Rifle Scopes Which Vortex Razor HD Reticle ?

[paraman1]

I can't decide between the EBR-2 MRAD and the EBR-3 MRAD reticle . Anyone want to try and talk me into one or the other ? I have a IOR 3-18 SH edition so the EBR-3 is closer to what I already have but the EBR-2 looks like it could be the heat for shooting holdovers in the wind .

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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i opted for the ebr 2 because it has a open center and i like that alot for really precise aiming point. honestly how often do you use holdover for elevation and windage? i will let you know if i made a good decision next week when the razor shows up. their is a screamin deal on a ebr2 in the for sale section though of course it came 2 days after i bought mine.

 

[oud272]

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I went for the EBR-3. If you're doing hold over/under there is no 'christmas tree' on the top of the reticle so you're stuck anyway. I also like the 0.1mil subs.
Have a look at this thread.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1553971

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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WTF? why would you need the xmas tree on the top? if you have a 100 yds zero hold under would only be for under 100yds were wind drift is pretty much zero.

 

[DogboneS]

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I've used both and prefer the EBR-3. Only thing I miss is the open center, but I'm over it now. I found to my eye, that the EBR-3 is a slight bit thinner and sharper at the highest magnification, which I prefer, compared to the EBR-2.

 

[oud272]

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diggler44,
not everyone zeros at 100yds. If you are shooting out to 1000+yds you might want to zero at say 500 or 600yds and use hold over/under for 300 - 1000yds.

DogboneS,
I also miss the center gap on the EBR-3, but I would still chose the ERB-3 reticle. You can always quarter the target.

 

[mouse07410]

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For ranging EBR-3 is clearly (no pun intended

) superior - providing 0.1 mrad subs vs. 0.2 mrad subs of EBR-2.

Whether you need the drop-tree or not - is a question. I'm struggling with this question myself.

 

[rksimple]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF? why would you need the xmas tree on the top? if you have a 100 yds zero hold under would only be for under 100yds were wind drift is pretty much zero. </div></div>

Quite often in matches, you'll set your zero to some intermediate range and hold under AND over for elevation on multiple targets/multiple distance.

And if your zeroed at 100, at closer than 100 yards (like 50, 25 yards, etc), you'll be holding OVER! Check your ballistics again.

 

[elkkid3]

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Happy this thread showed up, I am in the same spot.

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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i understand you will hold over but you won't need the windage marks for 50 and 25, unless you do one of the crazy stages were you have to shoot with the rifle turned sideways (the under the vehicle stage). the ebr 2 still has at least 3 mil of hold over.

i understand i have had the stinking 25yd stage at a match before, i hate it i like the longer range stages alot better. it only 2" hold over but that is a ton in the reticle at that distance is somewere around 2.3mils if i remember correctly dont have the drop chart in front of me.

 

[rksimple]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i understand you will hold over but you won't need the windage marks for 50 and 25, unless you do one of the crazy stages were you have to shoot with the rifle turned sideways (the under the vehicle stage). the ebr 2 still has at least 3 mil of hold over.

i understand i have had the stinking 25yd stage at a match before, i hate it i like the longer range stages alot better. it only 2" hold over but that is a ton in the reticle at that distance is somewere around 2.3mils if i remember correctly dont have the drop chart in front of me. </div></div>

Unless you zero for 400 or so to hold from 50-600. Windage hold unders would be needed.

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rksimple</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i understand you will hold over but you won't need the windage marks for 50 and 25, unless you do one of the crazy stages were you have to shoot with the rifle turned sideways (the under the vehicle stage). the ebr 2 still has at least 3 mil of hold over.

i understand i have had the stinking 25yd stage at a match before, i hate it i like the longer range stages alot better. it only 2" hold over but that is a ton in the reticle at that distance is somewere around 2.3mils if i remember correctly dont have the drop chart in front of me. </div></div>

Unless you zero for 400 or so to hold from 50-600. Windage hold unders would be needed. </div></div>

so which scope/reticle are you using because i just switched from uso's mdmoa, to a s&b p4f and found both of them to work great and i have to admit that the vortex has more features built into the reticle than that. i am not familiar with any reticles that have windage holds above the center. i am not saying they are not out their just haven't seen them. I am opened minded and always looking for new and better ways of doing things so don't take this the wrong way.

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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rk i know you are the real deal and am really trying to learn not argue. just wanted to make sure that was clear.

 

[oud272]

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I also don't know of any scopes that have 'windage holds' above center.

The way I use the reticle is to dial in wind (others prefer to hold all wind) and fine tune if I need to by holding left/right edge of target so that I always have a specific aiming point on the reticle and am not holding some where in space.

Maybe one day I'll have a chance to shoot the Horus reticle, until then I'll keep it as simple as I can.

 

[rksimple]

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I don't know of any either. So we designed one and included things we wanted.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1823219#Post1823219

Its not really necessary the majority of the time. In fact, rarely needed. I really liked the P4 fine in my S&B. I liked the Gen II XR in my PH even better. I would have loved to combine the best attributes of those reticles into one. The EBR-2 comes close, but they missed the mark on a couple key requirements (for me anyway). Unfortunately, I'm using a NPR1 reticle now in a SFP Nightforce. It works, but I know I could do better with a more advanced reticle. I'm just tired of shit breaking on me (IOR, Premier, and S&B included) so I'm sticking with NF for the time being.

 

[sobrbiker883]

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I want a Mil MPR with a christmas tree, and the 90* prone dots.

The Vortex EBR-2Mrad is very nice, but on the ones I've put my eyeball through the "christmas tree" was pretty had to make out.

 

[rksimple]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want a Mil MPR with a christmas tree, and the 90* prone dots.

The Vortex EBR-2Mrad is very nice, but on the ones I've put my eyeball through the "christmas tree" was pretty had to make out.
</div></div>

Agreed on the faint dots in the Razor.

Those "hold under" dots come in handy. Side prone was what prompted them.

 

[Scimitar]

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I broke a S&B that had the Gen II XR reticle. The windage knob would move impact .1 mil one time and 2 inches next click.
Finally, by luck, got it centered up and it held. With the windage holdovers I shot the entire match at ASC with that broke dick scope without touching the knobs. Now I want every scope
to have a reticle like that. If the dots on the Razor were a little darker and the mil extensions went down to 12 mils of holdover, it would be perfect.

 

[TEAMSENDIT]

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sucks about the s&b breaking. i almost always dial for elevation and hold for wind if it is mild conditions. if really windy i dial the wind and make corrections from their with hold off. to each their own i guess. alot of it depends on your time constraints obviously. i only bought a razor because it was a reasonably priced has a ton of elevation adjustment and an open center, it is going on my 338 edge so i guess we will see how durable they really are.

sorry for getting off topic michael N

 

[paraman1]

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I am going with the EBR-3 . Its closer to what I already know and I don't know that I would use the christmas tree much as I tend to dial my dope for the most part .

 

[rksimple]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael N</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am going with the EBR-3 . Its closer to what I already know and I don't know that I would use the christmas tree much as I tend to dial my dope for the most part . </div></div>

Good choice. One always has to choose based on their needs. It seems so often now, many COFs call for no dialing or have time constraints that preclude dialing for elevation on multiple target/distance engagements.

Always searching for the better mousetrap...

 

[LSOSGT1109]

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I have the EBR2 and I wish I'd went with the EBR3. I personally don't like the open center in the reticle and I have never used and probably never will use the christmas tree! But as far as the scope goes, I love it!