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What gas gun to suppress?

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I've been carrying my Larue OBR 308 around in my truck for years to kill pigs and coyotes. Great shooting gun, but you have to clean it every 30 rounds or it becomes a jamomatic. Is there any other caliber larger than 223 and not 300 BO, that will run reliably suppressed - or a certain manufacturer that runs better than others? I have been shooting bolt guns suppressed for 15 years, but the gassers fit better in the tractor.
 
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Your Larue should run fine. Maybe it needs an adjustable gas block.
Or pull the bolt and hit it with a chamber brush now and then.

6.8 or 6.5 Grendel would work for you.

Get an an LMT 6.8 Should suit you well
 
I agree, a lot of 6.8SPC rifles run well suppressed. Could get the LMT built above or build your own. I built my own using an AR Performance barrel and have had good performance out of it.
 
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The KAC SR-25 is arguably the pinnacle of design, capability, and reliability in a suppressed 30 cal gasser platform. They've been at that exact game longer than literally anyone and have it as refined as can possibly be.
 
1.) DI/Stoner Gas System is great suppressed when set up properly. Superlative Arms Adjustable Gas Block + A5 buffer at a minimum and you are gtg.

2.) What do you need to do with this rifle that 5.56 isn't going to do? The 5.56 will kill pigs and yotes just fine, even a 12.5in gun will take them at 300y with 77gr TMKs. If you want to take them really far out then maybe 6.5G or a 6.5G necked to 6mm if you reload.
 
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2.) What do you need to do with this rifle that 5.56 isn't going to do? The 5.56 will kill pigs and yotes just fine, even a 12.5in gun will take them at 300y with 77gr TMKs. If you want to take them really far out then maybe 6.5G or a 6.5G necked to 6mm if you reload.

I have a M16 and several AR-15's, but just like to run a large frame AR with more thump. Not all shots are ideal when you're shooting a pig running, so sometimes you have to put a large bullet in them to slow them down (when you can't be precise) before you finish them.

16 years ago, before I started shooting long range (and took classes), I put 6 69 SMk's in the side of a pig that was running less than 100 yards away from me. The 6th shot hit his spine, which was the only thing that slowed him down. I've killed 100's of pigs since that time, and bigger is always better.
 
I've been carrying my Larue OBR 308 around in my truck for years to kill pigs and coyotes. Great shooting gun, but you have to clean it every 30 rounds or it becomes a jamomatic. Is there any other caliber larger than 223 and not 300 BO, that will run reliably suppressed - or a certain manufacturer that runs better than others? I have been shooting bolt guns suppressed for 15 years, but the gassers fit better in the tractor.
Like you mine is for hog and coyote duty. I have thousands of rounds on a PWS 7.62x39 and I feed it Wolf HP and SP with a Q Thunder Chicken. In short it's flawless as the trailers full of dead hogs will attest. The bcg/piston are proprietary everything else is BCM. I have literally beat the shit out of my rifle on the ranch and it smiles back at me. Tried the AK round and found it was just as effective as 308 at our distances and switched from 308AR to save a ton of weight....and ammo cost. I get the Wolf HP's at .19/round shipped just as good as SP. Have taken a couple around 200 yards on rare shots, but most of our hogs get stalked in to 100 or less. As far as knock down goes the first shot is always a head shot, but once the runners go you take what you can get obviously. We don't get as many bang flops with x39 like 308, but I can't recall last time we didn't recover a hit hog. Sometimes they go 20 yards, sometimes 50, but they go down. My rifle suppressed with thermal and 30 round mag loaded is a smidge over 9 lbs. I did a test of sorts for dirty/mals and stopped at 500 rounds w/o no mals suppressed......felt bad not to clean it after that:/ My buddy runs the x39 pistol Mk111 same thing beast mode. If you are having to shoot at really long distances at night where it's best guess or no rangefinder x39 probably not idea. 200 and in I'm supremely confident in it.
 
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I've been carrying my Larue OBR 308 around in my truck for years to kill pigs and coyotes. Great shooting gun, but you have to clean it every 30 rounds or it becomes a jamomatic. Is there any other caliber larger than 223 and not 300 BO, that will run reliably suppressed - or a certain manufacturer that runs better than others? I have been shooting bolt guns suppressed for 15 years, but the gassers fit better in the tractor.

It depends on how far you want to shoot and how light / short you'd like your rifle to be. There's a couple of parts I'd consider necessary in a suppressed AR. An adjustable gas block is necessary to tune the amount of energy used to cycle the system. I'm also a big fan of the JP Silent Captured Spring to smooth out the recoil cycle and keep the action quieter. You did want to enjoy shooting suppressed after all right?

If you want to go ultra-light and nimble a small frame SBR/pistol in 6.5 Grendel might be the ticket. If you want a mid-weight setup a 14.5 or 16" 30hate will pack a bit more punch. Either are relatively straightforward to set up for reliability.

Bring your filthy Jammed up gat to the LSF after party Saturday. I'll bring some parts you can try and some toys you can feelski. Oh and don't forget the #bet
 
I have a M16 and several AR-15's, but just like to run a large frame AR with more thump. Not all shots are ideal when you're shooting a pig running, so sometimes you have to put a large bullet in them to slow them down (when you can't be precise) before you finish them.

16 years ago, before I started shooting long range (and took classes), I put 6 69 SMk's in the side of a pig that was running less than 100 yards away from me. The 6th shot hit his spine, which was the only thing that slowed him down. I've killed 100's of pigs since that time, and bigger is always better.

The 69gr SMK will break up and dump energy too fast on large hogs so I'm not surprised. The 77gr TMKs address that to an extent, and there are even more suited rounds like the 62gr TBBCs/Fusions, 70gr GMX or TSX, and M855A1 if more penetration is desired. Bullet selection is key with the 5.56. Bigger isn't better, more terminal performance is better and bigger doesn't give that unless you have significantly more KE behind it. 7.62x39, .300blk, and similar are a no, they don't get you there. The 6.8SPC and 6.5G and similar are a bit of a step up, but not a huge one by any means. You basically have to go big bore/single stack or large frame (which you indicated you don't want in the OP?) if you want to dramatically increase terminal performance over the 5.56 at these ranges.

So if you are really looking for a lot more oomph (which again I don't think is really required with proper bullet selection for 5.56 but that is your call) in a handy package then I'd either look at small frames in .458 Socom/.50 Beowulf/.450 Bushmaster/.357 Yeti and similar (although they will need a large bore suppressor they will shoot great suppressed, Tromix makes good stuff) with a shorter barrel. OR take a look at the lighter weight/shorter factory AR10s with adjustable gas blocks like the Savage MSR10 Hunter. Or better yet just build the AR10 with a shorter barrel and an adjustable gas block.
 
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I've ran a LaRue PredatOBR for several hundred rounds (600+) with a TranQuilo attached w/o any issues of failing to function.
Problem isn't the LaRue OBR, problem is that any higher back pressure can dumps more fouling back into chamber / receiver.
Piston guns don't solve this, bore is significantly large diameter and largest contributor to fouling that casues failure to function.
Low back pressure can like LaRue TranQuilo or OSS (I have no first hand experience with the OSS) will solve your jamomatic issue.
I run a variety of cans, if it is higher back pressure can on an AR you'll be cleaning rifle more often due to increased back pressure pushing fouling back down the bore and into receiver.
I know, I know, another can is a longer lead time answer to solve an immediate, long running issue but is the least expensive , most effective solution. You can get a different rifle but when you put higher back pressure can on muzzle, you'll have same issues.
 
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Maybe try an adjustable gas block. My 308 gasser only runs suppressed and I don’t need to clean it too often. I run that bitch pretty dirty and it still shoots. ?‍♂️ Just keep it lines good and maybe wipe the bolt off once in a while.
 
OBR has an adjustable gas block already.
 
I've been carrying my Larue OBR 308 around in my truck for years to kill pigs and coyotes. Great shooting gun, but you have to clean it every 30 rounds or it becomes a jamomatic. Is there any other caliber larger than 223 and not 300 BO, that will run reliably suppressed - or a certain manufacturer that runs better than others? I have been shooting bolt guns suppressed for 15 years, but the gassers fit better in the tractor.
I don't want to suggest you have not done this, but have you adjusted your AGB with the can on it? It's there to help preserve the timing of the cyclic action with increased back pressure. I will also say it can be incredibly helpful to have the ability to dial UP the gas when you get fouling as it appears in your case. One of my buddies used to do this with on his Daniel Defense/SpecWar can once it started to give him dirty FTE's he opened up the Superlative Arms bleed off gas valve all the way and that got him cycling again.

If you have not spent time doing a tuning session with 1 round, can on and bolt lock back test you may want to try that. When you get a 'jamomatic' problem is it an FTF? FTE? Carrier hanging up on mag bolt catch(vs the actual bolt)? Sorry you are having issues it can be frustrating! This might be as easy as knowing you have the ability to push on through it by opening up your adjustable gas block. It'll be gassy in your face possibly and a bit more harsh on the recoil, but hopefully you can still keep poppin tha pigs!
 
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Had the same issue with a Nemo AR10. Replaced the gas block to a SLR.
JP VMOS heavy carrier with the high pressure bolt and heavy JP silent capture. Runs as good or better than my piston rifle. I ran a couple hundred rounds through it one night and bolt was still easy to manipulate. Expensive swap but worth every penny.
 
Somthing is not right with that OBR if it jams that quick.. my 308 Tobr has never jammed. And it has about 2k throe it.. and had been shot with surefire suppressor 98% of the time. .

Give LaRue a call...


What ammo are you shooting?
 
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My .308 LRP-07 with AGB, FMOS carrier and Heavy SCS has been perfect. Very smooth shooting when suppressed. If you know you are 100% suppressed, I'd recommend the full mass carrier and heavy SCS. It will help with the increased back pressure from the can.
 
Had the same issue with a Nemo AR10. Replaced the gas block to a SLR.
JP VMOS heavy carrier with the high pressure bolt and heavy JP silent capture. Runs as good or better than my piston rifle. I ran a couple hundred rounds through it one night and bolt was still easy to manipulate. Expensive swap but worth every penny.


I may give this a try before I get too drastic.
 
I don't want to suggest you have not done this, but have you adjusted your AGB with the can on it? It's there to help preserve the timing of the cyclic action with increased back pressure. I will also say it can be incredibly helpful to have the ability to dial UP the gas when you get fouling as it appears in your case. One of my buddies used to do this with on his Daniel Defense/SpecWar can once it started to give him dirty FTE's he opened up the Superlative Arms bleed off gas valve all the way and that got him cycling again.

If you have not spent time doing a tuning session with 1 round, can on and bolt lock back test you may want to try that. When you get a 'jamomatic' problem is it an FTF? FTE? Carrier hanging up on mag bolt catch(vs the actual bolt)? Sorry you are having issues it can be frustrating! This might be as easy as knowing you have the ability to push on through it by opening up your adjustable gas block. It'll be gassy in your face possibly and a bit more harsh on the recoil, but hopefully you can still keep poppin tha pigs!


I have the gas dialed up as high as it will go with the supplied Larue AGB. It is usually a failure to eject - the fired brass gets caught before it gets out the door. So you have a round trying to go into the chamber with brass sticking halfway out the ejection port. It doesn't do this until about 30ish rounds after a good cleaning session.
 
Why no 300 BLK ? It is specifically designed to meet your wants / needs - suppesses very well, but also runs excellent at 2200FPS + Perfect caliber for pigs / 'yotes.

Sig Virtus piston in 300BLK. I only run it suppressed and I never clean it. Folds up nice and small. QD 3-lug can mount.

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I would also polish the bore.
My gas block is only open 3 clicks and runs smooth. Doesn't beat up my brass either.
 
I have the gas dialed up as high as it will go with the supplied Larue AGB. It is usually a failure to eject - the fired brass gets caught before it gets out the door. So you have a round trying to go into the chamber with brass sticking halfway out the ejection port. It doesn't do this until about 30ish rounds after a good cleaning session.
Ok well poo. Ya know I might just call LaRue and see what they have to say something seems funky. Even before I spent a dime on trying to slow down the carrier/unlocking of the bolt. There are several options if you go that route, but might be interesting to hear what the boys at the shop have to say.

I just did a quick googles for 'larue obr suppressed malfunction':

 
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I use an 11.5” 5.56 and it’s suppressed full time. I haven’t cleaned it to date. Probably between 5-7k rounds through it. I haven’t kept track at all. Still hits behind the T2’s dot and groups well for a chrome lined SBR. I just add lube when it gets a little sluggish.

Look up Pat Rogers’ Filthy 14, if the bolt slows down just add lube.

I know I just gave someone a heart attack, but that’s what I use and it’s whacked its share of critters and the only malfunctions I experience with it are when I’m using old, beat to hell USGI mags that I know don’t feed 100% to begin with, ie training mags. With Lancers it hasn’t skipped a beat.

I shoot critters with 70gr TSX’s, everything else is PMC X-Tac 193 and 855.

I’d opine that the problem lies with the individual gun, not the can or the platform. Or, possibly not enough lube when it gets dirty.
 
Perhaps my reading skills are lacking, but have you tried multiple magazines by chance?
 
I use an 11.5” 5.56 and it’s suppressed full time. I haven’t cleaned it to date...Still hits behind the T2’s dot and groups well for a ... SBR. I just add lube when it gets a little sluggish...I shoot critters with 70gr TSX’s.

☝️ Same here with Sionics reduced gas port barrel.

Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel is an excellent option as well.

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