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Hog Saddle Review - Updated

LawnMM

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    I have been meaning to expand my skill set a bit recently. Signed up for some tactical style competitions this year, been trying to expand some of my training at home as well. A lot of shooting these days is moving away from the prone. I believe this is because a lot of tactical styled competitions and shooting schools tend to mirror what the current trends in Military and Law Enforcement are moving toward.

    I try to do a bunch of reading on that subject. I work in LE and I think Military engagements are foreshadowing for those of us in the LE field. What our guys are doing abroad is likely to eventually be either copied here at home, or brought to our doorstep by extremists.

    I have a rifle saddle from PRS that I bought with one of their mini tripods. I gave that a run last week and quickly saw some strengths and weaknesses. For the money, that unit is hard to beat. However, I believe it best served from a good seated/supported position, or from the prone, where the saddle allows you to cant and pan with ease. However, at least for me, it proved quite difficult from seated and standing off a tripod to get a stable enough base to make shots at intermediate (500yds) ranges.

    So I bit the bullet and bought one of the Hog Saddles from Shadow Tech.

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    The Hog saddle is kind of pricey, the non Mil-Spec version is 275.00. Initially that was a put off for me. I'm glad I bit the bullet. The build quality of the saddle is excellent and it works very well at providing support and a stable shooting platform off a tripod.

    I had done some reading on the saddle and it was recommended that it be mounted directly to the tripod and not to a quick change mount or ball head. I opted to try it a few different ways to see how it worked out. They are right about the quick change mounts, even the Manfrotto versions introduce some play and wiggle that you are better off without. I didn't notice a big difference between directly mounting to a Manfrotto ball head, and straight to the tripod. The ease of adjustment that comes with the ball is worth it in my opinion and its how I eventually settled on the setup.

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    Performance wise, I noticed an immediate improvement in my ability to hit targets off sitting and standing shots. I tested the saddle at 340 yards and 540 yards respectively. At 340 yards I went 5 for 5 sitting, and 2 for 2 standing shooting at the head on my target.

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    My handloads are just under 2.90" COAL so I did a little better than MOA shooting at 340 yards across 7 consecutive shots. I did neglect my pre-shot checklist and forgot to dial my dope in on the first three shots. So I wound up pretty low on the first three...though with somewhat amusing results!

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    Two hits on the 4x4 post, blew right through and out the other side! Little dremel work when I got home made it useable again. Plus they are pretty cheap at Home Depot, so if they get torn up I'm not going to cry about it.

    Some shots from the 300 yard line (340 to my target on the berm)...

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    Results at the 500 yard line were similar. I went 4 for 5 sitting and 5 for 7 standing, all attempts on center mass. Its definitely different shooting from a tripod. You can do a lot to stabilize your position but there's always some movement of the cross hairs. Forces you to really focus on controlling your breathing and minimizing movement. You really have to concentrate on trigger control as well, its important to break the shot when crosshair movement is minimized and you have them on target with the proper hold for windage.

    Adjusting for parallax while seated or standing? Maybe the pro's can pull it off, I can't. The trick I find is to get it set up from prone, if possible, then move to the alternate position. Tactically that presents an issue if you can't get a view of the target from prone in the first place, it raises the question how do you get it set in that situation? I say either get a view of something at the same range that you can get centered on prone, or set the rifle on the tripod, maximize the eye relief, and do your best to adjust it without directly contacting and influencing the rifle while you do it. Its hard to separate parallax movement from flex in the tripod legs, wind, etc. when the rifle is sitting on the tripod.

    The saddle does work as a rest for a spotting scope. However, it doesn't work right side up on a Folded Light Path spotter like Leupold, Bushnell, Etc. If you flip it upside down, it works just fine and clamps on the thinner side of the spotter. The Bushnell mildot reticle isn't orientation specific so it works just fine upside down. Can't speak for other spotter reticles I don't have any experience with.

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    Just got a decent deal on a little 78x video camera so I will see if I can add some video to this later this weekend. I'm on vacation through next week so if anybody has a question or a concern I didn't address if you let me know I'll see if I can work it in. All in all though, its a great piece of gear, produced in the USA and made by an Armed Services Veteran. You can't go wrong with it.

    Rich
     
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    Just for my reference, what model tripod/ ball head are you using? I have the prs and love it, if price wasn't an issue this looks like it would be a great set-up.
     
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    Tripod is a Manfrotto 190x and the ball is a 486RC2. To clarify, I love my PRS tripod. I have the shorty version and its great for prone spotting scope work and rifle panning.

    I'm just loving the added stability from a rifle saddle that lets you LOCK the rifle to it, rather than rest it upon it on its own weight. I'm not planning on selling my PRS =)
     
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    I love my PRS also but the legs tend to flex when I'm at a standing position. Note that I'm around 6'2" and it's holding an AI AE which is alot to ask for any tripod.
     
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    My rifle isn't a light weight by any means with a 24" M40 contour. The Manfrotto doesn't flex, per se, but it does settle slightly when I drop my monster into the Hog Saddle. The angle of the legs plays into it heavily also. While longer and wider tend to be more stable, it also allows some flex or settle into the equation. I only noticed it when I had the legs kicked out wide and extended to the second length or wider.

    With the tripod legs kept pretty tight it was solid.
     
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    Thanks for the reveiw ,I've been looking for this kind of info on here for the last couple of weeks !
     
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    Hmmmmm.......$275?

    Well built or not, that's just nuts for what it is.
     
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    Nice review.
    I shot off a hog saddle once. Solid piece of gear. My only hesitation is that it doesn't tighten down enough to hold a McRee Precision Chassis. The McRee is pretty narrow, and the hog saddle doesn't clamp that far.
    McRee guys can still fire from it like a normal tripod, but that kind of defeats the purpose of spending that much money on a tripod clamp, in my opinion.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmmm.......$275?

    Well built or not, that's just nuts for what it is. </div></div>

    I said the same thing, then I tried a regular saddle and figured this was worth a shot. I don't regret the decision.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thehjot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice review.
    I shot off a hog saddle once. Solid piece of gear. My only hesitation is that it doesn't tighten down enough to hold a McRee Precision Chassis. The McRee is pretty narrow, and the hog saddle doesn't clamp that far.
    McRee guys can still fire from it like a normal tripod, but that kind of defeats the purpose of spending that much money on a tripod clamp, in my opinion. </div></div>

    How wide is the McRee handguard in front of the magwell? I'd like to see how small the Hog Saddle can clamp down. If you measure a McRee or if somebody else posts measurements I will compare it to see if anything has changed. Those guys at Shadow Tech might do well to make a smaller version, and maybe a wider version as well, to accommodate the different chassis systems and stocks available. They could also machine the track in tighter so it clamps down and make the whole thing slightly wider and accomplish the same thing with one unit.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is the hog saddle plastic/steel/ally??? Just what in it makes up 275????
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    Its CNC'd aluminum, with rubber pads, and a steel crossbolt. The mounts for the actual tripod screws are steel inserts like a helicoil. It's also manufactured in the USA. Small design details like that, and producing it here by competent US Labor drive the price up. I'm sure they could make it cheaper if they sourced it to a country that pays its workers in yen or pesos but I don't have a problem supporting a homegrown and USA loyal company.

    Its also something of a cornered market, the only other clamp style rest I'm aware of is Alamo Four Star's DCLW and it runs upwards of 220. Not exactly in a different price bracket.

    Rich
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LawnMM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    How wide is the McRee handguard in front of the magwell? I'd like to see how small the Hog Saddle can clamp down. If you measure a McRee or if somebody else posts measurements I will compare it to see if anything has changed. </div></div>

    Just using a ruler for a quick measure, the McRee is right at 1.5" in front of the magwell. It's the same width all the way down to the tip of the forend.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LawnMM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tripod is a Manfrotto 190x and the ball is a 486RC2. To clarify, I love my PRS tripod. I have the shorty version and its great for prone spotting scope work and rifle panning.

    I'm just loving the added stability from a rifle saddle that lets you LOCK the rifle to it, rather than rest it upon it on its own weight. I'm not planning on selling my PRS =)</div></div>

    Does your Manfrotto have Carbon Fiber or Aluminum legs??? Both Manfrotto's are only rated for 11.5 lbs. and the Slik Sprint (PRS) is rated for 4.4 lbs... I'm just worried that my rifle will exceed both weight ratings...
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emouse</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is the hog saddle plastic/steel/ally??? Just what in it makes up 275????
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    Quality , craftmanship , design , it worths its price 100% IMHO ,

    PP out
     
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    of course none of us need to do it,
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    but what if a follow up shot is required?

    or is it just a tool for a 1 shot, do a high five, reset and shoot again 5 minutes later kinda deal?

    just asking as i've never used one, but it would seem to me that everything would have to be reset after every shot as recoil would not only pop out the rifle, but reloacate the legs too.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">of course none of us need to do it,
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    but what if a follow up shot is required?

    or is it just a tool for a 1 shot, do a high five, reset and shoot again 5 minutes later kinda deal?

    just asking as i've never used one, but it would seem to me that everything would have to be reset after every shot as recoil would not only pop out the rifle, but reloacate the legs too.

    </div></div>

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    Here you go TBURKES PRS TRIPOD REVIEW/COMPARISON <-- Link

    Lots of good pics of different tripods.

    Not saying the leg system on the PRS is better, I wouldn't know but here is a 45 pound plate on a PRS. There might be some leg flex with a really heavy rifle but I don't think it's going to damage/cause the PRS to fail.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: platypus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here are a couple of pictures of the large with a 45# plate on it. The maunufacture does not rate this kit for this much weight but fortunately for the end user they over engineered it.
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    I had two reported failures with this tripod, one was sent back to me and promptly replaced due to a manufactures defect, and the other failure was mentioned in a post but when I asked him to send it back for inspection and replacement I never heard from him again. Now I do not recommend its use as a jack stand for the old pickup but for the shooting community I have been very happy with its perfomance all over the world and in the hands of some hard chargers that are not know for the genteel way in which they use their gear. Any questions please do not hesitate to let me know.

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">of course none of us need to do it,
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    but what if a follow up shot is required?</div></div>

    I have GOT to get out and finish the video for this. My test pig for the HOG Saddle was a .308 AR10. At 300 yards I dumped a ten round magazine into the plate. With a Manfrotto 055XPROB and the HOG Saddle clamped down I was able to come right back on target after each shot. It does take ability on your part. If you get loose on the rifle the tripod can squirm around. However I didn't have much of an issue and the guy with his varmint killer AR15 tried it and loved it. He was slamming away at the plates.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronson90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Does your Manfrotto have Carbon Fiber or Aluminum legs??? Both Manfrotto's are only rated for 11.5 lbs. and the Slik Sprint (PRS) is rated for 4.4 lbs... I'm just worried that my rifle will exceed both weight ratings... </div></div>

    The aluminum 055XPROB will support a 18lb rifle with no problem at it's highest extension (which is too high to shoot from when standing on the same level).
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">of course none of us need to do it,
    whistle.gif
    but what if a follow up shot is required?

    or is it just a tool for a 1 shot, do a high five, reset and shoot again 5 minutes later kinda deal?

    just asking as i've never used one, but it would seem to me that everything would have to be reset after every shot as recoil would not only pop out the rifle, but reloacate the legs too.

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    Just like loading bipods in the prone, the Hog Saddle allows the shooter to lean into the rifle and tripod to better manage recoil. Rapid follow up shots are easy.
    If you allow the rifle to recoil freely then tripod hop will be experienced.



    Here are some short video clips of follow up shots off the Hog Saddle. Hopefully in the future I'll have more extensive video clips.

    This is of some Marines shooting small steel targets at 400 yards out of a MOUT town hide. The rifle is a 7.62 M110 SASS. (sorry for the grainy cell phone quality, the room was dark)
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=110871409021737

    At 1:30 and 6:45 of this Shot Show 2012 video you'll see a suppressed AAC rifle shooting the 300 Blackout round at a 1/2 sized ISPC target at 200 yards.
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronson90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does your Manfrotto have Carbon Fiber or Aluminum legs??? Both Manfrotto's are only rated for 11.5 lbs. and the Slik Sprint (PRS) is rated for 4.4 lbs... I'm just worried that my rifle will exceed both weight ratings... </div></div>

    Aluminum legs. There's very little flex with the legs kicked out wide, when they are in closer there is none.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">of course none of us need to do it,
    whistle.gif
    but what if a follow up shot is required?

    or is it just a tool for a 1 shot, do a high five, reset and shoot again 5 minutes later kinda deal?

    just asking as i've never used one, but it would seem to me that everything would have to be reset after every shot as recoil would not only pop out the rifle, but reloacate the legs too.
    </div></div>

    Its very much like properly loading a bipod. I had no trouble staying on target. I got a little more movement in the scope but was still able to spot my hits/misses. The rifle never dislodged from the Hog Saddle, and the bipod legs didn't jump either. Your results may vary but I found putting my support hand either on one of the tripod legs, or directly on the shaft above the ball not only helped steady the shot, but mitigated <span style="text-decoration: line-through">bipod</span> tripod hop.

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AMTeam4</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">of course none of us need to do it,
    whistle.gif
    but what if a follow up shot is required?

    or is it just a tool for a 1 shot, do a high five, reset and shoot again 5 minutes later kinda deal?

    just asking as i've never used one, but it would seem to me that everything would have to be reset after every shot as recoil would not only pop out the rifle, but reloacate the legs too.

    </div></div>
    Just like loading bipods in the prone, the Hog Saddle allows the shooter to lean into the rifle and tripod to better manage recoil. Rapid follow up shots are easy.
    If you allow the rifle to recoil freely then tripod hop will be experienced.

    Here are some short video clips of follow up shots off the Hog Saddle. Hopefully in the future I'll have more extensive video clips.

    This is of some Marines shooting small steel targets at 400 yards out of a MOUT town hide. The rifle is a 7.62 M110 SASS. (sorry for the grainy cell phone quality, the room was dark)
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=110871409021737

    At 1:30 and 6:45 of this Shot Show 2012 video you'll see a suppressed AAC rifle shooting the 300 Blackout round at a 1/2 sized ISPC target at 200 yards.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVx9bvayVM </div></div>

    Just like the man says, load the tripod up right and don't pussy around when the rifle recoils and it won't hop around on you. Just like with a bipod, if you aren't squared up, if you don't load it, the tripod is going to move.

    I'm going to hit the range on Tuesday and will bring my shiny new camcorder. Its not super duper HD or anything but I will try to get a few shots off and throw it on youtube. See if I can't do some semi rapid (not exceeding my own meager skill level) follow ups to show its certainly possible.

    Rich
     
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    Awesome piece of kit!

    We use the Hog Saddle either mounted directly to a Manfrotto PROB or with a ball head. No problems either way.

    Solid set up for single shots or rapid/multiple target engagement.

    The Hog Saddle is worth every penny in my opinion!

    S/F
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bronson90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bought a Milspec Hog Saddle (OD) and Manfrotto 190XB today, can't wait to get them!!! </div></div>
    That will be a nice combo, I might be a little jealous
     
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    So here's a bit of an update. Some of you asked how easy follow up shots would be so I've kinda dove headfirst into youtube so take pity on my editing skills. I shot some video of 5 shots standing at 348 yards, and 5 shots sitting at 550 yards. The chest on the target is 10" across and the head is about 6" or so.

    Before I get to that, I also installed the upgraded knob assembly on my Hog Saddle. Here are some pics.

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    So is the upgraded knob worth it? Eh, hard to say. If you shoot a square range and aren't Mil/LEO then its probably not necessary. Honestly, its a nicely machined knob and if you're going to take the plunge on the Hog Saddle you may as well splurge the extra few bucks for the knob. Just my opinion. It may not be a necessity, but it compliments the package nicely, and you can use the tripod as a weapon without fear of busting your knob!

    So, here's the video. I'm going to preface this by saying, I have very little formal rifle training. Zero long range precision rifle training, and I make no claims otherwise. That said I thought I kept the shots somewhat close, within about 6 seconds a few times. Apparently the standard for the high speed guys is 3ish seconds, with 5 being the cut off. So if I can get close with limited experience, guys that know what they are doing should do MUCH better with it. This is merely to illustrate its potential in semi-skilled hands. Enjoy!

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    Here's the rifle on the tripod at 550...

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    And results at the end of the day!

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    Nice videos and shooting! Thanks for posting your results.
    Next time at the range try leaning into the rifle/tripod a little more and incorporate your sling for added stability.
    Incorporating your sling correctly will drastically tighten up your groups.
    100 yard dot-drills are a great tool too.


    When shooting off of a tripod you are going to want to incorporate a sling. Unhook the sling from the buttstock and wrap the sling around or under the tripod. Over torque the sling so it's pulling the front of the rifle downwards a little then shoulder the rifle. The sling will help take up the extra movement.
    It is easier to stabilize a tripod without a head.
    Shooting off of a tripod is an acquired skill and it takes a little practice.
    Also keep in mind that the lower the tripod is to the ground the easier it is to stabilize the tripod.

    Other tricks that can help are leaning your back against a wall or tree, sitting on an ammo box or ruck, hanging a sandbag from the bottom of the tripod, and using a day pack to support the strong side elbow while kneeling or sitting.

    Below are some pictures of shooters incorporating their slings. I've posted these already but they are good visual examples.

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    Excellent photos. Just saw your shot show video with the sling trick. I will give it a try on my range trip tomorrow and see if I can speed up my shots a bit!
     
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    Nice review...I recognize that range! We definitely have to get out shooting sometime. I'd love to try that out if you wouldn't mind.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice review...I recognize that range! We definitely have to get out shooting sometime. I'd love to try that out if you wouldn't mind. </div></div>

    Not at all, I'm heading out there tomorrow to mess around a bit more. I'm usually off Midweek and try to get out there at least once per week!
     
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    I could easily do a day next week me thinks. Let me know which day you have in mind. Tuesday would not work unless I can be back up to Black Hawk by 3pm but I'd rather not tempt it. Wednesday is good, but don't alter plans on my behalf.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good shooting Lawn mower man </div></div>

    My goal was 5 shots in 20 secs, did it in less than 30 but I need some practice. Going to try again utilizing some of the tips mentioned above!
     
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    Got out to the range with LawnMM yesterday (CRC) and got to put a few rounds down range atop the HOG Saddle. I was able to get first-round hits kneeling and standing at 540yds in 15mph full-value wind, gusting to 20mph on a 10" wide steel plate! Finished up about 4 of 5 shots on target. That was my first time using a tripod. Damn, now I gotta buy one!

    Great piece of gear and something to seriously consider for your shooting toolbox.

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    Heh, thanks! You shot damn well yourself! That wind was a challenge for sure.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COfox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Heh, thanks! You shot damn well yourself! That wind was a challenge for sure. </div></div>

    That and a sub MOA size target at 1040! =)
     
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    Nice write up. been looking at one but the price scared me off a bit until this write up.