Venezuela Doesn't Make Stereos Or Cars

I want that note. Put it right next to the Zimbabwe ones. Its the same lesson over and over.

While forcing additional misery upon the plebs in Venezuela remains the official US policy ,now 5mio Venezuelans uprooted in the past couple of years can immigrate into US without fear of deportation in addition to 300K already illegally inside US.

''Biden's apparent 'humanitarian answer' is to maintain sanctions but 'open the gates' in terms of migrants seeking refuge in the US.''

"We are striking a blow to the Maduro regime, which has for years deprived its own citizens of education, health care, basic freedoms, and even food," said Menendez, D-N.J. "As a result of actions taken today, upwards of 300,000 Venezuelan women, men, and children … will no longer live in fear of being returned back to Maduro’s humanitarian catastrophe."

In the end American taxpayer will be the one that will paying for the 'blow' , while Venezuelans continue to suffer the effects of US sanctions and hence emigrate even more. Freedom fries all the way.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pub...ected-status-and-implementation-of-employment

Anybody seen pictures of Venezuelans weighing money to pay for donuts at a street vendor? That’s pretty amusing

There is some potentially good news coming out of Venezuela though.


Now, this doesn’t mean this socialist shithole will be magically transformed by the end of the year but it is promising. Any news that could mean millions of people lifted out of crushing poverty should be celebrated wildly

The D said:

Anybody seen pictures of Venezuelans weighing money to pay for donuts at a street vendor? That’s pretty amusing

There is some potentially good news coming out of Venezuela though.

Bloomberg: Venezuela Turns to Privatization After Being Bankrupted by Socialism | Jon Miltimore

Bloomberg News reports that Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro has quietly begun transferring state assets back into the hands of private owners in an effort to reverse Venezuela's economic collapse. “Saddled with hundreds of failed state companies in an economy barreling over a cliff, the...

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Now, this doesn’t mean this socialist shithole will be magically transformed by the end of the year but it is promising. Any news that could mean millions of people lifted out of crushing poverty should be celebrated wildly

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The companies are being given to Maduro loyalists.

Or you could be a billionaire for only 530USD.

Just think if it ever rebounds.

lariat said:

The companies are being given to Maduro loyalists.

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Of course they are, that’s how fascism works. But fascism is still a tiny step better that full socialist. As long as there is some semblance of profit motive, living standards will increase

Mr.BR said:

While forcing additional misery upon the plebs in Venezuela remains the official US policy ,now 5mio Venezuelans uprooted in the past couple of years can immigrate into US without fear of deportation in addition to 300K already illegally inside US.

''Biden's apparent 'humanitarian answer' is to maintain sanctions but 'open the gates' in terms of migrants seeking refuge in the US.''

"We are striking a blow to the Maduro regime, which has for years deprived its own citizens of education, health care, basic freedoms, and even food," said Menendez, D-N.J. "As a result of actions taken today, upwards of 300,000 Venezuelan women, men, and children … will no longer live in fear of being returned back to Maduro’s humanitarian catastrophe."

In the end American taxpayer will be the one that will paying for the 'blow' , while Venezuelans continue to suffer the effects of US sanctions and hence emigrate even more. Freedom fries all the way.

https://www.federalregister.gov/pub...ected-status-and-implementation-of-employment

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Ok. What’s your solution? This I’ve got to hear!

The D said:

Anybody seen pictures of Venezuelans weighing money to pay for donuts at a street vendor? That’s pretty amusing

There is some potentially good news coming out of Venezuela though.

Bloomberg: Venezuela Turns to Privatization After Being Bankrupted by Socialism | Jon Miltimore

Bloomberg News reports that Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro has quietly begun transferring state assets back into the hands of private owners in an effort to reverse Venezuela's economic collapse. “Saddled with hundreds of failed state companies in an economy barreling over a cliff, the...

fee.org

Now, this doesn’t mean this socialist shithole will be magically transformed by the end of the year but it is promising. Any news that could mean millions of people lifted out of crushing poverty should be celebrated wildly

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State "reforms" are already too late for that hellhole... They need to parade with the heads of Maduro and other party leaders on spears in order to set things right again... And send a message to Maduro's friend Kimmy boy on the Korean Peninsula that his own fate at the hands of his own people will be similar...

sadly, there are billion people that have it worse than anyone in south america.

Fig said:

Ok. What’s your solution? This I’ve got to hear!

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Leave them be , stop the sanctions or be prepared to take in and pay for millions of them coming to the US.

Folks like to smartass around on how fucked up Venezuela is, while avoiding the elephant in the room US sanctions crushing their only real export and their capacity to import stuff. Same sanctions would crush many major Oil exporting countries that are superwealthy right now let alone 3rd world Venezuela.

Their government and socialism/communism is what’s crushing them. All we‘re doing is cutting their government off. If we traded with them everything would be stolen and the people would still starve. I don’t think you understand what it is.

I think the other official narrative is to keep communism from spreading in the Latin American back yard. I don’t know how much it helps though when the only governments Venezuela can run to now are communists as well. Russia is owed a ton of money by Venezuela and there was some talk about them seizing national assets, namely oil production. Russian military assets have been stationed there for a while.

Communists/socialists should be shot. They’re a cancer. If they just poisoned and ruined their own lives they wouldn’t be a problem, but their hatred of all humanity and need to dominate your very thoughts makes them incompatible with human beings. Anyone left is Venezuela is a willing victim who refuses to fight. Fuck them too, without sheep the communists have no one to dominate.
We are about to have a civil war over the very same shit, so save your compassion for your countrymen. They are going to need it.

Fig said:

Their government and socialism/communism is what’s crushing them. All we‘re doing is cutting their government off. If we traded with them everything would be stolen and the people would still starve. I don’t think you understand what it is.

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That is BS

Corruption is definitely a major source of their problems.Thinking that sanctions don't mostly impact the plebs is naive. In Venezuela 90% of gov revenue is from oil and those revenues pay millions of jobs ,pensions,social security, subsidies on everything from fuel to medicine, and a bunch of other free socialist stuff.(try cutting 90% of US federal and state budgets) Like many oil-exporting countries, they were spending way more than they should, budgeting for high oil prices so even before sanctions dop in oil prices hit hard.

Elites will always have anything they want in abundance. I have traveled many of these countries (all the axis of evil except North Korea) under sanctions and the impact of them on the average folk is severe while much of the elite thrives and gets rich as they run smuggling, black market , banking. What i saw in Iran pre and post-sanctions was most 'illustrating'. Huge segments of the elite thrive on sanctions as a free market import export is no more and they control everything that gets imported/smuggled in , the second element is the banking that US sanctions cripple, as they can not move money through Swift to pay for imports or receive remittances anymore so old-style money men make a killing facilitating this past the impacted banking system, the same folk also do the lucrative the money exchange and gold trade, with ripoff exchange rates.

When you get a look at that in some more detail you see that folks advertising for these sanctions have no clue, none whatso ever, how they actually work in real life, 95+% of the impact is on the common folk, while it impacts some segment of the elites particulary those with money abroad, but much of the Elite is unimpacted and many actually make fortunes due to sanctions.

Not to mention that sanctions so far never worked in their primary role of the regime change, Cubans and the Norks have been under sanctions for past 60+years Iranians for over 40 years ........ most of these regimes would have already ended up on the scrap heap of history without them, Cuban and Norks governments for sure ,Iranian very likely.

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Proof you’re just an apologist who doesn’t like people bad talkin’ your religion.

Total and utter bullshit. You haven’t been anywhere outside the US if you think we control the world like that. You think Venezuela’s neighbors are onboard with their socialism? Those nations we have such great relations with?

Venezuela was a net exporter of food before Chaves. How the fuck does a fucktard communist like you explain how they were starving before any sanctions when there were still Citgo stations everywhere? It’s total bullshit.

You’re an enemy of all free people, and a communist moron. All you evil fuckers claim it’s all just corruption, and has nothing to do with your demonic politics and state worship, every single time it fails. “The wrong people were in charge”, gets fucking old you communist shitbag. You’ll never learn, which is why we have no choice but to fight then and now. Sanctions are the least of all the problems, and anything we can do to make a communists life more difficult or painful is worth doing if we’re not going to end them, period.

Mr.BR said:

That is BS

Corruption is definitely a major source of their problems.Thinking that sanctions don't mostly impact the plebs is naive. In Venezuela 90% of gov revenue is from oil and those revenues pay millions of jobs , subsidies on everything from fuel to medicine, and a bunch of other free socialist stuff. Like many oil-exporting countries, they were spending way more than they should, budgeting for high oil prices so even before sanctions dop in oil prices hit hard.

Elites will always have anything they want in abundance. I have traveled many of these countries (all the axis of evil except North Korea) under sanctions and the impact of them on the average folk is severe while much of the elite thrives and gets rich as they run smuggling, black market , banking. What i saw in Iran pre and post-sanctions was most 'illustrating'. Huge segments of the elite thrive on sanctions as a free market import export is no more and they control everything that gets imported/smuggled in , the second element is the banking that US sanctions cripple, as they can not move money through Swift to pay for imports or receive remittances anymore so old-style money men make a killing facilitating this past the impacted banking system, the same folk also do the lucrative the money exchange and gold trade, with ripoff exchange rates.

When you get a look at that in some more detail you see that folks advertising for these sanctions have no clue, none whatso ever, how they actually work in real life, 95+% of the impact is on the common folk, while it impacts some segment of the elites particulary those with money abroad, but much of the Elite is unimpacted and many actually make fortunes due to sanctions.

Not to mention that sanctions so far never worked in their primary role of the regime change, Cubans and the Norks have been under sanctions for past 60+years Iranians for over 40 years ........ most of these regimes would have already ended up on the scrap heap of history without them, Cuban and Norks governments for sure ,Iranian very likely.

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What part of Europe are you from?

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It's not like this is his first post. It doesn't take much baiting for him to start singing the "socialist" line, and for him to spout anti-American propaganda.

I know @DarnYankeeUSMC comes from the heart and a deep distrust/loathing for the Federal Government (which I share and applaud!). But, we know who this joker is, and how he thinks. There is no arguing or reasoning with him. He's a godless socialist who pretends to be into precision shooting, or maybe not even that anymore. He knows the answer before you've asked the question: more government, more taxes, more spending, more control, and less liberty.

I can't believe you think "corruption" is the cause of Venezuelas collapse! What a fucking mindless NPR answer. Socialism and Communism IS CORRUPTION. It is basically a system wherein a criminal syndicate seizes control of all government and institutes a series of totalitarian measures to control all the people and make them into slaves to the state. This site is literally populated by the kinds of people such a state must eliminate...troublemakers. You are literally trying to sell your socialist bullshit/apologies to the very people committed to destroying it.

That you are so unaware and oblivious is actually quite typical. You couldn't be any more miseducated. You're the Will Ferrel of political science.

Rthur said:

What part of Europe are you from?

R

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Not trying to dox you.

For reference ^^^ could even scribble on provided as to not tell to much.
Danke.

R

FIG

Seems you need to take a peek outside your Area code ,pull you head out of your ass. Unlike you i also did a bit of work around South America in 2012. Just telling you stuff i have seen firsthand vs you watching MSM propaganda ,at least these days you can see it for what it is , but really only because it's now targeting you ,conservative = terrorist , jet you still readily gobble up stuff focused on other countries.

Last i remember much of South America was profiting greatly from Chavez, Chavez was spending way too much on their neighbors rather than diversifying their own economy. https://www.globalcapital.com/article/yvyhwg3nr3lm/bolivar-diplomacy

Oil-producing countries almost without exception run their budgets based on high oil prices , and many still run huge deficits because of that. If you failed to notice all of the Gulf states run socialism even more than Venezuelans, the locals literally don't move a finger , imported slave labor does the work. They can afford socialism others can't.


Note that GDP woes are quite in line with oil price drop followed by sanctions. It was easy to pay for all the shit with 110$ oil.

It's quite funny when you point out some obvious facts you are labeled communist, socialist ...., man that is so grown up.

Whatever helps you sleep at night comrade. You're either a victim of propaganda with that bullshit, or you really are a dumbfuck. Name another shithole petro-dictatorship whose currency has done this concurrently with a drop in oil prices... I'll wait.



See my signature for misguided, miseducated fucks like you.

Government petro-spending was able to mask what socialist/communist policies had already been doing for years. You act like the fragility of the house of cards isn't the fault of the policies...for good reason. You conveniently forget, or intentionally leave out that the oil industry was not 100% of Venezuela's economy, just the vast majority of it's exports under socialism. It was a prosperous and self sufficient state with a stable currency and a thriving local economy. It was one of the wealthiest Latin America states that actually had a middle class in the cities. SOCIALISM utterly destroyed the country. Oil was only able to hide it for a while. They canibalized and eliminated their economy systematically, which is what socilaism/communism does, period. Looking back before Chaves and Venezuela was a healthy, capitalist economy that was a net exporter of all sorts of agricultural goods.

No need to cherry pick like a dishonest, propaganda mongering communist. There are full figures from at least when it was a free country. The data pretty much falls apart once it became a left wing police state, because all the numbers had to be hidden and lies told to cover up how horrendous left wing policies actually are. https://en.actualitix.com/

Across the economic metrics it is plain as day that as soon as Chaves took over and started seizing companies Venezuela's exports (outside of oil) started to plummet, as did their internal economy. There isn't data for exports after 2013 because there essentiallyy aren't any even though before that they had in the neighborhood of 80 billion excluding the oil.

Materialist morons like you think you create material which no one owns. It isn't possible. "Ownership" is a construct. Someone always possesses those attributes of ownership that allow control. The most ignorant and hateful among us believe the government should own everything, including the people, because only murderous, communist assholes can equitably distribute material. The most enlightened believe in the smallest and weakest government possible. No secret you're a totalitarian, and that you describe a command economy in the most apologetic terms is proof positive.

I can assure you I've spent WAY more time in Latin America than you have, and I was not a fucking tourist like you. I'd love to see you go spout socialism at the people it's destroyed. I'd love to see you argue with all the Venezuelan refugees, or Cuban refugees, or anyone who has escaped the hell holes that wicked men like you try to create that it was only corruption that caused this, and not the satanic politics of the chavistas. It would be fun to watch them kick your ass for being such a dimwitted totalitarian.

You don't find it interesting that Venezuela's oil exports were dropping exactly at the same time the price was rising?

What could have corresponded in the late 90's with the steady decline of Venezuela's oil output? Wouldn't you want to sell more as the price rises? Please explain this to us from the materialist point of view, becuase in the real world it makes no sense unless something was going on inside PDVSA... What could it be? Tell us commrad.

I was trained to kill communists, not debate them, but it’s pretty easy because of reality. They want to blame everything but their godless religion.

It gets complicated because the communism McCarthy had in view wasn’t as capitalist-centric as what we have now. A world economy that almost requires a degree of capitalistic type of trade in all participating economies has the consequence of all economies benefiting from the dark sides of communism if the country becomes a significant player in any sector. Think Nike, Apple, aluminum, steel, etc.

In the end It's kinda tasteless to gloat over folks being impoverished when your government is doing everything it can to make it happen and impart as much hardship it can in hopes it will cause folks to go to the streets and topple a government.

While waiting for a 1400$ check and government is running a budget deficit more than twice that of Venezuela in 2020 under DJT and the money press is only just warming up under Cameltoe Harris.

Just a peek into the world of sanctions.

I like much of the perspective above by all writers. Each conveys a facet of the circumstances. Some facets have more weight than others. Compounding issues was the decline in oil prices, which made oil products less valuable. This was further accelerated when the US became a net exporter of oil, which reduced world demand. This last factor knocked out the last leg which was propping up Venezuela.

The voting public there, are about ten years ahead of the curve of voters here. They realized a decade ago, they could vote in people who would toss money and trinkets their way. They did not care what it did to the government budget, their income was so low that they knew they would not be hit up for the taxes to pay for their "gifts from the government". It would be some "rich guy" footing the bill. (class warfare).

We are at the beginning of that curve here. Pay attention.

addertooth said:

I like much of the perspective above by all writers. Each conveys a facet of the circumstances. Some facets have more weight than others. Compounding issues was the decline in oil prices, which made oil products less valuable. This was further accelerated when the US became a net exporter of oil, which reduced world demand. This last factor knocked out the last leg which was propping up our Venezuela.

The voting public there, are about ten years ahead of the curve of voters here. They realized a decade ago, they could vote in people who would toss money and trinkets their way. They did not care what it did to the government budget, their income was so low that they knew they would not be hit up for the taxes to pay for their "gifts from the government". It would be some "rich guy" footing the bill. (class warfare).

We are at the beginning of that curve here. Pay attention.

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I think this assessment of the US is correct. There has been a landslide of money handed out. A bud of mine made the comment that from now on every time there is a financial hiccup the populace will expect a handout. This is not good.

So, the Venezuelan people "voted in favor" of socialism?

OldSalty2 said:

So, the Venezuelan people "voted in favor" of socialism?

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Yes, at one point they did. Socialism, you can vote your way in... but almost always have to fight your way out of it. Usually it comes under the guise of a "labor party", or a "make the rich guy pay party".

I pretty much forgot about the place after I left, but the memories I do have were good from '96-'97. Marine Security Guard Detachment, American Embassy Caracas. Times have obviously changed...

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So, the Venezuelan people "voted in favor" of socialism?

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Exactly. No-Fucks-Given, and I do not expect communist morons like MrBr to feel sorry for us as we destroy our economy and impoverish our people by the full on socialism a bare majority of our government are foisting on all of us.

Difference is that in every communist hellhole there was a safe haven of liberty to run towards.

I don't know about you, but I don't expect some cuck eurotard to feel sorry for me when we destroyed the best thing in human history.

Even after reading Gibbons several times and a half dozen other books on the topic, I did not understand the reasons behind the fall of Rome till the Obama Administration. That's when I suddenly understood how the left's control of the culture causes a majority of people hate their own country, hate their own culture, hate themselves, feel guilty for things they had nothing to do with, and become inculcated into a general misanthropic ideology.

Critical race theory, white fragility, and the rush towards communism of the Democrats are all symptoms of a deep sickness.

It's more of a sickness than an actual ideology; in which the nobility of a policy or an idea resides in how many people it hurts and destroys. Any culture that venerates and emulates the poor rather than the elites is already will on it's way to destruction, and that's exactly what pop-culture has become. The MrBrs of our country will destroy themselves and take everyone who doesn't deserve it with them. There is no one to blame if we allow it to happen. Read our Declaration of Independence. It is a lot easier to suffer evil while evil is sufferable, and make no mistake, socialism/communism is the most evil and dangerous enemy (as Reagan said) since the dawn of man. It is seductive, soulless, and measures success by how miserable and wretched it makes everyone it is touched by. It promises utopia, and delivers a crushing dystopia. It's "equity" is intentionally unfair as it venerates the shiftless and lazy while it punishes excellence and the productive.

If we let it consume us in the left wing totalitarianism that is now everywhere we definitely deserve it, because there are enough of us who know how evil it is.

I have no pity for Venezuela, and expect none when we are in the same boat, which will be sooner than we thought adding another two trillion of communist giveaways and annihilating our culture. MrBr is in good company in his hatred of America and self loathing. Half our own people agree with him and are set to destroy it.

Capitalism didn't work for Texas, did it?
When you sever your state from the national grid, because of the retarded fear of "over regulation" from mean old Federal government.
Then fail to have the system capable of supply.
But it's okay, because then the privatised power suppliers can charge top dollar for shit service.
Then you can always blame wind turbines freezing, instead of a system that caters for shareholders and Republican fucktards.
Do any of you understand that Socialism and Communism are different?
You do realise it's possible to put the needs of citizens before business, and still make a profit without killing someone?
"Me,Me,Me," that should be the motto of a lot of you selfish fucks here.
Better get back to blaming everyone else guys, because it couldn't possibly be the fault of such sterling gents as you.
"The Commies are coming"
"The election was stolen"
"Climate change is a hoax"
"They want to take my guns"

Haha. And you fuckers think I'm a commie.

Actually capitalism seems to be working fine for Texas. Everyone seems to be moving in because of it. The other word for capitalism is “opportunity “. Opportunity to increase you and your family’s station in life, the opportunity to live free to choose. Sure don’t see that in a lot of places in the world.

lariat said:

Actually capitalism seems to be working fine for Texas. Everyone seems to be moving in because of it. The other word for capitalism is “opportunity “. Opportunity to increase you and your family’s station in life, the opportunity to live free to choose. Sure don’t see that in a lot of places in the world.

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It always boggles my mind when people see three hard days in Texas and decide the capitalism has failed because, I guess, 365 shitty fucking days a year in Venezuala is proof. It's like guys who complain about sharp knees, then run around drooling over slumpbusters.

GrumpyOleFart said:

Capitalism didn't work for Texas, did it?
When you sever your state from the national grid, because of the retarded fear of "over regulation" from mean old Federal government.
Then fail to have the system capable of supply.
But it's okay, because then the privatised power suppliers can charge top dollar for shit service.
Then you can always blame wind turbines freezing, instead of a system that caters for shareholders and Republican fucktards.
Do any of you understand that Socialism and Communism are different?
You do realise it's possible to put the needs of citizens before business, and still make a profit without killing someone?
"Me,Me,Me," that should be the motto of a lot of you selfish fucks here.
Better get back to blaming everyone else guys, because it couldn't possibly be the fault of such sterling gents as you.
"The Commies are coming"
"The election was stolen"
"Climate change is a hoax"
"They want to take my guns"

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Lol. Fucking genius among us! Who do you think coined the term “socialism” you blue dog retard? Go back to CNN giving you all your opinions.
Socialism is, by definition, the interim state of communism where the means of production are “collectively” owned, but there is still a government and there are still classes. It is the leap towards communism, and is not a final state of being. If you are a socialist you are a sad, little, communist bitch, period.
You’re just too cowardly to steal for yourself. You want government to steal for you. I love it when leftist retards try to pretend Venezuela isn’t exactly what they have planned for America. They’re like millennial children who take responsibility for nothing. There’s always a fucking excuse.

GrumpyOleFart said:

Capitalism didn't work for Texas, did it?
When you sever your state from the national grid, because of the retarded fear of "over regulation" from mean old Federal government.
Then fail to have the system capable of supply.
But it's okay, because then the privatised power suppliers can charge top dollar for shit service.
Then you can always blame wind turbines freezing, instead of a system that caters for shareholders and Republican fucktards.
Do any of you understand that Socialism and Communism are different?
You do realise it's possible to put the needs of citizens before business, and still make a profit without killing someone?
"Me,Me,Me," that should be the motto of a lot of you selfish fucks here.
Better get back to blaming everyone else guys, because it couldn't possibly be the fault of such sterling gents as you.
"The Commies are coming"
"The election was stolen"
"Climate change is a hoax"
"They want to take my guns"

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Comedy.
You are from half way around the world and are trying to tell the locals how it is.
Show me a couple pics of your semi auto collection.

R

Mr.BR said:

In the end It's kinda tasteless to gloat over folks being impoverished when your government is doing everything it can to make it happen and impart as much hardship it can in hopes it will cause folks to go to the streets and topple a government.

While waiting for a 1400$ check and government is running a budget deficit more than twice that of Venezuela in 2020 under DJT and the money press is only just warming up under Cameltoe Harris.

Just a peek into the world of sanctions.

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I agree. Fuck sanctions. We should park a carrier battle group off their coast and use inserted and Indig surveillance teams to target smart munitions at anyone with a passing connection to the Maduro regime. Communists must be stamped out at home and abroad. We must show them the same mercy they show the people they intend to rule. There is no compromise or accommodation with people who don’t believe in human rights.