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This Old Rifle.

CaptNemo

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  • Apr 8, 2009
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    I have an opportunity next season to hunt Red Deer ( European cousin to North American Elk ) that get to be in the 500 lbs. range.
    This last season I shot a small one that weighed 220 lbs with a 140 ballistic tip in a 6.5 Creedmoor at 220 yards. The bullet was effective but the animal didn't go down with the first shot. The bullet was recovered under the skin on the offside with a hefty wound channel. The projectile was nicely mushroomed, however the core and the jacket did separate coming to rest within an inch or two of eachother.
    I can solve 95 % this by using a Partition bullet in the 6.5 CM but where's the fun in that ?
    Going after bigger animals generally requires a bit more horsepower downrange, so I dug my 30/06 out of the gun safe.

    Here's where the "Old Rifle" thing kicks in:
    I bought this Remington 78 Sportsman at Kmart in 1991 for the princely sum of $ 239.99 on clearance.
    It had open sights and birch wood stock that was about as pretty as a fence post or a shovel handle.
    The 3-9x Leupold Vari X3 scope, mounts and rings are all the same vintage and are still functional but not optimal.
    I scored a factory Remmy Synthetic stock about 1992 or so that I glass bedded to the action.

    The gun as it sits is capable of sub MOA 3 shot groups with hand loads, even with the optics currently on the rifle.
    It's killed coyotes, deer and armadillos in 3 different states and I carried it a lot of miles in a couple of more states.
    I want to give the old workhorse a bit of an update and add some functionality while i'm at it.

    Here's the plan so far:
    New Trigger - I want a two stage, it's what I like these days
    Picatinny Rail Scope mount -Every other rifle in the safe has one. Makes optic change outs more "Plug & Play"
    Optic- I'll swap something over from another rifle that I'm used to the reticle, more magnification, etc.
    Barrel - I'll thread it for a Form 1 Suppressor or a brake.
    Stock / Chassis - Either a KRG Bravo or the new MDT XRS if the LA 700 inlet hits the streets before next Hunting Season, depending on what feels better.
    Ammo - Handloads with a 180 grain partition or acccubond or interlock type bullet with a little more retained weight.

    Thoughts ?
    Suggestions?
    Input ?

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    I say go for it. Just remember that putting a bullet behind the shoulder regardless of caliber is almost a guarantee that your animal will run. If you want them to drop on the spot then shoot just in front of the shoulder.
     
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    I say go for it. Just remember that putting a bullet behind the shoulder regardless of caliber is almost a guarantee that your animal will run. If you want them to drop on the spot then shoot just in front of the shoulder.

    If I shoot one of the smelly beasts, it's destined to be mounted, and "the taxidermy man gonna have a heart attack when he see that I bring him!" and he doesn't like bullet holes or skinning nicks in the hide
     
    If I shoot one of the smelly beasts, it's destined to be mounted, and "the taxidermy man gonna have a heart attack when he see that I bring him!" and he doesn't like bullet holes or skinning nicks in the hide
    Yeah that isnt a shoulder mount shot. ?
    Shoulder mounts aren’t my thing. The few I mounted, I did a skull mount myself. Here is my son’s first buck and the first skull mount I did.

    When you get your rifle done, post a before and after.

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    My last mule buck was a shot placed behind the shoulder, and ended up splitting the diaphragm in half. Dropped without a step.

    Ended up selling the cape to my taxidermist for $200. For the reason of guys doing quartering shots, neck shots, or suck at skinning. Those guys still like their shoulder mounts, yet the cape is virtually useless.
     
    thinks that the title of the post would make for a neat tv show name , nice rifle by the way .
     
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    thinks that the title of the post would make for a neat tv show name , nice rifle by the way .
    Thank you, this rifle's been a real work horse, she deserves a little sprucing up and an update.

    Trigger suggestions ? Two stage and I prefer that it not cost more than I paid for the rifle...
     
    That 3MOA thing...

    Just for giggles; I'd use some Hoppe's Foaming Bore Cleaner, and do several applications according to instructions.

    A thorough cleaning is my first approach to accuracy in this situation.

    Also; try Hornady Superformance 165 SST, 178 Precision Hunter ammunition for the hunt, and Custom 125gr for practice.

    About threading. Check with your hunting regs; suppressors and hunting may or may not be legal in your area.

    Greg
     
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    I would definitely go with the KRG Bravo and if TriggerTech maybe finally gets with the program now that they have their 2-stage Special and Diamond plastered all over their home page one of those might make a nice option for you if you are willing to give them a try. i like the choices you posted for your sprucing up project. I think you got it nailed, and with the accuracy you are getting on it should be a fine hunting rig; once you need a new barrel the only thing I could think of would be replacing it with a PROOF carbon fiber to lighten the load on those hikes. Maybe even have LRI do some of their Remington magic.
     
    That 3MOA thing...

    Just for giggles; I'd use some Hoppe's Foaming Bore Cleaner, and do several applications according to instructions.

    A thorough cleaning is my first approach to accuracy in this situation.

    Also; try Hornady Superformance 165 SST, 178 Precision Hunter ammunition for the hunt, and Custom 125gr for practice.

    About threading. Check with your hunting regs; suppressors and hunting may or may not be legal in your area.

    Greg

    The rifle will shoot less than 1 MOA with my old handload recipe as it sits.
    I cleaned the bore last weekend and it all looked copacetic on the borescope.

    What the game wardens don’t hear won’t hurt them... lol

    ETA: Hunting with a suppressor has been legal in the state of Alabama since 2014.
    Please check the applicable Hunting Regulations for the area you will be hunting.
     
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    I also have a 78 Sportsman. Mine was a 243 and an absolute hammer.
    Back in 2000, I had Steve Kosranich true it and rebarrel it into a 6BR.
    It's still a hammer, but doesn't look anything like it used to.

    If you really are going to replace the trigger, I'd be interested in the original one you take out of it.
     
    I would definitely go with the KRG Bravo and if TriggerTech maybe finally gets with the program now that they have their 2-stage Special and Diamond plastered all over their home page one of those might make a nice option for you if you are willing to give them a try. i like the choices you posted for your sprucing up project. I think you got it nailed, and with the accuracy you are getting on it should be a fine hunting rig; once you need a new barrel the only thing I could think of would be replacing it with a PROOF carbon fiber to lighten the load on those hikes. Maybe even have LRI do some of their Remington magic.

    My last hunting trip was with my Tikka CTR in an MDT ACC chassis. Not a light rifle by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not humping thru the mountains at altitude, so a few more ounces on a hunting rifle isn’t going to be a problem anytime soon.
     
    My last hunting trip was with my Tikka CTR in an MDT ACC chassis. Not a light rifle by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not humping thru the mountains at altitude, so a few more ounces on a hunting rifle isn’t going to be a problem anytime soon.
    Then you seem to be all set. Enjoy the Red Deer.(y)
     
    If it is sub moa, you’d be silly to swap stocks. Also, that’s a darned skinny muzzle! You might want to make sure you have enough meat to thread.
     
    This may be a tad outside the preferred norm here, but after gifting my Win 70 Featherlight 30-06 to my SIL, I was left needing a 30-06 hunting rifle. I had a Savage Axis II 30-06 with a hideous plastic stock, and a commonly known terminal scope base problem.

    So, I went about upgrading it.

    Why? Well; it's a very lightweight barreled action, probably lighter than my preceding Featherweight. The Axis II Accue-Trigger helps, too.

    The bore checked out with the borescope, the scope mounting was resolved with an EGW Steel extended 20MOA Pic rail, and I found a nice Boyd's Laminate Wood Stock. The resulting rifle was crowned with an older (Japan) Simmons Whitetail(?) 4.5-18x60(?) scope, and has turned our to be a comfortable and pretty adequate hunter.

    Practice is done with Hornady 125 Custom, and hunting would with 150 or 165gr factory loads. The 178's are probably too much in the recoil department out of such a lightweight rifle for my ancient and reassembled body to tolerate (think 73 Y/O Frankenstein; two bouts with Lymphoma, and two open heart surgeries) body to take. Only enough rounds down tube/down range to get a zero so far, but it'll serve for my dwindling hunting needs.

    It's a very cheap solution, but the expected traps and downfalls have yet to make their appearance.

    As may be appearing from my posts here; I strive for a less costly approach.

    Greg
     
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    The Partition is a great bullet design...any reason other than accuracy you'd go with something else?
    I have been shooting smaller animals in the 100 to 220 pound range. The Nosler Ballistic Tip has been working like a champ so far for animals in that weight range. They fly pretty well with good terminal effects on these beasts.
    To shoot animals that are about double the weight that I normally shoot, the larger caliber + bullet weight + velocity are all welcome to this party.
    It costs more to fly first class, so the Partition is definitely on my radar for this application.
     
    Partitions are my go to hunting bullet.

    Unless you're chasing bc I see no reason to search any farther.

    (They're sometimes available as factory seconds or overrun for dirt cheap also).
     
    We are in the middle of Mardi Gras season here in Mobile, AL., so spare time has been tough to come by in the last two weeks or so.
    I have parts on order and I'm designing up a reflex suppressor to go on the rifle so stay tuned.
    This might just get interesting...