Hunting & Fishing Bayed Coyote.

[ggmanning]

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Hunting with hounds is very common here in the South. Not my thing except coon hunting but I also have nothing against it. Most dog hunters care more about working the dogs than killing the animal. I know many that run their beagles, setters and hounds just for the chase and the point and don't kill anything. I also see nothing wrong with killing the animal/bird either. To each his own. What some of you see as barbaric is legal and loved by many. It is a solid part of the culture where I grew up and live. I just don't get the attacks. I am sure somebody out there sees shooting an animal from several hundred yards with electronic calls and and a super dooper rifle as not much sport. I for one enjoy all of it at different times and see a place for any manner of legally taking game. Trapping is common here also and I suppose you same folks jumping this thread would hold your choice of killing above that too. Just because you neither do it or understand it does not make it wrong or your view superior to someone else's.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Just because you <span style="font-weight: bold">neither do it</span> or <span style="font-weight: bold">understand it</span> does not make it wrong or <span style="font-weight: bold">your view superior</span> to someone else's. </div></div>

Yeah, I and the others replying here-in don't hunt and have no idea what hunting is all about...

I hunt year-round, and do quite well. I shoot a lot of yotes/p-dogs as payment to farmers for the use of their land during goose/duck season. The difference is that I don't play with them or take the time to snap a picture of a frightened animal doing so would, among other things, get me thrown off the farmer's land. After they're dead sure, no problem but part of being an ethical hunter is not being a sociopath about it. That kind of hunting makes us all look bad to those who seek to do away with our ability to hunt.

Here's one of my recent yotes, one second running towards what it thought was a meal, the next head-shot and instantly dead all without needless torture. For the record, I have zero problems hunting with dogs and I do hunt with dogs (birds) and would love to try a mountain lion hunt with dogs, my problem is in the needless torture part. If you have an animal bayed/treed with dogs you should be pulling the trigger not snapping a picture.

 

[ggmanning]

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That is a decent point....I took the backlash to be about hound hunting. My misunderstanding apparently. It appears we are in total agreement about hunting with dogs being just fine....although my comment was general and not aimed at anyone. There are more and more hunters against dogs and my experience with those folks it what colored my view of what was being pointed out as the problem.

So for my score card:
Dog hunting and raising hounds.........good at it
Reading comprehension.....maybe not so good

 

[Bradu]

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I would like to see one of you guys try to pull 3-4 walkers off a coyote so you could put a bullet in it.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ggmanning</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is a decent point....I took the backlash to be about hound hunting. My misunderstanding apparently. It appears we are in total agreement about hunting with dogs being just fine....although my comment was general and not aimed at anyone. There are more and more hunters against dogs and my experience with those folks it what colored my view of what was being pointed out as the problem.

So for my score card:
Dog hunting and raising hounds.........good at it
Reading comprehension.....maybe not so good </div></div>

Well, that's my beef with it, I can't speak for the others but I would suspect their reasoning is along the same lines given that I know two of the other "detractors" hunt and one is hopefully joining my crew for elk this year and another has an open invite for 'yotes. No worries on the score card, I don't think this conversation ever evolved to illuminate the exact problem but again, that's just my take on it.

 

[InsidetheStorm]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InsidetheStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how they die does not matter </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InsidetheStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">humane is important</div></div>

Dont those two statements comflict eachother a little bit? </div></div>

Not really... I think one can be humane and unsympathetic at the same time.

 

[Big Bone]

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Interesting read, thank you guys for sharing. Honestly I didn't even know dogs could chase down and trap a coyote let alone tear it to bits.

Giving it some thought though I would not want to sit there and watch my dogs tear essentially another dog to pieces. I would call that morbid especially when I have the means to quickly end the animals misery and fear at my disposal. I'm not saying we don't varmint hunt, heaven knows I've killed my share of little critters but if somehow the roles were reversed and my captors were either going to rip me to apart with dogs or shoot me and there was no means of escape, I'd be asking for the bullet.

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InsidetheStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InsidetheStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how they die does not matter </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: InsidetheStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">humane is important</div></div>

Dont those two statements comflict eachother a little bit? </div></div>

Not really... I think one can be humane and unsympathetic at the same time. </div></div>

you don't understand the meaning of humane.

 

[ballsdeep]

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Damn, I can't believe this thread is still going, I have no sympathy for a coyote. If anyone one of you has ever seen what they do to livestock you "should" understand.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ballsdeep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn, I can't believe this thread is still going, I have no sympathy for a coyote. If anyone one of you has ever seen what they do to livestock you "should" understand.

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What one animal does to another animal is immaterial here, that is unless you're subscribing yourself to their level, i.e. admitting that you don't have the ability to 'reason' which might actually explain a lot...

 

[normbal]

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Does hunting stray cats count for anything? I find it more challenging than deer hunting. A neighbor puts out corn and grain almost daily to feed the deer that roam through our neighborhood spreading ehrlichiosis babesiosis and lyme (oh my) and I do my best to lure them into my yard several times a year with a feeder myself so I can harvest one or two from my second story window with a longbow. Or a suppressed .22 but I'll deny it to the day I die.

But the cats, man they're hard to spot, much less cap from far away, so mostly I trap and drown them. When I lived on Oahu years ago I used to keep two havaheart traps and the animal control brudda would stop by about twice a week for pickup. They don't do that here in the free state and the woods nearby are lousy with 'em.

I think of it as performing a service for my community and it keeps the cat shit out of my garden.

 

[Ark. Trapper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like to see one of you guys try to pull 3-4 walkers off a coyote so you could put a bullet in it.</div></div>
+1!! You folks that are raising hell about this have obviously never tried to pull 3 or 4 75lb hounds off of a varmint they were bred and trained to kill. Trying to do so is the #1 best way ever to get dog bit, or even worse, coyote bit.
The bickering and pissing back and forth between groups of hunters is crazy. If you don't like the fact that somebody lets their dogs catch varmints then turn your head, keep your mouth shut and mind your own damn business. If you don't like the fact that somebody else shoots a varmint from 1500 yards away then turn your head, keep your mouth shut and mind your own damn business. It's really simple! Just my .02.

 

[ballsdeep]

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GFYS, my father and I , and both grandfathers have lost livestock to coyotes, I will kill them anyway I see fit....

 

[my human host]

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A simple question for the houndsmen: Can you fellas stop your dogs at property lines? The guys I know that use them either can't or don't try. I'm not messing with you or looking for a pissing match. Just asking a simple qeustion.

 

[ggmanning]

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You just need dogs like Jerry Clowers' that stop barking on posted land. Serious answer is it's impossible to dog hunt with respect unless you have very large tracts of land. The exception would be slower chase dogs like beagles/rabbits or treeing dogs and good populations of coons.

 

[Ark. Trapper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: my human host</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A simple question for the houndsmen: Can you fellas stop your dogs at property lines? The guys I know that use them either can't or don't try. I'm not messing with you or looking for a pissing match. Just asking a simple qeustion.</div></div>
The simple answer is no. The only way do do that would be to have a dogproof fence around the place you're hunting. These dogs are bred to chase game. That's what they do. They see a fence as just another obstacle like a brushpile or briar thicket. They have no reasoning power to know when they are crossing onto posted property or any other property.

 

[my human host]

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Thank you for the straight answer.

 

[ballsdeep]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: my human host</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A simple question for the houndsmen: Can you fellas stop your dogs at property lines? The guys I know that use them either can't or don't try. I'm not messing with you or looking for a pissing match. Just asking a simple qeustion. </div></div>

We try to kill the coyote when they cross the roads if they are heading into somewhere we aren't supposed to be on, however in Iowa we dont have trespassing laws for dogs thank god....

I have permission to hunt on quite a bit of land within a 15 mile radius at least.....

We only had problems with one landowner this year, I grew up with him and he chewed on one of the guys in our group until he figured out who he was and who he was hunting with. I saw his parents about a half hour later and they didn't give a shit it is their land after all.....

 

[Bradu]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ark. Trapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like to see one of you guys try to pull 3-4 walkers off a coyote so you could put a bullet in it.</div></div>
+1!! You folks that are raising hell about this have obviously never tried to pull 3 or 4 75lb hounds off of a varmint they were bred and trained to kill. Trying to do so is the #1 best way ever to get dog bit, or even worse, coyote bit.
The bickering and pissing back and forth between groups of hunters is crazy. If you don't like the fact that somebody lets their dogs catch varmints then turn your head, keep your mouth shut and mind your own damn business. If you don't like the fact that somebody else shoots a varmint from 1500 yards away then turn your head, keep your mouth shut and mind your own damn business. It's really simple! Just my .02. </div></div>

My thoughts exactly! As far as when we were hunting with dogs, we had permission from all but two landowners in the areas we hunted. The one ended up stopping us on the road one day and begged us to hunt by his house since the coyotes got their dog off the front porch one night. The other one didn't want us on his land and we did everything we could to keep them off his property. He actually set traps to try to get our hounds if they did make it on his land. Part of the reason we sold the dogs is so many people lease ground to deer hunters that we started losing our places to hunt.

 

[Kodiak61]

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All eco, earth, morality and jesus talks aside that is a cool picture.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[DirtyDave]

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Any more pics? Love seeing dogs work

 

[teamr2]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DirtyDave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any more pics? Love seeing dogs work </div></div>

Me too. Have hunted Lions, Bobcats, Black Bears, and hogs with dogs. Simply an amazing way to hunt. I've made the comment to more than one houndsman that I think the dogs love this more than we do. Few other styles of hunting require so much practice and preparation in the off season to make it work. Saw a hound "rig" a Lion last year in Utah. I've seen them "rig" bears before plenty of times but to see it on a Lion and eventually catch it was incredible.