Suppressors Suppressors, lightweight or durable?

Long Range 338 · Sep 9, 2019

OK guys so after shooting this weekend with a guy who runs suppressed, I now know that I am a heathen and must repent... I know very little about how the different types/designs effect overall use. My gut tells me that lightweight should impact my loads and point of aim the least, but as I stated I know very little.

What qualities matter most in a precision rifle suppressor? I like to run longer heavy barrels not short fat ones and also want to use across multiple platforms/calibers.

What is best and why?

loveha · Sep 10, 2019

Buy your handle name I am assuming we are looking at 338 and not just 30?
If that is the case then you want a TBAC 338 Ultra assuming you can find one.
For 30 cal cans, others that are good are TBAC 7 or 9. Dead Air Sandman Ti, S, or L. The S and L are heavier duty, and full auto rated, but honestly if you don't do mag dumbs they are not needed unless you want QD which the Sandman Ti does not have being direct thread.

Generally a can is heavy duty enough for any normal firing strings, and maybe some heavy firing schedules. As long as you aren't mag dumping. Unless your can is made of aluminum, those are lightweight and targeted more to hunters who won't be doing heavy strings of fire.

j741 · Sep 10, 2019

Get both, go with a Thunderbeast 338 Ultra. There will be a bit of a wait but they're worth it. Use this link to help find one - https://thunderbeastarms.com/availability

broncoaz · Sep 10, 2019

I look at a suppressor purchase as a lifetime purchase. They have little resale value and take a long time to get. I would spend whatever is necessary to get something heavy enough to last the appropriate lifetime, I can’t tell you what is best for precision rifle, I have a Saker 7.62 and an Omega 30 that I will be using. Post 41p I’m not planning on getting any more class 3 stuff.

I have two cans I regret, the first is a very light all aluminum .22 and the other is a TiRant 9mm. Both work, but due to durability or difficulty of cleaning issues I ended up buying better replacements. The replacements are awesome and I shoot the hell out of them while the old ones sit in my safe basically worthless.

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

loveha said:
Buy your handle name I am assuming we are looking at 338 and not just 30?
If that is the case then you want a TBAC 338 Ultra assuming you can find one.
For 30 cal cans, others that are good are TBAC 7 or 9. Dead Air Sandman Ti, S, or L. The S and L are heavier duty, and full auto rated, but honestly if you don't do mag dumbs they are not needed unless you want QD which the Sandman Ti does not have being direct thread.

Generally a can is heavy duty enough for any normal firing strings, and maybe some heavy firing schedules. As long as you aren't mag dumping. Unless your can is made of aluminum, those are lightweight and targeted more to hunters who won't be doing heavy strings of fire.

You are correct I have 338 and 30 cal stuff (and smaller of course). I think I’m looking at 2 cans, one for 338 and 300 magnums and a smaller can for let’s say 308 and smaller. QD isn’t a big deal to me, I would rather have the repeatability. Assuming I would do some kind of competition with both cans would ti be an issue? Or steel for that matter? That is kind of where I’m approaching this from.

ETA: I’ve heard really good things about Dead Air and Thunderbeast. Wondering about OSS and Sig if anybody has first hand experience.

blbennett1288 · Sep 10, 2019

Long Range 338 said:
You are correct I have 338 and 30 cal stuff (and smaller of course). I think I’m looking at 2 cans, one for 338 and 300 magnums and a smaller can for let’s say 308 and smaller. QD isn’t a big deal to me, I would rather have the repeatability. Assuming I would do some kind of competition with both cans would ti be an issue? Or steel for that matter? That is kind of where I’m approaching this from.

QD may not be a big deal, but I have found that the Area419 suppressor mounts and universal adapters work better than direct thread.

As far as titanium, TBAC is the gold standard for precision rifles so no it won’t be an issue. I have a Titanium and Stainless Steal can and I am looking to upgrade to one of TBACs offerings, as it cuts weight in about half.

I would suggest the following:

TBAC 338 Ultra + Area 419 338 Ultra Mount and Universal Adapter. Or if you so desire go with the 338 Ultra SR which has TBAC’s own proprietary system.

TBAC Ultra 7 + Area 419 TBAC Ultra Mount and universal adapter.

I have not used TBAC brakes and flash hiders but I think they would work wonderfully since the end is tapered. Only down side is having to time the brake, hence my suggestion of the Area 419 system.

TxWelder35 · Sep 10, 2019

Look into the dead air nomad.

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

blbennett1288 said:
QD may not be a big deal, but I have found that the Area419 suppressor mounts and universal adapters work better than direct thread.

As far as titanium, TBAC is the gold standard for precision rifles so no it won’t be an issue. I have a Titanium and Stainless Steal can and I am looking to upgrade to one of TBACs offerings, as it cuts weight in about half.

I would suggest the following:

TBAC 338 Ultra + Area 419 338 Ultra Mount and Universal Adapter. Or if you so desire go with the 338 Ultra SR which has TBAC’s own proprietary system.

TBAC Ultra 7 + Area 419 TBAC Ultra Mount and universal adapter.

I have not used TBAC brakes and flash hiders but I think they would work wonderfully since the end is tapered. Only down side is having to time the brake, hence my suggestion of the Area 419 system.

Funny you should mention Area 419 as I was going to post that I will probably standardize on their adapter, I love their brakes and have several already so using their adapter makes great sense.

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

Also I would add Elite Iron to the list of hands on experience

Huskydriver · Sep 10, 2019

Next time you come down I'll try and round up the posse so you can try or hear a bunch of different offerings.

Tbac is the industry leader in TI precision rifle cans with some of best customer service in the industry. The owner/operators @TBACRAY and @Zak Smith are active here on the forum. Can't go wrong with a tbacc.

The nomad and nomax are great cans from dead air. The sandman cans are phenomenal full auto, sbr heavy duty offerings better relegated to gas guns and knowing what your supressing, you would be better suited with a nomad or nomax. Also great CS and dead airs @Mageever makes an appearance on here from time to time.

Rugged also is another great company. The raident and surge both meter well and would suit your needs.

I have no hands on with elite iron but hear good things.

Oss cans are some of the quietest with minimal backpressure on gas guns. They sound okay on a bolt gun. My concern here would be are they going to be around in 5 years.

Zak Smith · Sep 10, 2019

I would just add that the Ultra series is a lot more durable than what is reflected by suggestions for different "uses" online. Without legitimate full auto firing rates, it is almost impossible to overheat them.

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

Zak Smith said:
I would just add that the Ultra series is a lot more durable than what is reflected by suggestions for different "uses" online. Without legitimate full auto firing rates, it is almost impossible to overheat them.

Thanks for responding. I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I have to ask the stupid question that you partially answered. If shooting PRS or ELR matches where strings of fire can get the suppressor quite hot, what is the best metal for dissipating that heat? Or should a guy just plan to dump water on it to cool it off for the next stage?

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

Huskydriver said:
Next time you come down I'll try and round up the posse so you can try or hear a bunch of different offerings.

Tbac is the industry leader in TI precision rifle cans with some of best customer service in the industry. The owner/operators @TBACRAY and @Zak Smith are active here on the forum. Can't go wrong with a tbacc.

The nomad and nomax are great cans from dead air. The sandman cans are phenomenal full auto, sbr heavy duty offerings better relegated to gas guns and knowing what your supressing, you would be better suited with a nomad or nomax. Also great CS and dead airs @Mageever makes an appearance on here from time to time.

Rugged also is another great company. The raident and surge both meter well and would suit your needs.

I have no hands on with elite iron but hear good things.

Oss cans are some of the quietest with minimal backpressure on gas guns. They sound okay on a bolt gun. My concern here would be are they going to be around in 5 years.

I was checking out the Nomad 30 Naked, that looks pretty sexy. I kind of thought I would prefer the SandmanTi for the 300NM as it didn't look like the Nomad was rated for the magnums?

Huskydriver · Sep 10, 2019

Long Range 338 said:
I was checking out the Nomad 30 Naked, that looks pretty sexy. I kind of thought I would prefer the SandmanTi for the 300NM as it didn't look like the Nomad was rated for the magnums?

The nomad can handle larger 30magnums. I think on their website they say up to 300 rem ultra. I have shot one on the Norma mag np.

Their new can the nomax sounds reallllly good on my 300 Norma though ?.

NukeMMC · Sep 10, 2019

Long Range 338 said:
Funny you should mention Area 419 as I was going to post that I will probably standardize on their adapter, I love their brakes and have several already so using their adapter makes great sense.

I have a .30 TBAC Ultra 7CB I run on multiple rifles:
- AIAX 308 & 260
- TacOps Lima 51
- Mega Maten with Proof 308
- Mega Maten with JP 6.5cm

All use Area 419 adapters, whether 5/8-24, 18mm-1.0, or 9/16-24. Not as quiet as my Ops Inc 3rd Model but weighs less than half as much.

My shift between running with the brake or can varies by rifle, of course, but is right at .1-.2 and consistent in location.

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

I guess I can't read plain English, the Nomad 30 is rated for magnums. That E brake looks kinda cool as well. I can't find anything about the Nomax though.

Huskydriver · Sep 10, 2019

Long Range 338 said:
I guess I can't read plain English, the Nomad 30 is rated for magnums. That E brake looks kinda cool as well. I can't find anything about the Nomax though.

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Emad · Sep 10, 2019

My vote would be TBAC .338 ultra and a
9" .30 ultra. Welcome to civilized! ? I run mostly 30 cal cans on all 30 and down. I do have a .223 and a 6.5 can. My 30's are black .223's are OD and the 6.5 FDE so I can tell the apart at a glance. Something to think about because you may become a stamp collector.

Long Range 338 · Sep 10, 2019

Emad said:
My vote would be TBAC .338 ultra and a
9" .30 ultra. Welcome to civilized! ? I run mostly 30 cal cans on all 30 and down. I do have a .223 and a 6.5 can. My 30's are black .223's are OD and the 6.5 FDE so I can tell the apart at a glance. Something to think about because you may become a stamp collector.

Yes, I'm afraid to get started down the path, who knows when it stops....

5RWill · Sep 10, 2019

Zak Smith said:
I would just add that the Ultra series is a lot more durable than what is reflected by suggestions for different "uses" online. Without legitimate full auto firing rates, it is almost impossible to overheat them.

This so much this. Full auto rated is irrelevant if the user isn't dumping mags. What did the 30CB9 last on a M240B Zak 300rds straight IIRC? Wish my SiCo suppressors were an Ultra 7 and Ultra 5 to complement my 30CB9.

I'd add if you absolutely had to have lightweight and "full auto rated" for whatever reason rugged does have the radiant, at 12oz in full config and 9oz in K config but i'm not sure if the adapt module is full auto rated.

Zak Smith · Sep 10, 2019

It was an original 30P, which was a much less robust design than the Ultra, and it took close to 300 rounds on an M60 to explode it. Still not a recommended use with a Ti can. But we've done "sport shooting rate" tests with the Ultras on AR's and it's really hard to actually overheat them with normal aimed fire.

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