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Worst trade ever.

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    This will go into history as one of the worst trades ever, but the heart wants what the heart wants. I traded my McMillan stocked, US optics ST-10 scoped M40A1 for this Gwinn Bushmaster,

    My M40A1
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    The Bushmaster Arm Pistol was a 5.56×45mm NATO firearm, categorizeable as either a long pistol (under the American legal definition of a pistol) or compact carbine rifle, produced by the Gwinn Firearms Company, and later Bushmaster Firearms Inc. The firearm was a new design, having a tipping-block bolt system combined with a long stroke piston system similar to the AK-47 rifle.[2][3]

    Some AR-15 parts were used in its construction and it used STANAG type magazines.[4]

    Production ceased in 1988 for the pistol variant and 1991 for the rifle following Bushmaster's acquisition by the Quality Products Company
     
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    This will go into history as one of the worst trades ever, but the heart wants what the heart wants. I traded my McMillan stocked, US optics ST-10 scoped M40A1 for this Gwinn Bushmaster,

    My M40A1

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    Gwinn Bushmaster

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    The Bushmaster Arm Pistol was a 5.56×45mm NATO firearm, categorizeable as either a long pistol (under the American legal definition of a pistol) or compact carbine rifle, produced by the Gwinn Firearms Company, and later Bushmaster Firearms Inc. The firearm was a new design, having a tipping-block bolt system combined with a long stroke piston system similar to the AK-47 rifle.[2][3]

    Some AR-15 parts were used in its construction and it used STANAG type magazines.[4]

    Production ceased in 1988 for the pistol variant and 1991 for the rifle following Bushmaster's acquisition by the Quality Products Company
    Nooooooo.....Why!???
    That A1 was gorgeous!
    DW
     
    I remember when those were a relatively common item at gun shows. Never got to shoot one, but did shoot a friend's M17S, the weird extruded bullpup they made.
     
    I remember when those were a relatively common item at gun shows. Never got to shoot one, but did shoot a friend's M17S, the weird extruded bullpup they made.
    I had one c. 1989. Bought at the Raleigh Gun show for, I think, $200 used?

    I remember it was made in Bangor Maine which was near home-ish. And the pistol grip rotated which was weird.

    I felt lucky to trade it for a Ruger Mini 14… if I recall correctly. Maybe I should have kept it??? I don’t think I had it a month. It was a goofy gun bought on impulse… because it reminded me of a Steyr AUG and good luck affording one of those even before the AWB.

    I forgot those things existed.

    Sirhr
     
    I had one c. 1989. Bought at the Raleigh Gun show for, I think, $200 used?

    I remember it was made in Bangor Maine which was near home-ish. And the pistol grip rotated which was weird.

    I felt lucky to trade it for a Ruger Mini 14… if I recall correctly. Maybe I should have kept it??? I don’t think I had it a month. It was a goofy gun bought on impulse… because it reminded me of a Steyr AUG and good luck affording one of those even before the AWB.

    I forgot those things existed.

    Sirhr
    My custom Steyr Aug clone like those used by the Austrian Jagdkommando with Steyr Aug A4 scope and Zeiss Z point on top. The large weapon light is a Rheinmetall LLM-01...$3000. Well, mine is a much cheaper copy.

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    Oh, and "I forgot those things existed"...evidently, they don't any more. Hence the ridiculous price.

    And, on a final note, I think the Israeli Tavor puts the Aug to shame.
     
    I just looked one up… holy crap, there are people asking $10k for them?

    Wow. Guess that Mini 14 was not such a deal!

    It’s still goofy!

    Sirhr
    I've never heard of these guns, but they look pretty cool! Is this the same thing? What's the difference between a $10k one and this one that's under $3k?

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/914304481

    I kinda want one now, lol
     
    This will go into history as one of the worst trades ever, but the heart wants what the heart wants. I traded my McMillan stocked, US optics ST-10 scoped M40A1 for this Gwinn Bushmaster,

    My M40A1
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    Gwinn Bushmaster

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    The Bushmaster Arm Pistol was a 5.56×45mm NATO firearm, categorizeable as either a long pistol (under the American legal definition of a pistol) or compact carbine rifle, produced by the Gwinn Firearms Company, and later Bushmaster Firearms Inc. The firearm was a new design, having a tipping-block bolt system combined with a long stroke piston system similar to the AK-47 rifle.[2][3]

    Some AR-15 parts were used in its construction and it used STANAG type magazines.[4]

    Production ceased in 1988 for the pistol variant and 1991 for the rifle following Bushmaster's acquisition by the Quality Products Company
    This will go into history as one of the worst trades ever, but the heart wants what the heart wants. I traded my McMillan stocked, US optics ST-10 scoped M40A1 for this Gwinn Bushmaster,

    My M40A1
    View attachment 7738481

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    Gwinn Bushmaster

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    The Bushmaster Arm Pistol was a 5.56×45mm NATO firearm, categorizeable as either a long pistol (under the American legal definition of a pistol) or compact carbine rifle, produced by the Gwinn Firearms Company, and later Bushmaster Firearms Inc. The firearm was a new design, having a tipping-block bolt system combined with a long stroke piston system similar to the AK-47 rifle.[2][3]

    Some AR-15 parts were used in its construction and it used STANAG type magazines.[4]

    Production ceased in 1988 for the pistol variant and 1991 for the rifle following Bushmaster's acquisition by the Quality Products Company
    If you're happy, all that counts.
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    I have a lower receiver, a barrel, and some other small parts for one of these I’ve been hanging onto for 25 years. Had always planned on doing some sort of Frankenstein with them.
     
    Didn't you already build one of those under the category of "Preventing Prison Rape Field Expedient Weapon".

    Kind of a version of the Phillipine Guerilla shotgun.
     
    I had one c. 1989. Bought at the Raleigh Gun show for, I think, $200 used?

    I remember it was made in Bangor Maine which was near home-ish. And the pistol grip rotated which was weird.

    I felt lucky to trade it for a Ruger Mini 14… if I recall correctly. Maybe I should have kept it??? I don’t think I had it a month. It was a goofy gun bought on impulse… because it reminded me of a Steyr AUG and good luck affording one of those even before the AWB.

    I forgot those things existed.

    Sirhr

    Anything you trade away to receive a mini 14 is a shame and should be viewed as a loss. I traded a lever gun in 357 for a mini 14 around the millennium. What a piece of unmitigated garbage. Screw bill ruger
     
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    With greatest respect Charger... you're totally off on this.

    First, Bill Ruger Jr. was a friend for almost 20 years before he passed 18 months or so ago. He was a true gentleman, philanthropist and supporter of more good causes than you can imagine. When 2008 took the guts out of the construction industry in USA... Bill personally restored a mill in New Hampshire to keep hundreds of construction trades employed in Newport... until the market bounced back. His factories not only included Ruger assembly, but Pine Tree Castings... which is a highly-innovative facility that serves a worldwide market with state of the art casting techniques. And dozens of feeder and support shops. He employed thousands IN New Hampshire... not overseas. Where he refused to outsource even when lots of others were doing it. I only met his dad a couple of times and he was wheelchair-bound and not doing well in the early 2000's... so I can't comment on Sr. But if he raised the kind of a son that Bill Jr. was, he had to be a good man as well.

    Second, Ruger has done an amazing job of putting affordable, highest-quality firearms in people's hands through innovative design and advanced manufacturing and engineering processes that have rippled through the whole of the gun industry in postitive ways. Ruger has led the way in so many areas, I won't even begin to list. But if you go back to my (Scout) review of the RPR rifle a few years ago, I did a pretty exhaustive description of how they 'did what they did' with the RPR and what things they pioneered leading to their ability to deliver that price/performance package. Are their guns London Best Holland & Holland or Boss? No. Not intended to be. But if you could not afford a Citori or a Superposed or another high-quality O/U back in the '80s... there was the Red Label. Beautiful and built like a tank. Wanted 'any' Dropping block back then? The Ruger No. 1 (and No. 3) are still the basis for more customs than one can count. How many shooters have taken up target shooting with a dead-nuts accurate and reliable Mk II Bull Barrel? Is the Blackhawk junk? I don't think so... it out-performs the SAA in every category... and was 1/4 the price of an SAA. Ruger found an important niche in firearms. And filled it brilliantly. With affordable highest-quality guns that they probably could have charged more for. But chose the volume route instead... long before people were making things out of plastic, they found ways to do metal... affordably.

    Last, The Mini 14 was certainly not the epitome of the gunmakers art. But it was a hell of a lot better than that Bushmaster thingie... which is only making thousands of dollars on the collectors market... because it's rare. Which is why I was happy to get a Mini 14 for it. Which, while totally reliable, would shoot minute of softball, rattle like a pissed off snake and had a stock that looked like it was made out of a fencepost. But it was a better .223 Semi than the Gwinn... and later it helped me trade up to the gun I really wanted (and still have) a Colt CAR-15. Which, in all honesty, is made 'cheaper' than the Mini-14. Has even less fit and 'finish.' But it does say Colt and, hey, it was an AR in 1990. Noone else had one then. So I was cool.

    Ruger is a fine company. Bill Ruger was an amazing gentleman... collected guns, the finest cars, live artillery (a whole floor of cool stuff at his mill building) and paintings/art, watches, sculpture. He hunted all over the world and helped create an amazing hunting club in NH. Knew wine, food, bourbon and cigars like nobody's business. Yeah, if I wanted to ever grow up, I'd want to grow up to be Bill Ruger. Who never really grew up. His toys just got better. Another admirable trait! That sort of sounds familiar.

    So while you are entitled to your opinion... I am happy to vehemently disagree with it.

    Sirhr
     
    I Love my Mini. For a long time it was the only modern gun I owned. Over the years I've shot the barrel out of it so I don't shoot it as often as I used to , but it'll still shoot minute of coyote. I'd hate to guess how many song dogs have fallen to that rifle over the years and it NEVER failed me
     
    I Love my Mini. For a long time it was the only modern gun I owned. Over the years I've shot the barrel out of it so I don't shoot it as often as I used to , but it'll still shoot minute of coyote. I'd hate to guess how many song dogs have fallen to that rifle over the years and it NEVER failed me
    mini 14 = the A team.....
    I remembered they fired lots of rounds, but never hit anybody with them.. hmmmmm ;)
     
    Best Mini -14 review I ever read....

    Post target at 100 yards.

    Place hula hoop at 1430 on ground.

    Fire magazine at target.

    Observe that fall of brass in hula hoop is a tighter group than shots on paper.
    :oops: Well, maybe.
    But my story gets even better. I bought a B-Square and hung a fixed 4X Tasco on it... But I had an excuse. I was a broke 20 something farmer with 4 kids to feed without 2 nickels to rub together and I just needed a cheap tool to kill the coyotes that were killing my pigs.

    At least I didn't trade a custom M40a1 for it. :rolleyes:

    ;):)
     
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    With greatest respect Charger... you're totally off on this.

    First, Bill Ruger Jr. was a friend for almost 20 years before he passed 18 months or so ago. He was a true gentleman, philanthropist and supporter of more good causes than you can imagine. When 2008 took the guts out of the construction industry in USA... Bill personally restored a mill in New Hampshire to keep hundreds of construction trades employed in Newport... until the market bounced back. His factories not only included Ruger assembly, but Pine Tree Castings... which is a highly-innovative facility that serves a worldwide market with state of the art casting techniques. And dozens of feeder and support shops. He employed thousands IN New Hampshire... not overseas. Where he refused to outsource even when lots of others were doing it. I only met his dad a couple of times and he was wheelchair-bound and not doing well in the early 2000's... so I can't comment on Sr. But if he raised the kind of a son that Bill Jr. was, he had to be a good man as well.

    Second, Ruger has done an amazing job of putting affordable, highest-quality firearms in people's hands through innovative design and advanced manufacturing and engineering processes that have rippled through the whole of the gun industry in postitive ways. Ruger has led the way in so many areas, I won't even begin to list. But if you go back to my (Scout) review of the RPR rifle a few years ago, I did a pretty exhaustive description of how they 'did what they did' with the RPR and what things they pioneered leading to their ability to deliver that price/performance package. Are their guns London Best Holland & Holland or Boss? No. Not intended to be. But if you could not afford a Citori or a Superposed or another high-quality O/U back in the '80s... there was the Red Label. Beautiful and built like a tank. Wanted 'any' Dropping block back then? The Ruger No. 1 (and No. 3) are still the basis for more customs than one can count. How many shooters have taken up target shooting with a dead-nuts accurate and reliable Mk II Bull Barrel? Is the Blackhawk junk? I don't think so... it out-performs the SAA in every category... and was 1/4 the price of an SAA. Ruger found an important niche in firearms. And filled it brilliantly. With affordable highest-quality guns that they probably could have charged more for. But chose the volume route instead... long before people were making things out of plastic, they found ways to do metal... affordably.

    Last, The Mini 14 was certainly not the epitome of the gunmakers art. But it was a hell of a lot better than that Bushmaster thingie... which is only making thousands of dollars on the collectors market... because it's rare. Which is why I was happy to get a Mini 14 for it. Which, while totally reliable, would shoot minute of softball, rattle like a pissed off snake and had a stock that looked like it was made out of a fencepost. But it was a better .223 Semi than the Gwinn... and later it helped me trade up to the gun I really wanted (and still have) a Colt CAR-15. Which, in all honesty, is made 'cheaper' than the Mini-14. Has even less fit and 'finish.' But it does say Colt and, hey, it was an AR in 1990. Noone else had one then. So I was cool.

    Ruger is a fine company. Bill Ruger was an amazing gentleman... collected guns, the finest cars, live artillery (a whole floor of cool stuff at his mill building) and paintings/art, watches, sculpture. He hunted all over the world and helped create an amazing hunting club in NH. Knew wine, food, bourbon and cigars like nobody's business. Yeah, if I wanted to ever grow up, I'd want to grow up to be Bill Ruger. Who never really grew up. His toys just got better. Another admirable trait! That sort of sounds familiar.

    So while you are entitled to your opinion... I am happy to vehemently disagree with it.

    Sirhr

    @sirhrmechanic I appreciate the response and as always, I have nothing but respect for you, as well. And I don't think we really disagree on much, if anything. I own many Rugers, my first rifle was a n RSI M77 in 250 Savage. What an incredible deer rifle and awesome piece of craftsmanship mixed with art and as a tribute to guns of the past.

    I, too, passed my Mini 14 along for a Colt AR. It was way before ARs were widely "accepted" and before much or anything was talked about on the interwebs like now. My father was military in the 60s, stationed in SE Asia before Vietnam kicked off. He was part of a unit that tested the M16 and he discussed with me his routine for what they did. about the time i was interested in the AR, he pushed me to get a Colt, because his view at that time was it was superior in quality to the other manufacturers of the ban era, ie Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA, Olympic. So coming across a very well maintained Colt 6700 HBAR 20" with scope and all the fixins for not much more over what i could dump the Mini for, i was thrilled. still thrilled with it, the gun shoots well. i did only one mod and that was threading the barrel as it was a ban era gun.

    as to other Ruger guns, i still do own a formerly abused Ruger MkII (really the gold star and pinnacle of rimfire pistols), mannlicher 10/22, 1957 3 screw Vaquero in 357, and my trusty Model 77.

    I have no doubts Ruger Jr was a fantastic guy. Your testament on this is all i need to be convinced. my beef isnt with him, its with his father.

    For all the great innovations in firearms and manufacturing Bill Ruger Sr accomplished, what many people forget over the recent years since is that Bill Ruger Sr. wrote and promoted the hi cap mag ban in 1989 that was eventually included in the 1994 AWB. He pushed it to Congress, both chambers, and tried to get others in the gun community to back him. He did it to try and save his Mini rifles, or so he said. But we all know it was incredibly foolish, as compromising with the gun banners will never work. and then I was even more mad that he screwed us to try and save his minute-of-Chevy-Van , M14 bastardization.

    Anyhow, my disdain for the mini 14 is personal (not based on internet hearsay) because I owned a 14 and a 30 and wanted to love them both. I really tried. But in the end, it was not meant to be and I find myself really wishing I had that sweet little lever 357 back.
     
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    Minute of deer chest @ up to 200 meters, when you have not just fired off 40-50 rounds; minute of pig chest up to about 75 metres; the latter being the maximum practical hunting range of any Ruger 44 Magnum Carbine - self-loading, live-action or turn bolt-action!
    There is a reason why the scope-friendly version is called the Ranch Rifle.
     
    that bushmaster looks delightfully terrible....and you absolutely made the right call in trading for it!

    M40A1's.....while awesome rifles....are boring as fuck.

    the bushmaster is an oddball and looks fun as hell.
     
    Wow, I turned down a Gwinn ARM pistol for $400 bucks about 20 years ago. It looked like a stupid idea then and it still is completely unappealing to me.

    If your plan was to flip it and make money post back later and tell us how you did.
     
    @buffalowinter I was able to handle one of the Bushmaster "Assault Rifles" that one of my god sons had acquired last year. An interesting piece of modern firearms history, albeit a huge piece of shit that would not make it through a single magazine without multiple stoppages.
    I'd be really curious to know if your trade is any better?
     
    I would rather have the bolt gun but if the Bushmaster is what you wanted then glad you found one.

    Bach in the 90s, I had a Bushmaster catalog with one of those in it but I think I threw it away during a move. They were interesting but I never saw a good reason to own one years ago, and apparently nobody else did either.
     
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    Haven't picked it up yet, no plans to flip it. Halfnutz I'll make it work if it has any problems. I'll post a video late this week or next.
    I have no doubt that you will make it work, we've had a taste of what you can do.
    Our specimen was sans a rear sight replaced by a cheap red dot when he got it from a coworker. My Godson is a great kid, hard working, just not financially secure. He sold it for profit and I hooked him up with an extra AR at a bargain price.
     
    This will go into history as one of the worst trades ever, but the heart wants what the heart wants. I traded my McMillan stocked, US optics ST-10 scoped M40A1 for this Gwinn Bushmaster,

    My M40A1
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    The Bushmaster Arm Pistol was a 5.56×45mm NATO firearm, categorizeable as either a long pistol (under the American legal definition of a pistol) or compact carbine rifle, produced by the Gwinn Firearms Company, and later Bushmaster Firearms Inc. The firearm was a new design, having a tipping-block bolt system combined with a long stroke piston system similar to the AK-47 rifle.[2][3]

    Some AR-15 parts were used in its construction and it used STANAG type magazines.[4]

    Production ceased in 1988 for the pistol variant and 1991 for the rifle following Bushmaster's acquisition by the Quality Products Company
    If you want your A1 back, it's for sale on Guns International for $4495.00
    DW
     
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    With greatest respect Charger... you're totally off on this.

    First, Bill Ruger Jr. was a friend for almost 20 years before he passed 18 months or so ago. He was a true gentleman, philanthropist and supporter of more good causes than you can imagine. When 2008 took the guts out of the construction industry in USA... Bill personally restored a mill in New Hampshire to keep hundreds of construction trades employed in Newport... until the market bounced back. His factories not only included Ruger assembly, but Pine Tree Castings... which is a highly-innovative facility that serves a worldwide market with state of the art casting techniques. And dozens of feeder and support shops. He employed thousands IN New Hampshire... not overseas. Where he refused to outsource even when lots of others were doing it. I only met his dad a couple of times and he was wheelchair-bound and not doing well in the early 2000's... so I can't comment on Sr. But if he raised the kind of a son that Bill Jr. was, he had to be a good man as well.

    Second, Ruger has done an amazing job of putting affordable, highest-quality firearms in people's hands through innovative design and advanced manufacturing and engineering processes that have rippled through the whole of the gun industry in postitive ways. Ruger has led the way in so many areas, I won't even begin to list. But if you go back to my (Scout) review of the RPR rifle a few years ago, I did a pretty exhaustive description of how they 'did what they did' with the RPR and what things they pioneered leading to their ability to deliver that price/performance package. Are their guns London Best Holland & Holland or Boss? No. Not intended to be. But if you could not afford a Citori or a Superposed or another high-quality O/U back in the '80s... there was the Red Label. Beautiful and built like a tank. Wanted 'any' Dropping block back then? The Ruger No. 1 (and No. 3) are still the basis for more customs than one can count. How many shooters have taken up target shooting with a dead-nuts accurate and reliable Mk II Bull Barrel? Is the Blackhawk junk? I don't think so... it out-performs the SAA in every category... and was 1/4 the price of an SAA. Ruger found an important niche in firearms. And filled it brilliantly. With affordable highest-quality guns that they probably could have charged more for. But chose the volume route instead... long before people were making things out of plastic, they found ways to do metal... affordably.

    Last, The Mini 14 was certainly not the epitome of the gunmakers art. But it was a hell of a lot better than that Bushmaster thingie... which is only making thousands of dollars on the collectors market... because it's rare. Which is why I was happy to get a Mini 14 for it. Which, while totally reliable, would shoot minute of softball, rattle like a pissed off snake and had a stock that looked like it was made out of a fencepost. But it was a better .223 Semi than the Gwinn... and later it helped me trade up to the gun I really wanted (and still have) a Colt CAR-15. Which, in all honesty, is made 'cheaper' than the Mini-14. Has even less fit and 'finish.' But it does say Colt and, hey, it was an AR in 1990. Noone else had one then. So I was cool.

    Ruger is a fine company. Bill Ruger was an amazing gentleman... collected guns, the finest cars, live artillery (a whole floor of cool stuff at his mill building) and paintings/art, watches, sculpture. He hunted all over the world and helped create an amazing hunting club in NH. Knew wine, food, bourbon and cigars like nobody's business. Yeah, if I wanted to ever grow up, I'd want to grow up to be Bill Ruger. Who never really grew up. His toys just got better. Another admirable trait! That sort of sounds familiar.

    So while you are entitled to your opinion... I am happy to vehemently disagree with it.

    Sirhr

    A Ruger…Enough Said

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    Bushmaster was in Windham, ME, about 2hrs south of Bangor. I grew up about 30 miles south of Bangor. When Remington bought out BFI and moved them to Ilion, NY the guy who started BFI had his no-compete expire at about the same time, and re-hired a bunch of the BFI folks who didn't want to go to NY and started Windham Weaponry.
    I remember stopping in there in the very-early 90s and talking to a couple folks, including Izzy Anzaldua. IIRC, he is former 7th SFG(A). At the time, they were developing the bullpup rifles and pistol. Got to see them there, but haven't since.
    They were VERY interested in my CLE Bushmaster A2 across-the-course rifle (I was shooting Navy Rifle Team at the time). Funny ... their 2-stage trigger sure looked alot like Frank White's ... albeit without the carbide sear face Frank put on his.
     
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