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Too Much Spaghetti

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I'm lazy. Spaghetti is easy. I have done a lot to improve my diet over the last year but this is the one area I am lacking. I have a pre work lunch (second shift) and every day last week it was a plate of spaghetti with meatballs. Its whole wheat but still. What are some easy ideas for lunch other than a sandwich (thats my during work lunch)?
 
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Salads. Take the dressing separately. I put all kinds of stuff in the salads like avocados, sliced almonds, and all kinds of veggies.
 
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Fresh fruit. i.e. bananas, apples, oranges. Fresh vegatables also. I need to eat more from these two food groups myself. I had a big plate of spaghetti with Italian sausage last night for my evening meal, so I know where your coming from.
 
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I'm wheat and grain, bullshit fruit free, no sodas, no beer, no HFCS, nada, but high in good saturated fats, shit pot full of meat, liver, chicken with fat on, loads of fish tons of greens, yellows, reds; and all of that is spread out over an entire week; if I eat twice in 16 hours, it's a holiday.

Best antidote to wheat/grain addiction is Naloxone, same drug used to counter the addictive properties of heavy duty drugs
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Please ellaborate on the use of Naloxone.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm wheat and grain, bullshit fruit free, no sodas, no beer, no HFCS, nada, but high in good saturated fats, shit pot full of meat, liver, chicken with fat on, loads of fish tons of greens, yellows, reds; and all of that is spread out over an entire week; if I eat twice in 16 hours, it's a holiday.

Best antidote to wheat/grain addiction is Naloxone, same drug used to counter the addictive properties of heavy duty drugs
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I think he's being facetious... Don't rush out trying to buy an emergency room drug to add to your diet kit.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TBannister</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please ellaborate on the use of Naloxone.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm wheat and grain, bullshit fruit free, no sodas, no beer, no HFCS, nada, but high in good saturated fats, shit pot full of meat, liver, chicken with fat on, loads of fish tons of greens, yellows, reds; and all of that is spread out over an entire week; if I eat twice in 16 hours, it's a holiday.

Best antidote to wheat/grain addiction is Naloxone, same drug used to counter the addictive properties of heavy duty drugs
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ER, hell. I have a gallon of that stuff. I researched and found that its used for many eating disorders. Crazy!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think he's being facetious... Don't rush out trying to buy an emergency room drug to add to your diet kit.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TBannister</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please ellaborate on the use of Naloxone.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm wheat and grain, bullshit fruit free, no sodas, no beer, no HFCS, nada, but high in good saturated fats, shit pot full of meat, liver, chicken with fat on, loads of fish tons of greens, yellows, reds; and all of that is spread out over an entire week; if I eat twice in 16 hours, it's a holiday.

Best antidote to wheat/grain addiction is Naloxone, same drug used to counter the addictive properties of heavy duty drugs
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Actually, not facetious at all. Wm Davis, MD on his www.trackyourplaque.com/blog and on his blog at www.wheatbellyblog.com, as well as in his book "Wheat Belly," quotes reviewed research where one of the conclusions of which is that brain systems stimulated by wheat ingestion can in fact be modulated by Naloxone.

In particular, the cravings that appear to accompany attempts to go wheat grain free share the same qualitative features as does the drug withdrawal, and those symptoms are dealt with by the use of Naloxone. Scary stuff this "whole grain" bullshit. Remember this: the amber waves of grain of yesteryear are not the DNA modified, heavily chemically treated, and grown specifically for ease of cultivation, stunted growth sticks of today.

Davis does NOT recommend, nor do I :D, that anyone reach into the "market" for naloxone!!
 
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Wow. And here I thought you could just not put the stuff in your mouth. Hard to believe people would go to the extent of injecting themselves with Narcan.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow. And here I thought you could just not put the stuff in your mouth. Hard to believe people would go to the extent of injecting themselves with Narcan. </div></div>

You would not believe the stupid shit people will do out of sheer laziness.

I know a couple guys that take high dose DNP to drop fat instead of adding cardio and tightening up diet.
DNP raises body temp ALOT !! And is a known carsonigenic , it's found in several pesticides as well as explosives!!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow. And here I thought you could just not put the stuff in your mouth. Hard to believe people would go to the extent of injecting themselves with Narcan. </div></div>

You would not believe the stupid shit people will do out of sheer laziness.

I know a couple guys that take high dose DNP to drop fat instead of adding cardio and tightening up diet.
DNP raises body temp ALOT !! And is a known carsonigenic , it's found in several pesticides as well as explosives!! </div></div>

and dont forget its also used to develop film
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, not facetious at all. Wm Davis, MD on his www.trackyourplaque.com/blog and on his blog at www.wheatbellyblog.com, as well as in his book "Wheat Belly," quotes reviewed research where one of the conclusions of which is that brain systems stimulated by wheat ingestion can in fact be modulated by Naloxone.

In particular, the cravings that appear to accompany attempts to go wheat grain free share the same qualitative features as does the drug withdrawal, and those symptoms are dealt with by the use of Naloxone. Scary stuff this "whole grain" bullshit. Remember this: the amber waves of grain of yesteryear are not the DNA modified, heavily chemically treated, and grown specifically for ease of cultivation, stunted growth sticks of today.

Davis does NOT recommend, nor do I :D, that anyone reach into the "market" for naloxone!! </div></div>

I cut all weat out of my diet for a few days after reading the wheatbelly site, and I can say it made a difference. I really do not think it was placebo, as I quickly stopped craving food, and really just ate when I hadn't eaten in a while. I felt better too, that is for sure. Unfortunatly I ate all of the non-wheat things we had(not very many of them).

I need to buy more non-wheat food that is decent and give it another go.
 
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Good for you, DerMeister. You can bet your last buck it isn't a placebo effect. Far too many people are reporting the exact effects you are, I for one as well. Load up on green, red, yellow, purple veggies, avocados; heavy cream, if you can tolerate it and hard cheese, again, if you can tolerate it - some folks have a crummy response to renin and casein; eggs, bacon (uncured, and grass fed if you can find it); ditto with meat, and chicken; red wine x2, 4 oz glasses per night; and berries, straw, rasp, and blue. You'll come to find that going 16-18 hours without eating is the rule, not the exception. If you have heavy intensity activity you know you are going to have to perform, only then think of carbs, preferably in the aftermath. E.g., I usually drink a high cal, 12gram carb smoothie with heavy cream, coconut milk and oil, almonds, flaxseed, either an hour before or immediately after my workout.

Keep it up, sir, your brain, heart and metabolic systems will love you for it. Not to mention the women when they regard you as (more of) a hottie
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tony
 
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Grab a Cuisinart bread making machine and head over to

http://www.growseed.org/einkorn.html

and brew some up
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It is absolutely gluten free, although it is not obviously wheat free. Nevertheless is most closely mimics the original "amber waves of grain" of our early heritage. Also, at www.einkorn.com, the OP can find this:

http://www.einkorn.com/einkorn-pasta/

also made of Einkorn

These recommendations are sort of like "having your cake and eating it too."
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I won't do a steady intake of any of this einkorn based wheat because it is after all a grain, albeit more "whole."

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I like the sound of that. I don't eat a whole lot of bread, but I do get sick of am just meat and veggies all the time.

What's the evil in Gluten?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like the sound of that. I don't eat a whole lot of bread, but I do get sick of am just meat and veggies all the time.

What's the evil in Gluten? </div></div>

Gliadin and Amylopectin, latter of which has 3 forms, and the "a" variant makes it act on blood sugar like a super-carbohydrate; Gliadin is implicated quite direcly in coeliac disease, though it shouldn't be though that if one is not dx'd with coeliac that it is then unimportant.
 
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OK.... Clear as mud... LOL

I always thought Gluten was just the foe of people with gi distress. I went to the whole foods store today and found some gluten free whole grain bread. I'm gonna try to incorporate more of these tips in my diet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK.... Clear as mud... LOL

I always thought Gluten was just the foe of people with gi distress. I went to the whole foods store today and found some gluten free whole grain bread. I'm gonna try to incorporate more of these tips in my diet.
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JR, just watch out for what the gluten-free is replaced with. If it's anything that has "starch" or an ingredient remotely related to it, it's not really any different. The f'g grain industry, hot on to new market ploys, tout "gluten free" and they simply replace those ingredients with starches that have the same effect.

The analogy that Wm Davis draws is entirely appropriate: Marlboro Regular, or, Marlboro Lights - they both cause cancer!
 
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Hmmmm...

Sure 'nuff....

Ingredients list...

NGREDIENTS: FILTERED WATER, BROWN RICE FLOUR, TAPIOCA STARCH, POTATO STARCH, SUNFLOWER OIL, EGG WHITES, EVAPORATED CANE JUICE, TAPIOCA MALTODEXTRIN, TEFF FLOUR, TAPIOCA SYRUP OR BROWN RICE SYRUP, FLAX SEED MEAL, YEAST, XANTHAN GUM, SALT, BAKING POWDER (SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, SODIUM BICARBONATE, CORN STARCH, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE), MOLD INHIBITOR (CULTURED CORN SYRUP, CITRIC ACID), MOLASSES (DRY MOLASSES AND MALTODEXTRIN), ENZYMES, ASCORBIC ACID (ASCORBIC ACID, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, CORN STARCH).
CONTAINS: EGGS

This shit gets confusing... There's no truth in advertising standards, so you damn near have to be a chemist to keep on track.

For instance, I've heard that "brown rice syrup" is just a re-worded "high fructose corn syrup"...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmm...

Sure 'nuff....

Ingredients list...

NGREDIENTS: FILTERED WATER, BROWN RICE FLOUR, TAPIOCA STARCH, POTATO STARCH, SUNFLOWER OIL, EGG WHITES, EVAPORATED CANE JUICE, TAPIOCA MALTODEXTRIN, TEFF FLOUR, TAPIOCA SYRUP OR BROWN RICE SYRUP, FLAX SEED MEAL, YEAST, XANTHAN GUM, SALT, BAKING POWDER (SODIUM ACID PYROPHOSPHATE, SODIUM BICARBONATE, CORN STARCH, MONOCALCIUM PHOSPHATE), MOLD INHIBITOR (CULTURED CORN SYRUP, CITRIC ACID), MOLASSES (DRY MOLASSES AND MALTODEXTRIN), ENZYMES, ASCORBIC ACID (ASCORBIC ACID, MICROCRYSTALLINE CELLULOSE, CORN STARCH).
CONTAINS: EGGS

This shit gets confusing... There's no truth in advertising standards, so you damn near have to be a chemist to keep on track.

For instance, I've heard that "brown rice syrup" is just a re-worded "high fructose corn syrup"...


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Hadn't heard that one before, JR, but I wouldn't doubt it's authenticity. These grain industry fuckers are surreptitious as hell. It's a great symbiosis though amongst Big Agra, Big Pharma and Big Medica. The fucking agriculture business fucks us up in the name of whole grains, etc., Big Pharma steps up and says "shit, man, we can fix those symptoms/diseases with these drugs," and then super-hot hottie shows up to dimwit MD and "sells her wares." It all works out. Except for the poor dope who is at the effect of all this shit.

And you, sir, IMHO, are entirely correct: each person has got to be responsible for figuring out what the hell it is that he eats!! Geezus. Okay, rant off.

be safe, sir,

tony
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just can't fathom giving up wheat/bread completely. </div></div>

Just try it for two or three days, and let us know how you feel. After this weeks pay check I'm going to go shopping for a wheat free diet.

Hey copdoc, how do you feel about natural rice? Its cheap, filling, and very versatile.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DerMeister</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just can't fathom giving up wheat/bread completely. </div></div>

Just try it for two or three days, and let us know how you feel. After this weeks pay check I'm going to go shopping for a wheat free diet.

Hey copdoc, how do you feel about natural rice? Its cheap, filling, and very versatile. </div></div>

I did it for a week, then followed that for 2 weeks with very limited carbs. I felt fine, but it's just a stressful lifestyle to maintain, for me.
 
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"http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/cooking/a/spagsquash.htm

its all we use at my house now , its a little differant but not bad at all"

I thought this deserved a second mention.

The problem with spaghetti squash is that it takes so long to cook. To make it easier, we cook it ahead of time and just throw it in tupperware. A 5lb squash will give you spaghetti for an entire week's worth of lunches. Just throw some sauce in, heat it up, good to go.
 
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Helter,

you might want to try out at

http://www.jovialfoods.com/whole-grain-einkorn-pasta

I just ordered up a bunch of their Einkorn flour to bake bread with, and what came along with it was a little try-out package of Einkorn based spaghetti. Einkorn is indeed "real whole grain" just like it was here in the US back before Big Agra, Pharma, Gummint, et al, got together to genetically reengineered and f'ed it up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DerMeister</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just can't fathom giving up wheat/bread completely. </div></div>

Just try it for two or three days, and let us know how you feel. After this weeks pay check I'm going to go shopping for a wheat free diet.

Hey copdoc, how do you feel about natural rice? Its cheap, filling, and very versatile. </div></div>

DerMeister,

turns out Jovial Foods also makes a Brown Rice Pasta; never had it, but it might be worth a try. If an hour to an hour and half after eating it, you feel yourself getting the "real hungries" so much that you just gotta eat something with carbs in it, then you know, or at least I and others who are eating a wheat free diet, that the Einkorn content, good as it is, is still probably too much. HTH, sorry for not answering your question sooner
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So just wondering, are you guys doing all this for health reasons or weight reasons?

If its health reasons then be careful to fall into the trap of generalizations. Gluten isn't inherently bad,unless your allergic, just like fat isn't inherently bad. They say stay with complex carbs for health, but then tell you to eat fruit. Fruit is as far away from complex carbs as you can get(simple sugars). They tell you to take multivitamins, and recently a couple studies have came out saying there is evidence that they might shorten your lifespan. Just to prove a point to a friend, I've found a study before that showed smoking is good.. in the end it was because it helped some other disease. Point is the things that are obviously bad for your health liek smoking and drinking have been known for decades but most other things aren't great or horrible, and its more about moderation to live a healthy lifestyle. For almost all things that aren't centuries old, there isn't concrete knowledge on the long term health benefits. Don't buy into the hype, the fitness/nutrition/agriculture/supplement industries have to make money somehow.... Once all the generic brands devalue the new hype, they have to find something new.

If your worried about this for weight reasons, then unless your trying to cut below 10% BF your efforts might be misguided as well. At the end of the day, most weight can be lost and regulated just by consuming less calories then you expend. Thats it. Doesnt matter if its sugar/carbs/protien/mcdonalds or organic. Starving kids in Africa aren't skinny because they eat only protein. All the rest of the stuff you guys are worrying about are distractions. The only other thing to keep in mind wit that is don't eat TOO little, because then your body goes into survival mode,sort of speak, and uses alot less energy. This makes it alot harder to lose weight unless you eat nothing at all, which is very dangerous, or exercise an absurd amount. YES GI index plays a role, YES calorie distribution plays a role, YES exercise plays a role ... BUT thats like worrying about spin drift when you don't know whats going on with the wind mid-range. Once you start cutting below 10% is when all the rest of the stuff starts mattering alot.

Sorry for the rant, but I sometimes get a bit irritated seeing all the 'must haves' being throw around and eaten up by people that just haven't done enough research to know the truth. These days every person who has talked to their local gym's juicehead is an internet expert.

Figure out what your goal is, and achieve it by starting to focus on the FUNDAMENTALS. Weightloss/health science is really not that different than precision marksmenship science. There's a reason why most experts on here say STICK TO THE FUNDAMENTALS when newbs ask advance shooting questions. That will get you 95% there. By the time your that far, is when you realize most the advice and fads to get the last 5% is garbage anyways, if only because different things work for different people.

P.S. all you guys saying its amazing how much weight you lose within a week of going no carb....I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but thats a documented thing. Its mostly water weight. Yes thats right, water weight. Carb digestion makes you retain more water, so when you start eating close to no carbs you easily lose 5-10 lb's of water. Which is gained back right when you start eating carbs again. It might even make you feel skinnier, but thats because your slightly less bloated. Dont get me wrong, that can be a good thing as a motivator to feel less bloated. But all that weight you lost isn't fat and its not the miracle diet. Funny how most the 'gurus' don't tell you that, but instead let you believe that their diets working magic.
 
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Sir, with all due respect, your post includes commentary that is so freakin' out of date, it's hard to fathom. but hey, whatever floats your boat....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copdoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sir, with all due respect, your post includes commentary that is so freakin' out of date, it's hard to fathom. but hey, whatever floats your boat....
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</div></div> Its no less out of date as the stuff that's "known" now that will be disproved next week.

I tried to make it as clear as possible that weightloss and health is a very complicated science and all the factors that are talked about here DO make a difference, just some peoples efforts are misguided. EXample: The overweight smoker that is buying fish oils because his trainer told him they are healthy for him and will help him lose weight. Yes, a bit extreme of an example but Ive seen it happen in front of my own eyes!

I guess thats the great part of it all, believe what you want, because there really isnt concrete evidence for much of anything to indefinitely prove anyone right or wrong. Most studies have bias's and/or only prove correlation between things as opposed to causation. The funny part is there is as much manipulation and misdirection going on in the organic/going green/health market as the pharm/just food market. In fact many of them have the same parent company owners these days. But of course the big bad pharm companies get all the blame, and those pointing the fingers get a nice warm feeling supporting and believing in a 'good cause'. Hey the CEO's gotta put food on the table and leer jets in the garages somehow I guess. To be clear, This isn't meant to offend anyone or their beliefs, I added my 2c but believe what you want!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If your worried about this for weight reasons, then unless your trying to cut below 10% BF your efforts might be misguided as well. <span style="color: #FF0000">At the end of the day, most weight can be lost and regulated just by consuming less calories then you expend. Thats it. Doesnt matter if its sugar/carbs/protien/mcdonalds or organic. </span>
Sorry for the rant, but I sometimes get a bit irritated seeing all the 'must haves' being throw around and eaten up by people that just haven't done enough research to know the truth. These days every person who has talked to their local gym's juicehead is an internet expert.
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so you mean to tell me that if your basic calorie needs for a day it 3000 calories that if you eat only 2500 cals a day or anything then you will lose weight? that would be a 500 cal a day deficte , 7 days a week is 3500 cals a week , that what one pound of fat has , so in your theory you should lose a pound of fat a day??
that is total and complete bullshit !!!

i know for a fact i can give a subject a daily calorie intake less than that of what they expend with ZERO carbs , just protein and fat and with proper training that subject will GAIN weight which is muscle and reduce body fat

i guarn-damn-tee that if you eat 500 cals under your daily cal needs in blue bell ice cream you are going to end up a fat ass.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you eat 500 cals under your daily cal needs in blue bell ice cream you are going to end up a fat ass. </div></div>

I heard that very statement just today
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you eat 500 cals under your daily cal needs in blue bell ice cream you are going to end up a fat ass. </div></div>

I heard that very statement just today
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Exactly why I said it , was still fresh
 
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I understand about the ice cream but what if I mix in some birthday cake and hold the calories to 2,500 per day. Will I still loose BF and gain lean muscle mass?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If your worried about this for weight reasons, then unless your trying to cut below 10% BF your efforts might be misguided as well. <span style="color: #FF0000">At the end of the day, most weight can be lost and regulated just by consuming less calories then you expend. Thats it. Doesnt matter if its sugar/carbs/protien/mcdonalds or organic. </span>
Sorry for the rant, but I sometimes get a bit irritated seeing all the 'must haves' being throw around and eaten up by people that just haven't done enough research to know the truth. These days every person who has talked to their local gym's juicehead is an internet expert.
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so you mean to tell me that if your basic calorie needs for a day it 3000 calories that if you eat only 2500 cals a day or anything then you will lose weight? that would be a 500 cal a day deficte , 7 days a week is 3500 cals a week , that what one pound of fat has , so in your theory you should lose a pound of fat a day??
that is total and complete bullshit !!!

i know for a fact i can give a subject a daily calorie intake less than that of what they expend with ZERO carbs , just protein and fat and with proper training that subject will GAIN weight which is muscle and reduce body fat

i guarn-damn-tee that if you eat 500 cals under your daily cal needs in blue bell ice cream you are going to end up a fat ass. </div></div>

Well actually yes that is what I'm saying. I have ate 'junk' for a week or two before because of outside influences and actually LOST weight by making sure to moderate intake. Ive also ate strictly healthy and gained weight because of overeating. Arguing against the energy in vs energy out theory is arguing against the fundamentals of physics. If you use more energy than you consume, it has to come from somewhere. The calorie in vs calorie out is a FACT. The waters get muddied in that your body does adapt and change based on food intake. For example, your metabolism will slow down after a large calorie deficit over time. But calories in vs calories out still applies, its just your calories out are now less and in have to be compensated. This is why this isn't the only thing to consider when your trying to lose that last bit of fat, thats when food composition matters. I said that this applies to <span style="font-weight: bold">most</span> people that are just trying to lose a little bit of weight because they are fat or overweight.


On the other hand, what you may be inferring to is that different diets might change your basal metabolism or your overall energy consumption... So you lowering your energy out and that isn't disagreeing with what I said about energy in vs. energy out.

No the weight loss will NOT come only from fat, and I dont think I said that anywhere. Part of it will always be fat and part will be muscle. Depending on the consistency of your diet it will vary what percent of each, but it remind me of another popular trainer myth. The "fat burning zone", that was a huge fad that everyone jumped on the bandwagon to. If you don't know what it is, its the heart rate % that is supposedly the best to run at to burn the most fat. Which in the end gave lazy people an excuse to not push themselves and complain they aren't getting results. The reality of it is that its a mixed truth. At that max heart rate %, it is true that most the burned calories come from fat... What they don't tell you is it burns 1/4 the calories.(ratios aren't accurate but are around something like that,going off the top of my head) So in that same 5 minute run, running closer to your max aerobic heart rate in reality you would burn 3 times the fat calories than in the fat zone. The 'fat burning zone' is a great strategy if your built trying to shred those last bits of fat while minimizing muscle gain. But it really doesn't apply to most people that are just trying to lose weight and get in shape.. They would be better off in the higher heart rate zone burning alot more calories per minute. But the trainers have to have something new and inside information to tell their clients and big companies need to have a reason for you to buy their heart rate monitors.

Anyways this is all off topic from the OP's original concern so as I said before, thats my 2c take it or leave it. You might fully disagree or know your opinion is right and thats great. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

so you mean to tell me that if your basic calorie needs for a day it 3000 calories that if you eat only 2500 cals a day or anything then you will lose weight? that would be a 500 cal a day deficte , 7 days a week is 3500 cals a week , that what one pound of fat has , so in your theory you should lose a pound of fat a day??
that is total and complete bullshit !!!

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Your math is wrong.
It would equal 1 pound of fat a week. Not a day. Completely within reason.

I do agree you cant eat anything, and have the same results.
 
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Yep worded it wrong , and even 2 pounds a week is reasonable weight loss without losing to much is any muscle and keeping metabolism up
 
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Ezekial pasta is a good choice. Stir fry/vegie meadly with a good bit of soy and chicken or beef is my lunch when not a sandwich.
 
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Fascinating, I didn't even know there was a Sniper's Hide Fitness forum, makes perfect sense though.

I've always been a pasta man, Italian mom ya know, and since there was no fat in it there was no way it could make you fat. Right? LOL

I think the real key from the OP is the amount of genetically modified agri-food that sits on the shelf of every store. We just weren't meant to consume that stuff. Since moving to Montana, I've migrated my food purchasing habits to producers closer and closer to home, dairy, meat, produce, you name. I'm still way overweight, but I FEEL a lot better.

Also, there was a book out, "Eat Right for your Blood Type" or something like that, that I tried for 6 months and lost like 40 pounds....it may have been just eliminating the wheat and corn (Corn makes me ill now....) but whatever it seemed to work. Biggest issue: eliminating tomatoes OUCH! no more spaghetti sauce

At any rate, thanks for posting this, my number one resolution for 2012 is getting back to fighting weight, it's time...

Scott
 
Re: Too Much Spaghetti

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DerMeister</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just can't fathom giving up wheat/bread completely. </div></div>

Just try it for two or three days, and let us know how you feel. After this weeks pay check I'm going to go shopping for a wheat free diet.

Hey copdoc, how do you feel about natural rice? Its cheap, filling, and very versatile. </div></div>

I did it for a week, then followed that for 2 weeks with very limited carbs. I felt fine, but it's just a stressful lifestyle to maintain, for me. </div></div>

JRose I'm the same I love bread , bread and biscuit's are my vice when it come's to eating clean I can do without them but I just like to eat them .

I still eat bread I usually have it in the morning I toast it and put peanut butter on it and that is enough for me .

Biscuit's I don't buy much any more they don't really serve a purpose in my diet except making me want to eat them .

I eat a lot of meat chicken beef and tuna and egg's I eat a high protean and high fat diet and not so much carb's I have cut carb's out before but I find that I need carb's to balance me out , because I snap at people when I don't have some carb's in my diet .

I try and get my carb's in early in the day .

You can do it , just need to try different thing's and see what works for you .
 
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Check out www.robbwolf.com

Guy wrote the book 'The Paleo Solution' which is excellent and was written before 'Wheat Belly' - which is also very good. Very easy to read and demystifies a lot of the science behind why a grain-free diet (wheat being the major type of grain no-no) is strongly advisable. I thought I knew a few things about nutrition before I read this. Turned out - not so much.
 
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I second salads

The combinations are endless and low in carbs. Lately I have been putting slices of canned beets in my salads for a different flavor - good.
 
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Get some 3 compartment tupperwear and fill it with a chicken breast, some brown rice, and some steamed broccoli. It's pretty much my staple. You can keep it interesting by changing up the way you rub or marinade your chicken. Take a greek yogurt and some almonds for a snack. Can't beat it.
 
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Get some 3 compartment tupperwear and fill it with a chicken breast, some brown rice, and some steamed broccoli. It's pretty much my staple. You can keep it interesting by changing up the way you rub or marinade your chicken. Take a greek yogurt and some almonds for a snack. Can't beat it.