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    The Quiet Professional

    Where has the quiet professional gone? As I sit here, reading posts by various persons, extorting exclamations of “this is the way is how it’s done” in broad, absolute and empirical statements, I ask myself “Where has the quiet professional gone?” As people state “look at me!”, “look what I’ve done!” and then berate those that think there are other ways to accomplish the same task, again I ask myself, “Where has the quiet professional gone?”.

    The quiet professional; the one with the quiet confidence in what they do, that feels no need to draw attention themselves and has no desire to push their beliefs on someone, but rather offers up their thoughts on a matter, when asked. The one, that when he speaks, belies years of experience in brief, succinct, non-self-aggrandizing sentences. That guy. The one that has that knowing “look” in their eyes, that quiet confidence in their walk, that is immediately recognized by other (quiet) professionals. The one that is resilient, thoughtful, courageous and unrelenting upon his enemy; but takes no joy in extolling on their own impressive achievements to others. Where has that gone? That humility. That grace. The stuff that commands respect without saying a single f’ing word.

    Perhaps it is the 15+ years of war and conflict that has culled these warriors from within our ranks. Perhaps social media has changed the paradigm, where the loudest voice, screaming of self-achievement, is who is now rewarded…leaving the quiet professional orphaned and lost in obscurity. Perhaps. Or maybe our culture has changed, in that those quiet professionals are just no longer as plentiful as before. But it is our loss; a loss immeasurable in its depths and breadth.
    When I entered the military (USMC) at the bright eyed age of 17, the Berlin wall still stood, and Reagan was still the President. Upon entering the FMF, and promptly being deployed 3 weeks later, I remember being surrounded by many quiet professionals. Ones that lead by example, not words. Who’s resilience to hardship, pain and fear was demonstrated in what they did, and how they did it, for all to see…without a word of self worship. When working with members of Force Recon and SEAL Team 2, the environment was one full of professional warriors, intensely focused on the next mission. For sure, there was banter and shit talking, but it was generally in good nature and was not deprecating of another’s skills as a warrior. Generally it was more in line with some innocuous thing like their choice of clothing, a slutty girl friend or someone’s (excessive) love of porn. LOL! I still chuckle at some of the joking and ribbing that went on… But it was all business when the orders came down. When things were being prep’ed, there was a quiet air of professionalism and everyone going about their business, wiring their shit tight, going over last minute intel, reviewing ingress/egress details, mission goals, etc.

    Down time for these warriors was often filled with an eccentric array of hobbies that were generally more in line with artists, not fearsome warriors. Playing a guitar, drawing or sketching, planning or discussing the next fly fishing trip; things that were a far cry from their main purpose in life of wreaking hate, and unleashing violence upon our adversaries. I remember it reminding me more of the bushido code of the warrior way. The “warrior poet” so-to-speak. I often think it was a matter of balance for most of them. A way to offset one skill (violence and predatory drive), with another, one of creation or appreciation for the beauty of things in our lives. Upon seeing it, I was always reminded of a saying my grandmother had told me as a child, when I was maybe 8 years old or so. When I was reveling in the fantasies and desire of being a Marine and being tested in combat. She (being Chinese, and all of about 4’ 10”) told me when I didn’t want to study or do my chores and would rather be out building forts or playing “war”, she said “We have a saying where we come from. There are three great people in life. The poet, the teacher and the warrior. The power to create, the power to preserve and pass on knowledge, and the power to destroy. If you truly want to be great, you need to become proficient at all three.” What I saw of the “quiet professionals” in my life, exhibited this in spades. Professionals who were students of war, teachers of these skills to the younger members, and artists both in the combative skills, but also in their other hobbies and interests. They were well rounded individuals. Complete, solid and utterly reliable. I often wonder if the issues we see with veteran suicide are because of this; young warriors that have never been taught or had time to mature into that well rounded warrior. The quiet professional that has learned how to balance violence with peace.

    What I see today is a far cry from that. This incessant need for attention, narcissistic actions that are driven by the ego (versus what is good for the team/group), inflation of personal ego for monetary gain, it all seems very prevalent these days. Ego. Vanity. Envy. Greed. Especially in our little community here. I guess when you see some publishing books, others racking up twitter/FB followers to bolster their monetary demands, or becoming spokespersons/representatives of companies and products, it pushes others to do the same, and maybe that’s why we see what we do today(?). I don’t know for sure, but…

    I have to say, it’s pretty sad. Not that people do these things, per se, but that we (as a community) have let it come to this. That we haven’t policed our own ranks. That it has become so common, and acceptable (hell, even desirable). The fact that we have lost that element of “the quiet professional”, and what was once a group of alphas and leaders (That were respected and admired), is now reduced to a bunch of bloviating, arrogant, self-important individuals, massing as a unorganized herd of animals racing to the trough of fame and money, is just pathetic and sad.

    Don’t get me wrong, some quiet professionals still fill our ranks; but they are the exception, not the rule. And that does not bode well for the future of our community.

    Perhaps I’m just getting old, or maybe I’m just complaining/bitching, but I think it’s worth throwing this out for people to think and contemplate on.

    Where has the quiet professional gone?

    Do you even desire to be that “quiet professional”?

    At any rate, it’s taken me a bit to write this down, and try and get the wording correct to reflect my intended point, so I’ll just put it out there…

    Are you a “quiet professional”? Because I think we could use quite a few more in our ranks…
     
    i am of two minds on this.

    first off, anyone active needs to STFU. and anyone who has completed their military obligation needs to keep their yappers shut on how things are done and capabilities. i have more respect for the guys that know their craft and dont run around thumping their chests about it. my experience is, the louder the chest thumper, the bigger the shitbag they were. 25 years after i ETSed, i see guys bragging and saying how they really miss this or that. but when it was action time, i remember a lot of those loudmouths balls would shrink...and fast.

    the other mind about it is.....the military uses veterans pretty fucking hard. and if a person can take what they’ve done and learned, and make a career out of it, so be it. so long as, they adhear to the above; i have no issue with it. but keep in mind....the louder they are, the higher the odds are they were the chaff, and not the wheat.
     
    I think it has always been so, but the advent of social media and the 'look at me' mentality it has fostered has made it easier for the 90 to profess to being part of the 10.


    "Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back."

    Heraclitus
     
    @MarinePMI very good write-up. You get it.

    The general mentality of 'progress' seems to be coinciding with the "hey, look at me" culture. It is far removed from the "Self-Accomplishment" point of the past. The 'everybody gets a ribbon' definitely isn't helping humanity at all. I sum up what we SHOULD be thinking, in four words:

    Be The Better Man
     
    Aj is a full time badass! That’s his only focus! Even when he’s racing his bike, he only thinks of ways of destructing the other racers with napalm and nukes???
     
    Im reminded of a phrase from American Sniper by Chris Kyle (paraphrased) "I wrote this book because if I didn't someone else would, and would probably get details wrong."

    I think thats a lot if what's going on with this instant gratification generation. Some idiots won't let people stay quiet.
     
    A related thought path is the book “The Death of Expertise” by Tom Nichols.

    The quiet professional has really been pushed to the side by the loud mouthed chest beaters. Their capability is not diminished, but the contributions they can make to society are tampered down by the fact that they are the “quiet professional” and tend to let the loud mouths be the loudest voice in the room. It really isn’t worth the time or effort for them to set a subject straight because there are more mouth breathers than there are true “Quiet professionals”.

    The quiet professionals know they’ll be shouted down by the guy who has shot 5 IDPA matches and is now an expert on all things shooting and moving.

    This translates across all subjects.

    It does, however, allow you to separate the wheat from the chaff. It’s easy to spot the mouth breathers who just talk loud...on any subject. The real experts and professionals usually insert fact/experience based knowledge and move on. Makes me think about this quote from Thomas Paine: “THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

    There are a whole mess load of summer soldiers and sunshine patriots. They are the loud mouthed mouth breathers that can only talk to the surface of a topic.

    When people profess to being an expert on a subject, I just ask them for their peer reviewed work.
     
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    PMI, I think your post could as well pertain to Megan Rapinoe of the US Woman's Soccer Team.

    STFU, do your job and let your actions speak for you. Then go to the White House and talk to the President with respect. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, rug muncher. :p

    That said, Go USA women, the best in the world....but damn those Swedes are hot.
     
    Well said MarinePMI. I saw the same thing when I was working as a LEO. Maybe its a lack of character, or there up bringing. I remember my Father telling me when I was a kid. " If you have to talk about how good you are, Your no good. If others talk about you, your on the way" I always know I can improve in what I do every day, and strive to do it.
    Staying humble..
     
    A related thought path is the book “The Death of Expertise” by Tom Nichols.

    The quiet professional has really been pushed to the side by the loud mouthed chest beaters. Their capability is not diminished, but the contributions they can make to society are tampered down by the fact that they are the “quiet professional” and tend to let the loud mouths be the loudest voice in the room. It really isn’t worth the time or effort for them to set a subject straight because there are more mouth breathers than there are true “Quiet professionals”.

    The quiet professionals know they’ll be shouted down by the guy who has shot 5 IDPA matches and is now an expert on all things shooting and moving.

    This translates across all subjects.

    It does, however, allow you to separate the wheat from the chaff. It’s easy to spot the mouth breathers who just talk loud...on any subject. The real experts and professionals usually insert fact/experience based knowledge and move on. Makes me think about this quote from Thomas Paine: “THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

    There are a whole mess load of summer soldiers and sunshine patriots. They are the loud mouthed mouth breathers that can only talk to the surface of a topic.

    When people profess to being an expert on a subject, I just ask them for their peer reviewed work.

    Truth. See that all the time here
     
    i am of two minds on this.

    first off, anyone active needs to STFU. and anyone who has completed their military obligation needs to keep their yappers shut on how things are done and capabilities. i have more respect for the guys that know their craft and dont run around thumping their chests about it. my experience is, the louder the chest thumper, the bigger the shitbag they were. 25 years after i ETSed, i see guys bragging and saying how they really miss this or that. but when it was action time, i remember a lot of those loudmouths balls would shrink...and fast.

    the other mind about it is.....the military uses veterans pretty fucking hard. and if a person can take what they’ve done and learned, and make a career out of it, so be it. so long as, they adhear to the above; i have no issue with it. but keep in mind....the louder they are, the higher the odds are they were the chaff, and not the wheat.
    I'll say this: I did 26 years and when I went, it was very much time for me to go. The service changed so much and honestly it was change I either could not keep up with, could not tolerate or just simply disagreed with. So it was time for me to go. Now I can relate some of my experiences, but am careful, or try to be, that my experience may no longer be relevant.
    I feel that way as I tried to pick my brother's brain about his experience (macv-sog in 'nam, in the highlands with 'yards), and found his point of view on different things to be hopelessly outdated. In other words, the opinions he held were valid in his time, but didn't evolve or keep up with the times as they changed.

    So I try to keep up with the times as a result, but am mindful that I may not be all that fresh. So I read much and try to post only if I feel I have something useful (or appropriately snarky) to add to the conversation.
     
    ...maybe it's just that times are a changing? Maybe shit that was cool or indicated character or integrity 50 years ago is no longer relevant or proper in this century?

    Lots of shit has changed and is never coming back...jobs that were 30 years and a gold watch and pension. Integrity with people who were in charge like Patton and Eisenhower and....

    The world is not like 1956 any more and never will be again. It ruffles my feathers every day as a working 63 YO but it's a different world now for better or worse and the old days ain't coming back. Everyone needs their moments of fame and glory now as their very survival depends on it. Walking tall, carrying a big stick and talking softly, doing the "right thing" no matter what is apparently for chumps now.

    Hate the game - don't hate the players. Gaad Help US. Lots of us old timers are too tired to go on and hopelessly outdated but we don't yet have the resources to get out of the way. So we have to keep plugging and shaking our heads until we can just get out of the way of The New Way.

    VooDoo
     
    Yeah sure is a different world to even just 10 years ago. hard to get a word out of WW2 Vets, slightly less so Viet/Korea Vets.
    These days it seems some folks want to write a book or get recognition as soon as they dump someone. Umm, its your job...

    For a few of us, our best work is never seen or heard of after the fact; hopefully just the results of 'positive environmental shaping'.
    Music and related tasks like sound engineering have been a good outlet/counterweight for other work in my life. To create rather
    than destroy can be very satisfying.
     
    I wrangle turds for a living. I would brag more, but I've noticed folks don't respond well to bragging.
    "I'm the best damn turd wrangler in North Cacalacky! Ain't nobody can rassle a turd like me boy! Been doin that shit nigh on 32 years, yup, I know my shit!"

    So now at parties, when folks ask me what I do, I just say, "I'm a logger."
    "Oh my that's interesting! What's that like?"

    "I don't like to talk about it."
     
    The Quiet Professional

    Where has the quiet professional gone? As I sit here, reading posts by various persons, extorting exclamations of “this is the way is how it’s done” in broad, absolute and empirical statements, I ask myself “Where has the quiet professional gone?” As people state “look at me!”, “look what I’ve done!” and then berate those that think there are other ways to accomplish the same task, again I ask myself, “Where has the quiet professional gone?”.

    The quiet professional; the one with the quiet confidence in what they do, that feels no need to draw attention themselves and has no desire to push their beliefs on someone, but rather offers up their thoughts on a matter, when asked. The one, that when he speaks, belies years of experience in brief, succinct, non-self-aggrandizing sentences. That guy. The one that has that knowing “look” in their eyes, that quiet confidence in their walk, that is immediately recognized by other (quiet) professionals. The one that is resilient, thoughtful, courageous and unrelenting upon his enemy; but takes no joy in extolling on their own impressive achievements to others. Where has that gone? That humility. That grace. The stuff that commands respect without saying a single f’ing word.

    Perhaps it is the 15+ years of war and conflict that has culled these warriors from within our ranks. Perhaps social media has changed the paradigm, where the loudest voice, screaming of self-achievement, is who is now rewarded…leaving the quiet professional orphaned and lost in obscurity. Perhaps. Or maybe our culture has changed, in that those quiet professionals are just no longer as plentiful as before. But it is our loss; a loss immeasurable in its depths and breadth.
    When I entered the military (USMC) at the bright eyed age of 17, the Berlin wall still stood, and Reagan was still the President. Upon entering the FMF, and promptly being deployed 3 weeks later, I remember being surrounded by many quiet professionals. Ones that lead by example, not words. Who’s resilience to hardship, pain and fear was demonstrated in what they did, and how they did it, for all to see…without a word of self worship. When working with members of Force Recon and SEAL Team 2, the environment was one full of professional warriors, intensely focused on the next mission. For sure, there was banter and shit talking, but it was generally in good nature and was not deprecating of another’s skills as a warrior. Generally it was more in line with some innocuous thing like their choice of clothing, a slutty girl friend or someone’s (excessive) love of porn. LOL! I still chuckle at some of the joking and ribbing that went on… But it was all business when the orders came down. When things were being prep’ed, there was a quiet air of professionalism and everyone going about their business, wiring their shit tight, going over last minute intel, reviewing ingress/egress details, mission goals, etc.

    Down time for these warriors was often filled with an eccentric array of hobbies that were generally more in line with artists, not fearsome warriors. Playing a guitar, drawing or sketching, planning or discussing the next fly fishing trip; things that were a far cry from their main purpose in life of wreaking hate, and unleashing violence upon our adversaries. I remember it reminding me more of the bushido code of the warrior way. The “warrior poet” so-to-speak. I often think it was a matter of balance for most of them. A way to offset one skill (violence and predatory drive), with another, one of creation or appreciation for the beauty of things in our lives. Upon seeing it, I was always reminded of a saying my grandmother had told me as a child, when I was maybe 8 years old or so. When I was reveling in the fantasies and desire of being a Marine and being tested in combat. She (being Chinese, and all of about 4’ 10”) told me when I didn’t want to study or do my chores and would rather be out building forts or playing “war”, she said “We have a saying where we come from. There are three great people in life. The poet, the teacher and the warrior. The power to create, the power to preserve and pass on knowledge, and the power to destroy. If you truly want to be great, you need to become proficient at all three.” What I saw of the “quiet professionals” in my life, exhibited this in spades. Professionals who were students of war, teachers of these skills to the younger members, and artists both in the combative skills, but also in their other hobbies and interests. They were well rounded individuals. Complete, solid and utterly reliable. I often wonder if the issues we see with veteran suicide are because of this; young warriors that have never been taught or had time to mature into that well rounded warrior. The quiet professional that has learned how to balance violence with peace.

    What I see today is a far cry from that. This incessant need for attention, narcissistic actions that are driven by the ego (versus what is good for the team/group), inflation of personal ego for monetary gain, it all seems very prevalent these days. Ego. Vanity. Envy. Greed. Especially in our little community here. I guess when you see some publishing books, others racking up twitter/FB followers to bolster their monetary demands, or becoming spokespersons/representatives of companies and products, it pushes others to do the same, and maybe that’s why we see what we do today(?). I don’t know for sure, but…

    I have to say, it’s pretty sad. Not that people do these things, per se, but that we (as a community) have let it come to this. That we haven’t policed our own ranks. That it has become so common, and acceptable (hell, even desirable). The fact that we have lost that element of “the quiet professional”, and what was once a group of alphas and leaders (That were respected and admired), is now reduced to a bunch of bloviating, arrogant, self-important individuals, massing as a unorganized herd of animals racing to the trough of fame and money, is just pathetic and sad.

    Don’t get me wrong, some quiet professionals still fill our ranks; but they are the exception, not the rule. And that does not bode well for the future of our community.

    Perhaps I’m just getting old, or maybe I’m just complaining/bitching, but I think it’s worth throwing this out for people to think and contemplate on.

    Where has the quiet professional gone?

    Do you even desire to be that “quiet professional”?

    At any rate, it’s taken me a bit to write this down, and try and get the wording correct to reflect my intended point, so I’ll just put it out there…

    Are you a “quiet professional”? Because I think we could use quite a few more in our ranks…

    Wow. That was a truly eloquent post my man. To put your mind at ease, the quiet professionals are still out there and have been all along. I just think you’ve hit a point of enlightenment, if you will, at your age. You see the dangers of such behavior. Unfortunately, social media and the media in general have fostered such behavior and have also made it somewhat of a lucrative biz. Everyone wants a piece of the pie, no matter the costs, and are simply going after it but it does have very real societal consequences. Or, did I completely misread your intent here?

    i am of two minds on this.

    first off, anyone active needs to STFU. and anyone who has completed their military obligation needs to keep their yappers shut on how things are done and capabilities. i have more respect for the guys that know their craft and dont run around thumping their chests about it. my experience is, the louder the chest thumper, the bigger the shitbag they were. 25 years after i ETSed, i see guys bragging and saying how they really miss this or that. but when it was action time, i remember a lot of those loudmouths balls would shrink...and fast.

    the other mind about it is.....the military uses veterans pretty fucking hard. and if a person can take what they’ve done and learned, and make a career out of it, so be it. so long as, they adhear to the above; i have no issue with it. but keep in mind....the louder they are, the higher the odds are they were the chaff, and not the wheat.

    Just curious, what’s the qualms about being able to pass on knowledge? Like seriously? Why should trusted people not be allowed to gain some knowledge from those in the know? Or am I completely misreading what you are laying down?

    I think it has always been so, but the advent of social media and the 'look at me' mentality it has fostered has made it easier for the 90 to profess to being part of the 10.


    "Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back."

    Heraclitus

    Bingo.?
     
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    That was a well thought out and written post.

    Agreed!

    Well said MarinePMI. I saw the same thing when I was working as a LEO. Maybe its a lack of character, or there up bringing. I remember my Father telling me when I was a kid. " If you have to talk about how good you are, Your no good. If others talk about you, your on the way" I always know I can improve in what I do every day, and strive to do it.
    Staying humble..

    What if you neither talk about yourself nor have others talk about you? What does that make you? Haha.

    Yeah sure is a different world to even just 10 years ago. hard to get a word out of WW2 Vets, slightly less so Viet/Korea Vets.
    These days it seems some folks want to write a book or get recognition as soon as they dump someone. Umm, its your job...

    For a few of us, our best work is never seen or heard of after the fact; hopefully just the results of 'positive environmental shaping'.
    Music and related tasks like sound engineering have been a good outlet/counterweight for other work in my life. To create rather
    than destroy can be very satisfying.

    Truth!
     
    I guess it's the times. What is valued today isn't what was valued yesterday. Unfortunately, value is now placed on the worst attributes one could embrace --loud, brash, not necessarily intelligent but loud and obnoxious enough to silence those who are, etc.

    They're EVERYWHERE!!

    I don't know if I'm a "quiet professional" or not... Maybe I used to be when there was something to be professional about. I do know I grow weary fast when confronted with people that like to hear themselves and those that argue to the mat the most mundane ideas --or who claim to be experts because they watched a few youtube videos about a subject. God the list goes on.

    I don't know about the military today, other than going on post to go shopping or some shit, but 20 years ago I recall quiet professionalism being something you worked towards. It was valued. Fuck, it was COOL. Some of those guys have FB pages, I don't get involved in that shit but I do have a half ass acct. I use to keep track of people. Anyway, the loudmouths back then are still loudmouths today and the quiet ones then are still for the most part quiet today, so maybe there's that...
     
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    I believe it has to do with social media and sites like this.
    In the faceless mediums many users type and send faster than they should, because there are no consequences.
    That has brought on the need to “qualify” yourself to be taken seriously;
    “Listen troll I spent 10 years in (name country)...don’t tell me...”
    If that was a face to face conversation as it was for the last millennia, it would be totally different.
    Not being cold but not enough people have died in the last 18 years.
    7000 troops
    7-8000 contractors
    While one drop of American blood is too much it pales in comparison to previous conflicts.
    Every other “serious conflict” we were on the brink of loosing at a certain point. In the WOT there are battles/skirmishes but as a whole there is or was no debate of the outcome.
    One video i have seen in particular sums it all up
    Guys laying down fire with a 240 prone.
    Consistently pauses laying down fire because the GoPro keeps flopping over.
    it’s not taking pics of him in a firefight
    Makes me fucking sick.
    You might have guys getting tore up and you have time to play cameraman.
    If there was a human wave attack or Vc that were inside your lines your mind might be in a different place.

    That and society has gone to shit the last 25 years..
     
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    It is interesting reading all the responses. Very interesting.

    I'd be interested to hear (perhaps, ironically, in a podcast) what @Lowlight 's perspective on this might be, as he was AD about the same time as I, and I'm sure has seen this shift himself.
     
    There have been zero conflicts since ww2 that we intended to win. The WOT was designed and fought by the MIC and the generals who all work in the MIC, nothing more or less once we routed the taliban from Afghanistan.

    I dont think its a go pro problem, you dont see shit tons of vids on the net even today from the millions that went to the ME. Only reefs really. I got two after action videos that my sons unit had them do after two very deadly incidents where theyy lost 18 in one shot and half their plot leaders in another. The unit madd them take these interviews. ROEs cause both incidents, he came through okay but goddam sick sick DC and the MIC. We need a draft.

    I dont see people bragging too much on this site, its more mature than most with being fudderly. Except for the Cop section where they run to their safe place.

    I believe it has to do with social media and sites like this.
    In the faceless mediums many users type and send faster than they should, because there are no consequences.
    That has brought on the need to “qualify” yourself to be taken seriously;
    “Listen troll I spent 10 years in (name country)...don’t tell me...”
    If that was a face to face conversation as it was for the last millennia, it would be totally different.
    Not being cold but not enough people have died in the last 18 years.
    7000 troops
    7-8000 contractors
    While one drop of American blood is too much it pales in comparison to previous conflicts.
    Every other “serious conflict” we were on the brink of loosing at a certain point. In the WOT there are battles/skirmishes but as a whole there is or was no debate of the outcome.
    One video i have seen in particular sums it all up
    Guys laying down fire with a 240 prone.
    Consistently pauses laying down fire because the GoPro keeps flopping over.
    it’s not taking pics of him in a firefight
    Makes me fucking sick.
    You might have guys getting tore up and you have time to play cameraman.
    If there was a human wave attack or Vc that were inside your lines your mind might be in a different place.

    That and society has gone to shit the last 25 years..
     
    I’d be interested in @Lowlight interviewing Don Shipley about this subject

    It is interesting reading all the responses. Very interesting.

    I'd be interested to hear (perhaps, ironically, in a podcast) what @Lowlight 's perspective on this might be, as he was AD about the same time as I, and I'm sure has seen this shift himself.
     
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    Agreed. @Terry Cross 's thoughts would be welcomed as well. Especially since my impression when meeting him, was that of him being one of those quiet professionals.
     
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    I guess my way of thinking is, if’n ya want the knowlege, go earn it.

    Now i will tell you, i have taught some people a few things who needed it. Like the mother who’s 3 daughters were murdered by her ex husband/kid’s biological father. And i have, and continue to, teach people guns and shooting. Mainly though, it is through hunter’s safety course. I have also met on the range with people one on one to teach them firearms marksmanship and safe use. For the most part though, it stays in that context.

    What’s the difference? First off, i aint making youtube videos seeking fame or status from it. Second, i aint trading on that to make money. Keenau Reeves....ya want to know how to do tactical shit? Groovy. Do like Pat Tillman and go learn actual/factual. if he did, and had to deal with the real world rammifications/wear and tear on his body and soul, he wouldnt be making movies glorifying wanton killing.

    But what do i know?
     
    Hey, not hating on the sew-ers... I love tactical nylon and wish I could sew some up myself, even tried it out but unfortunately sucked at it!
     
    Sounds like you need to stick with the air soft tactical needles @TheGerman.

    Good write up @MarinePMI

    And to everyone who said social media drives the behavior, a big ole +1000. Even POTUS employs the strategy. Leadership, hmmm...
     
    The Quiet Professional

    Where has the quiet professional gone? As I sit here, reading posts by various persons, extorting exclamations of “this is the way is how it’s done” in broad, absolute and empirical statements, I ask myself “Where has the quiet professional gone?” As people state “look at me!”, “look what I’ve done!” and then berate those that think there are other ways to accomplish the same task, again I ask myself, “Where has the quiet professional gone?”.

    The quiet professional; the one with the quiet confidence in what they do, that feels no need to draw attention themselves and has no desire to push their beliefs on someone, but rather offers up their thoughts on a matter, when asked. The one, that when he speaks, belies years of experience in brief, succinct, non-self-aggrandizing sentences. That guy. The one that has that knowing “look” in their eyes, that quiet confidence in their walk, that is immediately recognized by other (quiet) professionals. The one that is resilient, thoughtful, courageous and unrelenting upon his enemy; but takes no joy in extolling on their own impressive achievements to others. Where has that gone? That humility. That grace. The stuff that commands respect without saying a single f’ing word.

    Perhaps it is the 15+ years of war and conflict that has culled these warriors from within our ranks. Perhaps social media has changed the paradigm, where the loudest voice, screaming of self-achievement, is who is now rewarded…leaving the quiet professional orphaned and lost in obscurity. Perhaps. Or maybe our culture has changed, in that those quiet professionals are just no longer as plentiful as before. But it is our loss; a loss immeasurable in its depths and breadth.
    When I entered the military (USMC) at the bright eyed age of 17, the Berlin wall still stood, and Reagan was still the President. Upon entering the FMF, and promptly being deployed 3 weeks later, I remember being surrounded by many quiet professionals. Ones that lead by example, not words. Who’s resilience to hardship, pain and fear was demonstrated in what they did, and how they did it, for all to see…without a word of self worship. When working with members of Force Recon and SEAL Team 2, the environment was one full of professional warriors, intensely focused on the next mission. For sure, there was banter and shit talking, but it was generally in good nature and was not deprecating of another’s skills as a warrior. Generally it was more in line with some innocuous thing like their choice of clothing, a slutty girl friend or someone’s (excessive) love of porn. LOL! I still chuckle at some of the joking and ribbing that went on… But it was all business when the orders came down. When things were being prep’ed, there was a quiet air of professionalism and everyone going about their business, wiring their shit tight, going over last minute intel, reviewing ingress/egress details, mission goals, etc.

    Down time for these warriors was often filled with an eccentric array of hobbies that were generally more in line with artists, not fearsome warriors. Playing a guitar, drawing or sketching, planning or discussing the next fly fishing trip; things that were a far cry from their main purpose in life of wreaking hate, and unleashing violence upon our adversaries. I remember it reminding me more of the bushido code of the warrior way. The “warrior poet” so-to-speak. I often think it was a matter of balance for most of them. A way to offset one skill (violence and predatory drive), with another, one of creation or appreciation for the beauty of things in our lives. Upon seeing it, I was always reminded of a saying my grandmother had told me as a child, when I was maybe 8 years old or so. When I was reveling in the fantasies and desire of being a Marine and being tested in combat. She (being Chinese, and all of about 4’ 10”) told me when I didn’t want to study or do my chores and would rather be out building forts or playing “war”, she said “We have a saying where we come from. There are three great people in life. The poet, the teacher and the warrior. The power to create, the power to preserve and pass on knowledge, and the power to destroy. If you truly want to be great, you need to become proficient at all three.” What I saw of the “quiet professionals” in my life, exhibited this in spades. Professionals who were students of war, teachers of these skills to the younger members, and artists both in the combative skills, but also in their other hobbies and interests. They were well rounded individuals. Complete, solid and utterly reliable. I often wonder if the issues we see with veteran suicide are because of this; young warriors that have never been taught or had time to mature into that well rounded warrior. The quiet professional that has learned how to balance violence with peace.

    What I see today is a far cry from that. This incessant need for attention, narcissistic actions that are driven by the ego (versus what is good for the team/group), inflation of personal ego for monetary gain, it all seems very prevalent these days. Ego. Vanity. Envy. Greed. Especially in our little community here. I guess when you see some publishing books, others racking up twitter/FB followers to bolster their monetary demands, or becoming spokespersons/representatives of companies and products, it pushes others to do the same, and maybe that’s why we see what we do today(?). I don’t know for sure, but…

    I have to say, it’s pretty sad. Not that people do these things, per se, but that we (as a community) have let it come to this. That we haven’t policed our own ranks. That it has become so common, and acceptable (hell, even desirable). The fact that we have lost that element of “the quiet professional”, and what was once a group of alphas and leaders (That were respected and admired), is now reduced to a bunch of bloviating, arrogant, self-important individuals, massing as a unorganized herd of animals racing to the trough of fame and money, is just pathetic and sad.

    Don’t get me wrong, some quiet professionals still fill our ranks; but they are the exception, not the rule. And that does not bode well for the future of our community.

    Perhaps I’m just getting old, or maybe I’m just complaining/bitching, but I think it’s worth throwing this out for people to think and contemplate on.

    Where has the quiet professional gone?

    Do you even desire to be that “quiet professional”?

    At any rate, it’s taken me a bit to write this down, and try and get the wording correct to reflect my intended point, so I’ll just put it out there…

    Are you a “quiet professional”? Because I think we could use quite a few more in our ranks…


    Your Grandmother weeps with joy because you have become the person she had hoped you to become.
     
    I have met thousands of people that have served. It's amazing that I have yet to meet any cooks, administration, supply or other support types not even a truck driver.
    Crazy isn't it?
    BTW. 6078 before they stripped it. If it wasn't for me the avionics team would not have been able to fix those airplane gadgets in a well heated/cooled facility.
     
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    I work in the plumbing and pipe fitting industry I always remember the guys that talked/bragged about how great they were their work looked like shit and those were the ones that usually other people had to go behind to fix their shit. The guys that were/are good they seldom talk about it because their work speaks for them they don't have to.
     
    NDA ... I'm not an attorney thank God but they are pretty strait forward. Anyone who's mother tongue is English should be able to know the drill