When you are so insane you try to get the police to kill you but they don't oblige

I wouldn’t have shot her.



I’d have run her over.
Less paperwork. Don’t have to clean gun.

Loonhunter said:

I wouldn’t have shot her.



I’d have run her over.
Less paperwork. Don’t have to clean gun.

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another insane asylum candidate.

Whack her before she can reproduce.

She shoulda had a Ginsu.



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And he shoulda had some cool Boolitz with X's on them. ?

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Now THAT'S a bumper sticker WORTH having!

Okay, I know she's a girl and all, but that was seriously the girliest looking run I ever seen!

Hell, I'd rather have a T-Shirt. ?

Just taser her right away when she doesn’t drop it

Sniperwannabee said:

Just taser her right away when she doesn’t drop it

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We talked about this scenario a bit ago here at work, of course from the security of the Sunday Quarterback Chair, and my gut response was hit her with the X26 as soon as she brandished it, or even as soon as she lifted her shirt before pulling it. Or a bean bag. 1 bean bag on her at that distance? Owie. Game over, next call...............

1J04 said:

We talked about this scenario a bit ago here at work, of course from the security of the Sunday Quarterback Chair, and my gut response was hit her with the X26 as soon as she brandished it, or even as soon as she lifted her shirt before pulling it. Or a bean bag. 1 bean bag on her at that distance? Owie. Game over, next call...............

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The dept said that the backup officer had a less lethal shotgun, but since she forced things by running towards the primary officer, he didn’t have time to deploy it. Too bad, probably woulda changed the outcome.

Lot of ignorance being thrown round here ;-) The situation couldn't have been avoided with the tools available to the contact officer, she's fortunate she's alive and that they were so professional.

Supersubes said:

The dept said that the backup officer had a less lethal shotgun, but since she forced things by running towards the primary officer, he didn’t have time to deploy it. Too bad, probably woulda changed the outcome.

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Rubber slug to the tuna can would have been awesome.

if we disarmed the government agents we wouldn't have people getting the idea they could goad them into shooting them.

they would have to find a more traditional way to off themselves,, or maybe nobody would care.

Spblademaker said:

Rubber slug to the tuna can would have been awesome.

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Certainly that would have been more entertaining!

She probably didn't have the guts to kill herself...so she decided the only alternative was 'suicide by cop'.

hmmm you getting ideas again emoboy?

Erno86 said:

She probably didn't have the guts to kill herself...so she decided the only alternative was 'suicide by cop'.

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Erno86 said:

She probably didn't have the guts to kill herself...so she decided the only alternative was 'suicide by cop'.

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ArmyJerry said:

hmmm you getting ideas again emoboy?

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Perish the thought... ☠

Body cam video:




This is a perfect and textbook example of a good shoot. This same case is being discussed elsewhere too and I have seen a lot of armchair quarterback comments ranging from those suggesting that the officer should have kept retreating and waited for his backup to arrive with the less-lethal devices, to the derp ones saying that he should have fired warning shots or even shot/karate kicked the knife out of her hand. WTF.

As soon as the knife was involved, it is game over. Period. End of the fucking story. Tasers, beanbags, all that other shit is out of the scene as soon as a knife is pulled. That is why those people proposing fantasyland solutions for such a situation most likely have never been involved in life or death altercations where edged weapons are used. I have attended numerous knife defense and combatives courses when I was younger. Did those make me a better "knife fighter"? No, but they have pretty much drilled the fact into me that I DO NOT want to face a knife unarmed. And the gory videos/images showing the aftermath of knife altercations on Ogrish, ISmokeCrack, and other sites confirmed it. Pull a knife on me and I am immediately shooting until the threat has been terminated. And I am pretty sure that is standard operating procedure in LE interactions with edged weapons too.

For those who might try to use the angle of: "She's a girl, not a professional knife fighter. What is she going to do to you?", whoah buddy think again. I have spoken to numerous LE and former LE at ranges and gun store BS sessions and they have all said that some of the most difficult to detain and subdue cases were female EDP's. There are guys on premature retirement and pension, who have been permanently injured on duty from kicks to the gonads because they allowed their guard to slip since they were just dealing "with a girl".

For just an example of the dangers of such miscalculation, check out this case right here: Drunk chick attacks adult male with a pair of stiletto shoes and nearly kills him. Don't ever fucking let your guard down because of assumption errors. Because assumptions are almost always wrong.

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So many first-string armchair quarterbacks...

Loonhunter said:

I wouldn’t have shot her.



I’d have run her over.
Less paperwork. Don’t have to clean gun.

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Well......thats a little cold, dont'cha think ?

I have worked with OPD in the past and it was a good shoot in my opinion. Had it been LAPD or any other agency, like VPD (ventura police dept), they would have emptied their mag on the girl and reloaded until empty.

Good shoot. The ONLY think I could possibly comment on is that (in my own opinion) that officer needs some range practice. Some may think that 'cold', but it don't get much "real'er" than what you see in the video.

ArmyJerry said:

another insane asylum candidate.

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i think you mean liberal.

Democrat, The fact they stole that name doesn't make them so.

Sean the Nailer said:

Good shoot. The ONLY think I could possibly comment on is that (in my own opinion) that officer needs some range practice. Some may think that 'cold', but it don't get much "real'er" than what you see in the video.

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You are 100% spot on. There is nothing "cold" about taking the necessary precautions to keep yourself out of harm's way. They simply do not do the 21-foot rule for no reason. Police officers and corrections officers, even those with sidearms already drawn on an armed perp, have been killed or seriously injured because they allowed the knife in the perp's grasp to slip from their attention. No first responder is morally or legally obligated to die or lose limbs and suffer massive injuries just because the subject "did not possess a force equalizer", ie., a firearm.

One thing that is for certain: I would much rather have a gun pointed at me than a knife. A pistol only projects damage in the direction it is pointed at. A knife only has to be in the way for it to cause potentially lethal damage. Here are some basic contact force exercises to illustrate just how dangerous this is. If someone were to place a kick in your direction right now, can you block it? You might not be able to, if your parry does not have enough force behind it, but it is guaranteed that your hand will be able to make contact with some part of his leg. Now imagine you got a knife in that same hand. BAM! Now you have severed the femoral artery and the person who delivered that kick is quickly bleeding out. Same with a frontal fist/shove attack or grapple. You will still be able to reach up and make contact with his chest, arms or neck in order to block or parry him out of the way. Now if you got a knife clutched in your hand while you are doing that, you WILL be inflicting massive and potentially fatal injuries to the assailant, whether intentional or accidental. Knives only need to make contact in order to be dangerous.

That is why the old saying: "There is no such thing as knife fighting. The loser of a knife fight dies in the street and the winner bleeds to death in the hospital" has held true for as long as "knife defense" has been around. For thousands of years right up until the advent of powerful firearms, nations have dedicated and exhausted their efforts to finding the most reliable defense against edged weapons. From chain mail to the shield to articulated plate and scale armor. The emblems and heraldry on a lot of countries' flags still reflect this today. Once a knife is involved, all nonlethal and nonviolent deescalation strategies are out of the window. Your life is in immediate danger and you are justified in stopping the threat. No "wounding" or "warning" shots. Center mass or head shots until subject is no longer a threat.

what i am struck by is how professional that cop was. in such a high stress situation, for him to remain as calm as he did and immediately treat her wounds was impressive.

her mind was made up she wanted to die. I would have tried 2 knee-capping shots at 20 yards.
If I missed, when she charged I would then go for the torso.

shootist2004 said:

her mind was made up she wanted to die. I would have tried 2 knee-capping shots at 20 yards.
If I missed, when she charged I would then go for the torso.

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you’re kidding, right? you try kneecapping someone running at you with a knife, and you are going to get cut up.

as far as her mind being made up? yes it was....right up until she got shot. when that slug hit her, all the imagined glamour was gone and suddenly she was sorry. funny how that works.

the 21 foot rule is about 7 yards.................I said 20. reading comprehension is your friend.

Yeah, well I would have tried two pinkie toe shots at 25 yards, then shot her index finger and thumb off at 22 yards, making her stop running and then drop the knife. But I wasn’t there,so.....




You douche nozzle....

that cop played that PERFECTLY and still folks come in and say how he coulda done it better.

you talk about comprehension? you suggest you’da kneecapped her.....promoting the idea of firing shots without thinking it warrented deadly force. you would be eaten alive in court...IF you survived long enough to get there. it is exactly that kind of stupid thinking that gets people in deep shit.

if it isnt necessary to use lethal force, and you start popping off bullets trying to be mr. fancypants...and one of those bullets hit someone else? or the district attorney reviews the case, and your statement of events...you aint going to do so well with your kneecapping hogwash.

Flintdog2011 said:

Yeah, well I would have tried two pinkie toe shots at 25 yards, then shot her index finger and thumb off at 22 yards, making her stop running and then drop the knife. But I wasn’t there,so.....




You douche nozzle....

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you're right............just waste the poor depressed girl and get it over with. you've obviously never taken a life before.
why not give her a chance? If you can't hit someone in the leg at 20 yards why are you on this site? yours truly...douche nozzle

You know nothing about me, but your lack of basic common sense tells me a lot about you. Just stop while you’re behind....

i wonder why it is that ‘shooting them in the leg’ crap isnt taught widely in LEO and military circles?

CAUSE IT’S STUPID THINKING. like @Flintdog2011 said....you might want to quit. the #1 rule about realizing you are in a hole...is to stop digging.

myronman3 said:

that cop played that PERFECTLY and still folks come in and say how he coulda done it better.

you talk about comprehension? you suggest you’da kneecapped her.....promoting the idea of firing shots without thinking it warrented deadly force. you would be eaten alive in court...IF you survived long enough to get there. it is exactly that kind of stupid thinking that gets people in deep shit.

if it isnt necessary to use lethal force, and you start popping off bullets trying to be mr. fancypants...and one of those bullets hit someone else? or the district attorney reviews the case, and your statement of events...you aint going to do so well with your kneecapping hogwash.

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You'd be surprised at just how much misinformation and potentially disastrous "legal" advice are still being propagated out there when it comes to defensive firearm use. Not 10 minutes had passed when I first started doing the Twitter thing when I got into a pretty heated discussion with several fellows who insisted on "fire a warning shot first and if they don't turn and leave, then shoot them in the limbs". Whoah, hold the fuck up there ......That is advice that will get someone into a FUCK TON of legal trouble if they ever have to deploy a firearm in a defensive situation. First off, "warning shots" by themselves are highly fucking illegal in almost all jurisdictions. There had been an entire megathread on The Firing Line's Tactics and Training board debunking this old watering hole tale that you should use "warning shots" to "scare" off an aggressor. Complete with textbook cases on how several homeowners and CCW'ers have lost their gun rights and faced pretty stiff legal charges because they had fired a warning shot in an SD situation. Reckless endangerment and felony assault with a deadly weapon are just some of the colorful charges you may face for firing a gun for no good reason. And if that bullet strikes a person or damages property at the end of it's travel, you pretty much just jumped into a river full of piranhas with bleeding sores on your legs.

If you must pull that trigger, it means that your life, or the life of another innocent person is in immediate danger. If you have the time to shoot to "wound" or "warn" the perp, that means you are NOT in imminent danger and have no reason to shoot in the first place. You shoot to stop the threat in it's tracks, and you are very much still accountable for every bullet that you fire.

It is scary how so many people, many who are gun owners, are still unfamiliar with how laws pertaining to justifiable lethal force and the use of firearms to stop an imminent threat works.

yup...and it’s on full display here.

You want cops to kill you? Shoot them first. Works every time! Well, unless you manage to shoot all the ones there. Then I guess you have to pick up their mike and key it saying,"Send more cops" Bottom line is, a knife won't get you killed these days, you literally have to shoot at them.?

shootist2004 said:

you're right............just waste the poor depressed girl and get it over with. you've obviously never taken a life before.
why not give her a chance? If you can't hit someone in the leg at 20 yards why are you on this site? yours truly...douche nozzle

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Correct me if Im wrong but what hes trying to explain to you is that had he shot her (in the leg) while she was standing still (which anyone could do) he would have been a world of shit from the court. To try for a leg shot while shes charging you is just about as stupid as suicide and he would have been in a world of shit from that knife.

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