Another sad story...
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Alderman-Pit-Bull-Chicago-137562478.html
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Alderman-Pit-Bull-Chicago-137562478.html
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Another heroic tale of a pitbull saving 2 people.
http://www.thedogfiles.com/2011/02/03/stray-pit-bull-saves-woman-child-from-attacker/
Another heroic tale of a pitbull saving 2 people.
http://www.thedogfiles.com/2011/02/03/stray-pit-bull-saves-woman-child-from-attacker/
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Oh and another story in which a pitbull puppy saved a woman who went into a seizure on the side of a road, in which other motorists ignored her......
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2011/07/mystery-pit-bull-saves-brantford-woman-spca-says-too-bad/
Oh and another story in which a pitbull puppy saved a woman who went into a seizure on the side of a road, in which other motorists ignored her......
http://bullmarketfrogs.com/blog/2011/07/mystery-pit-bull-saves-brantford-woman-spca-says-too-bad/
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Thanks to KYS338 for posting positive stories about my favorite breed. Are we really stuck on the "pit bulls are the devil" position? If that's the case, maybe we should post stories about guns killing people. Ban bad owners, not breeds.
Thanks to KYS338 for posting positive stories about my favorite breed. Are we really stuck on the "pit bulls are the devil" position? If that's the case, maybe we should post stories about guns killing people. Ban bad owners, not breeds.
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a 2 year old pitbull wakes his entire family up before they are all killed in a fire:
http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2012/02/pit-bull-saves-family-from-fire/
A pitbull sacrifices his own life to defend an 87 year old woman and her grand daughter.
http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070301a.php
You see Bill, I can google to. It's people like you that give the media its negative attention they so crave. Stop stereotyping the breed and maybe look deeper into the matter, look at how it was raised.
a 2 year old pitbull wakes his entire family up before they are all killed in a fire:
http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2012/02/pit-bull-saves-family-from-fire/
A pitbull sacrifices his own life to defend an 87 year old woman and her grand daughter.
http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070301a.php
You see Bill, I can google to. It's people like you that give the media its negative attention they so crave. Stop stereotyping the breed and maybe look deeper into the matter, look at how it was raised.
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Again logic takes a back seat to a shit eating politican pandering and stoking fear and ignorance. It's a sad story indeed Bill. Thanks for posting!
Again logic takes a back seat to a shit eating politican pandering and stoking fear and ignorance. It's a sad story indeed Bill. Thanks for posting!
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I am tired of hearing anti bully breed haters telling the world when an ill trained dog that HAPPENS to be a bully breed attacks someone. I have seen Labs, Retrievers, little ankle nippers and all kinds of other dog breeds attack folks, so take all these Pit Bull, American Staffordshire, and other bully breed attack news items and stuff them where the sun don't shine.
I have had a Pitt/Rott/Mastiff mix very well trained and he never attacked anyone who didn't sorely deserve it. and at that, his usaul behavior was to simply stand his ground, growl and wanr the individual they better not move. Bulliet, he protects his mistress with every once of his 65 pounds, and will do whatever it takes to protect family.
Now I have to wonder, maybe your just a squirrel.."BULLIET! GET THE SQUIRREL!"
ps there is a reason these breeds(Bully Breeds) have been a part of the American Family since the early 1800's. It is because one, they are smarter than many people, two, they are very easy to train, and three, they are very good judges of character when properly trained and socialized
Nuff Said
I am tired of hearing anti bully breed haters telling the world when an ill trained dog that HAPPENS to be a bully breed attacks someone. I have seen Labs, Retrievers, little ankle nippers and all kinds of other dog breeds attack folks, so take all these Pit Bull, American Staffordshire, and other bully breed attack news items and stuff them where the sun don't shine.
I have had a Pitt/Rott/Mastiff mix very well trained and he never attacked anyone who didn't sorely deserve it. and at that, his usaul behavior was to simply stand his ground, growl and wanr the individual they better not move. Bulliet, he protects his mistress with every once of his 65 pounds, and will do whatever it takes to protect family.
Now I have to wonder, maybe your just a squirrel.."BULLIET! GET THE SQUIRREL!"
ps there is a reason these breeds(Bully Breeds) have been a part of the American Family since the early 1800's. It is because one, they are smarter than many people, two, they are very easy to train, and three, they are very good judges of character when properly trained and socialized
Nuff Said
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am tired of hearing anti bully breed haters telling the world when an ill trained dog that HAPPENS to be a bully breed attacks someone. I have seen Labs, Retrievers, little ankle nippers and all kinds of other dog breeds attack folks, so take all these Pit Bull, American Staffordshire, and other bully breed attack news items and stuff them where the sun don't shine.
I have had a Pitt/Rott/Mastiff mix very well trained and he never attacked anyone who didn't sorely deserve it. and at that, his usaul behavior was to simply stand his ground, growl and wanr the individual they better not move. Bulliet, he protects his mistress with every once of his 65 pounds, and will do whatever it takes to protect family.
Now I have to wonder, maybe your just a squirrel.."BULLIET! GET THE SQUIRREL!"
ps there is a reason these breeds(Bully Breeds) have been a part of the American Family since the early 1800's. It is because one, they are smarter than many people, two, they are very easy to train, and three, they are very good judges of character when properly trained and socialized
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You're my new best friend....
Seriously though, when shit like this happens they should blame the owner, charge the owner with negligence or friggin' make up something to make owners take responsibility for their dogs!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am tired of hearing anti bully breed haters telling the world when an ill trained dog that HAPPENS to be a bully breed attacks someone. I have seen Labs, Retrievers, little ankle nippers and all kinds of other dog breeds attack folks, so take all these Pit Bull, American Staffordshire, and other bully breed attack news items and stuff them where the sun don't shine.
I have had a Pitt/Rott/Mastiff mix very well trained and he never attacked anyone who didn't sorely deserve it. and at that, his usaul behavior was to simply stand his ground, growl and wanr the individual they better not move. Bulliet, he protects his mistress with every once of his 65 pounds, and will do whatever it takes to protect family.
Now I have to wonder, maybe your just a squirrel.."BULLIET! GET THE SQUIRREL!"
ps there is a reason these breeds(Bully Breeds) have been a part of the American Family since the early 1800's. It is because one, they are smarter than many people, two, they are very easy to train, and three, they are very good judges of character when properly trained and socialized
Nuff Said </div></div>
You're my new best friend....
Seriously though, when shit like this happens they should blame the owner, charge the owner with negligence or friggin' make up something to make owners take responsibility for their dogs!
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Bill Larson. You are no better than the ANTI-GUN people. You are using the same tactics of fear and ignorance that they use to get people on their side. Take your agenda elsewhere.
You will probably find on here that many firearms people are also hunters and also dog people. Usually its all tied together. Good chance you are seriously outnumbered here.
Bill Larson. You are no better than the ANTI-GUN people. You are using the same tactics of fear and ignorance that they use to get people on their side. Take your agenda elsewhere.
You will probably find on here that many firearms people are also hunters and also dog people. Usually its all tied together. Good chance you are seriously outnumbered here.
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Bill are you made because you came into the other pit bull thread and got shut down? You were sent packing because you came with false claims and a "google story" to back up your loose facts. Don't start slinging mud about something you know nothing about. Anyone can google and then copy and paste stories.
How about that story that a pet monkey escaped its cage and chewed a woman's face and hands off and it took nearly a dozen bullets, a 12ga shotgun and 3 cops to kill the animal? It was the chimps fault for attacking but it was the dumb ass owners that should be prosecuted for having a monkey as a pet. Some people are not fit to have such animals. Simple fact. You get more then you sign up for. That is mostly the case with pitbull owners. They often find out they are getting more dog then they can handle. They need to be played with, shown affection, trained, exercised and so on. If I chained you to a tree all day I bet you would be pretty pissed about life.
Bill are you made because you came into the other pit bull thread and got shut down? You were sent packing because you came with false claims and a "google story" to back up your loose facts. Don't start slinging mud about something you know nothing about. Anyone can google and then copy and paste stories.
How about that story that a pet monkey escaped its cage and chewed a woman's face and hands off and it took nearly a dozen bullets, a 12ga shotgun and 3 cops to kill the animal? It was the chimps fault for attacking but it was the dumb ass owners that should be prosecuted for having a monkey as a pet. Some people are not fit to have such animals. Simple fact. You get more then you sign up for. That is mostly the case with pitbull owners. They often find out they are getting more dog then they can handle. They need to be played with, shown affection, trained, exercised and so on. If I chained you to a tree all day I bet you would be pretty pissed about life.
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They are very strong animals. My aunt in law has a pit bull and that is a well mannered dog, but even when playing it is so strong that when I'm sitting on the couch and that dog jumps on me I can't over power it. The dog bit rocks for fun and cracked its teeth on rocks without apparently being bothered by the pain.
When an animal is that strong, it's like a lion or a bear- it might be tame, but you are putting your life and fate in the mind of an animal.
Recently that pitbull bit a neighbor kid of that aunt in law and the police ordered it killed. It was an isolated incident and only a brief warning bite (not a full on attack), but out of character for the dog, and of course the laws exist to protect human fate from being placed into the actions of a pet animal.
They are very strong animals. My aunt in law has a pit bull and that is a well mannered dog, but even when playing it is so strong that when I'm sitting on the couch and that dog jumps on me I can't over power it. The dog bit rocks for fun and cracked its teeth on rocks without apparently being bothered by the pain.
When an animal is that strong, it's like a lion or a bear- it might be tame, but you are putting your life and fate in the mind of an animal.
Recently that pitbull bit a neighbor kid of that aunt in law and the police ordered it killed. It was an isolated incident and only a brief warning bite (not a full on attack), but out of character for the dog, and of course the laws exist to protect human fate from being placed into the actions of a pet animal.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How about that story that a pet monkey escaped its cage and chewed a woman's face and hands off and it took nearly a dozen bullets, a 12ga shotgun and 3 cops to kill the animal? It was the chimps fault for attacking but it was the dumb ass owners that should be prosecuted for having a monkey as a pet. Some people are not fit to have such animals. Simple fact. You get more then you sign up for. That is mostly the case with pitbull owners. They often find out they are getting more dog then they can handle. They need to be played with, shown affection, trained, exercised and so on. If I chained you to a tree all day I bet you would be pretty pissed about life. </div></div>
^^^This^^^
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How about that story that a pet monkey escaped its cage and chewed a woman's face and hands off and it took nearly a dozen bullets, a 12ga shotgun and 3 cops to kill the animal? It was the chimps fault for attacking but it was the dumb ass owners that should be prosecuted for having a monkey as a pet. Some people are not fit to have such animals. Simple fact. You get more then you sign up for. That is mostly the case with pitbull owners. They often find out they are getting more dog then they can handle. They need to be played with, shown affection, trained, exercised and so on. If I chained you to a tree all day I bet you would be pretty pissed about life. </div></div>
^^^This^^^
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I have to say... without sounding heartless that kids are the worst!
They walk right up to a dog and try to touch its head or face without any warning.
If someone walks up and sticks their hand in my face or touches my head I would likely assault them!
Whoever was supposed to be watching that kid is at fault... NOT the dog.
I have to say... without sounding heartless that kids are the worst!
They walk right up to a dog and try to touch its head or face without any warning.
If someone walks up and sticks their hand in my face or touches my head I would likely assault them!
Whoever was supposed to be watching that kid is at fault... NOT the dog.
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This is retarded. Someone lock this crap up. Im sick of seeing pit owners vs pit haters threads.
This is retarded. Someone lock this crap up. Im sick of seeing pit owners vs pit haters threads.
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I have a sad pitbull story. Just yesterday this guy entered my backyard while I wasnt home. He was there to build me a garden shed. Both my dogs were in the yard. One is a 65lb, muscular pitbull.
Well, you know the rest...
He built my shed, while my dumbass dog watched him from the porch.
The sad part? If some unknown dude comes into my backyard without me, unannounced, he'd BETTER leave bleeding!
Dumb dog...
I have a sad pitbull story. Just yesterday this guy entered my backyard while I wasnt home. He was there to build me a garden shed. Both my dogs were in the yard. One is a 65lb, muscular pitbull.
Well, you know the rest...
He built my shed, while my dumbass dog watched him from the porch.
The sad part? If some unknown dude comes into my backyard without me, unannounced, he'd BETTER leave bleeding!
Dumb dog...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have to say... without sounding heartless that kids are the worst!
They walk right up to a dog and try to touch its head or face without any warning.
If someone walks up and sticks their hand in my face or touches my head I would likely assault them!
Whoever was supposed to be watching that kid is at fault... NOT the dog. </div></div>
Think a judge would agree?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have to say... without sounding heartless that kids are the worst!
They walk right up to a dog and try to touch its head or face without any warning.
If someone walks up and sticks their hand in my face or touches my head I would likely assault them!
Whoever was supposed to be watching that kid is at fault... NOT the dog. </div></div>
Think a judge would agree?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is retarded. Someone lock this crap up. Im sick of seeing pit owners vs pit haters threads.
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This^^
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is retarded. Someone lock this crap up. Im sick of seeing pit owners vs pit haters threads.
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This^^
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Another sad story...
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Alderman-Pit-Bull-Chicago-137562478.html
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You were losing the argument in the other thread so you've resorted to posting up "Pit Bull Attack" stories? You gonna post every animal attack or just be another fear monger creating hype about one breed?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Another sad story...
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Alderman-Pit-Bull-Chicago-137562478.html
</div></div>
You were losing the argument in the other thread so you've resorted to posting up "Pit Bull Attack" stories? You gonna post every animal attack or just be another fear monger creating hype about one breed?
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My neighbor has a female pit and that thing is a monster. When you walk up to this dog you can't even touch it. She's usually vibrating and wiggling so badly that she looks like shes having a seizure. If you sit down in the grass she will literally climb into your lap and turn over for you to rub her tummy. If you don't sit down she'll try to climb into your arms. She's a FAR better neighbor than some of the other folks who live around me.
It's the owners, not the dogs. And the parents who do not teach their children how to properly approach a dog EVERY TIME.
My neighbor has a female pit and that thing is a monster. When you walk up to this dog you can't even touch it. She's usually vibrating and wiggling so badly that she looks like shes having a seizure. If you sit down in the grass she will literally climb into your lap and turn over for you to rub her tummy. If you don't sit down she'll try to climb into your arms. She's a FAR better neighbor than some of the other folks who live around me.
It's the owners, not the dogs. And the parents who do not teach their children how to properly approach a dog EVERY TIME.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's the owners, not the dogs.
</div></div>I see this so much. Yes, there are probably plenty of lovable pits, you can also go to seaworld and see a person swim with a killer whale. The fact is that both are powerful and dangerous. Just because you can train one to be nice doesnt mean that it cant rip someones face off. There are laws that prohibit civilian ownership of dangerous animals. I dont think we should outlaw pits, I just think that we need to make sure people (owners) respect the animal and take measures to keep it from getting loose.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's the owners, not the dogs.
</div></div>I see this so much. Yes, there are probably plenty of lovable pits, you can also go to seaworld and see a person swim with a killer whale. The fact is that both are powerful and dangerous. Just because you can train one to be nice doesnt mean that it cant rip someones face off. There are laws that prohibit civilian ownership of dangerous animals. I dont think we should outlaw pits, I just think that we need to make sure people (owners) respect the animal and take measures to keep it from getting loose.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's the owners, not the dogs.
</div></div>I see this so much. Yes, there are probably plenty of lovable pits, you can also go to seaworld and see a person swim with a killer whale. The fact is that both are powerful and dangerous. Just because you can train one to be nice doesnt mean that it cant rip someones face off. There are laws that prohibit civilian ownership of dangerous animals. I dont think we should outlaw pits, I just think that we need to make sure people (owners) respect the animal and take measures to keep it from getting loose. </div></div>
Dont forget chimps.....
I knew a guy that had a female lion....
No one screens these people that buy exotic or powerful animals.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's the owners, not the dogs.
</div></div>I see this so much. Yes, there are probably plenty of lovable pits, you can also go to seaworld and see a person swim with a killer whale. The fact is that both are powerful and dangerous. Just because you can train one to be nice doesnt mean that it cant rip someones face off. There are laws that prohibit civilian ownership of dangerous animals. I dont think we should outlaw pits, I just think that we need to make sure people (owners) respect the animal and take measures to keep it from getting loose. </div></div>
Dont forget chimps.....
I knew a guy that had a female lion....
No one screens these people that buy exotic or powerful animals.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the parents who do not teach their children how to properly approach a dog EVERY TIME.
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If you really think you can teach a child to do anything properly EVERY TIME, I'm going to guess you don't have kids...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And the parents who do not teach their children how to properly approach a dog EVERY TIME.
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If you really think you can teach a child to do anything properly EVERY TIME, I'm going to guess you don't have kids...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's the owners, not the dogs.
</div></div>I see this so much. Yes, there are probably plenty of lovable pits, you can also go to seaworld and see a person swim with a killer whale. The fact is that both are powerful and dangerous. Just because you can train one to be nice doesnt mean that it cant rip someones face off. There are laws that prohibit civilian ownership of dangerous animals. I dont think we should outlaw pits, I just think that we need to make sure people (owners) respect the animal and take measures to keep it from getting loose. </div></div>
All animals are dangerous as they weren't intended to be pets. My issue is with idiots who single out one specific breed and try to make factual claims that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" when it's just their opinion. A Pit is no more dangerous than a Rottweiler, Doberman, German Shepard, Bull Mastiff, or any other large breed muscular dog. And fact is many humans are far more dangerous than dogs but we don't seem to put breed restrictions on those evaders of Natural Selection...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Axshon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's the owners, not the dogs.
</div></div>I see this so much. Yes, there are probably plenty of lovable pits, you can also go to seaworld and see a person swim with a killer whale. The fact is that both are powerful and dangerous. Just because you can train one to be nice doesnt mean that it cant rip someones face off. There are laws that prohibit civilian ownership of dangerous animals. I dont think we should outlaw pits, I just think that we need to make sure people (owners) respect the animal and take measures to keep it from getting loose. </div></div>
All animals are dangerous as they weren't intended to be pets. My issue is with idiots who single out one specific breed and try to make factual claims that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" when it's just their opinion. A Pit is no more dangerous than a Rottweiler, Doberman, German Shepard, Bull Mastiff, or any other large breed muscular dog. And fact is many humans are far more dangerous than dogs but we don't seem to put breed restrictions on those evaders of Natural Selection...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" ...</div></div>
Thats actually not an opinion. That IS a fact. Pointers were bred to hunt birds. Heelers were bred to herd cattle. And pitbulls WERE bred to fight. Bred to fight other dogs. Historically speaking however, people-aggressive pits were ruthlessly culled out. You cant run a dogfight if the humans in the ring cant handle their dogs. Once the fighting was done the dogs went back to the farm with the family. They were NEVER bred originally to be people aggressive.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" ...</div></div>
Thats actually not an opinion. That IS a fact. Pointers were bred to hunt birds. Heelers were bred to herd cattle. And pitbulls WERE bred to fight. Bred to fight other dogs. Historically speaking however, people-aggressive pits were ruthlessly culled out. You cant run a dogfight if the humans in the ring cant handle their dogs. Once the fighting was done the dogs went back to the farm with the family. They were NEVER bred originally to be people aggressive.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" ...</div></div>
Thats actually not an opinion. That IS a fact. Pointers were bred to hunt birds. Heelers were bred to herd cattle. And pitbulls WERE bred to fight. Bred to fight other dogs. Historically speaking however, people-aggressive pits were ruthlessly culled out. You cant run a dogfight if the humans in the ring cant handle their dogs. Once the fighting was done the dogs went back to the farm with the family. They were NEVER bred originally to be people aggressive. </div></div>
WRONG.
Pits were used to cull cattle. Mainly the bulls. Hence their large head, thick neck and powerful jaws. Their origins stemmed from needing an animal capable of bringing down a raging bull that was to dangerous for humans to go after. They also called it bull baiting. The pitbull was used to bay the bull and the butchers would come in to take the animal down..... for slaughter that led to putting food on the table and money in their pockets.
So yet again we have another person assuming they know that they were bred to fight and kill. English bulldogs were the original blood line and were held in high regards as champion show dogs. This information comes from the 1800's fyi.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" ...</div></div>
Thats actually not an opinion. That IS a fact. Pointers were bred to hunt birds. Heelers were bred to herd cattle. And pitbulls WERE bred to fight. Bred to fight other dogs. Historically speaking however, people-aggressive pits were ruthlessly culled out. You cant run a dogfight if the humans in the ring cant handle their dogs. Once the fighting was done the dogs went back to the farm with the family. They were NEVER bred originally to be people aggressive. </div></div>
WRONG.
Pits were used to cull cattle. Mainly the bulls. Hence their large head, thick neck and powerful jaws. Their origins stemmed from needing an animal capable of bringing down a raging bull that was to dangerous for humans to go after. They also called it bull baiting. The pitbull was used to bay the bull and the butchers would come in to take the animal down..... for slaughter that led to putting food on the table and money in their pockets.
So yet again we have another person assuming they know that they were bred to fight and kill. English bulldogs were the original blood line and were held in high regards as champion show dogs. This information comes from the 1800's fyi.
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Jesus FUCKING Christ, I am so sick of hearing seeing these threads, some of you either need to go jack off and blow off some of that steam go shoot or do something, for fuck sakes.
Jesus FUCKING Christ, I am so sick of hearing seeing these threads, some of you either need to go jack off and blow off some of that steam go shoot or do something, for fuck sakes.
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^ what he said regarding breeding...
Pitt's, AmStaffies, and Staffies are medium breeds. Their max normal weight is nominally >75 pounds with heights of >24". They are not big dogs. Muscular, yes. Quick, heck yeah. Lots of heart and what we call 'gameness'*, yes.
CJ, your dog knew that was a good individual doing work, and my guess is he had seen both you and him together amicibally before that day, and hence saw a non threat that was 'ok' according to 'Alpha'.
It's funny, many say oh these dogs get out adn they are dangerous. I keep Bulleit's collar on when we are out in teh yard because sometimes the gate gets left open. His normal behavior should he see this and no one is looking? Go screw woith the hunting dogs across teh draw through their fence, drop down to say hi to the neighbors if they are out, then come running when he hears his whistle. Now he is trying to figure out why someone is whistling for him from the tree out back...seems a mocking bird has decided that is a fun whistle to mimic. Ya ever see a smart dog, sitting on his haunches, looking up into a tree with that wtf look? Frikken priceless!
No one breed of dog is any more, or any less vicious than another. No one breed is bred for this behavior. It is a learned behavior based upon circumstancial experiences both trained or untrained. A good dog of any breed will respond to training, and not be vicious when trained properly and well on a regular basis, however, dogs do not like being touched from above. This is the reason for self protection toward people, it has been published time and time again that dogs, like YOU and I, do not like hands in faces. The proper way to aproach is hand turned palm upward, under the dogs chin, stopping so the dog can accept YOOU, get your scent, then allow you to proceed. If the dog does not want you there, they will turn their face left or right and try to ignore YOU. If you persist, well, you have been given warning, most will go away, not too smart will persist, and if not supervised get that warning growl...you put a hand in my face and I don't know you , you get a warning growl and if yu touch my face in a manner I do not like, you will get attacked...same things, same behaviors that we all know. Dogs and people respond exactly alike in this one manner. Several other traits are also learned that are similiar. Do YOU not sit happily when the promise of food is ready to be eaten, waiting for you rmistress to set yur plate down in front of you? Thought so
* this is what many falsely say is the ability to lock the jaw. The fact is this is not possible. It is the 'spirit' within the dog to not give up, a very Marine like characteristic. In point of fact, Rottweilers have the same trait and eons ago earned the nickname 'Iron Jaws'
^ what he said regarding breeding...
Pitt's, AmStaffies, and Staffies are medium breeds. Their max normal weight is nominally >75 pounds with heights of >24". They are not big dogs. Muscular, yes. Quick, heck yeah. Lots of heart and what we call 'gameness'*, yes.
CJ, your dog knew that was a good individual doing work, and my guess is he had seen both you and him together amicibally before that day, and hence saw a non threat that was 'ok' according to 'Alpha'.
It's funny, many say oh these dogs get out adn they are dangerous. I keep Bulleit's collar on when we are out in teh yard because sometimes the gate gets left open. His normal behavior should he see this and no one is looking? Go screw woith the hunting dogs across teh draw through their fence, drop down to say hi to the neighbors if they are out, then come running when he hears his whistle. Now he is trying to figure out why someone is whistling for him from the tree out back...seems a mocking bird has decided that is a fun whistle to mimic. Ya ever see a smart dog, sitting on his haunches, looking up into a tree with that wtf look? Frikken priceless!
No one breed of dog is any more, or any less vicious than another. No one breed is bred for this behavior. It is a learned behavior based upon circumstancial experiences both trained or untrained. A good dog of any breed will respond to training, and not be vicious when trained properly and well on a regular basis, however, dogs do not like being touched from above. This is the reason for self protection toward people, it has been published time and time again that dogs, like YOU and I, do not like hands in faces. The proper way to aproach is hand turned palm upward, under the dogs chin, stopping so the dog can accept YOOU, get your scent, then allow you to proceed. If the dog does not want you there, they will turn their face left or right and try to ignore YOU. If you persist, well, you have been given warning, most will go away, not too smart will persist, and if not supervised get that warning growl...you put a hand in my face and I don't know you , you get a warning growl and if yu touch my face in a manner I do not like, you will get attacked...same things, same behaviors that we all know. Dogs and people respond exactly alike in this one manner. Several other traits are also learned that are similiar. Do YOU not sit happily when the promise of food is ready to be eaten, waiting for you rmistress to set yur plate down in front of you? Thought so
* this is what many falsely say is the ability to lock the jaw. The fact is this is not possible. It is the 'spirit' within the dog to not give up, a very Marine like characteristic. In point of fact, Rottweilers have the same trait and eons ago earned the nickname 'Iron Jaws'
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" ...</div></div>
Thats actually not an opinion. That IS a fact. Pointers were bred to hunt birds. Heelers were bred to herd cattle. And pitbulls WERE bred to fight. Bred to fight other dogs. Historically speaking however, people-aggressive pits were ruthlessly culled out. You cant run a dogfight if the humans in the ring cant handle their dogs. Once the fighting was done the dogs went back to the farm with the family. They were NEVER bred originally to be people aggressive. </div></div>
WRONG.
Pits were used to cull cattle. Mainly the bulls. Hence their large head, thick neck and powerful jaws. Their origins stemmed from needing an animal capable of bringing down a raging bull that was to dangerous for humans to go after. They also called it bull baiting. The pitbull was used to bay the bull and the butchers would come in to take the animal down..... for slaughter that led to putting food on the table and money in their pockets.
So yet again we have another person assuming they know that they were bred to fight and kill. English bulldogs were the original blood line and were held in high regards as champion show dogs. This information comes from the 1800's fyi. </div></div>
I think we're both right personally, because yeah, they were also used in bull baiting, which also turned into a 'pasttime' use of the dog. Which then lead to dog fighting, which then led to specified breeding of the animal for more dog fighting use. Either way, I'm on the pit's side.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...that pit bulls were "breed to fight/kill" ...</div></div>
Thats actually not an opinion. That IS a fact. Pointers were bred to hunt birds. Heelers were bred to herd cattle. And pitbulls WERE bred to fight. Bred to fight other dogs. Historically speaking however, people-aggressive pits were ruthlessly culled out. You cant run a dogfight if the humans in the ring cant handle their dogs. Once the fighting was done the dogs went back to the farm with the family. They were NEVER bred originally to be people aggressive. </div></div>
WRONG.
Pits were used to cull cattle. Mainly the bulls. Hence their large head, thick neck and powerful jaws. Their origins stemmed from needing an animal capable of bringing down a raging bull that was to dangerous for humans to go after. They also called it bull baiting. The pitbull was used to bay the bull and the butchers would come in to take the animal down..... for slaughter that led to putting food on the table and money in their pockets.
So yet again we have another person assuming they know that they were bred to fight and kill. English bulldogs were the original blood line and were held in high regards as champion show dogs. This information comes from the 1800's fyi. </div></div>
I think we're both right personally, because yeah, they were also used in bull baiting, which also turned into a 'pasttime' use of the dog. Which then lead to dog fighting, which then led to specified breeding of the animal for more dog fighting use. Either way, I'm on the pit's side.
Re: Pit Bull Attacks
This subject is not meant to be personal.... or opinionated...
these laws and ordinances were voted on by the majority.I did`nt make them...I don`t live in an area with them.
Kinda like the seatbelt laws and the driving while intoxicated laws....you may not agree with them.... but they were laws passed....by the majority....
So how should one react...????.. arguing/disagreeing with them after the fact is useless.....
bill larson
This subject is not meant to be personal.... or opinionated...
these laws and ordinances were voted on by the majority.I did`nt make them...I don`t live in an area with them.
Kinda like the seatbelt laws and the driving while intoxicated laws....you may not agree with them.... but they were laws passed....by the majority....
So how should one react...????.. arguing/disagreeing with them after the fact is useless.....
bill larson
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This subject is not meant to be personal.... or opinionated...
these laws and ordinances were voted on by the majority.I did`nt make them...I don`t live in an area with them.
Kinda like the seatbelt laws and the driving while intoxicated laws....you may not agree with them.... but they were laws passed....by the majority....
<span style="color: #CC0000"> So how should one react</span> ...????.. arguing/disagreeing with them after the fact is useless.....
bill larson </div></div>
If you dont like the law there is one way...
<span style="font-size: 20pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000">VOTE </span> </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This subject is not meant to be personal.... or opinionated...
these laws and ordinances were voted on by the majority.I did`nt make them...I don`t live in an area with them.
Kinda like the seatbelt laws and the driving while intoxicated laws....you may not agree with them.... but they were laws passed....by the majority....
<span style="color: #CC0000"> So how should one react</span> ...????.. arguing/disagreeing with them after the fact is useless.....
bill larson </div></div>
If you dont like the law there is one way...
<span style="font-size: 20pt"> <span style="color: #FF0000">VOTE </span> </span>
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AMEN.......
end of story.......
bill larson
AMEN.......
end of story.......
bill larson
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End of story?
Because your getting hammered in your own thread?
End of story?
Because your getting hammered in your own thread?
Re: Pit Bull Attacks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This subject is not meant to be personal.... or opinionated...
these laws and ordinances were voted on by the majority.I did`nt make them...I don`t live in an area with them.
Kinda like the seatbelt laws and the driving while intoxicated laws....you may not agree with them.... but they were laws passed....by the majority....
So how should one react...????.. arguing/disagreeing with them after the fact is useless.....
bill larson </div></div>
The government enacting a law does not provide evidence to your OPINION. If you don't want the subject to be opinionated then start by not interjecting your own opinion to begin with. And citing laws regarding vehicular safety an issue that kills more people than guns and dogs combined? Really? As a US Citizen it is our right to also questions ANY law or legislation. It's called Civic Duty.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Larson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This subject is not meant to be personal.... or opinionated...
these laws and ordinances were voted on by the majority.I did`nt make them...I don`t live in an area with them.
Kinda like the seatbelt laws and the driving while intoxicated laws....you may not agree with them.... but they were laws passed....by the majority....
So how should one react...????.. arguing/disagreeing with them after the fact is useless.....
bill larson </div></div>
The government enacting a law does not provide evidence to your OPINION. If you don't want the subject to be opinionated then start by not interjecting your own opinion to begin with. And citing laws regarding vehicular safety an issue that kills more people than guns and dogs combined? Really? As a US Citizen it is our right to also questions ANY law or legislation. It's called Civic Duty.
Re: Pit Bull Attacks
"Can't we all just get along"?
"Can't we all just get along"?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Like this?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Like this?
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Damn evil dog pit bull loved my kids more than anything, lost a large part of our family last summer when he passed away, loved other dogs and people aswell. Its called loving and socializing your animal dont just throw it on a chain and hope for it to be well adjusted and loving to everyone.
The dogs that do the damage are the ones that are out of character of the true nature of the breed. To many people buy them for the look at my bad ass looking dog aspect, see it all the time around here.
Damn evil dog pit bull loved my kids more than anything, lost a large part of our family last summer when he passed away, loved other dogs and people aswell. Its called loving and socializing your animal dont just throw it on a chain and hope for it to be well adjusted and loving to everyone.
The dogs that do the damage are the ones that are out of character of the true nature of the breed. To many people buy them for the look at my bad ass looking dog aspect, see it all the time around here.
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I have been around several pits and they were all big babies. I would trust them around kids before I would trust my little chihuahua. My dog is so aggressive that she has tried to attack a pit and the pit just stands there trying to sniff her ass. If they were so violent, why hasn't she been eaten by one if their instinct is to fight?
I have been around several pits and they were all big babies. I would trust them around kids before I would trust my little chihuahua. My dog is so aggressive that she has tried to attack a pit and the pit just stands there trying to sniff her ass. If they were so violent, why hasn't she been eaten by one if their instinct is to fight?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been around several pits and they were all big babies. I would trust them around kids before I would trust my little chihuahua. My dog is so aggressive that she has tried to attack a pit and the pit just stands there trying to sniff her ass. If they were so violent, why hasn't she been eaten by one if their instinct is to fight? </div></div>
It wasnt her ass he was smelling, and that may be why she survived.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bradu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been around several pits and they were all big babies. I would trust them around kids before I would trust my little chihuahua. My dog is so aggressive that she has tried to attack a pit and the pit just stands there trying to sniff her ass. If they were so violent, why hasn't she been eaten by one if their instinct is to fight? </div></div>
It wasnt her ass he was smelling, and that may be why she survived.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Nope, not when some enema nozzle comes spoutin off about what has traditionally been America's favorite dog since the 19th century. Wait, I think if I put a squirrel on the OP and tell Bulleit to get the squairrel, maybe, just maybe we can get along...with a damn good laugh!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Nope, not when some enema nozzle comes spoutin off about what has traditionally been America's favorite dog since the 19th century. Wait, I think if I put a squirrel on the OP and tell Bulleit to get the squairrel, maybe, just maybe we can get along...with a damn good laugh!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Nope, not when some enema nozzle comes spoutin off about what has traditionally been America's favorite dog since the 19th century. Wait, I think if I put a squirrel on the OP and tell Bulleit to get the squairrel, maybe, just maybe we can get along...with a damn good laugh! </div></div>
Nominee for post of the year.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Nope, not when some enema nozzle comes spoutin off about what has traditionally been America's favorite dog since the 19th century. Wait, I think if I put a squirrel on the OP and tell Bulleit to get the squairrel, maybe, just maybe we can get along...with a damn good laugh! </div></div>
Nominee for post of the year.
Re: Pit Bull Attacks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Nope, not when some enema nozzle comes spoutin off about what has traditionally been America's favorite dog since the 19th century. Wait, I think if I put a squirrel on the OP and tell Bulleit to get the squairrel, maybe, just maybe we can get along...with a damn good laugh! </div></div>
FTMFW!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Can't we all just get along"? </div></div>
Nope, not when some enema nozzle comes spoutin off about what has traditionally been America's favorite dog since the 19th century. Wait, I think if I put a squirrel on the OP and tell Bulleit to get the squairrel, maybe, just maybe we can get along...with a damn good laugh! </div></div>
FTMFW!!
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Re: Pit Bull Attacks
This is a training issue and not a breed issue. Pit bulls can be hard to handle due to their extensive muscling, so we usually need an extra hand when examining one. Not many animals like the vet in the first place so that has little to do with the breed. Amazing athletes, pit bulls are. As far as trust goes, i have seen too many kids hurt when they backed an unfamiliar animal into a corner. The owner's always say the dog had never done anything like that before, but it still happened. Not telling anyone their business, but i am pretty cynical after 35 stitches from dogs.
This is a training issue and not a breed issue. Pit bulls can be hard to handle due to their extensive muscling, so we usually need an extra hand when examining one. Not many animals like the vet in the first place so that has little to do with the breed. Amazing athletes, pit bulls are. As far as trust goes, i have seen too many kids hurt when they backed an unfamiliar animal into a corner. The owner's always say the dog had never done anything like that before, but it still happened. Not telling anyone their business, but i am pretty cynical after 35 stitches from dogs.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redroan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a training issue and not a breed issue. Pit bulls can be hard to handle due to their extensive muscling, so we usually need an extra hand when examining one. Not many animals like the vet in the first place so that has little to do with the breed. Amazing athletes, pit bulls are. As far as trust goes, i have seen too many kids hurt when they backed an unfamiliar animal into a corner. The owner's always say the dog had never done anything like that before, but it still happened. Not telling anyone their business, but i am pretty cynical after 35 stitches from dogs. </div></div>
They certainly can be hard to handle. They're stubborn and very capable athletes. I'm glad to hear from somebody who understands the real situation. We don't immediately arrest bodybuilders because they're strong and capable of hurting people. We shouldn't do the same to dogs that are in the same situation.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redroan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a training issue and not a breed issue. Pit bulls can be hard to handle due to their extensive muscling, so we usually need an extra hand when examining one. Not many animals like the vet in the first place so that has little to do with the breed. Amazing athletes, pit bulls are. As far as trust goes, i have seen too many kids hurt when they backed an unfamiliar animal into a corner. The owner's always say the dog had never done anything like that before, but it still happened. Not telling anyone their business, but i am pretty cynical after 35 stitches from dogs. </div></div>
They certainly can be hard to handle. They're stubborn and very capable athletes. I'm glad to hear from somebody who understands the real situation. We don't immediately arrest bodybuilders because they're strong and capable of hurting people. We shouldn't do the same to dogs that are in the same situation.
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