The electoral college

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Peterpan said:

I keep hearing stories about doing away with the electoral college. Does everyone realize there are about 3,141 counties in the United States. She devil Clinton won 57 of those counties. Without the electoral college we would have that bitch as president. Liberals bitch about everything they consider against them so of course they want to do away with the college. There is no way we should EVER even consider dismantling the college and let 57 counties run the entire country. This show just how screwed up the major population centers are.

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More important, it shows how smart the framers were.

IMO, its abolishment is equivalent to disenfranchisement and casus belli

Fake news.

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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We aren’t a democracy.... we are a republic....

If you haven’t figured that out yet it’s probably a good thing you don’t vote

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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If you think your vote doesnt count you are too dumb for voting.

Please stay home.

3/4 of the States approval required to change. Not gonna happen.

Maser said:

I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count.


Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election.

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I think you just answered why only the ignorant and communists want to get rid of the electoral college.

Line 1, "I didn't vote because of bad electoral college not making my vote count as much as I think it should"
Line 2, "Actually even if I got what I wanted, I couldn't have been bothered to vote"


Trump was not perfect, but I wouldn't say he is the lesser of two evils, rather he was a flawed human just like most, but one that wanted to at least try his best for the country.

The other was a deeply evil person who wanted to drag the country down further and destroy it while enriching themselves.

When it comes down to it, demanding that you will only choose if one of the choices is perfect, wonderful and exactly what you think you want, is the childish behavior. Because in real life that doesn't happen. Just about every choice you will make in life comes down to a set of things where they are probably not all perfect but each has the pros and cons. Being mature and intelligent is when you can look at the choices honestly & decide which is the closest to what you want or the least bad without stomping your feet and having a little hissy fit and then just going along with letting the Communists decide for you.

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking train wreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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I have friends who have this same mentality they always say the republicans are just as bad as the democrats they are one in the same it doesn't matter who you vote for you are just voting for the lesser of two evils. My answer to them is this.......Ok yea I agree most republicans are almost just as big as POS as democrats, but I relate voting/saving this country to trying to put out a forest fire. If I am trying to keep my forest that is on fire from burning down to the ground I am not going to throw gas on it (voting for most democrats) I am going to throw water on it (voting for most republicans) maybe its all going to burn down in the end, but at least I can say I tried to stop it.

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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Do you not understand the point of the college?

Who are you guys shitting on, did a post vanish?

NM, it's that idiot Maser. I have him on ignore but now I see his retardation since he was quoted.

If you do not understand why we are a Republic and not a democracy, then public school has accomplished one of its tasks.

A Republic values the INDIVIDUAL. Where as a democracy is mob rules.

In a Republic, an individuals property is safe and protected by law.

In a Democracy, simple majority, the mob can simply vote away your property.

Simple as that.

308pirate said:

Who are you guys shitting on, did a post vanish?

NM, it's that idiot Maser. I have him on ignore but now I see his retardation since he was quoted.

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Nice try, but you obviously don't have me on ignore because the ignore function not only hides posts/threads made by said ignored member, but it also blocks when other members quote them. I must say the ignore function works so much better here than at the old site.

If voting mattered it would be illegal......

Peterpan said:

In my opinion if the electoral college was to be done away with it would be taxation without representation for me here in Kansas. The major population centers would have free run if we were a democracy. The only thing I see wrong with our republic setup is the fact that the electorates do not have to vote in the same way the people did in their state when they cast the electoral vote. They can go rouge and negate the votes of the people they are there representing. The next electorate to do this should be drawn and quartered. And if you think she devil Clinton and trump are the same you are a delusional narcissist. You need to ask the families of the fallen men of benghazi what they think as they have skin in the game. I guess what I'm trying to say in short is that you are an ignorant fool!

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They blatantly stated it after the last election, asking in the media "Why does Wyoming get any electoral votes with such a small population?"

Sure they want to rape the resources of flyover country and they don't want you to have a voice while they do it.

but you are an idiot so who cares.

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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pmclaine said:

They blatantly stated it after the last election, asking in the media "Why does Wyoming get any electoral votes with such a small population?"

Sure they want to rape the resources of flyover country and they don't want you to have a voice while they do it.

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This may sound ridiculous but their ideal country looks a lot like the hunger games.

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pmclaine said:

They blatantly stated it after the last election, asking in the media "Why does Wyoming get any electoral votes with such a small population?"

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Those are killing words.

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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I have never commented on any of your posts....however, let me know when you decide to offer something of value to the discussion outside of a demonstration of your shoe size IQ.

Maser said:

As I said before in another thread, I'm all for removing the Electoral College so that votes actually count and more people (such as myself) would actually get out and vote because we know our votes would count. However, that brings a new problem to the table with the actually voter's choice. This past election was loaded with folks who hate Trump, but voted for him because he was "lesser of the two evils". Seriously, that's like fucking 3rd grader mentality who vote against the fat kid while playing kickball at recess because you don't want them on your team. When you vote, you're suppose to vote for the person you personally feel will do the best job. Not deliberately for someone you don't even like or believe in simply because they are not the other candidate. Personally, if voting actually mattered and the Electoral College was gone, I still wouldn't have voted in this past election. As a Libertarian I guess I should have done research on Gary Johnson at least, but in all honesty this past election was such a fucking trainwreck it just didn't matter to me other than watching the debates with Clinton and Trump. Two evil bitches on the same stage having a shit slinging contest. Definitely beer and popcorn entertainment!

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You may be the first person to earn ignore based on stupidity.

We have two houses of Congress because the framers recognized the danger in letting population dictate all representation. So the House is by population but the Senate allows equal weight to each state....and guess which one is the HIGHER of the two houses??

If we abolished the Electoral College, if you didn't live in one of the 10 largest cities you might as well stay home come voting day. It would be like when I was in Michigan, 90% of the state was conservative and Republican but Detroit (before it lost 2/3 of its population) dictated every statewide election.

If I had my way, elections for state offices would be run in a similar way with every county getting ONE electoral vote based on how the majority of voters in that county went.

That would destroy Democrats at the state level pretty much overnight.

We have the electoral college because the founding fathers new that more than half of the voters think the chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

308pirate said:

If I had my way, elections for state offices would be run in a similar way with every county getting ONE electoral vote based on how the majority of voters in that county went.
That would destroy Democrats at the state level pretty much overnight.

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That may be the only way you can keep the forces of evil at bay a bit longer.
We should probably expand that even further for the electoral college votes, make each of county in the state have just 1 vote (and don't let them make new counties up), and then assign the electoral college votes based to that.

DavidK said:

We have the electoral college because the founding fathers new that more than half of the voters think the chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

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I understand where you're going with that, but it's inaccurate in a way that is a bit insulting to the people at the time. At the time the Constitution was written a large portion of the populace was in remote outlying areas, and things like TV, radio, and the internet were 100+ years in the future. People didn't have access to information to educate themselves and make an intelligent choice as to which way to vote, so a system was created where they chose electors to go, get that information, and make a choice on their behalf.

This is a bit different than them being stupid. But yes, today, I agree, we are in a situation where many people are ignorant enough to think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Fortunately they are heavily concentrated in 57 counties, so with the help of the electoral college, we have some hope.

W54/XM-388 said:

That may be the only way you can keep the forces of evil at bay a bit longer.
We should probably expand that even further for the electoral college votes, make each of county in the state have just 1 vote (and don't let them make new counties up), and then assign the electoral college votes based to that.

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If I understand correctly, the federal ticket with the most county wins in a state gets that state's electoral votes? I like it.

While we're at it lets go back to having federal senators elected by state legislatures.

spaniel said:

I understand where you're going with that, but it's inaccurate in a way that is a bit insulting to the people at the time. At the time the Constitution was written a large portion of the populace was in remote outlying areas, and things like TV, radio, and the internet were 100+ years in the future. People didn't have access to information to educate themselves and make an intelligent choice as to which way to vote, so a system was created where they chose electors to go, get that information, and make a choice on their behalf.

This is a bit different than them being stupid. But yes, today, I agree, we are in a situation where many people are ignorant enough to think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Fortunately they are heavily concentrated in 57 counties, so with the help of the electoral college, we have some hope.

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Actually back then the people tried their best to be as informed as possible. I can't find the quote right this moment, but one of the old time writers talked about how even in the little frontier sod huts, you'd find a newspaper on the table as people wanted to know and understand what was happening.

In my opinion, it was put in as another rock in the road to mob rule and mobocracy just like the original senate setup was.
It was specifically done so that if the mob elected Hitler to be president, hopefully enough of the respected citizens that were the delegates to the electoral college would be willing to sacrifice their political careers for good to stop them. So that we wouldn't have to fall back to the Second Amendment.

308pirate said:

If I understand correctly, the federal ticket with the most county wins in a state gets that state's electoral votes?.

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I'm pretty sure that is not the way it works in California or New York for sure, their electoral college votes are always solidly Communist, but the vote by county map shows mostly freedom loving except in the big stinkholes which keep the states in Communist servitude.

spaniel said:

I understand where you're going with that, but it's inaccurate in a way that is a bit insulting to the people at the time. At the time the Constitution was written a large portion of the populace was in remote outlying areas, and things like TV, radio, and the internet were 100+ years in the future. People didn't have access to information to educate themselves and make an intelligent choice as to which way to vote, so a system was created where they chose electors to go, get that information, and make a choice on their behalf.

This is a bit different than them being stupid. But yes, today, I agree, we are in a situation where many people are ignorant enough to think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Fortunately they are heavily concentrated in 57 counties, so with the help of the electoral college, we have some hope.

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I understand what YOU are saying, but PST... I dont think their was chocolate milk back then Read between the lines....

DavidK said:

I understand what YOU are saying, but PST... I dont think their was chocolate milk back then Read between the lines....

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If you can't explain yourself or simply write coherent English, I don't need you anymore either. I'm not the grammar police but it speaks to your intellect as well.

W54/XM-388 said:

Actually back then the people tried their best to be as informed as possible. I can't find the quote right this moment, but one of the old time writers talked about how even in the little frontier sod huts, you'd find a newspaper on the table as people wanted to know and understand what was happening.

In my opinion, it was put in as another rock in the road to mob rule and mobocracy just like the original senate setup was.
It was specifically done so that if the mob elected Hitler to be president, hopefully enough of the respected citizens that were the delegates to the electoral college would be willing to sacrifice their political careers for good to stop them. So that we wouldn't have to fall back to the Second Amendment.

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Electoral college was xactly to square the difference between rural agrarian society vs city.

Even than they realized Boston, Philly and NY City were shitholes that should not determine the fate of all.

pmclaine said:

Electoral college was xactly to square the difference between rural agrarian society vs city.
Even than they realized Boston, Philly and NY City were shitholes that should not determine the fate of all.

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Two part deal.
As you mention, part 1 exactly.

Part 2 because under the constitution it's not an automatic get xxx votes allotted from the states.. win.
The electors still actually have to cast a ballot for the winning party. That there is a second circuit breaker there. It has never been used in history, (probably because we'd be lucky to avoid a civil war if they ever did), but it remains.

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crowe938 said:

They are still in production, but there is a minimum quantity per order from SureFire. Hence why a lot of places do not carry them (OTB suppressors just aren't as popular). I am actually in the market for one, but about to move to a different state so waiting to get established in my new residence first.

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spaniel said:

If you can't explain yourself or simply write coherent English, I don't need you anymore either. I'm not the grammar police but it speaks to your intellect as well.

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Do you really think I give a flying fuck what you think or need? Lololol

W54/XM-388 said:

Two part deal.
As you mention, part 1 exactly.

Part 2 because under the constitution it's not an automatic get xxx votes allotted from the states.. win.
The electors still actually have to cast a ballot for the winning party. That there is a second circuit breaker there. It has never been used in history, (probably because we'd be lucky to avoid a civil war if they ever did), but it remains.

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There was one brokered convention. Forget who got in. Peirce or somebody that ended up doing nothing.

Of course you remember the media promoting similar in 2016

pmclaine said:

Of course you remember the media promoting similar in 2016

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Communists never like to play fair.
If they win the election when the popular vote is against them, they always trumpet how it's the constitution and the rule of law and we should all obey it. Strangely enough when that happens usually the conservatives kind of just live with it, and work hard to try to win the next time.

If the communists loose the election then there is tons of talk about how we need to change the system and how we need to make every vote count and how unfair the system is and how they need to get the electors to fix things by overturning the election to favour them...

Kind of like that whole thing in the NE with flipping back and forth the laws on appointing an interim senator vs. having an election depending on who the Communists had in the governor's mansion.

Just like we should obey any laws they slither in about our guns.
But laws about like drugs, immigration, crime, smuggling, harassing elected officials, hate crime, mob rule, rioting, vandalism... well it's against their "human rights" for us to expect us to have them follow the laws on the books & if they don't like them to get them changed rather than breaking them.

Kind of sucks to be on the only team playing by the rule book in the whole league.

Don’t Tread On Me!

I voted for Trump as the lesser evil. Turns out I was wrong. He’s not evil at all and he’s made one hell of a President.

I don’t have to like or believe in a politician as long as their focus is on fulfilling their only purpose, protecting my liberty. I will always vote for the one who is more likely to do this, and against any that do otherwise.