Want a handgun? Surrender your Med Records

Like the fucking potato rot fungus, the statist blight continues to spread.

This bill has very serious implications. What if someone in the past had visited a shrink, or even just a regular doctor because he had a period of difficult sleeping and just needed some sleeping meds? A perfectly innocent situation. And now he can be denied a handgun purchase just because of that.

This is going to open up the biggest can of worms ever seen by that state so far and it is going to be exploited and abused like a crack whore's mouth by the SOB's that put it forward.

#80%

Sounds like a huge HIPA violation.

No one can stay open an abuse anything if their power, water, sewage, ect is on the fritz all the time. Perception is all that's holding pushback from happening, to those who piss on the COTUS.

Remember those that enforce that kind of shit are no better than those who implemented it. That includes the gun shops an others who sell anything/everything to the enforcers.

Hired guns are only loyal until the money is gone or worthless.

Bad Boy, Bad Boy, what you going to do, when the public comes for you? Will your family be home that night as well?

Something else I was reading, the record check is not only at purchase:

"I-1639 will institute a system that annually reviews your record to determine your eligibility to own firearms. You should expect that medical records, mental health issues, and social security disability will all be reviewed to determine whether you can possess that old semiauto hunting rifle. And you thought we were trying to scare you with visions of the police at your door to confiscate your firearms. "

And should these come to pass they purposefully will underfund and understaff these areas so that everything slows to a multi-year crawl.

perhaps this should be mandated before having kids.

i still say, with zero interest in banning alcohol and cell phones (drunk and distracted driving deaths), no one really seems truly interested in saving lives, more so in pushing some sort of agenda.

Drs kill more people annually than firearms. At a rate possibly 5-8 times higher. So I’m supposed to believe that the killers will decide who and who can’t have a firearm. Let’s start with every Dr.

Unfortunately in Maryland this is been in place for about 10 years now. And on top of this they added a red flag law two years ago and there are about to up the red flag law and opening up to more people who can file one against you

fastgun said:

Unfortunately in Maryland this is been in place for about 10 years now. And on top of this they added a red flag law two years ago and there are about to up the red flag law and opening up to more people who can file one against you

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That works both ways, why not start hooking those people up? Understand your governor is into child porn by the way. Why has that not made the news?

davsco said:

perhaps this should be mandated before having kids.

i still say, with zero interest in banning alcohol and cell phones (drunk and distracted driving deaths), no one really seems truly interested in saving lives, more so in pushing some sort of agenda.

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Or medical mal practice or drownings. But those aren't roadblocks in the way of socialism and totalitarian government.

Once again. Women's suffrage led to this

fastgun said:

Unfortunately in Maryland this is been in place for about 10 years now. And on top of this they added a red flag law two years ago and there are about to up the red flag law and opening up to more people who can file one against you

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BS flag on that one

Those red flag laws are bad news. Totally warrantless search and seizure. They don’t give a damn about constitutionality. It’s a quasi legal snuff law.

Dewey7271 said:

Those red flag laws are bad news. Totally warrantless search and seizure. They don’t give a damn about constitutionality. It’s a quasi legal snuff law.

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I don't watch TV shows anymore, but I suspect police shows will start coming up with red flag story lines to make people think everyone who get's called for arms seizure is a crazed murderer.

I do believe the mental background check came about when they when they changed the laws on assault weapons or proper terminology military style weapons in Maryland

and as for our illustrious governor of Maryland he might as well just go ahead and switch to the Democratic party

Spblademaker said:

Drs kill more people annually than firearms. At a rate possibly 5-8 times higher. So I’m supposed to believe that the killers will decide who and who can’t have a firearm. Let’s start with every Dr.

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Well if you look at the other numbers such as drug overdoses, deaths related to alcohol (medical and DUI) and suicide are increasing at such a rate that it is actually lowering the life expectancy of the country by killing off the younger generations at a disproportionately higher rate. Considering drugs killed 70,000 compared to 600 or so for semi auto rifles in addition to the fact that drugs also represent the reason behind a large number of the 14,000 or so handgun murders it truly seems like drugs are a much larger problem.

But those are illegal yet they kill 70,000 people a year and the numbers just keep going up so clearly banning things doesn’t seem to do shit to stop the problem.

Over here you have to do the same for handgun and long gun permits.

CMP70306 said:

Well if you look at the other numbers such as drug overdoses, deaths related to alcohol (medical and DUI) and suicide are increasing at such a rate that it is actually lowering the life expectancy of the country by killing off the younger generations at a disproportionately higher rate. Considering drugs killed 70,000 compared to 600 or so for semi auto rifles in addition to the fact that drugs also represent the reason behind a large number of the 14,000 or so handgun murders it truly seems like drugs are a much larger problem.

But those are illegal yet they kill 70,000 people a year and the numbers just keep going up so clearly banning things doesn’t seem to do shit to stop the problem.

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They need to put each beer or liquor bottle purchase 16oz or less under the NFA. Fill out a Form-A4, pay $200 and wait 6 to 12 months before you can take possession of your beer. It's only common sense alcohol law. It makes sense to do it.

Don’t forget cigarettes.

Death by a thousand cuts....................

When it all boils down, the politicians make very little money off of civilian firearms purchases. The MIC, big pharma, big tobacco and so on...bring them big donor moneys. Yet, They will scream about how dangerous guns are while at the same time funding overseas terrorists. It’s always, ALWAYS, about the money.

When they sign Bills to ban guns to “save just one child” with the left hand and sign abortion laws with the right.

BTW,whats the deal with having a marijuana card and owning firearms in your states?
Here you have to relinquish all firearms when you apply for the card,not that i smoke the crap anyway,or the local PD will come for them.

MK20 said:

The only way to win is to not play the game. It is literally time to not be in that system. Get what you need now and keep a low profile.

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Bingo!

Buy lots of spare parts and ammo...the gun grabbers can suck my dick

KZP said:

I don't watch TV shows anymore, but I suspect police shows will start coming up with red flag story lines to make people think everyone who get's called for arms seizure is a crazed murderer.

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Exactly. Toward the end of Fahrenheit 451, when Montag was fleeing the scene of his burnt house, what did the state media do? Didn't they have a full field day with portraying Montag as evil and diabolical as they could? To justify the manhunt, the shipping in of a new Mechanical Hound, and above all, to turn the entire televised chase into entertainment?

Psy-war Rule # 1, Discredit & Accuse then make you enemy wanted by the law on trumped up charges. Easier to stifle any response or action. Vilify with innuendo an lies with a smidgen of truth sprinkled in. Falsify photos/video/voice recordings to/for back up.

This is a std set of tactics they are using, logic will never be listened to. The thing most on the right forget is those tactics work both ways. Only we don't have to make up lies, facts are out there to back up what we are saying.

edit to add only one rule in war, there are no rules. They adhere to that rule which is why if we don't start playing by those same rules, we might as well just bend over an take it dry now, while getting into the knee position an learning how to swallow, permanently.

Gunfighter14e2 said:

Psy-war Rule # 1, Discredit & Accuse then make you enemy wanted by the law on trumped up charges. Easier to stifle any response or action. Vilify with innuendo an lies with a smidgen of truth sprinkled in. Falsify photos/video/voice recordings to/for back up.

This is a std set of tactics they are using, logic will never be listened to. The thing most on the right forget is those tactics work both ways. Only we don't have to make up lies, facts are out there to back up what we are saying.

edit to add only one rule in war, there are no rules. They adhere to that rule which is why if we don't start playing by those same rules, we might as well just bend over an take it dry now, while getting into the knee position an learning how to swallow, permanently.

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So, let’s get on it. What are we waiting on?

With this health background check shit, the best I can tell is that they can only check to see if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution under court order. In other words, a court has to be involved. I don't think they can just look up your record and see where it says you have anxiety or depression and respond to outpatient treatment just fine and use that against you.

I could be wrong but that's the best I can find. There is almost no information about this bullshit law. One body of text had the part where it says cops can access that information crossed out (cops and other peons can't access your medical records; even if they could, they're not doctors or experts so their opinion means absolutely zip).

I have to move in another year or so, chances are I'll leave this state if possible.

Strykervet said:

With this health background check shit, the best I can tell is that they can only check to see if you've been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution under court order. In other words, a court has to be involved. I don't think they can just look up your record and see where it says you have anxiety or depression and respond to outpatient treatment just fine and use that against you.

I could be wrong but that's the best I can find. There is almost no information about this bullshit law. One body of text had the part where it says cops can access that information crossed out (cops and other peons can't access your medical records; even if they could, they're not doctors or experts so their opinion means absolutely zip).

I have to move in another year or so, chances are I'll leave this state if possible.

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For now. I would not be surprised if they somehow made it happen bypassing the courts in the future. It’s too unknown and it’s not like they just don’t seem to make up theirs own rules.

MK20 said:

@Strykervet , The story says access to all medical records. Even so, the govt has no right to require me to prove that I am "worthy" of having a right "bestowed" upon me by God. I have the right and if they don't like it they can F off.

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FIFY

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With most releases, the person who signed the release can revoke that permission at any time, unless action has already been taken in reliance on that release. So, what I am wondering is whether someone could buy a firearm on the 10th at 10:00 AM, (thereby initiating the release of information), then at noon on the 10th, send a revocation of all releases to all their medical providers, insurance companies and related health care providers. Few agencies could act within 2 hours to acquire information.

That way, if any information was released, it have been done in violation of HIPA and could possibly be suppressed, with civil action taken against the party that released the information.

I really doubt that a state law saying that the release is permanent, and cannot be revoked would supersede the federal laws/regulations on release of information. It would make an interesting test case.

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Yep. Good way to kill off the folks the state doesn’t like. The homeowner is not supposed to return fire when someone kicks his door down in the middle of the night on a red flag law seizure? WTF

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Yes. They want people conditioned to be pacifists. Good little citizens.

Every gun law in existence is unconstitutional.

MK20 said:

WA state has a 3 day handgun waiting period.

@Rthur , that was the point I was trying to make by sarcasm.

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This socialist state has 15 day