What's the longest you've hit with a 16" 6.5 creedmoor

1100 with my Christensen Arms BA Tactical VTAC, Berger 140 Factory ammo, NF NXS.

coryred797 said:

Just curious what the longest target you've hit with a 6.5 Creedmoor out of a 16" barrel. Specifically a 16" barrel. I'm hitting 8" group at 1000 yards with 140gr American gunner hornady BTHP factory ammo. Just curious what others have had experience with. I haven't had an opportunity to put yard lines out past 1000 yards, but I know I was all over the place at a mile.

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1760 with my 6x47 Lapua 16” Handgun and 2200 with my 28 Nosler 16” Handgun

1050 yards Ax suppressed 16.5" 6.5cm 123 Eld Hornady factory receipe.

1776 yds.
Once we were on, we went 70% on a full sized IPSC.

BulletScientist said:

1776 yds.
Once we were on, we went 70% on a full sized IPSC.

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Hang on a second...
Its late. Had a few beers and doing quick math.....
1 MOA at 100 yds is about 1 inch.
Youre at a hair under 1800 yds so roughly 18 inches......still 1 MOA....full width IPSC.

70 % Hits after a few shots to find steel......

You're a real Sniper Bro
I have to ask......What rig do you use ?

Is a 6.5 cm transonic or tumbeling at that distance ??

This is impressive

CygnusX1 said:

Hang on a second...
Its late. Had a few beers and doing quick math.....
1 MOA at 100 yds is about 1 inch.
Youre at a hair under 1800 yds so roughly 18 inches......still 1 MOA....full width IPSC.

70 % Hits after a few shots to find steel......

You're a real Sniper Bro
I have to ask......What rig do you use ?

Is a 6.5 cm transonic or tumbeling at that distance ??

This is impressive View attachment 7255240

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Haha! Thanks for the trophy bro!

It took me a minute to figure out why this was such a big deal. Then I realized. The post was for 16" barrels. Oops! Sorry guys, This was with a 24" RPR.

But now I want to try it with a 16!

Ruger Precision Rifle
0.75 MOA rifle
Federal Gold Medal 6.5 with Berger 130gr Hybrids
Bushnell XRS
Bushnell CONX rangefinder
Kestrel Elite with Applied Ballistics with custom drag function
Shoot Steel IPSC gong 18x30"

PS, but I am a sniper.

BulletScientist said:

PS, but I am a sniper.

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Well, you added even more fuel to that fire with that one.

Not trying to roast you, but your example is perfect to use to take a peek into the real reasons for some of the pushback people get with their claims.. Especially if they make it sound repeatable.

Having shot ELR for far too long, longer than it was popular, one constant seems to be popular. Just about everyone claims completive F-class results when they post what they do. The catch is, it's usually longer, with factory ammo and nowhere near the same level of equipment.

FYI ELR: Just due to optical issues, your gun is not going to have the same minute of angle as it is at 100, unless it was an anomaly. Now add in a bit off SD/ES.. and you're going not only to have a substantial vertical component but a hare more drift... Wait wind? I hope this makes sense.

Here is an example using a 130VLD - it is only a relative example and does NOT include any of the variables that cause the misses I mentioned above: FYI I generally think in mils but will use MOA and linear inches

Let's assume 2900 AFPS
Factory Ammo: SD 15 ES 50 over a couple of boxes -Typical excellent factory ammo
1800y
Wind mild 5mph FV



Now, if the mirage or dust in the air displaces the image .5MOA variance (that's ultra-low for mirage at that distance BTW), add 9.4" to the numbers above.

With a Max ORD of about 700 inches and 1800y, let's assume a minimal 2mph in wind variance during your day. As this academic example steps along, add 2" to the vertical and crazy horizontal 61.8"+14.11" or almost 76" of uncertainty on your 18" plate, without Velocity errors or the Optical uncertainty.

Below is an Analysis on a ZERO WIND Variance, No Optical variation and low very low factory MV variation (antidotal as it may be, I have never shot ELR without some variance of wind)


FWIW I am not saying that you didn't get lucky and bang the plate a bunch in a row, but the reality is it is not something that can happen all the time.

CygnusX1 said:

Hang on a second...
Its late. Had a few beers and doing quick math.....
1 MOA at 100 yds is about 1 inch.
Youre at a hair under 1800 yds so roughly 18 inches......still 1 MOA....full width IPSC.

70 % Hits after a few shots to find steel......

You're a real Sniper Bro
I have to ask......What rig do you use ?

Is a 6.5 cm transonic or tumbeling at that distance ??

This is impressive View attachment 7255240

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Tumbling? You’re kidding right?

1810 on good day with no wind or mirage. Most regular days around 1300 to 1500 yards.

Supersubes said:

Tumbling? You’re kidding right?

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I assumed transonic occured around 1400 yds so at almost 1800 yds, i figured the bullet would be tumbelling but still on its way to the target.....

Then again, I'm thinking in terms of factory ammo......and you probably reload yours

I also assume GIXXER2000 reloads too with 1810 yds

I don't own a 6.5 creedmore rig......yet
But I'm learning a lot in the "Hide" while I save for one

Yes reloading ELD-M 147'S 26in barrel 1-7 twist. tried the 150 SMK'S but the 147's just shot better..

Diver160651 said:

Well you added even more fuel to that fire with that one..

Not trying to roast you, but your example is perfect to use to take a peek into the realistic reasons for some of the pushback people get with their claims.. Especially if they make it sound repeatable..

Having shot ELR for far too long, longer that it was popular; one constant seems to be popular. Just about everyone claims completive F-class results when they post what they do. The catch is, it's usually longer, with factory ammo and nowhere near the same level of equipment.

FYI ELR: Just due to optical issues your gun is not going to have the same minute of angle as it is at 100, unless it was an anomaly. Now add in a bit off SD/ES.. and your going not only to have a huge vertical component but a hare more drift... Wait wind? Hope this makes sense..

Here is an example using a 130VLD - it is only a relative example and does NOT include any of the variables that cause the misses I mentioned above: FYI I generally think in mils but will use MOA and linear inches

Lets assume 2900 AFPS
Factory Ammo: SD 15 ES 50 over a couple boxes -Typical very good factory ammo
1800y
Wind mild 5mph FV

	AFPS	25 FPS change	Velocity ONLY based Change​	50 FPS change	Velocity ONLY based Change
Elevation Linear in inches	1707.8	1743.61	35.81+3/4MOA = 49.9"​	1780.12	72.32+3/4MOA = 86.43"​
Wind only from velocity variance	154.4	155.86	1.46 +14.11" =​	157.31	2.91+14.11​

Now if the mirage or dust in the air. displaces the image .5MOA variance (thats ultra low for mirage at that distance BTW) add 9.4" to the numbers above..

With a Max ORD of about 700 inches and 1800y lets assume a minimal 2mph in wind variance during your day. As this academic example steps along add 2" to the vertical and crazy horizontal 61.8"+14.11" or almost 76" of uncertainty on your 18" plate, without Velocity errors or the Optical uncertainty..

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Below is a Analysis on a ZERO WIND Variance, No Optical variation and low very low factory MV variation (antidotal as it may be, I have never shot ELR without some variance of wind)
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FWIW I am not saying that you didn't get lucky and bang the plate a bunch in a row, but the reality is it is not something that can happen all the time.

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What is the vel SD for a 70% hit probability?

BulletScientist said:

What is the vel SD for a 70% hit probability?

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0 wind 0 optical? Remember that any mirage, light refraction or optical offset is almost alway present at those distances is going to turn my .25MOA ELR gun, into a something like a .75MOA+ gun or much larger, even in a bench rest. Remember that your .75 RPR is probably really a 1.25MOA with ELR optical. But, 0 wind, 0 Optical, 0 SD and your sure to bang the plate all day

I can not imaging being 0 wind variation ever, even when we perceive it as windless.. especially over that distance and with a mx ord at 700+"

0 SD and .35mph (variance in wind -not sure thats even possible) with absolutely no other variables, gets you there. Just a 1mph wind shift, 0-SD and it's like 35%. 0-wind, 0 optical and 5SD and NO other variables, gets you there, but again nothing in this paragraph is realistic.

Again, not saying you didn't put together a great string.. Just is not going to be repeatable.. Just like my videos at 2000-2400y with shots uber close, who knowns, maybe the wind blew a big miss back into the target, it is more of an anomaly than every day.

coryred797 said:

Just curious what the longest target you've hit with a 6.5 Creedmoor out of a 16" barrel. Specifically a 16" barrel. I'm hitting 8" group at 1000 yards with 140gr American gunner hornady BTHP factory ammo. Just curious what others have had experience with. I haven't had an opportunity to put yard lines out past 1000 yards, but I know I was all over the place at a mile.

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1,175 yards ... LWRCI REPR MK2 Elite - 22" CF Barrel (Proof Research) ... Hornady ELD Match 147gr ... Athlon Cronus BTR 4.5-29 scope

Diver160651 said:

0 wind 0 optical? Remember that any mirage, light refraction or optical offset is almost alway present at those distances is going to turn my .25MOA ELR gun, into a something like a .75MOA+ gun or much larger, even in a bench rest. Remember that your .75 RPR is probably really a 1.25MOA with ELR optical. But, 0 wind, 0 Optical, 0 SD and your sure to bang the plate all day

I can not imaging being 0 wind variation ever, even when we perceive it as windless.. especially over that distance and with a mx ord at 700+"

0 SD and .35mph (variance in wind -not sure thats even possible) with absolutely no other variables, gets you there. Just a 1mph wind shift, 0-SD and it's like 35%. 0-wind, 0 optical and 5SD and NO other variables, gets you there, but again nothing in this paragraph is realistic.

Again, not saying you didn't put together a great string.. Just is not going to be repeatable.. Just like my videos at 2000-2400y with almost shots uber close, who knowns, maybe the wind blew a big miss back into the target, is more of an anomaly.

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All good science. Probability of my setup/conditions was likely far less than 70%. I'm sure there was lots of luck involved in my string. Great topic. Thanks for your work on this response.

This is what makes the hide what it is.

Good discussion and egos aside = people learn and teachers more willing to teach

I'm tagging in on this thread because I have gathered some barrels for a switch barrel setup and one is 22 inch 6.5CM I have been contemplating chopping to 16 inches (already have a 26 inch 6.5CM)

Thanks gents for sharing

coryred797 said:

Just curious what the longest target you've hit with a 6.5 Creedmoor out of a 16" barrel. Specifically a 16" barrel. I'm hitting 8" group at 1000 yards with 140gr American gunner hornady BTHP factory ammo. Just curious what others have had experience with. I haven't had an opportunity to put yard lines out past 1000 yards, but I know I was all over the place at a mile.

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8" group at 1000 yards? That's sub-MOA, sounds good to me.

This was with a 20" AI-AX 130gr Berger VLD @ 2850fps. 1760yds, the 5 shots have a horizontal spread of 18". You can obviously see it took a few to get my verticle hold just right. I think I was at 22 mils.


This vid is my AI-AT with 17" 6.5 creed barrel shooting 130gr JLK @ 2780fps.
I think its a 50 or 60% IPSC plate at 500yds. Pretty easy off a tripod.

1400 with an AI-AX 16 inch Bartlein. NF NX* on top. Hit 8/10 confirmed hits on a 20" plate at that distance. Probably could have gotten further, but the mirage was so awful we were having a hell of a time seeing hits

We hit the Mile shot with 6.5CM out of a 24 inch Bergara on Sunday. But not with Am Gunner thats for sure. Hornady Match 147 grain fodder. Talking about variables and mirage, the last two times we went to the mile spot we did it later in the morning and the mirage kicked up and so did the wind, and we got our asses handed to us. I mean HANDED.

Went first thing in the AM and made hits with 6.5 and 300Winny. Variables rule, Wind and Mirage dominate.

PB

I’ve shot a 6.5CM PWS AR (20” I think) numerous times a bit past a mile with factory ammo on a 24”x24” plate with decent results.

^^ awesome hits with an AR

And for those who have not attempted shots this far.....external environment factors like mentioned above will wreck your shit..........shooting inside 1000 yards with 6.5CM is easy compared to shots past 1500.........good luck to all

If you don't have dry dirt or hit indicators like magnetospeed ......bring your A game and an experienced spotter with good glass

I'd also recommend knowing if wind conditions at shooting location will alter audible feedback. Where I shoot wind can make or break audible feedback with 6.5CM at 1600-1760 yards