Suppressors 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input? (Updated with short review)

[bmk]

Hello all,

I've finally decided to pull the trigger on some suppressors after much research and deliberation. I'll be ordering them within the next few weeks. I would like to know what you think of each of my choices for the roles described.

1. TBAC 30BA - This will be pretty much full time on my 5R 300 win mag. I like this can because I followed Zak Smith a lot on ar15.com, and often referenced his posts in my AR builds. Also, I emailed the company a question and Ray at TBAC emailed me back the same day. My primary concern with this weapon system is accuracy, and I think accuracy is what the TBAC crew had as their first priority as well. I thought about the YHM 7.62 Ti, but the TBAC gives me more confidence that my gun is going to stay a 1/2 moa rifle with the suppressor on.

2. AAC Tirant - This will be dedicated to my fnp tactical. I bought that gun earlier this year as a suppressor ready 45 host. It seems to me that the Tirant is the best 45 suppressor going right now. I've considered the Osprey, and it seems nice on paper, but I don't care for the looks or design.

3. SWR Spectre - This can will go on a 22 pistol, the make and model of which hasn't been determined yet. Probably a 22/45, but perhaps a Smith and Wesson 422. I really like that this can has a low FRP, and can handle my 22 mag or a 5.7 if I decide to get one in the future.

4. YHM 5.56 SS QD - This can will go on my SPRish and M4ish rifles. I am most concerned about accuracy, as the SPR gets strected out to 600 quite fequently. I haven't heard anything bad about this can's effect on accuracy. I also run my AR's hard sometimes, so I ruled out Ti. This can seems to have middle of the road suppression, and is rated for full auto fire. I thought about going with the AAC SPR M4, and I'm still considering it, but I wonder if the increased cost is worth it and the fact that they don't include the mount with the can seems....inconsiderate.

OK, have at it. What other options should I consider, are any of my choices crazy, etc?

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Most of those cans are good to go. But on the SPRish build, get the Ops Inc 12th. And if you want to use it on other M4 style rifles, get the 16th, which is basically the 12th stack with a shorter mounting setup for the M4s, M4M, 14th, and 15th.

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Thanks for the reply, I was just looking at the ops inc cans this morning. They need an updated website in the worst way, I can't make heads or tails of how the different models mount up. What do I need to do if I want an ops can on both rifles, and my 16 inch doesn't have a profile cut into it?

 

[Elnino31]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Check out ADCO's website for more info about the Ops cans and the collar and brake for the barrel. They're solid cans that have good sound reduction and minimal shift.

No experience with a YHM, but most ppl are happy with the AAC.

Outside of the looks, I like the fact that you can get different mounts for the Osprey for different calibers. By all accounts the 45 can still provides good suppression on the 9mm.

BTW... hell of a pill to swallow getting all those at once.

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Yes it is a hell of a pill, but I can afford it and I figure go big or go home, especially before I get married and my money becomes our money.

Keep the posts coming, the 5.56 suppressor is the one I'm most unsure of.

 

[WileyG]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Personally I wouldn't get a dedicated 5.56 can. I'd get a .30cal and have LOTS more flexibility and it would suppress the 5.56 very well to boot....and it would be an Ops Inc can

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

I want dedicated stuff for each weapon, and the 30 BA will give me some flexibility down the road if I decided to do a 300 BLK or a 260.

I've been trying and trying to research the Ops Inc stuff, but cannot find an answer to my question.

Can I use an integrated mount and collar on the Ops Inc 16th model? Something like the AAC SPR? The answer to this question will make my decision much less difficult.

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

What do you mean by integrated mount and collar?

The 16th and all the other 556 suppressors(except for the 12th) uses the same mounting setup. Basically if the barrel you are using has the M4 cut (the small cut about 1" below the muzzle) the Ops Inc mount will work.

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

It's hard to explain, take a look at the AAC spr model, where the mount itself extends back over the barrel. Is something like this available for the ops inc? If not, I think I'll pass. I'm hundreds of miles from a competent gunsmith, so having barrels reprofiled is a big pita for me.

 

[JustaPhule]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

I just got my stamp for my YHM 5.56 SS QD can late last week. Good suppression, easy to clean, and it balances well on my set-up (11" barrel, Sully stock). The QD mount will allow me to mount the 762 Phantom in case that is what I have with me. The SS version might make your weapon front heavy if you have a long barrel. i have no experience, hence no opinion, of the other cans.

JustaPhule

 

[Bacarrat]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bmk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's hard to explain, take a look at the AAC spr model, where the mount itself extends back over the barrel. Is something like this available for the ops inc? If not, I think I'll pass. I'm hundreds of miles from a competent gunsmith, so having barrels reprofiled is a big pita for me. </div></div>

I believe Ron does make such a mount

What type of barrel do you have now?

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Any ideas other than ops inc? Anyone have anything to say about the yhm?

 

[WileyG]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Ron at Ops is very easy to talk to and will go above and beyond to answer your questions. Give him a call and he'll tell you what he can do even if he has to make it just for you

 

[Doug S]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

The Spectre is a kick as scan but heavy as compared to some of the others out there.
I leave my Spectre on my rifle all the time and use the ultra light AAC Prodigy for my pistols.
If I were to choose only one for 22lr, it would be the Prodigy.
If I were to choose just one for multi caliber, it would be the Spectre.
Hell, they are cheap, get both.

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

The prodigy was actually the first 22 can I started looking at. In researching it, I found many people claimed AAC had a lot of problems with it.

The problems had to do with the AAC Prodigy causing bullets to tumble or key hole. It was enough for me to look elsewhere for the 22 can. I really want to have some caliber flexibility, since I am a huge huge fan of the 22 mag and FN 5.7mm rounds.

 

[PGG]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

I have the SWR Spectre very nice quite can best of my .22's
I also got to shoot a Liberty Ti .22 the other day it weighted half as much or seemed that much lighter and was the same sound wise. Great can and great people from what I have heard.

I also have a Steel YHM 556 can its heavy but works well very good value choice. PG

 

[bmk]

Re: 30 BA, TiRant, Spectre, YHM 5.56, input?

Well if anyone has anything to say about my choices, it's too late. I added a yhm 7.62 ti and an additional spectre and laid out 5795 to my dealer. They honked me pretty good on the prices, but Nebraska has few class 3 dealers. The wait begins.

 

[bmk]

Just wanted to update my old suppressor thread. All of the cans have arrived at the dealer. I finished setting up a trust for myself and a neighbor out on the farm.

What's the word on wait times for the examiner assigned to Nebraska?

 

[Douglas-001]

My money becomes our money...........funny......but good thinkin!

 

[bmk]

Another update for the old suppressor thread. I'd been calling the ATF, but none of my stuff was in the system. I tried to forget about it awhile, and didn't check for a few months. Yesterday, I learned my stuff went pending June 27th. The bad news is that wait times have gotten flat out crazy, now my research suggests 9 months from pending to approval.

 

[skinney_7]

I figure go big or go home,

Love it, I can relate... running all the suppressors you named in the field hunting "hard" (except) the Spectre, I can say you will be very VERY pleased with your decisions.

 

[K_4c]

Just wanted to update my old suppressor thread. All of the cans have arrived at the dealer. I finished setting up a trust for myself and a neighbor out on the farm.

What's the word on wait times for the examiner assigned to Nebraska?

My wait lasted 7 months... It was worth it (30-BA on my .260 rem and .308, no issues to date).

 

[bmk]

Tbac 30 ba

I picked up all of my cans a few days ago, and have had a chance to shoot all of them. Here are my initial thoughts:

TBAC 30 BA - I screwed this one on my MEGA MaTen in 260 Rem. This gun has a 20" Lilja barrel and was an absolute tack driver unsuppressed. I put the TBAC on there with the Armagedon Gear suppressor cover and it is still an absolute hammer. I can't explain it, but the TBAC even seemed to shrink my groups a little. Unsuppressed, I would say this gun was 1/4 to 1/2 moa out to 400 yards. Suppressed with the TBAC, it seems to be a more consistent 1/4 moa gun. I would liken it to having a stabilizer on a compound bow, it seemed to make follow through easier and more consistent. Also, the suppressor cover is nice. I shot through 30 or so rounds yesterday in 20 degree temps and mirage was not a problem whatsoever.

The change in zero with the suppressor on was exactly 4 moa (straight down), and was consistent after removing and reinstalling the can. The precision of the mouting system is very impressive. The can threads on nicely, locks up like a bank vault when fully tightened, and then removes very nicely. I'm really looking forward to trying this can on my 300 win.

There was a mixup somewhere between my dealer and TBAC regarding the brake that was (or should have been) included with the suppressor, but I'm confident that will be cleared up as both TBAC and my dealer have been great to work with so far.

 

[bmk]

AAC TiRant 45

I screwed this one on my FN 45 Tactical. In terms of sound, it is hard to explain just how impressive this can is on 45 acp +P ammo. Shooting it dry, the sound was pleasant. Shooting it wet resulted in outright laughter and smiles. This can on a full power 45 is very very quiet. The impact change has been a little bit of a pain, as the suppressor can be tuned and adjusted, but I haven't found the adjustment that will shoot to the same POA as unsuppressed. I ran out of ammo before I ran out of adjustment, so there is still hope.

 

[Zak Smith]

Hey bmk,

Glad to hear your rifle is more accurate with the can on!

If you got the wrong brake we can swap it out no problem; if you need any help just shoot me an email or give me a call

thanks
Zak

 

[bmk]

Yhm 5.56 ss qd

I put this can on my 18" ar15. It's an SPRish clone rifle with a WOA barrel. This gun typically gives me 3/4 to 1 moa unsuppressed and is my main coyote/prarie dog/everything else rifle. This gun is like an old friend and has a lot of kills under its belt.

The YHM mounting system is awesome. It is a simple, no fuss design, it seems to work very well. The can screws on tight, and there is not even a hint of wobble once it's on. I put it on 3 different ar's, and it was perfect on each of them. Again, after shooting several groups, it seemed like the suppressor made the rifle (or shooter) more accurate. My 5 round groups were just a little bit smaller than they normally are. It seemed like with the can on, I was closer to 1/2 to 3/4 moa, which is darn good for this rifle and load.

The adjustment to zero was exactly 2 moa, straight down, and was repeatable. Interestingly, on my 11.5 SBR, there was not a noticeable effect on the zero.

This is a relatively heavy can, because it is stainless and not Ti. It feels really nice on my 11.5 gun, and isn't bad on my 16 and 18" guns, but I wouldn't go any longer than 18 or 20" barrel with this can. I'm very pleased with this can, as my main concern was it's effect on accuracy. My 18" gun is a little over gassed with the can on, so I will have to address that issue at some point. The gun has seen about 5K rounds, so I'll probably shoot this barrel out and address the gas system with a barrel and block change.

A quick thought regarding the mount:

I've seen on this board, a post with pictures of the YHM mounting system wherein the poster claimed the mount was out of spec and was causing him accuracy issues. It should be noted that the locking teeth on the mount are designed to rotate back and forth approx 1/8 of a turn. If you screw the can tight, and the teeth are not engaged, you can and should rotate the collar on the mount clockwise (as you are looking at the back of the suppressor) to get the teeth to engage.

 

[bmk]

SWR Spectre II

I put this can on a Ruger 22/45 lite, and a 10/22 with a threaded barrel. CCI subsonics through the 22/45 sounded awesome. It was almost Hollywood quiet, and ran great. CCI stingers were noticeably louder (as expected), but still sounded really good through the 22/45.

On the 10/22, the suppressor was a disappointment. We ran some Winchester 36 grain hollow point ammo, that must have been supersonic through the rifle. It actually sounded very similar to the rifle with no suppressor at all. We didn't have any subsonics to try through the rifle.

I don't have to tell you guys about the shortage of 22 ammo. We'll do some more shooting with the rifle and with the Spectre II overall once 22 ammo becomes available again.

 

[bmk]

Hey bmk,

Glad to hear your rifle is more accurate with the can on!

If you got the wrong brake we can swap it out no problem; if you need any help just shoot me an email or give me a call

thanks
Zak

Zak,

Thank you very much for the offer. RayDog is already on the case. Basically, I didn't get a brake with my can. It sounds like it either didn't get sent, or that it got sent, and my dealer misplaced it. I have no clue which, but have instructed the dealer to give their shop a good looking through on the chance that the brake is there. RayDog indicated that the 5/8 brake (which is correct) shipped to my dealer seperately from the can. I'm sure it will get sorted out. I'm just damn glad that I had ordered an additional brake and had it shipped to my home when I built my .260. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been able to shoot this awesome can you guys made.

You guys at TBAC are awesome. I appreciate your timely responses to my questions via email and here on the boards. Also, I like the fact that you guys particapate on these boards. It's evident to me that you all know your stuff.

 

[bmk]

Another quick update:

TBAC totally stepped up with regards to the missing muzzle break, even though it was not clear who was at fault. That's huge customer service in my book.

Also, I took the can out for another trip on my Ma-Ten .260 on Sunday and ripped through about 80 rounds. The verdict is that this can is drop dead accurate and the mirage cover works like a champ. I maight buy another can, just as an excuse to give these guys some more business.

 

[wfjames22]

On the 10/22, the suppressor was a disappointment. We ran some Winchester 36 grain hollow point ammo, that must have been supersonic through the rifle. It actually sounded very similar to the rifle with no suppressor at all. We didn't have any subsonics to try through the rifle.

Get your hands on some subsonic or standard velocity ammo and you will be pleasantly surprised with the result.