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RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

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I am looking for 4 sniper rifles for a mid-sized urban PD.

The budget is $10,000-$12,000. Of course would like to stay on the lower end of the budget.

Price is for rifles only. No optics, bipods, drag bags, accessories.

non negotiable must haves:
1-Bolt action
2-.308 caliber
3- adjustable comb and length of pull.
4- detachable 10- round mags
5- provision to mount NV in front of optics

The snipers are currently using McMillian stocked Remy 700s.

Some have suggested AI rifles, and others suggested Remington USRs. Just tossing out ideas.

Savage was removed from the table because of their dislike of the Accutrigger(Personally I like it)

What does the Hide recommend?
I figured this would be the best place to ask.

TIA
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

FN SPR A5 or contact GA precision.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

gap,apa, robert gradious, terry cross, chad dixon, dave tooley and so many more. take your pick they will all build one hell of a tack driver. any of the accuracy international rifles would also be a good choice
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J Blaze</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love these threads... Who's first to lose it over "sniper" </div></div>

Well, considering they are to be used by PD snipers....my recommendation is AIAE's they are very impressive of the three I've seen and shot.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

What's wrong with the Remington's you have?
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

you could easily send the remingtons you have off for a overhaul by some damn good smiths with that money and they will be lasers.

also why not something like a ar10, you could probably get into GAP10's or LWRC or Larue's, LMT's etc for that money and they would be great weapons
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Buy 4 chassis' of your choice (AI, XLR or McRee) and have the funds left to buy a bunch of ammo etc (and a rebarrel with Bartlein, Krieger etc).
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

most of the suggestions, so far, are slightly over budget...

I'm going to start by asking a few things...

not the least of which is how many "sniper" (tactical precision rifle) engagements has the dept. had?

is the dept. wanting four additional rifles or to replace four that they are now using?

what are the state laws/LE governing body regulations, if any that cover LE weapons?

you said urban, that's kinda vague, what distances are the officers trained to engage at, and back to the first question, what have they engaged at?

there could be more, but then I'd have to actually think about this, and I'm not inclined to put much effort into it, mainly because you didn't before you asked in the first place.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

while I was typing Joe, Kraig, and Dirty D all hit on what I was getting at... unless the dept. is adding 4 additional shooters... have the Remingtons rebuilt one at a time.... make lasers and spend the rest on ammo or other gear.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most of the suggestions, so far, are slightly over budget...

I'm going to start by asking a few things...

not the least of which is how many "sniper" (tactical precision rifle) engagements has the dept. had?

is the dept. wanting four additional rifles or to replace four that they are now using?

what are the state laws/LE governing body regulations, if any that cover LE weapons?

you said urban, that's kinda vague, what distances are the officers trained to engage at, and back to the first question, what have they engaged at?

there could be more, but then I'd have to actually think about this, and I'm not inclined to put much effort into it, mainly because you didn't before you asked in the first place. </div></div>
The Dept is looking to replace 4 existing rifles. The Sgt is saying they will be using them for quite a while.
The 700s they currently have are from 1996. They work well, but they have some other equipment to trade in (valued at $10-$12,000), and were thinking of using it as an opportunity to buy fresh rifles, that again, they will be married to for several years.

You ask what distances they train at, and instead of making up BS, I'll admit that I do not know.
As you can see by my location, I am in a metropolitan area. I can check and report back.
I can also check how many engagements they encounter annually.
They had previously sent one rifle off to be re-barreled, and were disappointed by the time it took to get the rifle back. (I don't know where they sent it)
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

the most cost effective route is rebuilding the current rifles...

but you need to KNOW exactly how they'll be used before we can make any really useful suggestions on how they should be built, or even what to replace them with....

another thing the dept needs to think about on replacing them is the training time on a totally new platfom vs updating a familiar platform.... yes a rifle can be at a smith for a while, but retraining on say an AI from a McMillan stocked 700 takes some time too.

and if what they have is working, everyone likes the ergos, etc... keep it, change is always an adjustment, and it might not be worth the hassle
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">while I was typing Joe, Kraig, and Dirty D all hit on what I was getting at... unless the dept. is adding 4 additional shooters... have the Remingtons rebuilt one at a time.... make lasers and spend the rest on ammo or other gear. </div></div>

Regrettably, I forgot to include that they are using equipment trade to aquire the new rifles.
The equipment would include their old rifles( minus optics, bipods, etc)

They have other gear that might be enough to refresh their current 700s. I'll run this by the Sgt again, but he is pretty set on getting new rifles.
They got a couple lucky breaks with some surplus gear that is worth a few thousand, and he looks at it as an opportunity that they may not see again for a long time.

The $$$ I posted is my estimate of the equipment value.(including their current rifles)
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the most cost effective route is rebuilding the current rifles...

but you need to KNOW exactly how they'll be used before we can make any really useful suggestions on how they should be built, or even what to replace them with....

another thing the dept needs to think about on replacing them is the training time on a totally new platfom vs updating a familiar platform.... yes a rifle can be at a smith for a while, but retraining on say an AI from a McMillan stocked 700 takes some time too.

and if what they have is working, everyone likes the ergos, etc... keep it, change is always an adjustment, and it might not be worth the hassle </div></div>

Understood.
Thanks for the input, and I will be getting some more info.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

I know most departments are stuck with buying off the shelf factory rifles, for liabilty issues and warranty work as well as using factor ammo. For your price point I would look at the FN brand of rifles. The FN SPR is a great rifle with good features and cusomer service that will be around a while. The chrome lined barrel will allow youe department to shoot them alot and not worry as much with wearing out the barrel. The FN SPR is made with some quality parts and come ready to mount a scope as all the models ship with scope base. The action is the tried and trued Winchester Model 70 with Controlled Round Feed, and Mauser type claw extractor. What is not to like. For your enviroment I would choose one of the 20" Models.

Good Luck.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ogonzalez13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know most departments are stuck with buying off the shelf factory rifles, for liabilty issues and warranty work as well as using factor ammo. For your price point I would look at the FN brand of rifles. The FN SPR is a great rifle with good features and cusomer service that will be around a while. The chrome lined barrel will allow youe department to shoot them alot and not worry as much with wearing out the barrel. The FN SPR is made with some quality parts and come ready to mount a scope as all the models ship with scope base. The action is the tried and trued Winchester Model 70 with Controlled Round Feed, and Mauser type claw extractor. What is not to like. For your enviroment I would choose one of the 20" Models.

Good Luck. </div></div>

I second this. Rifles will be factory made but maintian 1/2 MOA accuracy and will will be under warranty. The FN SPR A5's are very lite,accurate, and now come with detachable bootom metal from the factory. A 20' tube will be short enough for for manurvering in/out of buildings/vehicles and be more then enough gun to 800 yards.

Everyone wants a custom gun, I do. I actually have one that I can qualify with and carry becuase my department allows that but from a management stand point I would prefer my untis carry the same equipment and it remain factory produced. Two reasons for this.

If you have a team that trains together they need to be familiar with each others equipment in case one particular rifle or operator is rendered imoperatable. The remaining teamate will be confident in his abilities to engage a suspect if the need arises.

Second, if a rifle is used in an engagement, successful or not most large companies such as FN will provide a reprasentative in the instance a criminal/civil suit follows.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

I suggested the SPR to them since I shoot a PBR myself. I like it, and can hit shit with it.

They weren't opposed to it.
I just need to gather up all the prices and options and present it to them.

I'll check out the A5s.

How about the FNH 75530?
is there a 10 round mag for this, or does that require new bottom metal?

It will need a rail up front to mount NV in front of the scope.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

I don't know anything about the 75530, I've never heard of it.


The A5 IMHO pretty much fits your bill. All you would have to do is have a smith bed a badger NV mount. Just make sure the same smith does all them to stay in line with the idea of it remaining "factory" in case a suit does arise.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coctailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suggested the SPR to them since I shoot a PBR myself. I like it, and can hit shit with it.

They weren't opposed to it.
I just need to gather up all the prices and options and present it to them.

I'll check out the A5s.

How about the FNH 75530?


is there a 10 round mag for this, or does that require new bottom metal?

It will need a rail up front to mount NV in front of the scope.</div></div>

Check out FN Site. The newer Model A5 is available with a 10rd Mag.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Get the FN and you will have enough left over for a decent Leup to top it off with and some ammo..
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

An agency should be able to purchase 4 base-model AE MkIIIs for $3k each with a bit of shopping. That's going to be the absolute best bang for the buck they can get, period.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

I've never understood why PD's insist on using traditional bolt action long range rifles for their "snipers" when the typical distance of a shoot is 70 yds for PD's. My personal opinion would be to rethink the approach to the gear you have, because Remington's from 1996 are in perfect working order. Perhaps they just need a going through and clean up, but there's no reason to buy new Remingtons that have the exact same actions, or AE MkIII's that serve no additional strength for a PD, or even an FN which is just a fancy Winchester 70. Again, all great guns, but not try advantage over each other when considering the typical 70yd shot that a PD sniper takes.

Furthermore, the biggest role that a PD sniper takes is to observe and report. And if a shooting does occur, then there needs to be a good ability for a fast follow up shot. This being said, I think you should also be considering an AR10 style platform with quality optics that provide a clear and wide field of view for the shooter. AR's are incredibly reliable now days, they're cheap, and you can pair them with a suppressor for urban use. Then you might want to consider something like a S&B short dot or USO SN 1.8-10 - something that give's you a large FOV while allowing you to respond to larger magnification needs.

That's my 2 cents, and that's what I would personally want if I was in an urban sniper position in a city where long distance shooting likely wouldn't take place.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UncleBenji</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never understood why PD's insist on using traditional bolt action long range rifles for their "snipers" when the typical distance of a shoot is 70 yds for PD's. My personal opinion would be to rethink the approach to the gear you have, because Remington's from 1996 are in perfect working order. Perhaps they just need a going through and clean up, but there's no reason to buy new Remingtons that have the exact same actions, or AE MkIII's that serve no additional strength for a PD, or even an FN which is just a fancy Winchester 70. Again, all great guns, but not try advantage over each other when considering the typical 70yd shot that a PD sniper takes.

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70yd rule= pure bullshit

There is zero, none, zip information to support this. ASA did a write up on this a few years back discussing reality based training and how many PD's don't train beyond 200yd because of this mythical 70yd bullshit... and the effect that will have if they encounter a tower shooter w stand-off. Should mention they looked fairly hard for info on it- FBI had no statistics on engagement ranges and there have been no studies done.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

The 75530 (product number)referred to is the SPR-A5M with 20" barrel and DBM magazine. The 75540 is the same rifle with the TBM magazine assembly. It will ship with a single five round magazine, but ten round mags are available for the TBM.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Why not talk to your snipers and see what they prefer? Why not ask about what they feel are the shortcomings of their current rifles and address those issues specifically?
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

New rifles?
How many rounds do the current ones have thru them?
Your best bang for $$ option
Use current action, have it blueprinted
Have triggers reworked
buy new barrels, brux, bartlien, broughton etc
drop in a chassis of choice, McRee, XLR etc

sub 2000 per rig

Based on fact LEO rarely make shots longer than 200yds
AR10 platform would suffice nicely
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=400
again sub 2k per unit

Building on current action is still best idea IMHO
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

call Mile High Shooting Supply and talk to them about gettin' AE MKIIIs. They should be able to answer your questions regarding AI and budget constraints.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Action Guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 75530 (product number)referred to is the SPR-A5M with 20" barrel and DBM magazine. The 75540 is the same rifle with the TBM magazine assembly. It will ship with a single five round magazine, but ten round mags are available for the TBM. </div></div>

I was checking out the 75540 just before I logged back in here to check the thread. This might be the one.

I'm waiting to get a price back on the AI AE MKIII

Looks like the USR is special order and could take several months.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Again I ask, what is wrong with the Remingtons you have?

Are they "shot out"? What is the accuracy of them now?

I've been involved in LE Sniping both as a shooter and LE Sniper Instructor for dern near 35 years and I've never seen a shot out LE Sniper Rifle.

Even in practice (which they don't do near enough).

Unless they are shot, I'd keep the Remingtons and spend the $10K on training.

To give you an ideal, when I got involved (1978) per the guidence of the USAMU Sniiper School I got a Remington Varmint in 223, put a fixed 6X scope on it, Shot the crap out of it because I did practice. I have don't anything to the rifle since. Both of us are retired now, it to PD shooting, but it still shoots, I can still keep shots in 4 inch circle to 300 yards, more then adequate for LE Counter Sniping (head shots) in an urban enviorment.

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

JMHO

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Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again I ask, what is wrong with the Remingtons you have?

Are they "shot out"? What is the accuracy of them now?

I've been involved in LE Sniping both as a shooter and LE Sniper Instructor for dern near 35 years and I've never seen a shot out LE Sniper Rifle.

Even in practice (which they don't do near enough).

Unless they are shot, I'd keep the Remingtons and spend the $10K on training.

To give you an ideal, when I got involved (1978) per the guidence of the USAMU Sniiper School I got a Remington Varmint in 223, put a fixed 6X scope on it, Shot the crap out of it because I did practice. I have don't anything to the rifle since. Both of us are retired now, it to PD shooting, but it still shoots, I can still keep shots in 4 inch circle to 300 yards, more then adequate for LE Counter Sniping (head shots) in an urban enviorment.

I've never been a fan of spending tax payer dollars just because you can.

JMHO

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I'm not sure if you are reading my posts.
No tax dollars will be spent. They have $10,000 worth of stuff that can be thrown away (destroyed) or traded for new rifles.

I can check with them to see "Whats wrong with them"
They are old and well used. Other than that I do not know.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Are you directly involved in the agency or are you a broker? What do you stand to gain if they ditch their current system? What do you stand to lose if they keep what they have and/or improve it? Where are the current Remingtons falling short?
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Here is what I'm seeing- It appears to me there are four remingtons... which are included in the "$10k-$12k" worth of equipment. You keep making it sound like the vast majority of that will not be available if these four rifles are not included in the sale/trade. There is a HUGE problem here. Four beat-up LE remingtons in McMillan stocks do not come to even half of $10k in value.

I think you said they were from 96 or so... making them 16 years old. Unless they are M24's, they will not have a value of more than $1k each- I don't care what stock they have on them. So if we go at the low end, one could deduct from this that there should be $6k-$8k in excess equipment that can be sold off.

If these guns are truly shot out (yeah right), then the most logical step would be to have them rebarred by a reputable smith and dropped into a chassis system. With LE pricing on an AICS 1.5 and the typical cost for rebarrel and truing, you should easily be able to have these guns rebuilt with top notch barrels, better than new for $1500 each, and that may very well include a one color cerakote and timney trigger depending on the deals you may be able to work out.

That is simply the most intelligent route to go on these. Keep in mind- I was pretty generous giving these a value of $1k each. If these are 700P/PSS rifles in McMillan stocks from 96, they are more likely to be worth about $800 +/- $100 depending on condition. By rebuilding these and dropping them into AICS, that leaves you with 4 stocks you should be able to sell off for a couple hundred each, further off-setting your costs. There should be no reason why this can't be done with some funds left-over for additional ammunition.

I am really curious to see what other equipment is making up the difference in value on this lot of items you've placed a tag of $10k + on. The rifles certainly don't account for half of that.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am really curious to see what other equipment is making up the difference in value on this lot of items you've placed a tag of $10k + on. The rifles certainly don't account for half of that. </div></div>

coctailer probably won't disclose all the details. He buys and sells all the cool toys to/from legitimate customers:

http://www.ortweinintl.com

He's a good guy to do business with.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is what I'm seeing- It appears to me there are four remingtons... which are included in the "$10k-$12k" worth of equipment. You keep making it sound like the vast majority of that will not be available if these four rifles are not included in the sale/trade. There is a HUGE problem here. Four beat-up LE remingtons in McMillan stocks do not come to even half of $10k in value.

I think you said they were from 96 or so... making them 16 years old. Unless they are M24's, they will not have a value of more than $1k each- I don't care what stock they have on them. So if we go at the low end, one could deduct from this that there should be $6k-$8k in excess equipment that can be sold off.

If these guns are truly shot out (yeah right), then the most logical step would be to have them rebarred by a reputable smith and dropped into a chassis system. With LE pricing on an AICS 1.5 and the typical cost for rebarrel and truing, you should easily be able to have these guns rebuilt with top notch barrels, better than new for $1500 each, and that may very well include a one color cerakote and timney trigger depending on the deals you may be able to work out.

That is simply the most intelligent route to go on these. Keep in mind- I was pretty generous giving these a value of $1k each. If these are 700P/PSS rifles in McMillan stocks from 96, they are more likely to be worth about $800 +/- $100 depending on condition. By rebuilding these and dropping them into AICS, that leaves you with 4 stocks you should be able to sell off for a couple hundred each, further off-setting your costs. There should be no reason why this can't be done with some funds left-over for additional ammunition.

I am really curious to see what other equipment is making up the difference in value on this lot of items you've placed a tag of $10k + on. The rifles certainly don't account for half of that. </div></div>

DP425, good adivce, other than getting AE's, that is a great option depending on how long it takes the smith to get the work done.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

I would go with ai ae mk3s like said before. Call around and find the LE pricing. When I was shopping the standard 24 or 20 inch with no break no folder was 3300. That's the non LE price range.

If the department will not give you the funds start in with the service life. Let them know that with one person who gets certified armor you can swap barrels in house in less than 20 minutes. This will save down time and money.

If they still will not budge have the guys through a car wash or BBQ in the community to fund it.

I would wait until AI starts shipping the new skins so you can get the pistol grip stocks that should fit a larger number of people. Some people love or hate the thumb hole.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Napsters</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would go with ai ae mk3s like said before. Call around and find the LE pricing. When I was shopping the standard 24 or 20 inch with no break no folder was 3300. That's the non LE price range.

If the department will not give you the funds start in with the service life. Let them know that with one person who gets certified armor you can swap barrels in house in less than 20 minutes. This will save down time and money.

If they still will not budge have the guys through a car wash or BBQ in the community to fund it.

I would wait until AI starts shipping the new skins so you can get the pistol grip stocks that should fit a larger number of people. Some people love or hate the thumb hole.</div></div>

One officer recommended a bake sale.
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I'm hoping to meet with the team tomorrow afternoon.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UncleBenji</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never understood why PD's insist on using traditional bolt action long range rifles for their "snipers" when the typical distance of a shoot is 70 yds for PD's. My personal opinion would be to rethink the approach to the gear you have, because Remington's from 1996 are in perfect working order. Perhaps they just need a going through and clean up, but there's no reason to buy new Remingtons that have the exact same actions, or AE MkIII's that serve no additional strength for a PD, or even an FN which is just a fancy Winchester 70. Again, all great guns, but not try advantage over each other when considering the typical 70yd shot that a PD sniper takes.

Furthermore, the biggest role that a PD sniper takes is to observe and report. And if a shooting does occur, then there needs to be a good ability for a fast follow up shot. This being said, I think you should also be considering an AR10 style platform with quality optics that provide a clear and wide field of view for the shooter. AR's are incredibly reliable now days, they're cheap, and you can pair them with a suppressor for urban use. Then you might want to consider something like a S&B short dot or USO SN 1.8-10 - something that give's you a large FOV while allowing you to respond to larger magnification needs.

That's my 2 cents, and that's what I would personally want if I was in an urban sniper position in a city where long distance shooting likely wouldn't take place. </div></div>



i dont know if i would want a swat sniper with a 1-4 power rattling off a bunch of rounds at a suspect. gotta think of what happens to the shots fired that dont hit their mark. i think a single well placed shot is more effective. or why not give all the officers a 1-4 on an AR and let them shoot the bad guy. whole point of an operator is one shot one kill and to observe and report. in the area that i live in there has been two incidents where guys with high power scoped hunting rifles we in a middle of a field shooting at cops, one of the cops is one of my best friends. he said he felt pretty helpless with his lil eotech when the guy was 100+ yards low light conditions and possibly being in the cross hairs of the guys 30-06 etc etc. i think there is a place for PD snipers and i also think they need to train according to their surroundings. we can drive 20 minutes any way and hit a country road. they should train for situations like the one stated above. not just shooting across the street into a window with a bad guy inside threatning to cut his wrists. anyways thats my .02
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coctailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am looking for 4 sniper rifles for a mid-sized urban PD.

The budget is $10,000-$12,000. Of course would like to stay on the lower end of the budget.

Price is for rifles only. No optics, bipods, drag bags, accessories.

non negotiable must haves:
1-Bolt action
2-.308 caliber
3- adjustable comb and length of pull.
4- detachable 10- round mags
5- provision to mount NV in front of optics

The snipers are currently using McMillian stocked Remy 700s.

Some have suggested AI rifles, and others suggested Remington USRs. Just tossing out ideas.

Savage was removed from the table because of their dislike of the Accutrigger(Personally I like it)

What does the Hide recommend?
<span style="color: #FF0000">I figured this would be the best place to ask.</span>

TIA </div></div>

Hopefully you've learned by now that this isn't always the case.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Agree with DP425 - it doesn't seem to add up - kinda sounds like a topic for Lars Larson.......

Regardless - there seems to be a disconnect here - doesn't matter if they are trading gear to purchase new rifles or raising taxes - all of it is the taxpayer's money or assets. And my ass if those rifles are 'shot out'.


Good luck
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

You can get a Stiller Tac 30 w/Kreiger barrel for less then 1500. Add a McM of your choice and bottom metal of your choice for 1000. In the end it's going to be mags, ammo and other shit that's gonna hurt.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

None of this makes sense so far...

Savage was ruled out on account if the accutrigger, when all 4 rifles can be outfitted with quality triggers for $500 total...?

Nothing against any of the prior suggestions - SPRs and AIAEs are great. Hell, throw TRG22s into the mix! I'm just saying that none of what we've been told adds up.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of this makes sense so far...

Savage was ruled out on account if the accutrigger, when all 4 rifles can be outfitted with quality triggers for $500 total...?

Nothing against any of the prior suggestions - SPRs and AIAEs are great. Hell, throw TRG22s into the mix! I'm just saying that none of what we've been told adds up. </div></div>

+1
Seems to be some disconnects between expectations and reality, along with reasoning that, like above... doesn't seem to follow logic.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

From the sounds of the OP, I'm speculating that they're trading certain other additional gear in <span style="font-weight: bold">conjunction</span> with the four rifle systems. Whether it would be best to maximize their value by repairing and training more, or getting newer higher-quality rifles, that's up to them to decide. IANALEO, but it would seem that training budgets and equipment budgets do not always intersect for many agencies. The only ones who would know for sure would be the individuals on that team.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

I think you have to think of this from an ops point of view. You need a servicable rifle with high accuracy, and fast turn around. Obviously custom rifles would not be what I would recommend in field operational use. Being that you have 4 rifles, it would be unacceptable to have a single rifle down for any amount of time (thats 25 percent of your fire power).

AI rifles have the advantage of self service while retaining zero. They are reliable and plenty of available bolt on parts. You can order the AI rifle and a couple spare barrells including the tools to swap them. That would at least give you certain levels of availability.

I'm also assuming you already have the optics (plan to reuse), and ammo's are operational expense so you want to get the best you can get from capital budgets.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">None of this makes sense so far...

Savage was ruled out on account if the accutrigger, when all 4 rifles can be outfitted with quality triggers for $500 total...?

Nothing against any of the prior suggestions - SPRs and AIAEs are great. Hell, throw TRG22s into the mix! I'm just saying that none of what we've been told adds up. </div></div>

+1
Seems to be some disconnects between expectations and reality, along with reasoning that, like above... doesn't seem to follow logic.</div></div>

What arent you understanding?
They have $10-$12,000 worth of stuff. They want to trade that stuff for rifles.

I got a quote on AI AE MKIII rifles for a little over $13,000. I might be able to make that work.

I do know their current rifles are worth about $800ea. I wasnt trying to suggest their old Remys were worth $10,000.
 
Re: RFI....4 Sniper Rifles for $10,000

Thanks for the input everyone.

I'll be getting a couple more quotes, and taking the numbers over on:

AI AE MKIII
FNH SPR 75540

I will also ask if they want to try the rebuild route again.
 
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