Ok so I'm a noob to long range shooting but I have been shooting all my life so I have an idea as to what I'm doing when dealing with shooting in general. I have a new 700 AAC-SD that I have shot about 100 rounds through. After getting comfortable with the rifle and zeroed at 100 yards I decided to back up a bit and try shooting at 350 yards. Got everything dialed in for that range with no wind and first shot slam dead center of a 10x8 steel target, second shot did not even hit it, was about 3'' left of target (still no wind). Third shot smack, bottom left hand corner, fourth shot smack, top left corner, fifth shot miss 2" left of top corner. Tried to compensate and hold a few inches right and the next three shots went about 2" above the target. This continued for a while and after about 25 round I hit the target maybe 3 times. I was shooting from sand bags with an extremely steady rest prone using Federal 168 grain Sierra Matchking BTHP. Would the hogue stock make it shoot that far off at that distance?? I have heard I need to replace the hogue with something better but I didn't think it would make the gun shoot that bad. I have checked the mounts because every time a gun shoots this bad I usually find out I have loose rings or something but not this time. I have read up on all I can on this site about the fundamentals and apply them when I shoot and I know I need to pay the money and get the training programs on here. Its probably just me but I figured I would ask and see if the hogue is that bad.
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Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
More likely than not it's the stock. If you are putting any pressure on it then the barrel is probably contacting the stock forend. We had one in a class we put on last year that was acting similar to how you describe. I had the shooter get behind the rifle and I tried to run a dollar bill between the barrel and stock to check for free floating and it was showing contact within about an inch or two.
More likely than not it's the stock. If you are putting any pressure on it then the barrel is probably contacting the stock forend. We had one in a class we put on last year that was acting similar to how you describe. I had the shooter get behind the rifle and I tried to run a dollar bill between the barrel and stock to check for free floating and it was showing contact within about an inch or two.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Well after reading your post Rob01 I went and check clearance with a dollar. I held the rifle vertical and the dollar barely slid between the barrel and stock. Turned the rifle horizontal and rested the stock on the counter top like it was on my shooting rest and sure enough the stock was smack up against the stock, I couldn't even get the dollar between the two at all. The barrel was completely pressed against the stock from just the weight of the barrel.
Well after reading your post Rob01 I went and check clearance with a dollar. I held the rifle vertical and the dollar barely slid between the barrel and stock. Turned the rifle horizontal and rested the stock on the counter top like it was on my shooting rest and sure enough the stock was smack up against the stock, I couldn't even get the dollar between the two at all. The barrel was completely pressed against the stock from just the weight of the barrel.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Sometimes you can remove material from the forend with a dowel and some sand paper wrapped around it but I am not sure if that stock will take that treatment. You can try but that's about all the effort I would put into it. If you wanted to keep the cost down then the Bell and Carlson stocks are relatively inexpensive and work well.
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-185/Bell-and-Carlson-Medalist/Detail
Sometimes you can remove material from the forend with a dowel and some sand paper wrapped around it but I am not sure if that stock will take that treatment. You can try but that's about all the effort I would put into it. If you wanted to keep the cost down then the Bell and Carlson stocks are relatively inexpensive and work well.
http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/the-185/Bell-and-Carlson-Medalist/Detail
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Yeah looks like I'm gonna have to upgrade stocks sooner that I thought.
Yeah looks like I'm gonna have to upgrade stocks sooner that I thought.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Ditch the stock. When I picked up my new 700 SPS Tac, I brought it home and immediately removed the stock - I had a B&C ready to go.
Also, what kind of scope mount? Was it bedded to the receiver? The only other culprit could be this.
See the link in my sig below.
Ditch the stock. When I picked up my new 700 SPS Tac, I brought it home and immediately removed the stock - I had a B&C ready to go.
Also, what kind of scope mount? Was it bedded to the receiver? The only other culprit could be this.
See the link in my sig below.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
In between now and when your new stock arrives, I would definitely take a 1" dowel or round metal tube and open up the front of the stock. If you remove the action/barrel you'll see the front 2" or so where you can open it up. I did it with my AAC when I first got it and it did help quite a bit...
you can see my hogue hacker on the ground there. 100 grit sticky back on a 1" metal round. A couple minutes is all it takes.
In between now and when your new stock arrives, I would definitely take a 1" dowel or round metal tube and open up the front of the stock. If you remove the action/barrel you'll see the front 2" or so where you can open it up. I did it with my AAC when I first got it and it did help quite a bit...
you can see my hogue hacker on the ground there. 100 grit sticky back on a 1" metal round. A couple minutes is all it takes.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Do yourself a favor and check all of your base a ring screws to make sure nothing has worked loose and is torqued properly. That way next time you go to the range with the new stock,you already eliminated a few other possibilities for inconsistencies.
Do yourself a favor and check all of your base a ring screws to make sure nothing has worked loose and is torqued properly. That way next time you go to the range with the new stock,you already eliminated a few other possibilities for inconsistencies.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
I had the exact same problem with mine. If you use a bipod, the least bit or pressure on the pistol grip of the stock would make the barrel swing due to the rubber/plastic stock flexing freely. I replaced it with a B/C Tactical Medalist and the problem disappeared completely.
I had the exact same problem with mine. If you use a bipod, the least bit or pressure on the pistol grip of the stock would make the barrel swing due to the rubber/plastic stock flexing freely. I replaced it with a B/C Tactical Medalist and the problem disappeared completely.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
I have a Badger 20 MOA rail and Leupold rings all torqued correctly I just checked them again. I do not have a bipod on it yet. The rail was not bedded to the receiver. My first thought was loose base or rings because that is usually what is wrong when I shoot this bad but everything is good. Im about 95% sure it's the stock. I'm going to try sanding it down and see if that fixes anything. I had the same problem when I put a target barrel on my Ruger 10/22. I bought one of those Axiom stocks by Blackhawks and it flexed like crazy I could never get it to shoot right then I bought a new stock and started shooting 1/4" groups at 50 yards. Thanks everyone for all the help I appreciate it.
I have a Badger 20 MOA rail and Leupold rings all torqued correctly I just checked them again. I do not have a bipod on it yet. The rail was not bedded to the receiver. My first thought was loose base or rings because that is usually what is wrong when I shoot this bad but everything is good. Im about 95% sure it's the stock. I'm going to try sanding it down and see if that fixes anything. I had the same problem when I put a target barrel on my Ruger 10/22. I bought one of those Axiom stocks by Blackhawks and it flexed like crazy I could never get it to shoot right then I bought a new stock and started shooting 1/4" groups at 50 yards. Thanks everyone for all the help I appreciate it.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
The Hogue stock that comes on the AAC-SD is garbage. Like others have said a new stock will greatly improve it's accuracy. I put 150 rounds through mine before I got a AICS and was disgusted with the groups I was getting. 1 to1.5" at 100yds. Since the stock change 1/2 to 3/4" is the norm.
The Hogue stock that comes on the AAC-SD is garbage. Like others have said a new stock will greatly improve it's accuracy. I put 150 rounds through mine before I got a AICS and was disgusted with the groups I was getting. 1 to1.5" at 100yds. Since the stock change 1/2 to 3/4" is the norm.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Its amazing that such a nice rifle comes with such a hunk of junk stock. I'm going to send Remington and Hogue an email and see what they say.
Its amazing that such a nice rifle comes with such a hunk of junk stock. I'm going to send Remington and Hogue an email and see what they say.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Well I just emailed both Remington and Hogue. I guess I will see what they have to say about the whole mess. I doubt they will do anything but I guess we will get to see how committed to customer service these guys really are.
Well I just emailed both Remington and Hogue. I guess I will see what they have to say about the whole mess. I doubt they will do anything but I guess we will get to see how committed to customer service these guys really are.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Got emails back from both Hogue and Remington. For starters Hogue is a terrible company, I will never buy anything from them ever again I don't care how cheap it is. They sent me an email back saying that yes they know the stock is terrible and that they have received quite a few emails just like mine saying the exact same thing. And they said that it could be fixed and this was their solution:
Hogue's ridiculous solution to stock fitting
Can you believe they actually want me to take a hammer and beat on my brand new gun to make it fit?? What a joke! Remington replied back as well, very friendly and helpful customer service.
Got emails back from both Hogue and Remington. For starters Hogue is a terrible company, I will never buy anything from them ever again I don't care how cheap it is. They sent me an email back saying that yes they know the stock is terrible and that they have received quite a few emails just like mine saying the exact same thing. And they said that it could be fixed and this was their solution:
Hogue's ridiculous solution to stock fitting
Can you believe they actually want me to take a hammer and beat on my brand new gun to make it fit?? What a joke! Remington replied back as well, very friendly and helpful customer service.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
For a short term fix on the Hogue stock, this may be worth a try;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQUwzEqvQc
Evcen a $220 B&C stock will make a world of difference.
For a short term fix on the Hogue stock, this may be worth a try;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQUwzEqvQc
Evcen a $220 B&C stock will make a world of difference.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Yeah, I'm going with the B&C thanks.
Yeah, I'm going with the B&C thanks.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
I picked up my 700 AAC-SD on Tuesday. I just got my B&C Medilist M40 stock in the mail this morning. It fit like a glove and is very comfortable. Solid construction for sure. I am hoping my base, rings, scope and AAC 51T flash hider/ Supressor mount arrive tomorrow. All that is left to purchase is a bipod and sling and this one will be done. I am happy with the B&C stock and the price was excellent as well.
I picked up my 700 AAC-SD on Tuesday. I just got my B&C Medilist M40 stock in the mail this morning. It fit like a glove and is very comfortable. Solid construction for sure. I am hoping my base, rings, scope and AAC 51T flash hider/ Supressor mount arrive tomorrow. All that is left to purchase is a bipod and sling and this one will be done. I am happy with the B&C stock and the price was excellent as well.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
I wish I would have seen this post a few months ago. I hade the same exact problem out of my sps/tactical. I switched to a HS stock I got from a Hide member and it made all the difference. It is a super consistent rifle now. Good luck with yours.
I wish I would have seen this post a few months ago. I hade the same exact problem out of my sps/tactical. I switched to a HS stock I got from a Hide member and it made all the difference. It is a super consistent rifle now. Good luck with yours.
Re: Question about inconsistency with new 700?
Always check the magazine box for clearance when you assemble the rifle. With a BDL type bottom metal, the mag box should float up and down about 1/16". Sometimes the stock is just not deep enough and the box needs to be filed a little shorter. But if it contacts the bottom metal and the action you will not be able to tighten the action down securely in the bedding. Sometimes it is just assembled wrong This is OFTEN missed and it will ruin your consistency. The last rifle I found this issue on was a .223. It would shoot 2 or 3 good groups and suddenly sling one shot out 2 or 2 1/2". Popping the floor plate open and trying to move the mag box up and down showed the problem right away. After taking about a 1/16th off the bottom it was shooting consistent. The same applies to bottom metal for detachable mags. It CANNOT touch the bottom of the action.
Always check the magazine box for clearance when you assemble the rifle. With a BDL type bottom metal, the mag box should float up and down about 1/16". Sometimes the stock is just not deep enough and the box needs to be filed a little shorter. But if it contacts the bottom metal and the action you will not be able to tighten the action down securely in the bedding. Sometimes it is just assembled wrong This is OFTEN missed and it will ruin your consistency. The last rifle I found this issue on was a .223. It would shoot 2 or 3 good groups and suddenly sling one shot out 2 or 2 1/2". Popping the floor plate open and trying to move the mag box up and down showed the problem right away. After taking about a 1/16th off the bottom it was shooting consistent. The same applies to bottom metal for detachable mags. It CANNOT touch the bottom of the action.
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