I am not sure its really a build, but I have 1500 to get a rifle and get it ready for the range. My goal is to be able to reach out to 1000 yards but as of right now it will be 300-600 to start. I was looking at the remington 700 5r for a little over 1k but I dont like the barrel finish I am not a fan of shiny things. I also found a savage 10 with a mcmillen stock for around 950. I own ar's so the ar platform did cross my mind but I would like accuracy and I dont need that second follow up shot. I plan on signing up for a tactical rifle class to help me get better with boly guns. I own a nikkon prostaff scope with bdc so optics are coverer for now. What do you suggerst. can the 5r barrel be painted/ duracoated? is there anywhere a 700P can be found on the cheap? Thanks Dan.
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Re: 1500 to build or buy
if you don't like the stainless on the 5R you can always crylon it or have it cerakoted. the 5r's are supposed to shoot really well for a factory weapon.
pretty sure you can get the 700p for less then the 5R so not sure why it would be out of your range.
700P - $930
http://www.impactguns.com/remington-700-police-308-5709-047700257099.aspx
same site has the 5r/milspec for $1179
you could get the 700p and add a used stock or B&C and be better off for same cash.
if you don't like the stainless on the 5R you can always crylon it or have it cerakoted. the 5r's are supposed to shoot really well for a factory weapon.
pretty sure you can get the 700p for less then the 5R so not sure why it would be out of your range.
700P - $930
http://www.impactguns.com/remington-700-police-308-5709-047700257099.aspx
same site has the 5r/milspec for $1179
you could get the 700p and add a used stock or B&C and be better off for same cash.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
paint is your friend, the 5R has a pretty good reputation, feed it good ammo and top it with a very good scope and you should accomplish your goals.
paint is your friend, the 5R has a pretty good reputation, feed it good ammo and top it with a very good scope and you should accomplish your goals.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
i take that back....buy a rem 700 sps-varmint for $600, get the $50 rebate from Rem and use the extra money to buy a good stock. Hell you could get a manners or mcmillan with the savings over the 5R/milspec.
i take that back....buy a rem 700 sps-varmint for $600, get the $50 rebate from Rem and use the extra money to buy a good stock. Hell you could get a manners or mcmillan with the savings over the 5R/milspec.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
the savage will be more accurate out of the box
if it were me...i'd buy a used/new stevens 200
toss on a barrel
and then put it in whatever stock you want
you'll come at/below your $1000 goal...and have a nicer rifle with a match barrel on it
the savage will be more accurate out of the box
if it were me...i'd buy a used/new stevens 200
toss on a barrel
and then put it in whatever stock you want
you'll come at/below your $1000 goal...and have a nicer rifle with a match barrel on it
Re: 1500 to build or buy
is 1250 for a 5r cerakoted a deal? I plan on changing the stock sooner or later but more than likey later. I am trying to get a M24 look-a-like. I know some 5r's have a threaded barrel and they are 24 inches long right?
is 1250 for a 5r cerakoted a deal? I plan on changing the stock sooner or later but more than likey later. I am trying to get a M24 look-a-like. I know some 5r's have a threaded barrel and they are 24 inches long right?
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the savage will be more accurate out of the box
if it were me...i'd buy a used/new stevens 200
toss on a barrel
and then put it in whatever stock you want
you'll come at/below your $1000 goal...and have a nicer rifle with a match barrel on it </div></div>
Thank for the savage option. the savage I found was a 10FCP in a McMillen stock with a 24 inch Matte barrel with a 1 in 10 twist, the 5R is , well the 5R. I plan on changing some things on either rifle but not right away and on the 5R I can actually keep track of every round I put through it. and I already have a bipod and a 3-9 x 40 scope so pretty much I am looking for the rifle. I have never owned a bolt action so I am sorry for all the questions, but I want to make the right purchase the first time around. and I am thinking the 5R seems to be the way to go as long as the barrel is long enough and has threads for a muzzle device.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the savage will be more accurate out of the box
if it were me...i'd buy a used/new stevens 200
toss on a barrel
and then put it in whatever stock you want
you'll come at/below your $1000 goal...and have a nicer rifle with a match barrel on it </div></div>
Thank for the savage option. the savage I found was a 10FCP in a McMillen stock with a 24 inch Matte barrel with a 1 in 10 twist, the 5R is , well the 5R. I plan on changing some things on either rifle but not right away and on the 5R I can actually keep track of every round I put through it. and I already have a bipod and a 3-9 x 40 scope so pretty much I am looking for the rifle. I have never owned a bolt action so I am sorry for all the questions, but I want to make the right purchase the first time around. and I am thinking the 5R seems to be the way to go as long as the barrel is long enough and has threads for a muzzle device.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Get a Rem 700 SPS varmint and put it on an AICS stock. Doable on your budget. Get a 20moa base.
Get a Rem 700 SPS varmint and put it on an AICS stock. Doable on your budget. Get a 20moa base.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
none of those have thread for a muzzle device from the factory but a smith can do this fairly cheap.
if you are going to change stuff and this is your first rifle the 700 sps varmint will shoot better then you to start and you can upgrade as needed and you determine what you want. Why pay over a grand for a rifle to change stuff when you can get the same action for under $600 and build from there?
none of those have thread for a muzzle device from the factory but a smith can do this fairly cheap.
if you are going to change stuff and this is your first rifle the 700 sps varmint will shoot better then you to start and you can upgrade as needed and you determine what you want. Why pay over a grand for a rifle to change stuff when you can get the same action for under $600 and build from there?
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerfan9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">none of those have thread for a muzzle device from the factory but a smith can do this fairly cheap.
if you are going to change stuff and this is your first rifle the 700 sps varmint will shoot better then you to start and you can upgrade as needed and you determine what you want. Why pay over a grand for a rifle to change stuff when you can get the same action for under $600 and build from there? </div></div>
I was reading that the barrel on the 5r is a really good one. and that is why I am asking so many questions I have no clue what to get I just know I want a 308 bolt action that can take magazines and has a 24 inch barrel. I plan on changing the stock sooner or later to a HS precision or a Mcmillen, but it wont be until I have all the basics down on shooting. I have also found 5r's for under 1100 stock, so I can rattle can it which will be done to any that I get. I just dont want to buy one and then replace the barrel, stock and who knows what and it could all be saved and bought the right one or a base and upgrades. The 5r barrel is one of the main selling points.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tigerfan9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">none of those have thread for a muzzle device from the factory but a smith can do this fairly cheap.
if you are going to change stuff and this is your first rifle the 700 sps varmint will shoot better then you to start and you can upgrade as needed and you determine what you want. Why pay over a grand for a rifle to change stuff when you can get the same action for under $600 and build from there? </div></div>
I was reading that the barrel on the 5r is a really good one. and that is why I am asking so many questions I have no clue what to get I just know I want a 308 bolt action that can take magazines and has a 24 inch barrel. I plan on changing the stock sooner or later to a HS precision or a Mcmillen, but it wont be until I have all the basics down on shooting. I have also found 5r's for under 1100 stock, so I can rattle can it which will be done to any that I get. I just dont want to buy one and then replace the barrel, stock and who knows what and it could all be saved and bought the right one or a base and upgrades. The 5r barrel is one of the main selling points.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Like I said, get a Rem 700 SPS heavy varmint and put an AICS stock on it. The AICS stock comes with the best magazine system and one 5 round mag. Put a 20moa picatinny rail on it and put your Prostaff on it.
What Prostaff do you have btw?
Like I said, get a Rem 700 SPS heavy varmint and put an AICS stock on it. The AICS stock comes with the best magazine system and one 5 round mag. Put a 20moa picatinny rail on it and put your Prostaff on it.
What Prostaff do you have btw?
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3x9x40 with BDC, its a little old but its never been used. and I didnt know the sps comes with the 5r barrel.</div></div>
not the same barrel but the same action. barrel is rem contour 26" and most shoot pretty well out of the box. stock is crap but with the $500-600 you save over the 5R you can get a mcmillan, manners, acis and then upgrade the barrel later when you can out shoot the gun.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3x9x40 with BDC, its a little old but its never been used. and I didnt know the sps comes with the 5r barrel.</div></div>
not the same barrel but the same action. barrel is rem contour 26" and most shoot pretty well out of the box. stock is crap but with the $500-600 you save over the 5R you can get a mcmillan, manners, acis and then upgrade the barrel later when you can out shoot the gun.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
the 5R should be better out of the box with a better barrel and stock so it just depends on what you want to spend and what stock you want to go with.
the 5R should be better out of the box with a better barrel and stock so it just depends on what you want to spend and what stock you want to go with.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so the 5r is rated better than the 700P? I would have thought that the 700p would be a better rifle out of the box. I plan on upgrading some thing but it might take some time. </div></div>
I have a 5R and I believe it should be rated the same as a 700P, in fact when I bought mine it was about $50 more than a 700P. However I think due to its rarity and internet folklore it is much more over rated than it should be. If I did it all over again I would just buy a custom action and save money until I get could get it built. Another feasible option is the FN bolt rifles, extremely nice rifles for a factory.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so the 5r is rated better than the 700P? I would have thought that the 700p would be a better rifle out of the box. I plan on upgrading some thing but it might take some time. </div></div>
I have a 5R and I believe it should be rated the same as a 700P, in fact when I bought mine it was about $50 more than a 700P. However I think due to its rarity and internet folklore it is much more over rated than it should be. If I did it all over again I would just buy a custom action and save money until I get could get it built. Another feasible option is the FN bolt rifles, extremely nice rifles for a factory.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
That 3-9x40 has 80 moa of elevation so you will be able to shoot out to 1000 yards no problem. Do it.
That 3-9x40 has 80 moa of elevation so you will be able to shoot out to 1000 yards no problem. Do it.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so the 5r is rated better than the 700P? I would have thought that the 700p would be a better rifle out of the box. I plan on upgrading some thing but it might take some time. </div></div>
I have a 5R and I believe it should be rated the same as a 700P, in fact when I bought mine it was about $50 more than a 700P. However I think due to its rarity and internet folklore it is much more over rated than it should be. If I did it all over again I would just buy a custom action and save money until I get could get it built. Another feasible option is the FN bolt rifles, extremely nice rifles for a factory. </div></div>
I dont think the FN's that I was looking at were in my price range I think it was the PRB with a 24 inch barrel. and I will look into the SPS tactical and varmant heavy. Also the 700p would be good to go right out of the box also right? a good stock, good barrel? and I read its free floating so I can sell the stock and make soe good money on it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango 6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so the 5r is rated better than the 700P? I would have thought that the 700p would be a better rifle out of the box. I plan on upgrading some thing but it might take some time. </div></div>
I have a 5R and I believe it should be rated the same as a 700P, in fact when I bought mine it was about $50 more than a 700P. However I think due to its rarity and internet folklore it is much more over rated than it should be. If I did it all over again I would just buy a custom action and save money until I get could get it built. Another feasible option is the FN bolt rifles, extremely nice rifles for a factory. </div></div>
I dont think the FN's that I was looking at were in my price range I think it was the PRB with a 24 inch barrel. and I will look into the SPS tactical and varmant heavy. Also the 700p would be good to go right out of the box also right? a good stock, good barrel? and I read its free floating so I can sell the stock and make soe good money on it?
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Savage 10FCP in the HS stock. Mine came with a threaded barrel. I don't think that's the norm but if you ask you can get it. I have been threating to change the stock for a while now but I never have. The HS precision stock has a pretty nice feel to it in my hands.
I got mine for under $1K. DBM is only 4rds so I bought a 10rd but I never snap it in.
Plus its all matte black and sexy right out of the box
Savage 10FCP in the HS stock. Mine came with a threaded barrel. I don't think that's the norm but if you ask you can get it. I have been threating to change the stock for a while now but I never have. The HS precision stock has a pretty nice feel to it in my hands.
I got mine for under $1K. DBM is only 4rds so I bought a 10rd but I never snap it in.
Plus its all matte black and sexy right out of the box
Re: 1500 to build or buy
thanks I am getting a remy. I just dont know which model. I am watching the classifieds and the EE on ar15. maybe I can find a deal. I did find that savage though on ar15 for 950 with a mcmillen stock already.
thanks I am getting a remy. I just dont know which model. I am watching the classifieds and the EE on ar15. maybe I can find a deal. I did find that savage though on ar15 for 950 with a mcmillen stock already.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Its funny, my money is just sitting in the bank yelling at me to pick one. the sps seems nice but the price of one and then a stock its about the same as the 700p.I did find a savage though with a mcmillen stock on it already for around 950.
Its funny, my money is just sitting in the bank yelling at me to pick one. the sps seems nice but the price of one and then a stock its about the same as the 700p.I did find a savage though with a mcmillen stock on it already for around 950.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
You can get a tikka for around 1200 off the shelf that's better than the savage or the 700.....in my opinion.
You can get a tikka for around 1200 off the shelf that's better than the savage or the 700.....in my opinion.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
is this a deal?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3226748&gonew=1#UNREAD
is this a deal?
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3226748&gonew=1#UNREAD
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Get the 5R and have NO REGRETS. Mine wants to shoot .4" MOA but I wont let it... yet.
Get the 5R and have NO REGRETS. Mine wants to shoot .4" MOA but I wont let it... yet.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
I know you said your getting the remy but then you mentioned Savages twice. If your still on the fence look at them. The R700 is a fine weapon and so Tikka but for the stock included the Savage is a good deal.
Savage part# 18139 HS stock " I paid $1,096.00 last year out the door from my FFL with a threaded barrel "
PLEASE NOTE:
Threads were not asked for by me. I don't know if my FFL ask or if it was available or just a mistake but that's what they sent him.
Savage part# 18142 McMillan stock version about 3 bills more.
I know you said your getting the remy but then you mentioned Savages twice. If your still on the fence look at them. The R700 is a fine weapon and so Tikka but for the stock included the Savage is a good deal.
Savage part# 18139 HS stock " I paid $1,096.00 last year out the door from my FFL with a threaded barrel "
PLEASE NOTE:
Threads were not asked for by me. I don't know if my FFL ask or if it was available or just a mistake but that's what they sent him.
Savage part# 18142 McMillan stock version about 3 bills more.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Here's my 5R http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...975#Post3232975, just get one and shoot it, you'll know you've made the right decision.
Here's my 5R http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...975#Post3232975, just get one and shoot it, you'll know you've made the right decision.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
thanks I am leaning towards the 700 sts tactical aac sd. I am trying to figure out now id a threaded barrel and 1 in 10 twist is worh and extra 50 bucks. the regular sps tactical is 1 in 12 twist. I live in IL so a surpressor is out and it comes to muzzle device
thanks I am leaning towards the 700 sts tactical aac sd. I am trying to figure out now id a threaded barrel and 1 in 10 twist is worh and extra 50 bucks. the regular sps tactical is 1 in 12 twist. I live in IL so a surpressor is out and it comes to muzzle device
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Don't forget the twist rates.
20" AAC/LTR = 1:10
5r = 1:11.5
SPS Tac = 1:12
If your state is not suppressor friendly - might as well go with the 5R. I was kind of dissapointed I didn't go with a threaded barrel when I purchased my 700LTR because now WA passed the suppressor bill - and they are legal.
Don't forget the twist rates.
20" AAC/LTR = 1:10
5r = 1:11.5
SPS Tac = 1:12
If your state is not suppressor friendly - might as well go with the 5R. I was kind of dissapointed I didn't go with a threaded barrel when I purchased my 700LTR because now WA passed the suppressor bill - and they are legal.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
My savage 110 fcp hs precision in 300 wm with milket lrs-1 and seekins rings ran me jus under 1500. The 10 fcp would probably be better with the millet trs-1 and would cost about $100 less.
Milket has qc issues - i have no issue with mine and i hear they will turn around and send you a new one pretty quickly if you get a dud. Rifle cost me $940 about a month ago.
I should add it is a half minute shooter from a cold clean bore with federal 180gr game shok.
My savage 110 fcp hs precision in 300 wm with milket lrs-1 and seekins rings ran me jus under 1500. The 10 fcp would probably be better with the millet trs-1 and would cost about $100 less.
Milket has qc issues - i have no issue with mine and i hear they will turn around and send you a new one pretty quickly if you get a dud. Rifle cost me $940 about a month ago.
I should add it is a half minute shooter from a cold clean bore with federal 180gr game shok.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blacktaco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't forget the twist rates.
20" AAC/LTR = 1:10
5r = 1:11.5
SPS Tac = 1:12
If your state is not suppressor friendly - might as well go with the 5R. I was kind of dissapointed I didn't go with a threaded barrel when I purchased my 700LTR because now WA passed the suppressor bill - and they are legal. </div></div>
the 1:10 is 680 and the 1:12 is 620 is it wotth it? the 5r is over 1k and that is out since I will need a stock and a 30 moa base. alonge with some really good glass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blacktaco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't forget the twist rates.
20" AAC/LTR = 1:10
5r = 1:11.5
SPS Tac = 1:12
If your state is not suppressor friendly - might as well go with the 5R. I was kind of dissapointed I didn't go with a threaded barrel when I purchased my 700LTR because now WA passed the suppressor bill - and they are legal. </div></div>
the 1:10 is 680 and the 1:12 is 620 is it wotth it? the 5r is over 1k and that is out since I will need a stock and a 30 moa base. alonge with some really good glass.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Well the 5R comes with the HS precision stock - which you don't need to upgrade (I'm running into cheek-height issues - and will run a cheek riser). Not sure what scope you are running - but you'll probably want a 20MOA base - not 30.
As for twists - some people are running the 155's at 1000 - but the 168's don't fly to 1000. The 175gr+ are GTG on 1000. So depends what you want to run, and what the barrel likes. The 175gr FMG factory loads would be GTG in the 1:10, and I'm sure they would work in the 1:12 - but I don't run 1:12 so not sure which would be more accuracte. The 1:12 isn't supposed to fling the 175gr+ as well as the 1:10.
Well the 5R comes with the HS precision stock - which you don't need to upgrade (I'm running into cheek-height issues - and will run a cheek riser). Not sure what scope you are running - but you'll probably want a 20MOA base - not 30.
As for twists - some people are running the 155's at 1000 - but the 168's don't fly to 1000. The 175gr+ are GTG on 1000. So depends what you want to run, and what the barrel likes. The 175gr FMG factory loads would be GTG in the 1:10, and I'm sure they would work in the 1:12 - but I don't run 1:12 so not sure which would be more accuracte. The 1:12 isn't supposed to fling the 175gr+ as well as the 1:10.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blacktaco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well the 5R comes with the HS precision stock - which you don't need to upgrade (I'm running into cheek-height issues - and will run a cheek riser). Not sure what scope you are running - but you'll probably want a 20MOA base - not 30.
As for twists - some people are running the 155's at 1000 - but the 168's don't fly to 1000. The 175gr+ are GTG on 1000. So depends what you want to run, and what the barrel likes. The 175gr FMG factory loads would be GTG in the 1:10, and I'm sure they would work in the 1:12 - but I don't run 1:12 so not sure which would be more accuracte. The 1:12 isn't supposed to fling the 175gr+ as well as the 1:10.
</div></div>
there is no information on buds gunshop. is the barrel threaded how do you add a cheel riser.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blacktaco</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well the 5R comes with the HS precision stock - which you don't need to upgrade (I'm running into cheek-height issues - and will run a cheek riser). Not sure what scope you are running - but you'll probably want a 20MOA base - not 30.
As for twists - some people are running the 155's at 1000 - but the 168's don't fly to 1000. The 175gr+ are GTG on 1000. So depends what you want to run, and what the barrel likes. The 175gr FMG factory loads would be GTG in the 1:10, and I'm sure they would work in the 1:12 - but I don't run 1:12 so not sure which would be more accuracte. The 1:12 isn't supposed to fling the 175gr+ as well as the 1:10.
</div></div>
there is no information on buds gunshop. is the barrel threaded how do you add a cheel riser.
Re: 1500 to build or buy
The 5R IS now sold in threaded and non-threaded barrels.
The cheek riser - you can do a "stock pad" which just velcroes to the stock, or a bolt-on style.
I'm currently using a padded Tac Ops riser (see below) but I want to do this with the XLR piece:
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2504751
my ltr with paded cheek riser:
the Karsten riser on my .06:
The 5R IS now sold in threaded and non-threaded barrels.
The cheek riser - you can do a "stock pad" which just velcroes to the stock, or a bolt-on style.
I'm currently using a padded Tac Ops riser (see below) but I want to do this with the XLR piece:
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2504751
my ltr with paded cheek riser:
the Karsten riser on my .06:
Re: 1500 to build or buy
Tango,
I'm new to the Hide and long range shooting. I've had a 5R that's bone stock for about 9 months now, the barrel isn't even fully broken in yet. It shoots FGMM 175 SMK's very well, .5 MOA easy. I've only shot it at a 100 yds so far and that was with a crappy scope on it.
In the reviews I had read comparing the 700P and 5R, obviously you get the better barrel and stock with the 5r but one reviewer was saying something about factory ammo shooting better out of the 5R because of the throat length being set up for 2.800" oal ammo. The review is on snipercentral (I hope I'm allowed to say that here) where it's explained better than I can.
All I can say is I'm very pleased with mine. I am putting a Farrell 20 moa base and rings on now along with a Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRMOA. This will be for punching paper out to 600 yards (as long as my range goes) and F/T-R shooting.
Bill
Tango,
I'm new to the Hide and long range shooting. I've had a 5R that's bone stock for about 9 months now, the barrel isn't even fully broken in yet. It shoots FGMM 175 SMK's very well, .5 MOA easy. I've only shot it at a 100 yds so far and that was with a crappy scope on it.
In the reviews I had read comparing the 700P and 5R, obviously you get the better barrel and stock with the 5r but one reviewer was saying something about factory ammo shooting better out of the 5R because of the throat length being set up for 2.800" oal ammo. The review is on snipercentral (I hope I'm allowed to say that here) where it's explained better than I can.
All I can say is I'm very pleased with mine. I am putting a Farrell 20 moa base and rings on now along with a Sightron SIII 6-24x50 LRMOA. This will be for punching paper out to 600 yards (as long as my range goes) and F/T-R shooting.
Bill
