Rifle Scopes 2 guns 1 scope?
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I wouldnt like having to check its zero each time you swap it over. If you are ok with that, I dont see any other problem.
I wouldnt like having to check its zero each time you swap it over. If you are ok with that, I dont see any other problem.
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I tried this with a Nightforce and two rifles 'cus I was trying to be cheap... It was such a royal pain in the ass that I just bought another NF.
Never going to try that again.
I tried this with a Nightforce and two rifles 'cus I was trying to be cheap... It was such a royal pain in the ass that I just bought another NF.
Never going to try that again.
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I recently watched the Magpul Precision Rifle video and the instructor suggested it was better to buy a really nice optic and use it on all your rifles. He kept his mounted in a Larue OBR mount. I suppose with his skills he could re-zero in a couple of shots. It seemed like a pretty good argument to me. Instead of having a few mid-range/low-range scopes on all your rifles, spend the money on a really nice scope that you like and use it on all your rifles. I am by know means an expert, but last night I stayed at a Holiday Inn!
I recently watched the Magpul Precision Rifle video and the instructor suggested it was better to buy a really nice optic and use it on all your rifles. He kept his mounted in a Larue OBR mount. I suppose with his skills he could re-zero in a couple of shots. It seemed like a pretty good argument to me. Instead of having a few mid-range/low-range scopes on all your rifles, spend the money on a really nice scope that you like and use it on all your rifles. I am by know means an expert, but last night I stayed at a Holiday Inn!
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i suppose if everything is precise enough each and every time(repeatability of mounting method,ele/win adj AND you've tested many times between each rifle and it holds true EVERY time),then you can just keep notes of necessary adjustments between each rifle.
i've done this with different optics/QD mounts on one rifle(several optics for one rifle) but never the other way around(one optic for several rifles).
interesting,because it does open up the possibility(for those without lots of $) to buy/use one awesome scope of their choice between rifles with mounting commonalities/needs.
i suppose if everything is precise enough each and every time(repeatability of mounting method,ele/win adj AND you've tested many times between each rifle and it holds true EVERY time),then you can just keep notes of necessary adjustments between each rifle.
i've done this with different optics/QD mounts on one rifle(several optics for one rifle) but never the other way around(one optic for several rifles).
interesting,because it does open up the possibility(for those without lots of $) to buy/use one awesome scope of their choice between rifles with mounting commonalities/needs.
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If you shoot all the time at 100 (zeroing distance), go for it. If you end up coming to a range that starts at longer distances before you can zero at 100, you may end up wasting some ammo. Sure you can zero at those ranges as well, but there's a lot less signal to noise in that equation (wind, trigger control, etc. all play a bigger role).
My example is going to a local range that starts early morning at 100 and moves back throughout the day. If I need to zero and show up at noon, I'm hosed.
This is why I am no longer shooting my AR-10 - only have two scopes and 3 rifles.
If you shoot all the time at 100 (zeroing distance), go for it. If you end up coming to a range that starts at longer distances before you can zero at 100, you may end up wasting some ammo. Sure you can zero at those ranges as well, but there's a lot less signal to noise in that equation (wind, trigger control, etc. all play a bigger role).
My example is going to a local range that starts early morning at 100 and moves back throughout the day. If I need to zero and show up at noon, I'm hosed.
This is why I am no longer shooting my AR-10 - only have two scopes and 3 rifles.
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If you had a good quick release mount and verified that it was retaining zero on each rifle, it might be easier to do.
I went with a DTA SRS rifle and swap out the calibers, which have shown to be very repeatable. All I have to do is dial the adjustments into the scope for the new caliber and I am set.
If you had a good quick release mount and verified that it was retaining zero on each rifle, it might be easier to do.
I went with a DTA SRS rifle and swap out the calibers, which have shown to be very repeatable. All I have to do is dial the adjustments into the scope for the new caliber and I am set.
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See,...having a gun without a scope just seems like a really good excuse to buy another scope to me.
See,...having a gun without a scope just seems like a really good excuse to buy another scope to me.
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Retaining Zero may be that big of a deal with a laser boresighter?
Retaining Zero may be that big of a deal with a laser boresighter?
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I had a Steyr SSG69, which has its own proprietary dovetail machined into the receiver, and proprietary rings to match. There was a forward "stop" that provided a very consistent and repeatable absolute position for the scope. I could get 10-shot, 1/2 moa groups with that rifle, removing and replacing the scope after each shot.
I tried the same thing two other rifles, one with a Farrell pic rail, the other with a Badger. Not as good. Rifles that are normally 1/2 moa became 1.5 moa.
Try it for yourself, maybe your ring/base combo will be better than mine.
Also, you might could use a pic-rail accessory of some kind, or make one, that provides a deadstop akin to my Steyr, to increase your repeatability.
If I could prove out the repeatability, I'd have no issue swapping scopes routinely. If rezeroing was required each time though...fuck that.
I had a Steyr SSG69, which has its own proprietary dovetail machined into the receiver, and proprietary rings to match. There was a forward "stop" that provided a very consistent and repeatable absolute position for the scope. I could get 10-shot, 1/2 moa groups with that rifle, removing and replacing the scope after each shot.
I tried the same thing two other rifles, one with a Farrell pic rail, the other with a Badger. Not as good. Rifles that are normally 1/2 moa became 1.5 moa.
Try it for yourself, maybe your ring/base combo will be better than mine.
Also, you might could use a pic-rail accessory of some kind, or make one, that provides a deadstop akin to my Steyr, to increase your repeatability.
If I could prove out the repeatability, I'd have no issue swapping scopes routinely. If rezeroing was required each time though...fuck that.
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I would not SELL a scope in order to do what you are asking.
I always keep at least one "placeholder" scope around to drop on a rifle. It also serves as a backup if for some reason I have a scope die on me. Remember that scopes are the most precise and most fragile part of your system.
Now if I didn't have enough scopes to go around, I would do what you are asking about if I needed to keep another rifle in the rotation.
I would not SELL a scope in order to do what you are asking.
I always keep at least one "placeholder" scope around to drop on a rifle. It also serves as a backup if for some reason I have a scope die on me. Remember that scopes are the most precise and most fragile part of your system.
Now if I didn't have enough scopes to go around, I would do what you are asking about if I needed to keep another rifle in the rotation.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Also, you might could use a pic-rail accessory of some kind, or make one, that provides a deadstop akin to my Steyr, to increase your repeatability.</div></div>
Pic rails already have several "dead stops" in them. The key to swapping optics and retaining zero is to make sure you get it back into the same slot and seated forward every time.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Also, you might could use a pic-rail accessory of some kind, or make one, that provides a deadstop akin to my Steyr, to increase your repeatability.</div></div>
Pic rails already have several "dead stops" in them. The key to swapping optics and retaining zero is to make sure you get it back into the same slot and seated forward every time.
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They discussed that and were using the Larue IndexClips for reference position. They also swapped scopes with each other before re-zeroing in the field. Sorry... I just got the movie and have watched it twice already
They discussed that and were using the Larue IndexClips for reference position. They also swapped scopes with each other before re-zeroing in the field. Sorry... I just got the movie and have watched it twice already
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Delfuego</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They also swapped scopes with each other before re-zeroing in the field. Sorry... I just got the movie and have watched it twice already </div></div>Take it with a grain of salt, meaning watch it critically.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Delfuego</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They also swapped scopes with each other before re-zeroing in the field. Sorry... I just got the movie and have watched it twice already
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Also, you might could use a pic-rail accessory of some kind, or make one, that provides a deadstop akin to my Steyr, to increase your repeatability.</div></div>
Pic rails already have several "dead stops" in them. The key to swapping optics and retaining zero is to make sure you get it back into the same slot and seated forward every time. </div></div>
Kinda, but how precisely is the rearward facing face of each slot machined?
Also, what bears against that face? For most rings, it's the cross-screw, which is not a precision piece.
The steyr had a ground surface on the front face of the forward ring, to bear against the stop.
It was meant for the purpose. Most pic rails and rings are not.
Proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Fact is, it didn't work adequately with a typical pic rail/ring arrangement.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Also, you might could use a pic-rail accessory of some kind, or make one, that provides a deadstop akin to my Steyr, to increase your repeatability.</div></div>
Pic rails already have several "dead stops" in them. The key to swapping optics and retaining zero is to make sure you get it back into the same slot and seated forward every time. </div></div>
Kinda, but how precisely is the rearward facing face of each slot machined?
Also, what bears against that face? For most rings, it's the cross-screw, which is not a precision piece.
The steyr had a ground surface on the front face of the forward ring, to bear against the stop.
It was meant for the purpose. Most pic rails and rings are not.
Proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Fact is, it didn't work adequately with a typical pic rail/ring arrangement.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Delfuego</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They discussed that and were using the Larue IndexClips for reference position. They also swapped scopes with each other before re-zeroing in the field. Sorry... I just got the movie and have watched it twice already </div></div>
Get it out of your system now. Then sign up for some training at Rifles Only so they can teach you the right way to do it. The whole scope section of that video was a clusterfuck.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Delfuego</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They discussed that and were using the Larue IndexClips for reference position. They also swapped scopes with each other before re-zeroing in the field. Sorry... I just got the movie and have watched it twice already
Get it out of your system now. Then sign up for some training at Rifles Only so they can teach you the right way to do it. The whole scope section of that video was a clusterfuck.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Kinda, but how precisely is the rearward facing face of each slot machined?</div></div>
Depends on the manufacturer. I would wager that with a Seekins or Badger rail, it's probably dead on with the spec.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Also, what bears against that face? For most rings, it's the cross-screw, which is not a precision piece.</div></div>
Most of the rings and mounts I use actually have a lug on the bottom. They don't bear on the cross-bolt. This is something to look for in this type of system.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Fact is, it didn't work adequately with a typical pic rail/ring arrangement.</div></div>
That is true and why I have been testing mounts. I have two down and two on the bench ready to go for when I get the chance. When I am done with the mounts I have a couple of ring sets I will be testing as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Kinda, but how precisely is the rearward facing face of each slot machined?</div></div>
Depends on the manufacturer. I would wager that with a Seekins or Badger rail, it's probably dead on with the spec.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Also, what bears against that face? For most rings, it's the cross-screw, which is not a precision piece.</div></div>
Most of the rings and mounts I use actually have a lug on the bottom. They don't bear on the cross-bolt. This is something to look for in this type of system.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Fact is, it didn't work adequately with a typical pic rail/ring arrangement.</div></div>
That is true and why I have been testing mounts. I have two down and two on the bench ready to go for when I get the chance. When I am done with the mounts I have a couple of ring sets I will be testing as well.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take it with a grain of salt</div></div>Everything with a grain of salt... I'm a born skeptic. But interesting to see people try new things
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take it with a grain of salt</div></div>Everything with a grain of salt... I'm a born skeptic. But interesting to see people try new things
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I swap a T1 in a qd mount between a couple ARs. The clicks to move from one to the other are written down, and each rifle is marked with a sharpie where the optic goes. Agree with previous posters though, would not want to do this with a scope that needed to be re-zeroed every time.
I swap a T1 in a qd mount between a couple ARs. The clicks to move from one to the other are written down, and each rifle is marked with a sharpie where the optic goes. Agree with previous posters though, would not want to do this with a scope that needed to be re-zeroed every time.
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I think the cons far outweigh the pros
I think the cons far outweigh the pros
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