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k98 sniper rifle is done!

Flint62a1

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My gunsmith said yeah it's done, so like any red blooded all American boy I ducked out of work, picked it up and went shooting!!
Late war 1944, mount from accumounts, Leather scope covers fron Ken Huddle, scope is a repro that I got from a fellow shooting bum who wasn't happy with it. I am!!
I got it sighted in but need to shim the rear ring, I'm set at the 700 yard mark for 100 yard zero.

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Very nice!

Before you adding shims you might be able to loosen the screws on the elevation dail and turn the dial with the numbers on it so the yardage number matches the range you have it zeroed at.

(I have one one the repro ZF39 scopes and that`s what I was able to do very easily so the range on the elevation dial matches the range I`m zeroed at without adding shims, etc.)
 
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Thanks DV, I was concerned that I would not have enough elevation left in the scope to get out to 600 yards. My plan is to shoot the CMP's Vintage Sniper Match. That's why I thought it would be necessary to shim the scope.

Kevin
 
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Looks good! How does it shoot?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My gunsmith said yeah it's done, so like any red blooded all American boy I ducked out of work, picked it up and went shooting!!</div></div>

I would have done the same thing!
 
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With my handloads I got inch and a half at 100 yards. But I really didn't wring it out. That will come this weekend. That steel cased crap didn't shoot at all. Big surprise.

Yea I only thought about staying at work for about five minutes then I was out of there. Can't help myself.
 
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How do you shoot a scope with such high rings? My K98 has just a scout mount with a Leupold M8-4x, and my cheek just sits lightly on the stock. With a pad it will be OK.
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Win308, It does take a little getting used to for sure. The scope makes it easy, the optics are just ok. But that works in the sense that if my eye is in the right spot, and only the right spot, then the picture is absolutely clear. If my head position is off just a bit the picture is not right(read that awful). So when the picture snaps into focus I start my trigger squeeze. simple..........ahem.
Once you get used to the chin weld that is.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Win308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do you shoot a scope with such high rings? My K98 has just a scout mount with a Leupold M8-4x, and my cheek just sits lightly on the stock. With a pad it will be OK.
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There's a trick to this that my grandfather showed me that he was shown and used with his K98.

The stock is too low to offer a true cheekweld so you need to use other things for reference; he 'learned' where on the contour of the stock his face would sit, and as a reference, he would scoot his face up on the stock until he ever so slightly had the front of his chin touch the middle finger on his shooting hand that was wrapped around the stock, under the trigger. The optic would be slide forward/back in the rings until he would not have any blacking out in the optic while assuming his 'hold'. It's sort of a 'nose to charging handle' thing.

Make sense?

I've done this with my BCD4 LSR and once you get used to it, it works perfectly.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Macktheweldor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks DV, I was concerned that I would not have enough elevation left in the scope to get out to 600 yards. My plan is to shoot the CMP's Vintage Sniper Match. That's why I thought it would be necessary to shim the scope.

Kevin </div></div>

Did you end up shimming the scope? Was curious what you used because I have been considering doing the same, and my initial attempt with cut up soda can aluminum worked itself out after 5 rounds.
 
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Herr German, Either sunday or monday I'll be at the club. I'll post a report as soon as I'm done there.
To answer your question, I have plastic shim stock that I got from a machinist buddy. It's supposedly not affected by oil, and will not crush.
I don't remember the exact measurement but I'll be sure to put it in my range report.
Kevin
 
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Nice job!!

+1 on the shims....

Here's some notes I did for another Hide member (who used an SSR mount) on ZF39 scope adjustment....hope it helps:

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There are four main ways to adjust various parts of the elevation on the ZF39.

Windage adjustment is not possible - this has to be done on the SSR mount/base.

If you look at the pic above you will see:

1)The knurled steel elevation (or azimuth as the manual translation calls it) ring. On my scope I have replaced the original unmarked version with a calibrated military version.

The uncalibrated version was more often associated with the civilian /commercial scopes and the ring was made of brass. this was frequently scored by the user to note zero or BDC for their chosen distances/ammo.

Elevation is clockwise on these scopes.

2) The knurled brass screw at the rear of the turret - this is the lock for the elevation turret - very simple operation....tighten to lock, loosen to adjust.

3) On the top of the turret there are three screws - these can be loosened (BUT NOT REMOVED) to disconnect the elevation mechanism from the reticle for rezeroing the turret.

4) The painted black rotating adjuster on the top of the turret is for +/- adjusting the reticule focus.

How to zero/adjust?

The prcoess is as per any other zero but (on my scope) I use 100m as the calibrations are marked out to 800m in 100m increments.

If the shot is low, loosen the brass (rear) locking screw and adjust clockwise. If high, anti-clockwise.

The real pain is that there are no clicks and very little movement is required (for example on my scope the distance between the 100m mark and the 300m mark is exactly the elevation needed to move the shot form 100yds to 300yds with the HPS ammo I use.

Once zerod at the chosen distance you will need to rezero the turret.

To do this loosen the three slot head screws in the top of the turret (you may have to rotate the focus knob to do this but there is just enough clearance under it to make this possible. Again...DO NOT REMOVE THESE SCREWS!.

This wil free the elevation ring to rotate freely without moving the reticule.

Move the ring so that the required distance mark line lines up with the line and arrowhead on the flat portion in front of the lock screw (in the pic above mine is slighty off - the white mark to the left of the "1" should align.

Retighten the three screws, refocus the reticule as you would on any other scope using the adjustment knob on the top of the turret and you should be good to go.

HOWEVER...there is limited elevation travel internally.

If you run out in either direction and are unable to zero, the best way to sort this out is to have the front or rear post of the mount's adjusted (ground/shimmed) as required.

Do not be tempted to remove the side rail from the wall of the receiver, weld and then re-drill.

If you can get hold of (beg/borow/steal ) a copy of Law's "Sniper Variations" volume fo the BBotW there is a reprint and translation of the ZF39 manual in it.....
 
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I got a chance to really give the k98 a good workout today.
First observation? This is a whole different game,obviously.
The fact that the glass is so high over the bore makes for an interesting hold when shooting. It took a while to get comfortable with it but once that was done it was time to try some handloads.
This is the best of the day, 47.5 gr. IMR-4895 Sierra 175 spitzer
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I also tried some Sellier&Bellot ammo, 196 gr. FMJ
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A bit of verticle stringing but otherwise not bad.
I had other handloads but it'll be hard to beat the results from the top photo.
This was all done from the bench, at 100 yards.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Macktheweldor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got a chance to really give the k98 a good workout today.
First observation? This is a whole different game,obviously.
The fact that the glass is so high over the bore makes for an interesting hold when shooting. It took a while to get comfortable with it but once that was done it was time to try some handloads.
This is the best of the day, 47.5 gr. IMR-4895 Sierra 175 spitzer
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I also tried some Sellier&Bellot ammo, 196 gr. FMJ
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A bit of verticle stringing but otherwise not bad.
I had other handloads but it'll be hard to beat the results from the top photo.
This was all done from the bench, at 100 yards.
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Did you end up shimming it or did the internal adjustments work out for you?

I didn't see how many rounds you said you fired. With the wood stock and the scope setup, especially from having just come from the smith, I have noticed that it can take upwards of 50 rounds for the receiver to 'settle'. While its normally less, I have seen some stubborn mismatched rifles.

Also make sure your receiver screws and scope screws aren't moving; mark them and check. These will cause havoc on your groups.

This comes into stock and receiver fit, but that's a whole other thread.

Reloading for the K98 for me has always led me back to the 196 or 200 grain HPBT bullets, but see what works for you.

Good luck!
 
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Herr German, I left the shims in only because I think I'll need the adjustment to get me out to 600 yards. Otherwise the scope works fine.
I have put about 50 rounds thru it so far, and the action screws seem like they are holding up.
I am loading sierra 175's and imr-4895 as you can see it works fairly well. For match shooting I'm going to try the 200 gr. boattails from sierra. More on that later.
So I reset the knob for 100 yards, and now it's time to get off the bench and start shooting this rifle like it's supposed to be!!!
I wanted to ask you is the Gebirgsjager Bayern an re-enactment outfit? Do they have a website?
Thanks, Kevin
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Macktheweldor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Herr German, I left the shims in only because I think I'll need the adjustment to get me out to 600 yards. Otherwise the scope works fine.
I have put about 50 rounds thru it so far, and the action screws seem like they are holding up.
I am loading sierra 175's and imr-4895 as you can see it works fairly well. For match shooting I'm going to try the 200 gr. boattails from sierra. More on that later.
So I reset the knob for 100 yards, and now it's time to get off the bench and start shooting this rifle like it's supposed to be!!!
I wanted to ask you is the Gebirgsjager Bayern an re-enactment outfit? Do they have a website?
Thanks, Kevin </div></div>

What did you use for shims? Curious because whenever I tried to shim my BCD4 I ended up with them working themselves out after 10-15 rounds.

I am actually a real Gebirgsjager and was deployed with the 10th Panzer /23rd Gebirgsjagerbrigade as part of KFOR in Kosovo.

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Herr German, Sorry for the confusion.
I used a plastic shim material that I got from a machinist at work. I dont know the name, but it's available in sheets, in all thicknesses. It is supposedly impervious to oil and will not crush.
I use it to shim the vise on my mill and that thing weighs 100 pounds!!
If you need some PM me and I'll get some to you.
Kevin
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Macktheweldor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Herr German, Sorry for the confusion.
I used a plastic shim material that I got from a machinist at work. I dont know the name, but it's available in sheets, in all thicknesses. It is supposedly impervious to oil and will not crush.
I use it to shim the vise on my mill and that thing weighs 100 pounds!!
If you need some PM me and I'll get some to you.
Kevin </div></div>

Sure. If you put that many rounds down range and it hasn't worked itself out, that would be something I'd like to try.
 
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Drove down Pennsylvania way on Monday and had a chance to shoot the rifle out to 600 yards.
I love the way this rifle shoots, I made first round hits on steel from 300 to 600 yards. I don't know who got a bigger kick out of it, me or my spotter- who by the way sold me this rifle.
We had good conditions to shoot in, and once you remember that the numbers on the elevation ring arte for meters and not yards it made for a great afternoon. 196gr bullet 50 gr rel-17 was the load.
I wish I had video to share but that'll have to wait till next time.
 
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Way to go great story on a great rifle.
 
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for a mauser to shot better is the right way to toque the receiver bolts right ..it makes a world of difference !!!
 
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start with the front bolt is tight and line up the locking notch screw ..the rear bolt is just line up with locking notch screw with no /little tension to upper receiver to lower trigger plate ..its a done with feel for what rifle likes ...my fn sniper loves this set up..so record the what the rifle likes ...
 
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Not much to add to this thread, other than you guys have some nice Mausers there. I'm green with envy!