the lesser glass and smaller FOV compared to its similarly priced peers is what’s driving the sales though.
K318:
you can probably count on one hand how many you’ve seen. They don’t come up often. Not as many in the wild as 525 since it’s a 318. Also, typically a more niche optic, so people don’t sell them one they get them as they serve their purpose well
K624:
Older model. People are upgrading to k525 or something else
K525:
Few things. While it’s an awesome optic overall, it is a bit behind on glass when compared to its peers. Both in resolution and FOV. I think most people would deal with it if it were one or the other.
Also, the if Zco stands the test of time, being only $900 (or less depending how much you got your k525i for) more, almost invalidates the k525i from being an option. If you have $2700-$3k to spend, you can spend $3600 at that point.
You get a better reticle, less picky parallax, better glass, and it’s only .5” longer.
Basically, if the Zco pans out, the k525i is fucked.
Mainly, the lesser glass and smaller FOV compared to its similarly priced peers is what’s driving the sales though.
Scope ADHD. The next scope will be the last one you'll ever need, promise.
Is there a way to distinguish between Gen 2 and Gen 3 624i ? Like serial number?
(sorry, somewhat off topic)
(sorry, somewhat off topic)
I think it's a reflection of how many Kahles scopes are out there. Lots of shooters like trying different scopes.
When it comes to the top tier scopes your splitting hairs honestly. I bought a Tangent Theta, and if I am honest most of the time I cannot tell a difference in optical quality between it and my Kahles. I really like the TT a lot, but it definitely does not make my Kahles (525 or 624) obsolete.
When it comes to the top tier scopes your splitting hairs honestly. I bought a Tangent Theta, and if I am honest most of the time I cannot tell a difference in optical quality between it and my Kahles. I really like the TT a lot, but it definitely does not make my Kahles (525 or 624) obsolete.
Gen 2 and 3 624i have different turrets and Gen 3 is the only one with left side windage.
Gen 1 has detents in the parallax
Gen 2 Smooth Parallax
Gen 3 Scalloped knobs as well as left side windage options,
@Tchitcherine per lowlight
Gen 2 Smooth Parallax
Gen 3 Scalloped knobs as well as left side windage options,
@Tchitcherine per lowlight
I sold a Kahles just to buy another one to try a different reticle.
I would not use EE numbers to judge an optic.
I would not use EE numbers to judge an optic.
Most of the time I agree it’s splitting hairs once you cross the $2500/3000 mark.
But I think you’ll find yourself in a very small minority if you can’t tell the difference in your TT and k525i.
I love the k525i overall, but there’s definitely a difference.
Similar titled threads have run the gambit over the last month or so except it was "Vortex" then "Nightforce" lately "Schmidt and Bender" and now Kahles. Just like everything else, the grass is always greener somewhere else...........................and sometimes it is.
Let me clarify Dthomas.
I have a 223 with the Kahles, and a dasher with the TT. When I am practicing I am going back and forth between the rifles, typically shooting 6-10 rds at between 3-600 yds. What I meant to say is I can only rarely appreciate the difference between the scopes while shooting them like this.
Sure, if I set them up on a bench and stare through them for 5 minutes each I can see a difference.
But shooting them, nope.
I actually like the SKMR3 reticle more, but that's just personal. I like the TT turrets a bit more for feel.
Also you could be right I may be in the minority with my observations. And I only have 7-8 trips out with them, so it's not like I have a ton of time comparing them.
I have a 223 with the Kahles, and a dasher with the TT. When I am practicing I am going back and forth between the rifles, typically shooting 6-10 rds at between 3-600 yds. What I meant to say is I can only rarely appreciate the difference between the scopes while shooting them like this.
Sure, if I set them up on a bench and stare through them for 5 minutes each I can see a difference.
But shooting them, nope.
I actually like the SKMR3 reticle more, but that's just personal. I like the TT turrets a bit more for feel.
Also you could be right I may be in the minority with my observations. And I only have 7-8 trips out with them, so it's not like I have a ton of time comparing them.
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I imagine the 55% off certs that Kahles has been putting on prize tables is a factor, especially for the new in box K525’s I see.
People are gear whores, and between marketing and review hype, and typical glass quality rhetoric you are going to hear on the internet, people like to jump around.
Khales are great scopes. I have 3 of them. Overall they have great specs and they are a great value IMO. Other brands may have better "glass", or perhaps other specific features may be better, but do those qualities equate to more hits on target? IMO as an overall package, the Khales is one of the best values on the scope market.
I went from a scope with better "glass" and resolution on my PRS rifle to a Khales. Glass is still great, and I love the features of the scope - especially the reticle. Unsurprisingly, my hit ratio never went down with slightly worse "glass". If anything, they may have improved with a better/more functional reticle (SKMR3).
IMO, once you are at this tier of optics, the most important features are reticles and tracking reliability. Both of which the Khales is at the top of its class.
I wouldn't get caught up with all the consumerism hype of the new whore, I mean "glass", in town. It's expensive to keep jumping around brands, and for little or no functional gain.
Khales are great scopes. I have 3 of them. Overall they have great specs and they are a great value IMO. Other brands may have better "glass", or perhaps other specific features may be better, but do those qualities equate to more hits on target? IMO as an overall package, the Khales is one of the best values on the scope market.
I went from a scope with better "glass" and resolution on my PRS rifle to a Khales. Glass is still great, and I love the features of the scope - especially the reticle. Unsurprisingly, my hit ratio never went down with slightly worse "glass". If anything, they may have improved with a better/more functional reticle (SKMR3).
IMO, once you are at this tier of optics, the most important features are reticles and tracking reliability. Both of which the Khales is at the top of its class.
I wouldn't get caught up with all the consumerism hype of the new whore, I mean "glass", in town. It's expensive to keep jumping around brands, and for little or no functional gain.
Thank you for the LNIB K525i from the PX, you retarded gear whore
lotta "if's"
Just picked up a Kahles 5x25 outta the PX I have a bit of everything except the TT or new ZCO. I think for me it’s a bit of the scope ADHD and just wanting to try something else
Till I find that best bang for the buck. I certainly hope the ZCO is not worth 900 more
Than the Kahles 5x25 and I get to use a ZCO. Cause I’m sure I’ll find some way to justify
Paying for mutlitple ones.
Till I find that best bang for the buck. I certainly hope the ZCO is not worth 900 more
Than the Kahles 5x25 and I get to use a ZCO. Cause I’m sure I’ll find some way to justify
Paying for mutlitple ones.
I use to own 5 pm2 that were g2xr ret..the benefits is you can literally close your eyes jumping from scope to another easy no re calibrating yourself..but it gets kinda boring after sold few bought couple k525 and other scopes...i dont see myself having few or more same config scope ever again...(preference)
Sold athlon earlier so i can upgrade..id rather spend few hundreds extra for zcomp than 3rd k525..
Oh and 36mm tube??? Why not
sold few bought couple k525 and other scopes...i dont see myself having few or more same config scope ever again...(preference)Sold athlon earlier so i can upgrade..id rather spend few hundreds extra for zcomp than 3rd k525..
Oh and 36mm tube??? Why not
1k extra plus the sales tax:/ I do love my kahles scopes and don’t see them going anywhere anytime soon
You don’t compare the cost of a new optic to the price of a used optic to compare value.
Zco is worth the price difference for new vs new.
A new Zco vs a used k525i is a matter of personal preference.
I have zcomp and I have k525’s.
I can sell the zcomps for what I paid for them and I can sell the kahles at a loss.
I’m selling the kahles, if that helps.
Keeping all mine and about to buy another...
The problem with buying a PMII is that you end up buying several more. The first one is just the beginning.
Ill go ahead and say it. At the price point of the used K624's I'd go with one of them over a used K525. I was an early adopter of the K525 and quickly sold it off. The stiffness of the parallax, the smaller FOV, and poor depth of field really turned me off to the optic. Its a good optic, there are just better options for the money. Yes, the glass is better in the K525 than the K624. So much better to warrant the cost? Idk. The CA in the K624 really bugged me. The K525 certainly minimizes the CA.
great discussion guys. Thanks for keeping this about facts and not about fanboys and haters. Appreciate this frank analysis a lot. Hide is great when its like this.
Oh no. I just bought a PMII. I’m doomed. ?
I had a tough time being able to make it to very many matches last season, and spent a heckuva lot more time here at home shooting 22RF repeaters than on the road to CF matches. So much more that I spent only a few hours shooting any of my Bighorns with K624i scopes. So much time was spent behind Athlon Cronus scopes on the .22s that I almost forgot how much I enjoy the Kahles. I've got two Dashers on Bighorns - one a TL2, the other a TL3. and I put a Cronus on the TL2, a Kahles on the TL3. Doing some load development on these two rifles was basically the only time I shot any of my comp rifles last season. Not bitching about the Cronus, but if I could get some of my inventory rifles sold off, I'd more than likely put another K624i on the TL2 Dasher - just because I think it deserves one - and that kind of sums up my feelings for the Kahles scopes. Again, not bitching about the Cronus - got them on both 40Xs & both V-22s, and don't feel the need for anything more expensive.
^^^ That's awesome, I've said that so many times. lol.
Lots of good thoughts here, I had a 525i SKMR3, felt super refined and the reticle was solid, but the glass and FOV wasn't the best with my eyes. Both the 624 and 525 are solid options though as others have stated. I agree almost word for word with @blbennett1288.
One of the most recent kahles 525 sold was mine. I sold it because the FOV is very small and it feels like I’m looking through a tube vs some of the other scopes I have. The glass also had some CA that I felt was unacceptable for a scope in this price range. Mechanically the kahles is one of the best packages however. But for actual use I’ll take a Schmidt, NF, or some of the other scopes mentioned above. I personally think the kahles is over priced. If they were 2500 bucks they would be a good deal id think.
Because they released two new reticles with .2 mil wind holds that everyone wants.
EBR-7C
I think those are the main complaints for sure. I honestly couldn't stomach the CA in the k624i but i understand your sentiment. My K525 isn't going anywhere but the small FOV and DOF are the most notable drawbacks of the optic. It doesn't hinder me but it is a complaint for sure. The k318i is the more impressive of the two. For what i paid i could've had a Minox with a MR4, which i'll get to see this weekend. K525 also loses some on the high end other than that the glass quality seems to be up there with the best. I can even handle the FOV coming from the MK5 wasn't all that different. DOF honestly bothers me the most it's shallow AF. At the end of the day as mentioned above reliability, reticle, and features at this price point should be the deciding factor. And honest to God there is no other reticle i like more than the SKMR3 and inevitably when the SKMR4 comes out i'll have both my Kahles retrofitted with it.
OP for the sake of worrying if that's what the PX is causing, i wouldn't Vortex has been on the PX quite a bit, they're still one of the most used scopes out there and now that the price is reduced if you can stand the weight they're honestly impossible to argue against.
Haven't used em yet bud, but yeah i could see myself liking ZCO a lot but don't feel like taking the hit and spending more for one plus rings. I do like that reticle and the new Mil-XT from NF. Also and this could be frowned upon but i was disappointed seeing people say it didn't match TT. That was the entire premise of the optic to me at least in my mind. Otherwise i'd just stick in the price range i'm in with Schmidt, Kahles, NF, etc. I do think paying retail for a k525i is hard to do but you can usually have them below that by picking up the phone. One day though i'll probably switch or retire the K525i to another rifle, but it's going to be post school lol.
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