Savage walks away from the 300blk

[346ci]

http://www.savagearms.com/

I never understood the 300 in a 16" AR much less in a bolt gun. Looks like Savage has found the hype was really hype and decided not to pass that on to the customer. Speaks volumes towards their competition.

 

[redirt78]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.savagearms.com/

I never understood the 300 in a 16" AR much less in a bolt gun. Looks like Savage has found the hype was really hype and decided not to pass that on to the customer. Speaks volumes towards their competition.

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The round is really good for short range work with a suppressor. Looks like Savage just didn't like the accuracy they got out of it. It really doesn't say that much about the competition other than they are willing to produce something people want that fits their needs.

 

[346ci]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

It works great from a 8" SBR surpressed shooting subs. Much better options for a 16" rig.

 

[dbsinh2o]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

"Our brand was built on accuracy and we are too protective of our reputation for building the most accurate factory rifles available."

Quite a claim.

 

[346ci]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Our brand was built on accuracy and we are too protective of our reputation for building the most accurate factory rifles available."

Quite a claim.

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Its true, just read here a bit. Remy used to be at the top, Savage has produced a better rifle IMO. My new 10PC/.308 shoots as good and better in some cases than any 700 I've had.

 

[tiNdvenTFHwMdqKW]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I never understood the 300 in a 16" AR much less in a bolt gun. </div></div>

It is really quiet from my AR and it only cost me around $150 to drop a new barrel in and get something new and fun to play with. I don't have great accuracy expectations but it is really fun, quiet, and not too expensive to shoot.

 

[tomcatfan]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dbsinh20</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Our brand was built on accuracy and we are too protective of our reputation for building the most accurate factory rifles available."

Quite a claim.

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Many people here would feel like that is a claim that they have stood by. I have a hand full of rifles, but the brand that I go back to time and time again is Savage. It's not just because they are well priced either.

 

[vizsla3]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

now I know why I've never wanted a Savage!

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vizsla owned</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now I know why I've never wanted a Savage!</div></div>

because they have an accuracy standard?

yeah, that makes sense, I wouldn't want one either

 

[daybreak1199]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I don't have the money for an amazing custom build, so for me Savage has been a perfect fit, it is affordable and good quality. It may not be one of the $5000 to 7000 dollar builds but it stays right on their heels. It kinda sucks to be looked down on by some of the members on here for shooting a Savage but in another way, it is a bit of a badge of honor to take that "salvage" as some like to call it, and use that rifle with precision.

V/R
Jason

 

[Black-X]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I've had and have seen too many newer 700s with QC issues that I'd be more prone to go with a Savage these days..

 

[bmt]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

rest of the Savage quote:

"It is our understanding that pushing these heavy, slow bullets presents challenges not found in typical loadings and that our experience is not unique. Subsequently, many in the industry have simply adopted a lower standard for accuracy for these subsonic loads. While this does seem reasonable and we don't criticize any in our industry that have taken this approach, it just won't work for Savage."

 

[SGT TickleFight]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

Savage has a nice niche. There is no reason to shoot that round out of a bolt gun. At the ranges where you would use a bolt gun there is no reason why you would favor that round over a .243 .308 or similar hunting rounds.

I just broke in my 110 fcp hs precision (.300 win mag) and shot two groups. One was just under .5" and the other just over at 100 yards. This was done once i was up to 3 shots between cleanings in the break in process with federal gameshok 180gr sp ammo. Show me a 700 that will do that out of the box with zero modifications + factory ammo.

By the way this was done without a proper cheek weld due to a 56mm scope soon and will be fixed with a blackhawk cheek piece. Love taps from the scope distract me. I think i could do even better with the factory loads with a proper cheek weld.

 

[rusty815]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I love savage rifles, and this makes me respect them even more. I'm glad that they are focusing more on accuracy than producing something that seems to be popular but isn't to their standards, that's the kind of reputation I want from a manufacturer.

 

[PRDRIVER]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I don't think that round will sell too well in bolt action rifle. I see it being mostly used out of a semi-auto carbine.

I have been impressed with the Savage rifles that I have shot in the past.

 

[346ci]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've had and have seen too many newer 700s with QC issues that I'd be more prone to go with a Savage these days.. </div></div>

Yup, I'm done with freedom group stuff. They are trying to live off a name, not good for the times...

 

[ADVAUTO5488]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

The best thing about Savage rifles is that you don't have to have a smith to change barrels! If you have caliber sickness like me it's easy to swap.

 

[boanerges57]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

goodness sakes guys, how many other manufacturers are offering this?
From what ive seen it is a niche product that performs well for its designed purpose. this is like bashing them for not building a rifle in 6.5 grendel.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love savage rifles, and this makes me respect them even more. I'm glad that they are focusing more on accuracy than producing something that seems to be popular but isn't to their standards, that's the kind of reputation I want from a manufacturer. </div></div>

Careful there guy. If you drink too fast you're going to choke on the kool-aid.

I'm disappointed that Savage gave up on the .300 Blackout but they've totally missed the whole point of the cartridge. It's not strictly a subsonic cartridge. If the variety and types of factory ammunition offerings mean anything, there's more emphasis on the Blackout's supersonic potential than subsonic use.

FWIW, I don't think Savage understands the nature of the Blackout. It wasn't designed for benchrest accuracy nor should any company, including Savage, feel it necessary to make the cartridge into something it is not.

Thae Blackout's advantages lie in it's inherent flexibility in both the supersonic and subsonic realm while chambered in short barrelled firearms. I suspect Savage's frustration grew as a result of a technical change in the Blackout's recommended twist rate from 1:8" to 1:7". It's been widely known that Savage was going to produce its PC Carbine in a 1:10" twist which would have been considered largely as undesireable as it would have limited that capabilities of any rifles chambered for that round with such a slow rate of twist.

At the end of the day, Savage wasn't committed in supporting the Blackout. A great loss for Savage fans, though the rest of us can live with the other offerings that are out there.

 

[rusty815]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love savage rifles, and this makes me respect them even more. I'm glad that they are focusing more on accuracy than producing something that seems to be popular but isn't to their standards, that's the kind of reputation I want from a manufacturer. </div></div>

Careful there guy. If you drink too fast you're going to choke on the kool-aid.

I'm disappointed that Savage gave up on the .300 Blackout but they've totally missed the whole point of the cartridge. It's not strictly a subsonic cartridge. If the variety and types of factory ammunition offerings mean anything, there's more emphasis on the Blackout's supersonic potential than subsonic use.

FWIW, I don't think Savage understands the nature of the Blackout. It wasn't designed for benchrest accuracy nor should any company, including Savage, feel it necessary to make the cartridge into something it is not.

Thae Blackout's advantages lie in it's inherent flexibility in both the supersonic and subsonic realm while chambered in short barrelled firearms. I suspect Savage's frustration grew as a result of a technical change in the Blackout's recommended twist rate from 1:8" to 1:7". It's been widely known that Savage was going to produce its PC Carbine in a 1:10" twist which would have been considered largely as undesireable as it would have limited that capabilities of any rifles chambered for that round with such a slow rate of twist.

At the end of the day, Savage wasn't committed in supporting the Blackout. A great loss for Savage fans, though the rest of us can live with the other offerings that are out there.
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Did you read the article? If not, then you probably should, they were trying to get good accuracy out of both supersonic and subsonic rounds, they tested a variety of twist rates and in the end, the kind of accuracy they want just isn't possible. I understand the allure of such versatility, and if I wanted to take advantage of that, I would get it in an AR (which I am in the future), but in a bolt action such as a Savage, I just don't see its usefulness, so I would agree with Savage's decision.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

Ironic, you would only see the versatility of a cartridge based on a platform that your nanny state prohibits you from owning in a severely neutered form. Owning an AR in California in .300 Blackout? Now THAT would be a waste of the Blackout's potential as far as I'm concerned.

I do feel for you all in California and other locales where AR's are considered persona non-grata and effectively banned. In Canada, where I live, AR's are restricted to 5 rd. capacity and for range use only. We can't hunt with them and our usage is extremely limited.

I would agree the Blackout would be well suited to a semi-auto rifle like an AR but don't share your opinion that the Blackout isn't a viable cartridge in a manual repeating or single-shot rifle. I don't see many people arguing that the .223 Rem. has no use beyond that of an AR or other semi-auto, do you?

If you know the cartridge, you'd know that it's ballistically similar to a .30-30 Winchester. I don't see anyone saying that a .30-30 Win is useless in a lever action or a single-shot Contender, Encore, Handi-Rifle, et al. Do you?

I would agree that a .308 Win. is largely more versatile in a rifle based platform, however, in a carbine or SBR I would believe it to be less than optimal, regardless of firearm type.

I've got a Weatherby Vanguard .300 Blackout with a 11.5" barrel that is light, compact, and is very quick to put into use by the very nature of its size and characteristics. I can hunt or target shoot with it without restrictions. In said rifle, the Blackout is optimal and gives me a great deal of flexibility in usage.

A .308 Win. or even a .223 Rem. for that matter, are very inefficient in a short carbine or SBR and don't allow you to have the versatility that the Blackout enjoys.

As for issues of accuracy claimed by Savage? I think it's BS on their part. To say their simple bolt action carbine couldn't be made accurate enough to pass the mustre? How ridiculous. There's lots of people running Savages in the .300 Blackout, .300 Whisper, .300/.221 ect, ect... that aren't claiming poor accuracy potential.

I think the .300 Blackout in a Savage was canned for a variety of legitimate issues that the company wouldn't want made public. I beleive their rifles weren't either well suited to the Blackout or it was a ituation of poor product planning on Savage's part.

I believe it's possible that Savage discovered that they couldn't make the Blackout feed well from its magazine system or had the common ejection issues that Savages are known to have in this cartridge. From a warranty standpoint, this would be a nightmare and having a bunch of problem rifles wouldn't exactly endear them to the public either, now would it?

My guess is Savage had made the decision to go with a 1:10" twist barrel in the .300 Blackout and then realized that they were going to be obsolete right out of the gate because THEY failed to realize that .300 Blackout buyers preferred the extra stability that a 1:8" or 1:7" twist barrel.

With Remington's subsequent announcement of a 16" SPS Tactical in .300 Blackout with a 1:7" twist barrel, they realized they weren't going to be competitive in the marketplace and that it would be cheaper to scrap the PC Carbine introduction in the Blackout than to go through with it and be stuck with dead inventory that wouldn't sell.

 

[rsilvers]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

When Savage announced the rifle, most 300 BLK people wrote it off immediately because of the 1:10 twist and 20 inch barrel (the subsonic ammo is only designed to stay subsonic in 16 inch or shorter barrels). If the goal was to design a 300 BLK rifle that was not accurate with subsonic, you would use too slow a twist and too long a barrel. They did not do their homework, and gave up rather than ask for help.

 

[AXEMAN]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

nice part is we can still put a proper 300 blk barrel on a savage even if its not a factory offering. not sure what the deal is here.

 

[F224]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: daybreak1199</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have the money for an amazing custom build, so for me Savage has been a perfect fit, it is affordable and good quality. It may not be one of the $5000 to 7000 dollar builds but it stays right on their heels. It kinda sucks to be looked down on by some of the members on here for shooting a Savage but in another way, it is a bit of a badge of honor to take that "salvage" as some like to call it, and use that rifle with precision.

V/R
Jason </div></div>

A friend of mine with a trophy room with more than 60 animals from five continents who can afford the best shoots Savage rifles.

Another friend with a Boeing 757 for his corporate airplane (and six others in his collection) and over 300 full body mounts in his house does the same.

They have spent their money on trips and making money, need I say more.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I had the day off so it was a great day to hit the range. Took my 700 chambered in .300 BLK with (15) rounds of ammo along for the ride. Here's the (3) consecutive 5-shot groups I took with it today.

According to Savage, I shouldn't have been able to accomplish this. Afterall, I don't have an Accutrigger, a floating bolt head, a barrel nut, or a barrel nut. Hell, all this done by a rifle made by a company that's reportedly had quality control issues for close to the last 20 years.

Oh, and incidently the only rifle to let me down today was a brand new Savage Mk 2 FV-SR that I took along for it's maiden voyage. I own a Mk 2 BV already and took along .22RF ammo that was a proven .50" 10-shot group @ 50 yds. Well, a bigger disappointment I've never had. I had some ammo go over 2 FEET! in group size at 50 yds. Best group of the day was 3". There's obviously something wrong with this rifle and I'm going to check things over to eliminate any easy to fix issues that may be the problem, before sending it back for warranty repair or replacement.

 

[cypriss32]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

To all the AR blk out haters...... Its a decent cartridge people. I can shoot 30cal bullets of 2k. I can legally go hunting with it and knock hogs down with a AR15 now. To me its fine, and it serves for my uses.

 

[Erud]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When Savage announced the rifle, most 300 BLK people wrote it off immediately because of the 1:10 twist and 20 inch barrel (the subsonic ammo is only designed to stay subsonic in 16 inch or shorter barrels). If the goal was to design a 300 BLK rifle that was not accurate with subsonic, you would use too slow a twist and too long a barrel. They did not do their homework, and gave up rather than ask for help. </div></div>

Serious question for rsilvers; do you do a daily google search for the 300 BLK being mentioned on any Internet forums and then drop in? I've seen you show up to defend the BLK on some fairly obscure boards that would otherwise seem to have no apparent connection to anything you're doing.

 

[Swift]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the day off so it was a great day to hit the range. Took my 700 chambered in .300 BLK with (15) rounds of ammo along for the ride. Here's the (3) consecutive 5-shot groups I took with it today.

According to Savage, I shouldn't have been able to accomplish this. Afterall, I don't have an Accutrigger, a floating bolt head, a barrel nut, or a barrel nut. Hell, all this done by a rifle made by a company that's reportedly had quality control issues for close to the last 20 years.

Oh, and incidently the only rifle to let me down today was a brand new Savage Mk 2 FV-SR that I took along for it's maiden voyage. I own a Mk 2 BV already and took along .22RF ammo that was a proven .50" 10-shot group @ 50 yds. Well, a bigger disappointment I've never had. I had some ammo go over 2 FEET! in group size at 50 yds. Best group of the day was 3". There's obviously something wrong with this rifle and I'm going to check things over to eliminate any easy to fix issues that may be the problem, before sending it back for warranty repair or replacement. </div></div>

That rig is beautiful. What are the barrel specs?

 

[Downzero]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I'm glad to see one company that isn't interested in hype and gimmicks just to sell guns.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: THEBEARRRRRRJEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That rig is beautiful. What are the barrel specs?</div></div>

Thanks! Here's a link to the specs I posted here on the Hide. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...rue#Post2691011

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad to see one company that isn't interested in hype and gimmicks just to sell guns. </div></div>

It's not like Savage didn't try to capitalize on the success of the .300 Blackout. They just couldn't get the job done, that's all.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

Were those loads subsonic? What is your barrel length?

Shooting subs through pistol length 6-10" barrels is something there is an obvious precident for.

When the barrels get longer, that's when the parasitic drag of the barrel on the jacket can make consistent velocity harder to attain.

The rifle at best- totally functional would probably be a niche market item, and Savage already has enough trouble getting their .300 win mag and .338LM rifles to market fast enough to supply market demands.

The why might have a lot to do with the combination of some issues in R&D combined with a feeling that there would not be a large enough market response.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were those loads subsonic? What is your barrel length?

Shooting subs through pistol length 6-10" barrels is something there is an obvious precident for.

When the barrels get longer, that's when the parasitic drag of the barrel on the jacket can make consistent velocity harder to attain.

The rifle at best- totally functional would probably be a niche market item, and Savage already has enough trouble getting their .300 win mag and .338LM rifles to market fast enough to supply market demands.

The why might have a lot to do with the combination of some issues in R&D combined with a feeling that there would not be a large enough market response. </div></div>

Loads are supersonic. Barrel is 16" in length. For this rifle, I didn't want to go longer than that. I saved a 11.5" portion of the Shilen blank I bought and used it on a Weatherby Vanguard in .300 Blackout.

Funny, you should say the .300 Blackout would be a niche rifle but the "tacticool" .300 WM & .338 LM aren't? lol They're just another segment of the firearms market as far as I'm concerned. Those are popular sellers for Savage so you can hardly blame them for wanting to build them.

With AAC's Micro 7 Carbine, the announced Remington SPS Tactical, the H&R Handi-Rifle all being offered in .300 Blackout, I'd hardly characterize that as being unrepresented as far as non semi-autos are concerned. There's definitely a wide spread appeal for the Blackout. It just takes a bit of time for everything to come to market.

 

[rsilvers]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

A lot of people are getting great results.

 

[Linkless]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I'm ready to call BS on this one. I have a 16" 300 built on a Rem model 7 and it shoots super and subsonic quite well. I also have several savage rifles that are very accurate. Lastly, one of the most accurate rifles I have is a Savage model 12 with a Shilen .221 Fireball barrel. The reason Savage isn't making any fireball length chamberings isn't accuracy, it's the fact that their standard bolt head can't eject the empties. They get loose of the bolt before the bolt is far enough back due to the short length. This would leave Savage with the model 25 or whatever it is called as the platform for the 300 and I don't believe it's up to par (though I don't own any nor have I seen one in person).

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

It'd be kind of nice if Freedom Group would give 1/10th a shit about making quality factory rifles in 260 Remington as they do marketing the 300BLK.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It'd be kind of nice if Freedom Group would give 1/10th a shit about making quality factory rifles in 260 Remington as they do marketing the 300BLK. </div></div>

The cartridge was a commercial flop for them. Why make something that doesn't sell? The .260 Rem. was either ahead of it's time or the majority of Remington customers largely didin't "give a shit" about buying one.

 

[SGT TickleFight]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

I just don't see this cartridge fitting into their market. The only sense this makes in a bolt gun is as a hunting cartridge and it doesn't offer an advantage over other hunting cartidges in its class like the 30-30 or 7.62x39.

The cartridge was designed to serve 1 function: a true intermediate cartridge for the ar platform (6.8 spc is half good at several jobs like m1a1 bradley. It just never wowed me). Savage does not make ARs so they have no reason to make a rifle that uses it.

 

[SGT TickleFight]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

My savage mkII hates supersonic ammo and most 10/22s will outshoot it.
It will shoot .25 to .5" groups at 50 yds with cci subsonic and consistently .25" with eley tennex.

My mkII is the btvss so it is more of a target gun but try subs in your mkII. I met someone at the range the routinely hits a 6" gong at 275 yards with one on a very calm day.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I believe it's possible that Savage discovered that they couldn't make the Blackout feed well from its magazine system or had the common ejection issues that Savages are known to have in this cartridge. From a warranty standpoint, this would be a nightmare and having a bunch of problem rifles wouldn't exactly endear them to the public either, now would it?
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So they didnt want it ending up like the launch of the Micro 7?

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The cartridge was a commercial flop for them. Why make something that doesn't sell? The .260 Rem. was either ahead of it's time or the majority of Remington customers largely didin't "give a shit" about buying one. </div></div>

The rifle world has changed quite a bit in the 15 years since Remington launched the 260 Remington then let it languish.

You might have noticed how popular the 260 is with precision /long range shooters; popular enough that Hornady and Lapua both have introduced similar 6.5mm offerings. So popular in fact Savage started making factory rifles for it again in 2011.

Do ya really think an AAC-SD chambered in 260 with an 8 twist barrel wouldn't sell, at LEAST as well as the same rifle in 300BLK which Big Green announced at SHOT?

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JonM</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I believe it's possible that Savage discovered that they couldn't make the Blackout feed well from its magazine system or had the common ejection issues that Savages are known to have in this cartridge. From a warranty standpoint, this would be a nightmare and having a bunch of problem rifles wouldn't exactly endear them to the public either, now would it?
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So they didnt want it ending up like the launch of the Micro 7? </div></div>

Yup, pretty much. You couldn't blame Savage for making the call not to produce the rifle n .300 Blackout if they couldn't so so reliably. However, the BS excuse they gave was disingenuous at best.

 

[2bad4u2]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2bad4u2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The cartridge was a commercial flop for them. Why make something that doesn't sell? The .260 Rem. was either ahead of it's time or the majority of Remington customers largely didin't "give a shit" about buying one. </div></div>

The rifle world has changed quite a bit in the 15 years since Remington launched the 260 Remington then let it languish.

You might have noticed how popular the 260 is with precision /long range shooters; popular enough that Hornady and Lapua both have introduced similar 6.5mm offerings. So popular in fact Savage started making factory rifles for it again in 2011.

Do ya really think an AAC-SD chambered in 260 with an 8 twist barrel wouldn't sell, at LEAST as well as the same rifle in 300BLK which Big Green announced at SHOT? </div></div>

You missed my point. I already said the .260 Rem. was ahead of its time. Back (15) years ago, nobody cared about it. It's taken forever to catch on but now the cartridge is enjoying the success that it rightfully deserves.

 

[rsilvers]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

AAC has a 260 barrel in 1:8 twist for sale on Midway. It is 24 inch, threaded, and nitrided. A competition user has been getting great results with them, and was getting hits at one mile (he did not tell me the target size). The sales are ok for that kind of product, but miniscule compared to 300 BLK and AR products. The AR is the new 30-30. People just are not always sold on 223 and 300 BLK is an alternative to 223 that still uses 30 rounds in normal magazines.

 

[st1650]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It is 24 inch, threaded, and nitrided. A competition user has been getting great results with them, and was getting hits at one mile (he did not tell me the target size).</div></div>
BS!

I am one of the BLK's biggest fan. I've done amazing things with my 10" noveske but that's just BS Robert. For a 2400FPS with a 135gr SMK HBPT you'd get approx 64 mil of elevation and 0.9 mil per MPH of crosswind at 1600m. When you show up in these threads with these kind of statements, you're making 300BLK looks bad.

 

[Austan]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: st1650</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It is 24 inch, threaded, and nitrided. A competition user has been getting great results with them, and was getting hits at one mile (he did not tell me the target size).</div></div>
BS!

I am one of the BLK's biggest fan. I've done amazing things with my 10" noveske but that's just BS Robert. For a 2400FPS with a 135gr SMK HBPT you'd get approx 64 mil of elevation and 0.9 mil per MPH of crosswind at 1600m. When you show up in these threads with these kind of statements, you're making 300BLK looks bad.

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He's talking about the 260...

 

[762frmafr]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: st1650</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsilvers</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It is 24 inch, threaded, and nitrided. A competition user has been getting great results with them, and was getting hits at one mile (he did not tell me the target size).</div></div>
BS!

I am one of the BLK's biggest fan. I've done amazing things with my 10" noveske but that's just BS Robert. For a 2400FPS with a 135gr SMK HBPT you'd get approx 64 mil of elevation and 0.9 mil per MPH of crosswind at 1600m. When you show up in these threads with these kind of statements, you're making 300BLK looks bad.

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I usually don't come to Mr. Silvers' defense but in this case he was talking about the 260 barrel.

 

[st1650]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk

Sorry, I misread and over-reacted....

 

[rsilvers]

Re: Savage walks away from the 300blk